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It will never leave for some

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It will never leave for some

It feels like the virus is ravaging those who clutch it the closest. It's interesting to slowly see that sentiment dwindle. It just took a fucking once in a lifetime pandemic to steal the sparkle in their ignorant eyes.
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https://twitter.com/BernForBernie20/status/1243645081871167490

How is Bidet the "Frontrunner?" Like, seriously: Why is the DNC showing obvious elder abuse live on TV?

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because people voted for him since they recognized his name also remember obummer

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1243945092244631552

"Captain, these people need help! Let's go!"

"We can't Private"

"Why not sir?"

"We can't leave son, not until the President has told CNN they suck"

"Ok sir."
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It means Trump has been watching "Escape from New York"

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The former is part of your basic human right to liberty. The latter isn’t definable in any coherent way as any kind of right;
there are rights to life, no? I’m not seeing how we cant wrap up a right to life with someone’s right to choose how their life goes. if they die prematurely by something preventable, we’d have failed in securing their right to choose how their life goes. im also not seeing how this is answering mandark’s anticipation. without any (state-coerced) wealth transfers, most people’s ‘choices’ reduce to choosing to starve or choosing to become a vector. and youre saying this right to choose is so valuable it’s inviolable?

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You don’t have a right against disease any more than you have a right against tornados.
the state has no right to secure the lives and livelihoods of its people during a preventable disaster? what makes this different from an invading foreign army?

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In most circumstances there’s certainly no malice or even negligence involved in just going about your daily routine
if your daily routine is indirectly causing other people to die or suffer, that would be negligent. a public health crisis isn’t most circumstances.

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Trump using his mind control powers on unsuspecting public servants  :brain

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1243927133594030088
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The former is part of your basic human right to liberty. The latter isn’t definable in any coherent way as any kind of right;
there are rights to life, no? I’m not seeing how we cant wrap up a right to life with someone’s right to choose how their life goes. if they die prematurely by something preventable, we’d have failed in securing their right to choose how their life goes. im also not seeing how this is answering mandark’s anticipation. without any (state-coerced) wealth transfers, most people’s ‘choices’ reduce to choosing to starve or choosing to become a vector. and youre saying this right to choose is so valuable it’s inviolable?

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You don’t have a right against disease any more than you have a right against tornados.
the state has no right to secure the lives and livelihoods of its people during a preventable disaster? what makes this different from an invading foreign army?

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In most circumstances there’s certainly no malice or even negligence involved in just going about your daily routine
if your daily routine is indirectly causing other people to die or suffer, that would be negligent. a public health crisis isn’t most circumstances.

Very curious what Jaydubs opinion is on whether or not it should be a crime to knowingly spread HIV. It’s eiryher horrifying or contradictory to his views on quarantines.

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New York delayed their primary because they know bernie would win
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because people voted for him since they recognized his name also remember obummer

It was a rhetorical question, Nacho. I know, and it makes me extremely angry.

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I mean, prove to me that people have a right to life

They exist because they do.
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I mean, prove to me that people have a right to life
it’s just a way of talking about what people owe to each other. you dont need to call them ‘rights’ and you dont need to think we ‘have’ them in some strong sense like the way we ‘have’ pet rocks and shit. if you think things can go better or worse for people and if you also think people owe each other anything based off of how things can go better or worse for them and you also also think that those things can justifiably be secured through the use of government, thats all you need to get off the ground here.

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the state has no right to secure the lives and livelihoods of its people during a preventable disaster?
You got it, buddy. States don't have rights. :karen







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Jay D's right to live ends where my right to kill starts

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A lot of American libertarians blend the Declaration and Constitution into their base theory while trying to make it consistent across the board. Ron Paul is rather unique in his constitutionalism being a clear first priority, he actually used to explain this back in the day that he thought the Constitution was as close to a libertarian state as we're going to get realistically, but over the years he lost interest in the libertarian ideological battles so rarely explained it that way.

I'm a bit of an anarcho-constitutionalist myself so I'm probably quite sympathetic to that view. I just know that my theory and that stance doesn't blend, it's accepting obvious assumptions, and I do things like blatant readings of it towards libertarian ends like how I consider the mandate for a Republican form of government in the states as sufficient to outlaw slavery and the limitation of voting rights.

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a peculiar understanding of rights
yeah, i felt like editing my post to add this. it’s common enough to see normal people getting bogged down in second-order (really, third-order) questions of fucking morals, how do they work? when the more you read, the more apparent it becomes that any metaethical position can churn out (basically) any normative program you want with enough fineigling. the careful writers dont even bother with the former and life goes on in those literatures as if their relation to each other was an ancillary concern. except the natural rights crowd. even for the academic ones, its life-death significant to ground their close-to-the-ground positions in first principles of the most basic level of abstraction. which is cool because its weird and different, but then it becomes clear that the self styled champions are really just back-forming their reactionary conclusions from ostensibly respectable first principles.

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’natural law’ was, more than anything, just the common idiom in which talk about morals and politics was couched in the 17th/18th centuries. the substantive claim that all of those people shared was limited to a commitment about there being a providentially instituted normative order to everything, in analogy to the divinely created order of matter. so, for people, ‘morality’, or whatever, was discovered rather than created, given rather than constructed. they differed wildly over how exactly to cash out this naturalism, so when you see someone waxing nostalgic about some unitary “natural law tradition”, it’s probably horseshit. the seedbed for an alternative approach was already being laid during the same timeframe, and you can see something like a full fledged moral constructivism being staked out around the turn of the 19th century. but thise guys still used the idiom of ‘natural law’, which shows how confused the whole thing is.
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Remember that time he went to France and was all "this is epic, this is the best thing ever" and then they threw him in prison for being against The Revolution and then he didn't get executed because his door was left open.

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Herman Melville destroys right libertarianism

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So strongly and metaphysically did I conceive of my situation then, that while earnestly watching his motions, I seemed distinctly to perceive that my own individuality was now merged in a joint stock company of two; that my free will had received a mortal wound; and that another’s mistake or misfortune might plunge innocent me into unmerited disaster and death. Therefore, I saw that here was a sort of interregnum in Providence; for its even-handed equity never could have so gross an injustice. And yet still further pondering- while I jerked him now and then from between the whale and ship, which would threaten to jam him- still further pondering, I say, I saw that this situation of mine was the precise situation of every mortal that breathes; only, in most cases, he, one way or other, has this Siamese connexion with a plurality of other mortals. If your banker breaks, you snap; if your apothecary by mistake sends you poison in your pills, you die. True, you may say that, by exceeding caution, you may possibly escape these and the multitudinous other evil chances of life. But handle Queequeg’s monkey-rope heedfully as I would, sometimes he jerked it so, that I came very near sliding overboard. Nor could I possibly forget that, do what I would, I only had the management of one end of it.

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https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266622346671058944

How does it keep happening?
At this point we should all hurry and use his Twitter feed to predict future events and prevent them from happening  :shaking
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1244112969027420161

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#NeverTrump-ers getting their surrogate via Elder Abuse. At least we know which side THEIR butter is spread on. (The same one that the Demoncraps are buttered on)


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https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1244218018177208321

I'm sorry Peter, you guys just can't stump the Trump because you keep shooting yourselves in the dick  8)
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Herman Melville destroys right libertarianism

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So strongly and metaphysically did I conceive of my situation then, that while earnestly watching his motions, I seemed distinctly to perceive that my own individuality was now merged in a joint stock company of two; that my free will had received a mortal wound; and that another’s mistake or misfortune might plunge innocent me into unmerited disaster and death. Therefore, I saw that here was a sort of interregnum in Providence; for its even-handed equity never could have so gross an injustice. And yet still further pondering- while I jerked him now and then from between the whale and ship, which would threaten to jam him- still further pondering, I say, I saw that this situation of mine was the precise situation of every mortal that breathes; only, in most cases, he, one way or other, has this Siamese connexion with a plurality of other mortals. If your banker breaks, you snap; if your apothecary by mistake sends you poison in your pills, you die. True, you may say that, by exceeding caution, you may possibly escape these and the multitudinous other evil chances of life. But handle Queequeg’s monkey-rope heedfully as I would, sometimes he jerked it so, that I came very near sliding overboard. Nor could I possibly forget that, do what I would, I only had the management of one end of it.

Funny, as I’m about to jerk my monkey rope.

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Man I wouldn't want to be a poll analyst because this 2020 election is a total toss up, all the more with the pandemic.

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j/k they'll spin their wheels over half a dozen of narratives to cover their ass and increase their own productivity.
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Posting a nearly hour long episode of Meet the Press with no timestamp and no commentary is peak Tripon.

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If you mean have something playing in the background while I do something else, sure.

I'm just more surprised that NBC continues to release the entire ep. Usually only CBS does it with Face the Nation. I do listen to the Sunday shows as you said to hear what the established media tries to say just so I don't go too far in some sort of media bubble.



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Nintex

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The media played themselves by complaining about the lack of pressers.
Even after the virus you will now get your daily Trump show  :lol
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I just noticed "Numbers are continuing to rise" :mods

Yes, fuckwit, exponentially
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The victory over the CHINESE VIRUS speech months from now is going to be lit.

Bush landed on an aircraft carrier, so I expect at least that.  :lol
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The victory over the CHINESE VIRUS speech months from now is going to be lit.

Bush landed on an aircraft carrier, so I expect at least that.  :lol

he will land an aircraft carrier.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244338645198352386

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Hopefully my fellow British tax payers realise that we shouldn’t be funding any part of the royal family, who are are essentially a fancy version of the kardashians

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https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldDrumpf/status/266622346671058944

How does it keep happening?
Cause dude is more terminally online than all of us combined.
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1244112969027420161

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#NeverTrump-ers getting their surrogate via Elder Abuse. At least we know which side THEIR butter is spread on. (The same one that the Demoncraps are buttered on)


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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244338645198352386

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:bernie

Hopefully my fellow British tax payers realise that we shouldn’t be funding any part of the royal family, who are are essentially a fancy version of the kardashians

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At least Harry got out due to Meghan. Now if Canada didn't have to foot the bill, they weren't hassled because he used to be a prince/etc. that'd be one of them realizing they're just fucking normal like the rest of us.



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The victory over the CHINESE VIRUS speech months from now is going to be lit.

Bush landed on an aircraft carrier, so I expect at least that.  :lol

he will land an aircraft carrier.

on the "bright" "side" of all this shit I hope he views this as his war that he's winning so he doesn't start an actual war with another country

be satisfied with dealing with this event and quietly fuck off
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