US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Rufus]

afraid of 

I feel your pain.

[Samson Manhug]

If you took james' post and replaced a Trump with Obama it'd be straight from AR15.com. It's interesting to me how either way, the gun industry benefits. Because of fear, gun ownership is becoming a bi-partisan issue for city liberals. It's pretty amazing if you think about it. I wonder if the NRA will capitalize on this.

[Great Rumbler]

According to this story in Politico, the White House worked with senior staffers on the House Judiciary Committee to draft the order. But those staffers, who work ultimately for Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), didn't tell their bosses. In other words, they secretly collaborated with White House staff without informing the members of Congress they work for. Indeed, the administration went so far as to have them sign non-disclosure agreements swearing them to secrecy!

 

[james]

If you took james' post and replaced a Trump with Obama it'd be straight from AR15.com. It's interesting to me how either way, the gun industry benefits. Because of fear, gun ownership is becoming a bi-partisan issue for city liberals. It's pretty amazing if you think about it. I wonder if the NRA will capitalize on this.

Heres the difference:

Obama was not a totalitarian fascist out to destroy our freedoms and the basis of this country.

Trump is.

Do you see why the need for guns might be different?

The right wing loonies bought an AM radio lie.

We're looking at facts

But dont worry, Im sure Trump will pivot. Any day now.

[Optimus]

If you took james' post and replaced a Trump with Obama it'd be straight from AR15.com. It's interesting to me how either way, the gun industry benefits. Because of fear, gun ownership is becoming a bi-partisan issue for city liberals. It's pretty amazing if you think about it. I wonder if the NRA will capitalize on this.

Heres the difference:

Obama was not a totalitarian fascist out to destroy our freedoms and the basis of this country.

Trump is.

Do you see why the need for guns might be different?

The right wing loonies bought an AM radio lie.

We're looking at facts

But dont worry, Im sure Trump will pivot. Any day now.

So, what are you planning to do, go out there and fight trained soldiers, tanks and fighter jets with your beretta or something?

[james]

If you took james' post and replaced a Trump with Obama it'd be straight from AR15.com. It's interesting to me how either way, the gun industry benefits. Because of fear, gun ownership is becoming a bi-partisan issue for city liberals. It's pretty amazing if you think about it. I wonder if the NRA will capitalize on this.

Heres the difference:

Obama was not a totalitarian fascist out to destroy our freedoms and the basis of this country.

Trump is.

Do you see why the need for guns might be different?

The right wing loonies bought an AM radio lie.

We're looking at facts

But dont worry, Im sure Trump will pivot. Any day now.

So, what are you planning to do, go out there and fight trained soldiers, tanks and fighter jets with your beretta or something?

I believe the NRA has made it possible to purchase automatic, armor piercing weaponry, along with full body protection. Additionally, I believe we can now purchase things like armored vehicles and smoke grenades off surplus.



Iraq and Afghanistan has shown how effective small weaponry can be against the full might of the US Army.

Be informed. Be prepared.

Signs and petitions might work against coward liberals like Obama. They dont work against fascism.

BTW: Read up on other fascists like Franco, not just Hitler. Also, Pol Pot.

[Samson Manhug]

Before anyone accuses me of it, james is not an alt I'm using to illustrate my point.

[james]

Speaking of Pol Pot, where is our resident history expert Benji?

Pol Pot, like the current Trump party, hated the smug liberals in cities. He hated media. He hated the educated. He wanted to teach them a lesson.

So he simply had the cities emptied of people and the smug liberals killed.

Is the Khmer Rouge an appropriate analogue to the Trump regime?

[james]

Before anyone accuses me of it, james is not an alt I'm using to illustrate my point.

I agree I dont want the NRA or gun industry to benefit.

Maybe importing foreign weaponry would be better?

[Cerveza mas fina]

Look trump is a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, but comparisons to hitler and pol pot are fucking dumb

fucking education system these days

get a grip kids

[james]

Look trump is a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, but comparisons to hitler and pol pot are fucking dumb

fucking education system these days

get a grip kids

When the national guard starts up their stop and frisk program in Chicago will you change your mind?

[Cerveza mas fina]

oh shit stop and frisk

thats just 5858484 steps away from genocide

stay safe

[james]

oh shit stop and frisk

thats just 5858484 steps away from genocide

stay safe

"Two black men were killed when they ran away from the stop and frisk checkpoint and the army heroes felt threatened"

[Cerveza mas fina]

institutionalised racism is still not genocide

I mean if black people getting shot is your treshold the usa has also had plenty of that under previous governments

trump has no final solution

[james]

trump has no final solution

I agree.

But what about President Bannon?

[Rufus]

I think Trump (or Bannon) would love to rule supreme, but the missing piece here is that the US isn't actually as weak as the frothing crazies imagine it to be. The whining about how it's all going to crash down on us any time now and how we've (the west) have lost control of our countries etc. is at the heart of every populist movement right now. That fantasy was enough to get Trump elected, but it isn't going to be enough to make him any kind of supreme leader. Which is not to say that they won't continue to chip at the foundations.

[Optimus]

I believe the NRA has made it possible to purchase automatic, armor piercing weaponry, along with full body protection. Additionally, I believe we can now purchase things like armored vehicles and smoke grenades off surplus.

(Image removed from quote.)

Iraq and Afghanistan has shown how effective small weaponry can be against the full might of the US Army.

Be informed. Be prepared.

Signs and petitions might work against coward liberals like Obama. They dont work against fascism.

BTW: Read up on other fascists like Franco, not just Hitler. Also, Pol Pot.

Iraq and Afghanistan were taken over within days. What exactly did the resistance there do? Did they win? Nope. We just lost because the invasions created an enormous unmanageable clusterfuck. The US army didn't lose any territory, they didn't retreat and they didn't surrender to the resistance. They were just told to leave, that's it.

Also your comparisons to Pol Pot and Hitler are ridiculous. I hope deep down you realize this.

[james]

I think Trump (or Bannon) would love to rule supreme, but the missing piece here is that the US isn't actually as weak as the frothing crazies imagine it to be. The whining about how it's all going to crash down on us any time now and how we've (the west) have lost control of our countries etc. is at the heart of every populist movement right now. That fantasy was enough to get Trump elected, but it isn't going to be enough to make him any kind of supreme leader. Which is not to say that they won't continue to chip at the foundations.

Y'all should brush up on your history of Latin America, something which is sorely lacking in US schools. People point to Castro, but he's the exception. Folks like Chavez operated within a strong "checks and balances" constitutional system modeled after the US.

Iraq and Afghanistan were taken over within days. What exactly did the resistance there do? Did they win? Nope. We just lost because the invasions created an enormous unmanageable clusterfuck. The US army didn't lose any territory, they didn't retreat and they didn't surrender to the resistance. They were just told to leave, that's it.

Americans are no longer allowed in Iraq.

Seems like the process worked.

[Optimus]

I think Trump (or Bannon) would love to rule supreme, but the missing piece here is that the US isn't actually as weak as the frothing crazies imagine it to be. The whining about how it's all going to crash down on us any time now and how we've (the west) have lost control of our countries etc. is at the heart of every populist movement right now. That fantasy was enough to get Trump elected, but it isn't going to be enough to make him any kind of supreme leader. Which is not to say that they won't continue to chip at the foundations.

Y'all should brush up on your history of Latin America, something which is sorely lacking in US schools. People point to Castro, but he's the exception. Folks like Chavez operated within a strong "checks and balances" constitutional system modeled after the US.

Iraq and Afghanistan were taken over within days. What exactly did the resistance there do? Did they win? Nope. We just lost because the invasions created an enormous unmanageable clusterfuck. The US army didn't lose any territory, they didn't retreat and they didn't surrender to the resistance. They were just told to leave, that's it.

Americans are no longer allowed in Iraq.

Seems like the process worked.

Because of political reasons not because the US army was defeated.

[Samson Manhug]

Americans are no longer allowed in Iraq.

Seems like the process worked.

This is not true. The Iraqi parliament voted in a non-binding recommendation to the executive branch to enforce a reciprocity measure.

[Samson Manhug]

I think Trump (or Bannon) would love to rule supreme, but the missing piece here is that the US isn't actually as weak as the frothing crazies imagine it to be. The whining about how it's all going to crash down on us any time now and how we've (the west) have lost control of our countries etc. is at the heart of every populist movement right now. That fantasy was enough to get Trump elected, but it isn't going to be enough to make him any kind of supreme leader. Which is not to say that they won't continue to chip at the foundations.

Y'all should brush up on your history of Latin America, something which is sorely lacking in US schools. People point to Castro, but he's the exception. Folks like Chavez operated within a strong "checks and balances" constitutional system modeled after the US.

Iraq and Afghanistan were taken over within days. What exactly did the resistance there do? Did they win? Nope. We just lost because the invasions created an enormous unmanageable clusterfuck. The US army didn't lose any territory, they didn't retreat and they didn't surrender to the resistance. They were just told to leave, that's it.

Americans are no longer allowed in Iraq.

Seems like the process worked.

Because of political reasons not because the US army was defeated.

"War is the continuation of politics by other means." –Clausewitz

[Huff]

Re: replacing AG Yates and Daniel Ragsdale

So these are appointed positions correct? Originally from the Obama administration? So being replaced was expected?

I'm trying to separate the the actually terrible things going on from the rest

No, these are already the replacements. Loretta Lynch not ring a bell? She was dismissed on Jan 20.

He is firing his chosen temp replacements at 10pm.

Expected?

"his chosen"

temps that are still obamas people. one who is now still there in his previous role as deputy

[james]

Re: replacing AG Yates and Daniel Ragsdale

So these are appointed positions correct? Originally from the Obama administration? So being replaced was expected?

I'm trying to separate the the actually terrible things going on from the rest

No, these are already the replacements. Loretta Lynch not ring a bell? She was dismissed on Jan 20.

He is firing his chosen temp replacements at 10pm.

Expected?

"his chosen"

temps that are still obamas people. one who is now still there in his previous role as deputy

You realize the new guy is also "Obamas people" right?

Do you expect the entire government to be fired and replaced every 4 years?

Do you realize they're not Obamas people but hard working american civil servants?

Trump fired people and chose their replacements. He is now firing the replacements and replacing them with more temps.

Government is in complete disarray.

[TakingBackSunday]

Why are people like Brand New and am nintenho (and many other liberals, not to just call them out) suddenly interested in purchasing firearms? How do you think that will affect anything? What do you think that will prevent? If you were morally anti-gun before, how has a new administration changed your core principles? Does owning guns suddenly not increase risk of gun violence?

I'm just curious how the opposition taking power makes you want to join them on a major political issue, like gun rights/control. Were you always wrong about guns and just now realize it?

Sorry if this seems like a troll but it's very interesting to me as a gun owning progressive and as someone who is curious how people change sides on major issues like this.

I don't think I mentioned buying a gun 

[Optimus]

I think Trump (or Bannon) would love to rule supreme, but the missing piece here is that the US isn't actually as weak as the frothing crazies imagine it to be. The whining about how it's all going to crash down on us any time now and how we've (the west) have lost control of our countries etc. is at the heart of every populist movement right now. That fantasy was enough to get Trump elected, but it isn't going to be enough to make him any kind of supreme leader. Which is not to say that they won't continue to chip at the foundations.

Y'all should brush up on your history of Latin America, something which is sorely lacking in US schools. People point to Castro, but he's the exception. Folks like Chavez operated within a strong "checks and balances" constitutional system modeled after the US.

Iraq and Afghanistan were taken over within days. What exactly did the resistance there do? Did they win? Nope. We just lost because the invasions created an enormous unmanageable clusterfuck. The US army didn't lose any territory, they didn't retreat and they didn't surrender to the resistance. They were just told to leave, that's it.

Americans are no longer allowed in Iraq.

Seems like the process worked.

Because of political reasons not because the US army was defeated.

"War is the continuation of politics by other means." –Clausewitz

My point is that if Trump is Hitler or Pol Pot he certainly won't back down for diplomatic reasons, he'll use the full force of the US army to slaughter the resistance. If he's not then there's no reason to fight him violently.

But seriously I don't think james or any other liberals deep down believe this bullshit. It's just an excuse they use to let their lizard brain do the thinking like someone else said.

[Nola]

Personally I am not a "no guns" liberal. I just think basic common sense like purchase tracking, renewable licensing, forcing private sales to be conducted in the same way as other gun purchases, mandatory safe storage laws with verification should be in place.

With that said, no one is buying a few AR's and taking on the government. You aren't making yourself safer and insurgency in America would be doomed to fail.

[james]

It's just an excuse they use to let their lizard brain do the thinking like someone else said.

I would like to hear more about this lizard brain theory

With that said, no one is buying a few AR's and taking on the government. You aren't making yourself safer and insurgency in America would be doomed to fail.

George Washington would give you a whipping

[etiolate]

In case you're dumb enough to be serious, using fire arms at a protest will likely result in more innocent deaths than anything.

[Nola]

It's just an excuse they use to let their lizard brain do the thinking like someone else said.

I would like to hear more about this lizard brain theory

With that said, no one is buying a few AR's and taking on the government. You aren't making yourself safer and insurgency in America would be doomed to fail.

George Washington would give you a whipping

Good luck when half your neighbors would be able to set up informant networks unavailable in meaningful ways  in places like Iraq til the Sunni Awakening. Or just have fun evading when that fascist acquires your social media profile and registers you as a defiant.

At best you would provoke a civil war and the side with drones and nukes is going to have an advantage. And it's not like public goodwil will wane in that scenario. Nowhere else to go.

Can't believe I'm having a serious conversation about this 

[Samson Manhug]

My bad, Brand New. I must have mixed you up with james.

[james]

In case you're dumb enough to be serious, using fire arms at a protest will likely result in more innocent deaths than anything.

[Kara]

I know it's hard to believe after decades of nomenklatura liberalism doing little beyond fulfilling an onanistic need to be the most quote, unquote reasonable ones in the room, but have a little faith.

[Rufus]

My bad, Brand New. I must have mixed you up with james.

Doesn't explain why I was convinced that I had seen BrandNew post about guns.

[etiolate]

Guns being phallic shaped is a women's issue.

[Phoenix Dark]

Remember when you guys laughed at conservatives for buying guns 

Never understood hating guns or the left's fervent anti-gun fever, which is clearly not shared by most of the country. Good to see black people buying guns btw, long overdue.

[ToxicAdam]

Gun ownership is mostly all fear-based. Some of it is legitimate, but most of it is perceived threats that don't exist. Media-induced panic.

I know people own guns for hunting purposes, but those same people also buy handguns.

[james]

Remember when you guys laughed at conservatives for buying guns 

Never understood hating guns or the left's fervent anti-gun fever, which is clearly not shared by most of the country. Good to see black people buying guns btw, long overdue.

The problem with conservatives and guns is the attitude that you need to take them with you anywhere and everywhere. Thats how toddlers kill each other. Also, crazy people shouldn't have trump. Unfortunately, most crazy people are conservatives.

Guns should be kept in a locked safe and only brandished when your well regulated Militia is ready to fight back.

[Great Rumbler]

Trump's not gonna become supreme leader, guys, come on.

[james]

Trump's not gonna become supreme leader, guys, come on.

What do you call a Putin type leader?

[tiesto]

Well, DeVos got confirmed as the Secretary of Education. The dumbing down and selling out of America in an Amway pyramid scheme fashion begins now. Time to start shipping out resumes 

[Great Rumbler]

Trump's not gonna become supreme leader, guys, come on.

What do you call a Putin type leader?

Someone who benefited greatly from a weak political system and minimal opposition?

[james]

Well, DeVos got confirmed as the Secretary of Education. The dumbing down and selling out of America in an Amway pyramid scheme fashion begins now. Time to start shipping out resumes 

I see the Democrat backbone is a strong as ever.

And then they ask why people dont vote D.

What do you call a Putin type leader?

Someone who benefited greatly from a weak political system and minimal opposition?

Dud has been in charge since 1999.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm still staunchly anti-gun.  Fuck them.

[Nola]

Seems rumors are Gorsuch is the pick, thoughts?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15F28Z?utm_source=applenews

[VomKriege]

What do you call a Putin type leader?

Someone who benefited greatly from a weak political system and minimal opposition?

Dud has been in charge since 1999.

We all know this was mostly theater but Putin did downgrade himself to Prime Minister for 4 years and Medveded did try, AFAIK, to have its own identity and freedom (not to much avail). It doesn't detract from the larger point that Putin is indeed looking more and more like a virtual President for life (he's a lock for having a mandate until 2024).

[zomgee]

Well, DeVos got confirmed as the Secretary of Education. The dumbing down and selling out of America in an Amway pyramid scheme fashion begins now. Time to start shipping out resumes 

She did? I'm not seeing any reports on that yet.

[Steve Contra]

She got out of committee I believe, not the same as confirmation.

[VomKriege]

Well, DeVos got confirmed as the Secretary of Education. The dumbing down and selling out of America in an Amway pyramid scheme fashion begins now. Time to start shipping out resumes 

She did? I'm not seeing any reports on that yet.

Reuters and AP report she passed the competent committee (12-11, along partisan lines) and her nomination is cleared to be voted on in Senate. Same for Perry.

[Kara]

Never understood hating guns or the left's fervent anti-gun fever, which is clearly not shared by most of the country.

[citation needed]

[Great Rumbler]

Well, DeVos got confirmed as the Secretary of Education. The dumbing down and selling out of America in an Amway pyramid scheme fashion begins now. Time to start shipping out resumes 

I see the Democrat backbone is a strong as ever.

And then they ask why people dont vote D.

What exactly do you expect Democrats to do here? They're stalling the full vote on Price and Mnuchin as much as they can to try to dig up more dirt, but that's not going to last much longer. And they can't outright filibuster on cabinet positions.

[Kara]

Is this a dank Bore meme, Dufus?

A minority of Americans own guns (and it's a population with its fair share of whales at that), and supporting tougher gun control polls around 50%. Clearly is a rather generous descriptor or one predicated on a very narrow reading of the country.

[etiolate]

tougher gun control isn't the same as anti-gun

I'm not into guns at all. Don't want one in my house, but I don't feel any need to take guns away. Don't see an issue with better tracking of guns and checks.

[Great Rumbler]

I don't think even most liberals want guns eliminated completely, they just want sensible gun-control/gun-safety measures to be put in place rather than a free-for-all gun bonanza.

[Samson Manhug]

Is this a dank Bore meme, Dufus?

A minority of Americans own guns (and it's a population with its fair share of whales at that), and supporting tougher gun control polls around 50%. Clearly is a rather generous descriptor or one predicated on a very narrow reading of the country.

86% of Americans want universal background checks BUT 61% are against "assault rifle" bans and 76% are against handgun bans despite the majority of Americans not having a gun in their household.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

[Phoenix Dark]

Is this a dank Bore meme, Dufus?

A minority of Americans own guns (and it's a population with its fair share of whales at that), and supporting tougher gun control polls around 50%. Clearly is a rather generous descriptor or one predicated on a very narrow reading of the country.

I'm only counting Real Americans, sorry.

[Syph]

lol @ thinking the firing of Yates is a story or lacks ample precedent

also:

Trump continues Obama order protecting LGBTQ federal workers

Looking forward to people taking back what they said.
I'll wait.

[Optimus]

So the anti-LGBT legislation story spread by the media was corporate fake news again?

[D3RANG3D]

The most shocking thing is it's being reported by CNN.

[james]

What exactly do you expect Democrats to do here? They're stalling the full vote on Price and Mnuchin as much as they can to try to dig up more dirt, but that's not going to last much longer. And they can't outright filibuster on cabinet positions.

Sit on the floor and refuse to let the proceedings continue.



New rumors that Trump is going to start banning more immigrants and such.

Good.

Fuck every immigrant who supported Trump. Maybe when your children and ripped away from you and your grandmother is deported you'll reconsider ever voting R again

[Mandark]

So the anti-LGBT legislation story spread by the media was corporate fake news again?

Might happen, might not. Pretty sure Trump's on record saying he would sign it if it came to his desk, and it had ~170 cosponsors in the House last session.

You could just look this up on Govtrack yourself.