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« Reply #1380 on: December 21, 2016, 07:46:09 PM »
Will donate to her campaign just to annoy etoilet

If you do this, you must also promise to play her game Revolution 60.


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« Reply #1381 on: December 21, 2016, 08:20:34 PM »
Will donate to her campaign just to annoy etoilet

Play her game pls, and follow her in Twitter. I want to know what will you quit first.

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« Reply #1382 on: December 21, 2016, 08:23:17 PM »
My favorite time of the month is checking in on the conservative utopia of Kansas

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Topeka — Kansas lost 3,200 private sector jobs in November, the Kansas Department of Labor said Friday.

It was the fourth negative jobs report in the last six months, bringing the state’s total private-sector job losses over the last year to 4,500. Those losses have come during a period when overall national employment has been rising, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2016/dec/16/kansas-reports-job-losses-november/

Surely the conservatives are waking up


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The operative words here are "seasonally adjusted" and "estimated".

The Liberal government economist guessed there were loses even though there were jobs added.

FULL STEAM AHEAD BOYS, FULL YEARS OF THIS GARBAGE

Ah well, hows our boy Rick Scott doing?

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Florida's unemployment rate continued to tick upward in November, reaching 4.9 percent, according to figures released Friday by the Florida Department of Economic Opportunity. In a rare instance, the national rate outpaced the state at 4.6 percent.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/floridas-unemployment-rate-climbs-to-49-percent/2306548

Whoopsie.

How do we spin this...

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The "Real" rate of about 15% (Obama does not count long term unemployed in his figures) is going to go down once Trump gets our jobs back.

Hows our Man Rick Snyder doing

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Michigan’s unemployment rate increased for the third time in three months in November to 4.9%, the Michigan Department of Technology, Management & Budget announced today.

That means that Michigan's seasonally adjusted rate is above the national rate at 4.6% by three-tenths of a percentage point, state officials said. November marked the first month in 2016 that Michigan’s jobless rate was above the national rate.
http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/michigan/2016/12/14/michigan-unemployment-rate-rises-third-month/95432402/

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Surprised it got so low considering negative job growth nationally for the past few years.


Surely the dirty liberals are doing worse

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The Bay State’s unemployment rate dropped to 2.9 percent in November, marking the first time it has dipped below 3 percent since the beginning of the century.
http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2016/12/15/massachusetts-jobless-rate-falls-below-3-percent.html

2.9 fucking percent. Thats obscene.


This county is so fucked. Obama needs to sign an executive order banning AM radio. It is poisoning minds
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« Reply #1383 on: December 21, 2016, 09:36:21 PM »
People back east still think California is still in a budget crisis.  That was over and done with 5 years ago.  They just accept whatever they hear from radio pundits.

For that matter, there are people who still think there's an energy crisis in CA and that rolling blackouts are still a thing.  Enron era stuff. 

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« Reply #1384 on: December 21, 2016, 10:56:47 PM »
Whatever bullshit rule that was that Reagan repealed, where coverage had to be balance, is that really what's at the core of all this?

Samson Manhug, I started listening to the Foreign Policy Editor's Room podcast, and I'm crushingly depressed. Does the podcast subscription come with antidepressants in the USA?

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« Reply #1385 on: December 22, 2016, 06:57:21 AM »
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-year-in-ted-cruz-humiliations-1790297470

 :aah

I thought that time Ted Cruz answered Rubio back in Spanish after being accused of not speaking Spanish was pretty BA. Bruh, his last name is Cruz and he is from Texas. That was a bad gamble.

Is there any chance that it was a set up? Like Justin Trudeau's quantum computing question a few months ago?

I think it was set up in the fact that Cruz was baiting him by talking about what he said in Spanish language TV, hoping Rubio would say, "how do you know?" The media really didn't give it much attention though and that site linked above was actually making fun of him for being awkward.

Whatever bullshit rule that was that Reagan repealed, where coverage had to be balance, is that really what's at the core of all this?

Samson Manhug, I started listening to the Foreign Policy Editor's Room podcast, and I'm crushingly depressed. Does the podcast subscription come with antidepressants in the USA?

Haha, those guys hate everything. I think in general IR wonks default mode is criticism, but Rothkopf gives no fucks because he thinks no one listens to podcasts. Next week is a positive recap of 2016 so enjoyit while it lasts.

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« Reply #1386 on: December 22, 2016, 09:16:14 AM »
Humanity is funny. Every time there is a major change in politics, there are a rash of young people that 'self-sabotage' in order to make political hay.

A few of those 'hate crimes' that came out in the wake of Trump's election were proven to be false. Just like a rash of them that came to light in the wake of Obama's election (remember that silly girl that carved a B in her cheek?).

https://apnews.com/4e14f73be8df4caf90643cd2d757054c/Arrest-in-'Vote-Trump'-burning-of-Mississippi-black-church

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« Reply #1387 on: December 22, 2016, 10:08:12 AM »
Trump, Netanyahu urge Obama to veto U.N. resolution on settlements

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-un-idUSKBN14B033?il=0

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This puts Israel in a very poor negotiating position

:lol
At this point the mere existence of Palestinians is already too strong a negociation hand.

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Some legislators in his right-wing Likud party have already suggested Israel declare sovereignty over the West Bank if the United States does not veto the resolution.


Pretty sure Obama will let people down one last time but who knows ?
If the text is fairly worded, he should let it pass.

EDIT : Vote has been postponed by the UN Egypt mission (who introduced it) to maybe never.
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« Reply #1388 on: December 22, 2016, 10:14:45 AM »
Whatever bullshit rule that was that Reagan repealed, where coverage had to be balance, is that really what's at the core of all this?

Samson Manhug, I started listening to the Foreign Policy Editor's Room podcast, and I'm crushingly depressed. Does the podcast subscription come with antidepressants in the USA?

Haha, those guys hate everything. I think in general IR wonks default mode is criticism, but Rothkopf gives no fucks because he thinks no one listens to podcasts. Next week is a positive recap of 2016 so enjoyit while it lasts.

Yeah, they mentioned that. They say it will be their shortest episode ever.  :lol

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« Reply #1389 on: December 22, 2016, 10:38:52 AM »
wrong thread
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« Reply #1390 on: December 22, 2016, 01:33:09 PM »
Ivanka is a false flag
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« Reply #1391 on: December 22, 2016, 01:39:14 PM »
Trump now talking about expanding nuclear capabilities until "the world comes to its senses"...
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« Reply #1392 on: December 22, 2016, 02:01:34 PM »
jfc
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« Reply #1393 on: December 22, 2016, 02:15:40 PM »
Guys...we're all gonna die in the irradiated fires of nuclear war, aren't we?
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« Reply #1394 on: December 22, 2016, 02:21:46 PM »
You guys loved mad max so much

Well here ya go
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« Reply #1395 on: December 22, 2016, 02:36:57 PM »
If we're being charitable, like Mother Teresa level of that, he's not wrong that our existing launch sites and silos are in fact of desperate need of upgrading. They're for the most part, literally running on Cold War era tech. We have many redundancies (and enough nukes to kill the planet twenty times over) that can be safely eliminated and made more efficient. But on the other hand...

just no, fucking please no! For the love of shit please no!

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« Reply #1396 on: December 22, 2016, 03:02:04 PM »
Spend trillions on weapons that will never be used, brehs.
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« Reply #1397 on: December 22, 2016, 03:06:33 PM »
Spend trillions on weapons that will never be used, brehs.

Insurances work the same way. Now you won't like the scenario where they're needed and trillions weren't spent, lol.

Will donate to her campaign just to annoy etoilet

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« Reply #1398 on: December 22, 2016, 03:16:50 PM »
Spend trillions on weapons that will never be used, brehs.

Insurances work the same way. Now you won't like the scenario where they're needed and trillions weren't spent, lol.

Any nation that effectively nukes the US into submission would still be killing themselves.
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« Reply #1399 on: December 22, 2016, 04:44:55 PM »
Spend trillions on weapons that will never be used, brehs.

Isn't that the point of deterrents? Not saying we should spend more but I'd imagine we already spend a shit ton on nukes.
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« Reply #1400 on: December 22, 2016, 05:36:20 PM »
Ivanka is a false flag

According to Neogaf, Trump talking stupid about nuclear weapons is the false flag...

We need to go deeper, what the false flag of the false flag hides...

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« Reply #1401 on: December 22, 2016, 05:53:05 PM »
Right, I'll go deeper into Ivanka.
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« Reply #1402 on: December 22, 2016, 06:00:32 PM »
Ivanka is a false flag

According to Neogaf, Trump talking stupid about nuclear weapons is the false flag...

We need to go deeper, what the false flag of the false flag hides...

I'm a bit skeptical of the whole Twitter as a distraction thing, especially as the inauguration draws closer. They're hot takes and signals but so far a lot of his tweets do signify some intent.
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« Reply #1403 on: December 22, 2016, 06:57:23 PM »
Ivanka is a false flag

According to Neogaf, Trump talking stupid about nuclear weapons is the false flag...

We need to go deeper, what the false flag of the false flag hides...

I'm a bit skeptical of the whole Twitter as a distraction thing, especially as the inauguration draws closer. They're hot takes and signals but so far a lot of his tweets do signify some intent.

Right. We think the government is too dumb and inept to pull off a massive conspiracy like the 9/11 holograms or the fake moon landings, but suddenly the left thinks that Trump is cunning enough to tweet idiotic things to distract us from a secret menace.

He just tweets idiotic things all the time. Sure, every now and then one of those will line up with a significant event but broken clocks and all that.

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« Reply #1404 on: December 22, 2016, 07:11:10 PM »
Trump now talking about expanding nuclear capabilities until "the world comes to its senses"...
dat job security :rejoice
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« Reply #1405 on: December 22, 2016, 07:56:53 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/812061677160202240

These aren’t comparable. This is so incredibly frustrating for me. Imagine if he tweeted which platformer is the best of all time: Mario or Call of Duty so you can try to understand what I’m feeling right now.

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« Reply #1406 on: December 22, 2016, 08:13:17 PM »
:lol





Mario obviously. 

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« Reply #1407 on: December 22, 2016, 08:16:30 PM »
:lol





Mario obviously.

Yeah, it's weird that original Half-Life doesn't even get a mention.

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« Reply #1408 on: December 22, 2016, 08:58:30 PM »
I hope Obama flips the drawers in the Oval Office desk and fills them with marbles and glitter before he leaves


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« Reply #1410 on: December 22, 2016, 11:57:27 PM »
So John Bolton's mustache is likely the reason he didn't get the gig for SOS.

Quote from: The Washington Post
As Trump formally announced his vice presidential pick in July, he said that Mike Pence’s economic record as Indiana governor was “the primary reason I wanted Mike, other than he looks very good, other than he’s got an incredible family, incredible wife and family.”

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Trump’s closest aides have come to accept that he is likely to rule out candidates if they are not attractive or not do not match his image of the type of person who should hold a certain job.

“That’s the language he speaks. He’s very aesthetic,” said one person familiar with the transition team’s internal deliberations who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “You can come with somebody who is very much qualified for the job, but if they don’t look the part, they’re not going anywhere.”

Several of Trump’s associates said they thought that John R. Bolton’s brush-like mustache was one of the factors that handicapped the bombastic former United Nations ambassador in the sweepstakes for secretary of state.

“Donald was not going to like that mustache,” said one associate, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak frankly. “I can’t think of anyone that’s really close to Donald that has a beard that he likes.”

I don't know how it can happen, but somehow Jeff Sessions has to be convinced to grow some muttonchops.

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« Reply #1411 on: December 23, 2016, 02:02:40 AM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/812061677160202240

These aren’t comparable. This is so incredibly frustrating for me. Imagine if he tweeted which platformer is the best of all time: Mario or Call of Duty so you can try to understand what I’m feeling right now.

He can still buy some Su35s...
The F35 isn't going anywhere unless he's ready to stiff several allies, Lockheed and all branches of the army.
He wants a big fat rebate to parade.
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« Reply #1412 on: December 23, 2016, 09:00:50 AM »
I hope Obama flips the drawers in the Oval Office desk and fills them with marbles and glitter before he leaves

trump will only be in the Oval Office to get his picture taken. All other business will be done at his DC hotel.
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« Reply #1413 on: December 23, 2016, 09:58:25 AM »
Right. We think the government is too dumb and inept to pull off a massive conspiracy like the 9/11 holograms or the fake moon landings, but suddenly the left thinks that Trump is cunning enough to tweet idiotic things to distract us from a secret menace.



There's a long history of that. They did the same thing with Reagan in the 80's and then Bush in the 00's.  They are dimwitted and slow 98% of the time, but somehow able to play geo-political, 3D Chess when they need them to.

SNL did a great parody of the contradiction years ago:  http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/president-reagan-mastermind/n9509?snl=1

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« Reply #1414 on: December 23, 2016, 10:07:27 AM »
I miss Phil Hartman.
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« Reply #1415 on: December 23, 2016, 11:38:57 AM »
The UN resolution on Israeli settlements is back on track, with four current members of the council (NZ, Malaysia,Venezuela, Senegal) taking the mantle from the aborted Egyptian motion for a vote today. President Obama has been rumored to instruct abstention to his UN representative on this vote. Israeli diplomats are not happy...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-us-idUSKBN14C1MK?il=0

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"The U.S. administration secretly cooked up with the Palestinians an extreme anti-Israeli resolution behind Israel's back which would be a tailwind for terror and boycotts." (...) "President Obama could declare his willingness to veto this resolution in an instant but instead is pushing it. This is an abandonment of Israel which breaks decades of U.S. policy of protecting Israel at the U.N."

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/23/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-arms-race

Scarborough said: “Mica asked the president-elect while we had the opportunity … to clarify the tweet yesterday regarding the nuclear arsenal. And the president-elect told you what?”

“‘Let it be an arms race’,” Brzezinski said. “‘We will outmatch them at every pass.’”

“‘And outlast them all’,” Scarborough added.

“And outlast them all,” Brzezinski repeated, wonderingly.
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« Reply #1416 on: December 23, 2016, 11:51:44 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/23/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-arms-race

Scarborough said: “Mica asked the president-elect while we had the opportunity … to clarify the tweet yesterday regarding the nuclear arsenal. And the president-elect told you what?”

“‘Let it be an arms race’,” Brzezinski said. “‘We will outmatch them at every pass.’”

“‘And outlast them all’,” Scarborough added.

“And outlast them all,” Brzezinski repeated, wonderingly.


Merry Christmas, everybody.
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« Reply #1417 on: December 23, 2016, 11:56:30 AM »
Also it's not clear with who he planned to run this nuclear arms race but heh. Details to be ironed out later.
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« Reply #1418 on: December 23, 2016, 12:00:59 PM »
Iran

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« Reply #1419 on: December 23, 2016, 01:29:08 PM »
Also it's not clear with who he planned to run this nuclear arms race but heh. Details to be ironed out later.

Normally when I play DEFCON I name my country something stupid.
Nothing beats "MY DICK launched a nuclear missile" alert going off.


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« Reply #1420 on: December 23, 2016, 02:07:35 PM »
https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/812105418176659464

Remember when Americans used to be called traitors and have their careers ruined over rumored collusion with the Russians  :doge

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« Reply #1421 on: December 23, 2016, 03:03:40 PM »
The UN resolution regarding Israel's West Bank settlements passed 14-0 [America abstained]:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/passes-resolution-israeli-settlements-161223192709807.html
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« Reply #1422 on: December 23, 2016, 04:34:11 PM »
Sarah Kendzior  :doge

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« Reply #1423 on: December 23, 2016, 11:12:07 PM »
Sara's one of the best people to follow right now. She knows her shit.
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« Reply #1424 on: December 24, 2016, 12:34:21 AM »
The UN is garbage.
This comment exists in a vacuum.
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« Reply #1425 on: December 24, 2016, 05:43:49 AM »
Sara's one of the best people to follow right now. She knows her shit.

I prefer this guy
https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/808045818024497157

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« Reply #1426 on: December 24, 2016, 07:45:45 AM »
I'm following him too. :pimp
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« Reply #1428 on: December 24, 2016, 07:35:00 PM »
Sure, the biggest reason Hillary lost is... Hillary, but there's a multitude of factors in play here and Russia is certainly one of them.
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« Reply #1429 on: December 25, 2016, 01:11:11 AM »
Sure, the biggest reason Hillary lost is... Hillary, but there's a multitude of factors in play here and Russia is certainly one of them.

I mean Russia certainly is one of them, yeah. But at the same time Hillary's baggage/"scandals" didn't help.

Speaking of which, I forget if I posted this in here but I just now finished it up: It's a long read but it's a pretty good article.

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Lee Atwater was an adviser to both Reagan and President George H. W. Bush, and chairman of the Republican National Committee from 1989 until his death two years later. In 1981, while working in Reagan’s White House, Atwater gave an interview to Alexander Lamis, a political scientist at Case Western Reserve University. In an unguarded moment that Atwater believed was off the record, he said:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “distinguished black fellow, distinguished black fellow, distinguished black fellow.” By 1968 you can’t say “distinguished black fellow” — that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “distinguished black fellow, distinguished black fellow.”

In five short sentences, Atwater explained how Republican politicians could appeal to poor whites’ racism (conscious or unconscious) without using blatantly racist language.
This shift was important because Reagan had cut social programs that began with the presidencies of John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.

In 1963, President John Kennedy had begun planning a “war on poverty” intended to help poor, southern whites — particularly in Appalachia and the rural South. Kennedy had visited Appalachia during the 1960 presidential campaign, and was shocked by what he saw — ”the hungry children, … the old people who cannot pay their doctors bills, the families forced to give up their farms.” Many of these families were descendants of white indentured servants who had fled to the Appalachian Mountains. The poverty Kennedy saw was, in part, a legacy of the era of slavery.

President Johnson, a greater ally to Black civil rights leaders than Kennedy had been, took over the program after Kennedy’s assassination and expanded its scope. These programs ultimately helped poor Blacks and poor whites, in both urban and rural areas.

In 1987, Reagan quipped, “In the 60s we waged a war on poverty, and poverty won.” That was pretty glib for a President who had just slashed social services by almost 36 percent. What was to keep poor whites from seeing they had lost just as much as poor Blacks?

The groundwork had already been laid. It wasn’t Reagan’s fault that social programs had to be cut. The “welfare queens” made him do it. Poor whites were still poorer, but at least they weren’t criminals, and that distinction was critical in their minds.

(...)

Defense CEO pay was 44 times that of a military general with 20 years of experience and 308 times that of an Army private in 2005. Generals made $174,452 and Army privates made $25,085, while average defense CEO pay was $7.7 million.

In contrast to wealthy individuals who became even wealthier, those who were sent to do the actual fighting comprised disproportionately high numbers of working class Americans. In the combined efforts of Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and Operation Iraqi Freedom, almost 7,000 U.S. soldiers have died. More than 970,000 veteran disability claims have been registered with the Veterans Administration.

Returning soldiers face higher unemployment rates than their civilian counterparts, particularly among male veterans age 21 to 24. Between 2009 and 2012, the youngest veterans had an unemployment rate of 21.6 percent, compared to 13.5 percent for civilians.

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Marginalized people have been fighting for equality for decades. Admittedly, in the quest to fight for the oppressed — people of color, women, religious minorities, the LGBTQ community — we often overlook the fact that classism never completely disappeared. For the white underclass, it’s tempting to feel left out of this fight. But how can people fighting for social equality include poor whites who see them as the enemy?

If poor and working class whites who chant, “Trump, Trump, Trump,” believe they have little in common with these “enemies,” they are mistaken.
We are all sides of the same coin, a coin that has been held in the pocket of the elite class since the first settlers arrived in the American colonies.

I’m no one special. I am a poor, uneducated, white woman. I am the white underclass, and I am no one’s enemy. I fight for racial equality because people of color are not my enemy. Gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender people are not my enemy. Immigrants and refugees are not my enemy. Muslims are not my enemy. Native Americans are not my enemy. Single mothers and fathers are not my enemy. People on Medicare, disability, food stamps, and unemployment are not my enemy. The homeless are not my enemy. And it turns out that the people of a small Arkansas town in the middle of the Ozarks are not my enemy.

Other poor people are not the enemy, no matter how they look, how they pray, or who they love. They are fighting to be heard. They are people who, like Trump supporters, agree with the statement, “People like me don’t have any say about what the government does.”

Trump supporters believe he’s different. They believe that he cares about us, that he tells it like it is, that he gives us a voice, that he can’t be bought because he’s already rich, that he’s railing against politics as usual.

But does Trump care about the white underclass, or does he still think poor people are “morons”?


Written a bit before the election, but probably will (sadly) still apply for others. What people need to be doing is educating these poor white folks on how social welfare can help them in addition to the "welfare queens" while trying to fight the "welfare queen" myth to reprogram an entire generation. Problem is, you have some whites (as I've seen on my own Facebook, really should get rid of these folks but...) too deep in the kool-aid that believe it so deeply it's hard to get them to "see the other side."

I mean you have posts like this that don't understand political party shifts and it's just eye-roll inducing due to these folks purposely voting down their party-lines instead of going for the issues.

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« Reply #1430 on: December 25, 2016, 01:54:20 AM »
The article makes a good point. If you're not rich and if you have children, your taxes will go up under Trump's proposed plan. Plus you have to factor in the increased cost of oil and imports due to threats/emotional outbursts dictating our foreign policy and hopefully Democrats will stick to their guns and not repeat the 2000-2004 bullshit of not opposing Trump enough.

He's like a black hole for facts and rationality so you have to fight him hard from the beginning in order for people to see that there is really a difference.

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« Reply #1431 on: December 25, 2016, 03:07:52 AM »
Trump to dissolve his foundation while his son Eric suspended fundraising for his own.
With all the whining and hand-wringing over post-truth, pseudo-debates and simulacra, I think it tends to be lost on some that checks and public pressure still have an effect.
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« Reply #1432 on: December 25, 2016, 03:46:02 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/812773204561379330

Get ready for the historic Camp Donald summit.
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« Reply #1433 on: December 25, 2016, 03:55:28 PM »
my body has never been readier
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« Reply #1434 on: December 26, 2016, 02:16:53 AM »
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Written a bit before the election, but probably will (sadly) still apply for others. What people need to be doing is educating these poor white folks on how social welfare can help them in addition to the "welfare queens" while trying to fight the "welfare queen" myth to reprogram an entire generation. Problem is, you have some whites (as I've seen on my own Facebook, really should get rid of these folks but...) too deep in the kool-aid that believe it so deeply it's hard to get them to "see the other side."

I mean you have posts like this that don't understand political party shifts and it's just eye-roll inducing due to these folks purposely voting down their party-lines instead of going for the issues.



I have been saying this for years as someone that experienced the first hand culture shock of leaving a fairly liberal city to go live in rural America.

It is almost a different world IMO. At least from a political culture standpoint. One where Democrats have almost entirely gave up on trying to appeal to and not only that, where they have tried, at least since Clinton, they have done so agreeing on the underlying premises that Republicans have been trying to inject as dogma for over a generation.

Its hard to go anywhere long-term when 1.) you have no real sustained presence in these communities and 2.) where you do, you ultimately re-inforce the underlying assumptions of the right through a short-term embracement of Third-Way style tactics because it is seen as the most effective way to capitalize on those moments where there is some disillusionment with the majority party. But that is always fleeting and short lived because when you are ultimately appealing to most of the same assumptions as your opposition, eventually the population is just going to revert back to the party that is closer to the ideals you tried to temporarily co-opt.

I honestly don't know the way you break this cycle other then a very long, arduous, concerted effort to push back from many different angles and through many different and creative vessels to chip away....Or just endure the likely drawn out collapse of the white political infrastructure through demographic shifts that could include many more Trump moments.

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« Reply #1435 on: December 26, 2016, 10:19:14 AM »
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/upshot/how-the-obama-coalition-crumbled-leaving-an-opening-for-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0&referer=

Black turnout was down significantly in Detroit, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia, enough to flip MI/WI/PA. Clinton doing worse with white working class voters than Obama ultimately is what doomed her too.

The top of the ticket matters.
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« Reply #1436 on: December 26, 2016, 12:06:43 PM »
I have been saying this for years as someone that experienced the first hand culture shock of leaving a fairly liberal city to go live in rural America.

It is almost a different world IMO. At least from a political culture standpoint. One where Democrats have almost entirely gave up on trying to appeal to and not only that, where they have tried, at least since Clinton, they have done so agreeing on the underlying premises that Republicans have been trying to inject as dogma for over a generation.

Its hard to go anywhere long-term when 1.) you have no real sustained presence in these communities and 2.) where you do, you ultimately re-inforce the underlying assumptions of the right through a short-term embracement of Third-Way style tactics because it is seen as the most effective way to capitalize on those moments where there is some disillusionment with the majority party. But that is always fleeting and short lived because when you are ultimately appealing to most of the same assumptions as your opposition, eventually the population is just going to revert back to the party that is closer to the ideals you tried to temporarily co-opt.

I honestly don't know the way you break this cycle other then a very long, arduous, concerted effort to push back from many different angles and through many different and creative vessels to chip away....Or just endure the likely drawn out collapse of the white political infrastructure through demographic shifts that could include many more Trump moments.

I don't see Trump's "party" (the Tea Party? IDK, so many different splinter factions now) really collapsing if ever given some of the folks on my Facebook feed. You've got some deep in the mud "#BlueLivesMatter" folks that don't want to admit (since they're cops) that "#notallcops" are good ones. I can't see the subtle racism going away, despite:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/upshot/how-the-obama-coalition-crumbled-leaving-an-opening-for-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0&referer=

Black turnout was down significantly in Detroit, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia, enough to flip MI/WI/PA. Clinton doing worse with white working class voters than Obama ultimately is what doomed her too.

The top of the ticket matters.

Quote from: NYTimes
Over all, 34 percent of Mr. Obama’s voters were whites without a college degree

I feel the whole "Hope" tagline bit the democrats (and Obama, but less so) with voters, mostly whites, more than anything. The economy is "recovering" but people still struggle. How is that "change you can believe in?" Clinton saying she was going to continue Obama's policies was a "oh hell no" moment for some of those folks.

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« Reply #1437 on: December 26, 2016, 01:17:07 PM »
But a lot of those same voters approve of Obama and his policies. More than enough so that if she had done better with that group she wins.
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« Reply #1438 on: December 26, 2016, 01:29:40 PM »
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I don't see Trump's "party" (the Tea Party? IDK, so many different splinter factions now) really collapsing if ever given some of the folks on my Facebook feed. You've got some deep in the mud "#BlueLivesMatter" folks that don't want to admit (since they're cops) that "#notallcops" are good ones. I can't see the subtle racism going away

The people are there to stay but keeping them under one tent might prove difficult though.
The Obama backlash was because people earnestly believe he could carry those things, and I suspect quite a few Trump voters will go through that as well.
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« Reply #1439 on: December 26, 2016, 08:18:06 PM »
http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2016/12/26/sorry-but-our-fight-against-liberal-fascism-has-only-just-begun-n2263156
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Understand that they will not stop. They will not change. We must therefore defeat them, because otherwise there will be no peace. As with so much in life, Dolph Lundgren shows us the way, though in this case liberals are less a macho, tough prizefighter named “Rocky” than a 23 year-old gender-fluid Oberlin grad named “Fussy” who lives in Brooklyn off of his/her/xes dad’s money while trying to be a non-rhyming poet.

We must keep fighting. We must never give an inch, never back down, never give up. We must respond to every attack upon us, large or small, with overwhelming firepower. But defense is not enough – we must go on offense, seize the initiative, and aggressively destroy anything that will aid liberals in their long-term goal of rendering us silenced and subservient.

The Democratic Party? Smash it.

The mainstream media? Crush it.

Academia? Nuke it ‘til it glows, preferably from orbit.

It’s the only way to be sure.
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Fight. Every time, in every way.

Some jerk mouths off to you on Twitter? Smack ‘em back until they are a quivering mass of whiny liberal Jell-O.

Some company decides to take sides against us? Boycott their crappy products and let them know it. Hey Kellogg’s, hope your liberal constituency enjoys its diabetes. And support the companies that reject liberal scams – fly Delta!

Some mainstream media liar lies? Carpet bomb the comments and unsubscribe to his dying paper.

Oh, and some spazz starts shrieking at you and your kids? Use appropriate force within the bounds of the self-defense laws in your state, of course, to protect yourself and your family.

Remember: Liberals are fearful because they know the kind of oppression they absolutely intended to inflict upon us if they had won, and they worry that we will do to them what they wanted to do to us. Well, I say let’s make their fears come true by demolishing their cultural edifice of hate and tyranny. Let them rule over the smoldering ruins of their dreams of power.
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Look, none of us want to spend our lives in permanent battle mode, but there’s no time out for the foreseeable future. We don’t have a choice. Our enemies – and understand that progressives are our enemies, not just opponents of good will who merely disagree with us – will not give up. They can’t give up, because they are so invested in liberal fascism and in controlling us that they have nothing else, leaving them no option but perpetual cultural and political war. We would rather life get back to normal, but there is no “normal,” not anymore.

You may not care about politics, but politics cares about you, and if we just give up and let these nanny state parasites go unchallenged we will eventually wake up in chains. Forcing our little girls to be surrounded by urinating men in dresses is not the endstate – it’s just the beginning of a never-ending series of cruel humiliations and calculated oppressions liberals will seek to inflict upon us. Their goal is not just to take power but to revel in the wicked delight of rubbing our faces in our powerlessness.

They hate us. Get that through your head, then act accordingly. And acting accordingly means fight back, hard and ruthlessly, every time they try to assert their tyrannical inclinations.

But mere defense is not enough, though it is essential that each and every slight, provocation and assault be met with overwhelming and merciless pushback. It means attacking and gutting the liberal power base by popping the institutional pustules where progressivism festers.
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Punish the mainstream media by going around them. Don’t subscribe. Don’t watch. Support the Trump administration as it avoids the gatekeepers via alternative media and by communicating with us directly via Twitter. Support the alternative media yourself – if you are paying for the New York Times or watching NBC, you are collaborating with the enemy.
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Here are your three choices. There are only three. Pick one.

1. Peaceful coexistence while leaving everyone alone and free

2. Conservatives in charge, protecting normal Americans’ freedom

3. Liberal in charge, persecuting normal Americans.

I would prefer Choice One, but liberals seem to have vetoed that. Fine. Then Choice Two it is – us in charge, because allowing these aspiring liberal fascists to rule us is no choice at all.
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