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« Reply #7500 on: July 16, 2017, 08:49:46 PM »
True story I have to check arxiv every day sun-thursday at exactly 8:30 to see if any new papers have come out scooping me on shit im working on and I get sever anxiety when I dont.  Friday and Saturday when they dont upload is such a relief. 
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« Reply #7501 on: July 17, 2017, 10:28:59 AM »
True story I have to check arxiv every day sun-thursday at exactly 8:30 to see if any new papers have come out scooping me on shit im working on and I get sever anxiety when I dont.  Friday and Saturday when they dont upload is such a relief.

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« Reply #7502 on: July 17, 2017, 12:12:38 PM »
Sure it sounds bad now but when I discover how to deevolve people into blind mole men before Google does then we'll see who posts hard to interpret gifs.   

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« Reply #7503 on: July 17, 2017, 01:00:56 PM »
So has nothing come from all this Russia shit still?

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« Reply #7504 on: July 17, 2017, 01:03:30 PM »
Just got to wait a year or two. 

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« Reply #7505 on: July 17, 2017, 01:44:12 PM »
So has nothing come from all this Russia shit still?

Hard to get a good chunk of the country, and the people that need to care at this point, to actually care, when a good portion of the country exclusively consumes their information through a network of political disinformation outlets that for all intents and purposes is pretty much indistinguishable from state sanctioned propaganda.

Mueller is basically where all the cards lay at this point IMO. That and the slow trickle of revelations that take baby steps in chipping away at that wall of disinformation.



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« Reply #7506 on: July 17, 2017, 03:11:57 PM »
So has nothing come from all this Russia shit still?

Wait until 2018 when maybe the Dems take back the House [lmao, maybe in 2118 amirite].
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« Reply #7507 on: July 17, 2017, 03:19:15 PM »
So has nothing come from all this Russia shit still?
Why would you expect anything to come from it? It's long past been circumscribed to merely the fever swamp's greatest journalist of our era's wet dreams. passionless and tireless hardcore reporting.

At this point you'll get an obstruction of justice charge against some mid-low level flunkie and you'll like it. If you're lucky.

Gamergate is just too powerful.

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« Reply #7508 on: July 17, 2017, 03:20:35 PM »
Hard to get a good chunk of the country, and the people that need to care at this point, to actually care, when a good portion of the country exclusively consumes their information through a network of political disinformation outlets that for all intents and purposes is pretty much indistinguishable from state sanctioned propaganda.
Not to mention the Republican Party and Trump supporters.

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« Reply #7509 on: July 17, 2017, 04:49:55 PM »
Theoretically if McCain were to kick the bucket, Democrats would have a clear path to 51 seats in 2018: Heller + Flake + vacant AZ seat. They'd also have to play perfect defense, but that shouldn't be impossible.

Seats the Dems have to defend in 2018: Montana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Missouri, Indiana, Michigan (against probably Kid Rock), Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin where the incumbent is a lesbian, and Florida.

The Republicans have just EIGHT seats up where they have incumbents, and they are: Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Texas, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Nebraska.

Not very good odds, just saying.
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« Reply #7510 on: July 17, 2017, 05:05:21 PM »
Democrats would have a clear path

Let old memes die, breh.
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« Reply #7511 on: July 17, 2017, 05:19:57 PM »
I wouldn't put too much stock in trends yet, this far out, but almost universally Democrats are trending 10+ points from their comparative baselines of 2016 in national and state special elections.

Made a little bit of spending money(might be some predict-it newcomers luck), exploiting that and a couple other things in the South Carolina 5th race. Will be interesting to test the ongoing hypothesis in two of New Hampshire's upcoming vacancies. Since they are fairly swing districts and recently the Dems have either barely lost or barely won respectively. Both with incumbent or decent challengers.





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« Reply #7512 on: July 17, 2017, 06:49:58 PM »
https://medium.com/@blakeleynixon/im-a-lefty-and-i-joined-a-trump-supporters-facebook-group-here-s-what-i-learned-47d7a98884d

 TL; DR: author went into a Trump supporter her Facebook page, thinking he would find some common ground and hope. It turns out things are worse than he expected.

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« Reply #7513 on: July 17, 2017, 07:05:32 PM »
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) learned from TPM last week that Senate Majority Mitch McConnell (R-KY) was telling moderate Republican senators in closed-door meetings that a future Congress and president will not let the bill’s harshest cuts to Medicaid go into effect.

On Monday, Johnson told reporters he went to the moderate senators in question and confirmed that report, causing him to withdraw his previous support for advancing the bill.

:neogaf
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« Reply #7514 on: July 17, 2017, 07:24:37 PM »
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Here's what McConnell has told several hesitant senators (including Portman and Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.): The bill’s deepest Medicaid cuts are far into the future, and they’ll never go into effect anyway.

“He’s trying to sell the pragmatists like Portman, like Capito on ‘the CPI-U will never happen,’” a GOP lobbyist and former Hill staffer told me.

Under the current version of the Senate health-care bill, federal Medicaid spending would drop by 26 percent starting in 2026, pegged to the Urban Consumer Price Index. That's still eight-and-a-half years away -- long past senators' next election. And cutting Medicaid is so unpopular, with so much resistance from the health-care industry, that it's likely Congress would find a way to avoid the cuts when the time comes.
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« Reply #7515 on: July 17, 2017, 07:25:52 PM »
chrono, i told you trump was telling the truth in that tweet :doge

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« Reply #7516 on: July 17, 2017, 08:31:50 PM »
https://medium.com/@blakeleynixon/im-a-lefty-and-i-joined-a-trump-supporters-facebook-group-here-s-what-i-learned-47d7a98884d

 TL; DR: author went into a Trump supporter her Facebook page, thinking he would find some common ground and hope. It turns out things are worse than he expected.

Wish I could say this surprises me.

The self-propaganda age of social media definitely seems to be at an apex.

If we aren't at the peak when combined with TV and radio, I'm scared to know what the peak actually looks like for America? I'm not even sure state propaganda could ever hope to be as effective as this shit is for its captured audience? Since with this there is a parallel shared cultural belief of authenticity that they have deluded themselves into.

....Though thankfully if history is any indicator, empty political idol worship tends to dissipate and get overtaken by cynicism once they control the power levers, fail on multiple agendas, and they run out of energy to make excuses.

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« Reply #7517 on: July 17, 2017, 08:45:40 PM »
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GOP Sens. Mike Lee and Jerry Moran said on Monday evening they won't vote to advance the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill, killing the bill in its current form. The vote has been indefinitely delayed following a surgery on Sen. John McCain.

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« Reply #7518 on: July 17, 2017, 08:49:52 PM »
The political dynamic of these repeal attempts is so f'n weird.

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« Reply #7519 on: July 17, 2017, 08:54:05 PM »
Also, because why the fuck not at this point:
https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/886995408416886785






 :whew :usacry

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« Reply #7520 on: July 17, 2017, 08:57:31 PM »
Wish I could say this surprises me.

The self-propaganda age of social media definitely seems to be at an apex.

If we aren't at the peak when combined with TV and radio, I'm scared to know what the peak actually looks like for America? I'm not even sure state propaganda could ever hope to be as effective as this shit is for its captured audience? Since with this there is a parallel shared cultural belief of authenticity that they have deluded themselves into.

....Though thankfully if history is any indicator, empty political idol worship tends to dissipate and get overtaken by cynicism once they control the power levers, fail on multiple agendas, and they run out of energy to make excuses.
Ever wonder why some newspapers have Democrat or Republican in their titles? Newspapers used to be party political organs and that was their primary focus. Yellow journalism and muckraking were both sides of the same coin, neither of which was a passionless objective reporting of the truth sans agenda.

Reporting/journalism actually has never been that way, it's impossible. The media just created its own narrative about a Golden Age that never existed as the heroes they hold up as paragons of objectivity were willing participants in fanning the flames of McCarthyism, Vietnam and opposition to Civil Rights/promotion of "law and order" responses. And I'm not even making the standard accusation of a "progressive/Democrat" bias here. Just that people are human beings.

Even TR, the great founder of the modern "public" presidency who opened the door of the White House (and his off-the-record barber trips) to the press, was ruthless in his division of those reporters on the right side of history and those who opposed him.

What we have now though, is for the first time, we can attach all of this to the readers themselves. The readers/viewers/etc. used to be anonymous. Letters to the Editor were curated before even published. Now, if my own experience is anything to go by, Facebook comments that show the persons name, job, picture, etc. aren't any better and sometimes even worse than potentially anonymous leaning systems like disqus or NeoGAF.com where even someone with a hundred thousand posts can go almost unnoticed by the administrative staff.

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« Reply #7521 on: July 17, 2017, 08:59:10 PM »
We let Ronnie Reagan be president just once (okay twice), now we're reaping the fucking whirlwind.  :'(
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« Reply #7522 on: July 17, 2017, 09:07:43 PM »
Well there is this on the positive news front:

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WASHINGTON — Republican Senators Jerry Moran of Kansas and Mike Lee of Utah declared Monday night they would oppose the Senate Republican bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act, for now killing a seven-year-old promise to overturn President Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement.


Trump stacking up those wins.
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« Reply #7523 on: July 17, 2017, 09:08:22 PM »
Now, if my own experience is anything to go by, Facebook comments that show the persons name, job, picture, etc. aren't any better and sometimes even worse than potentially anonymous leaning systems like disqus or NeoGAF.com where even someone with a hundred thousand posts can go almost unnoticed by the administrative staff.
I've come full circle on this.

Used think anonymity was a big factor in how shitty people were online. Then saw what people were willing to say with their names and faces attached and reversed myself. After seeing the Twitter mentions of news reporters with Jewish-sounding names*, reconsidering again.

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« Reply #7524 on: July 17, 2017, 09:16:56 PM »
So who you gonna vote for Benji  :doge

I'm not really familiar with the republican primary field so I can't say whether Kid Rock will win the nom or not. If he did win the nom....running to be Trump's buttboy doesn't seem like a good idea, state-wise, assuming things continue to go as they're going.
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« Reply #7525 on: July 17, 2017, 09:19:52 PM »
There's a political site, maybe it's the Daily Caller, or Daily Beast or whatever, that's not the important point.

It had its old disqus commenting system still intact, but it also added Facebook comments. So they were both attached to the articles but separately, one then the other. I'd give the disqus comments the win just because it was the only one that got like page long rants about the (((elites))) and 9/11 no matter what the article was about, while the racist and bigoted Facebook ones were at least related to the article.

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« Reply #7526 on: July 17, 2017, 09:27:58 PM »
So who you gonna vote for Benji  :doge

I'm not really familiar with the republican primary field so I can't say whether Kid Rock will win the nom or not. If he did win the nom....running to be Trump's buttboy doesn't seem like a good idea, state-wise, assuming things continue to go as they're going.
We don't have either field locked down yet, from Wikipedia with some of my comments, the Senate:
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Declared[edit]
Lena Epstein, businesswoman[5]
Robert P. Young Jr., former Chief Justice of the Michigan Supreme Court[6]
Robert "Kid Rock" Ritchie, musician[7]

Potential[edit]
Justin Amash, U.S. Representative[1][8] (i expect him to go after Gary Peters in 2020, who last week won most unknown member of the U.S. Senate, rather than the Debbienaught)
Tom Barrett, State Representative[9]
Dan Benishek, former U.S. Representative[citation needed]
Mike Bouchard, Oakland County Sheriff, former State Senator and nominee for the U.S. Senate in 2006[1] (stupid, so he probably gets in)
John E. James, businessman[10]
Rick Jones, State Senator[9]
Ronna Romney McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee[1]
Candice Miller, Macomb County Public Works Commissioner and former U.S. Representative[1] (would want to avoid Debbie, so governor)
Ted Nugent, musician and political activist[11]
Randy Richardville, former Majority Leader of the Michigan Senate[12] (see Bouchard)
Mike Rogers, former U.S. Representative[1] (almost struck him out because he makes too much lobbying)
Fred Upton, U.S. Representative[13]

Declined[edit]
John Engler, former Governor[14]
Bill Schuette, Michigan Attorney General, former U.S. Representative and nominee for U.S. Senate in 1990[13] (running for Governor)

Governor, GOP:
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Declared[edit]
Patrick Colbeck, state Senator[2]
Joseph Derose, insurance agent[3]
Jim Hines, physician and president of the Christian Medical and Dental Associations[4]
Mark McFarlin, private investigator and Taxpayers Party nominee for governor in 2014[3]
Evan Space, businessman[3]

Potential[edit]
David Agema, Republican National Committeeman and former state representative[5]
Jase Bolger, former Speaker of the Michigan House of Representatives[6] (should run so he gets annihilated and goes away)
Brian Calley, Lieutenant Governor[7][8][9] (running)
Larry C. Inman, state representative[10]
Ruth Johnson, Michigan Secretary of State and nominee for Lieutenant Governor in 2006[11]
Candice Miller, Macomb County Public Works Commissioner and former U.S. Representative[8]
Bill Schuette, Attorney General of Michigan[1][7][8][9] (running)

Declined[edit]
Arlan Meekhof, Majority Leader of the Michigan Senate[12]

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Declared[edit]
Bill Cobbs, businessman[16]
Abdul El-Sayed, former executive director of the Detroit Department of Health and Wellness Promotion[17]
Shri Thanedar, entrepreneur[18]
Gretchen Whitmer, former Ingham County Prosecuting Attorney and former Minority Leader of the Michigan Senate[19] (lol, used to be my State Senator, would be the worst)

Potential[edit]
John Austin, former President of the Michigan Board of Education[20]
Mark Bernstein, member of University of Michigan Board of Regents[3] (running, will win the nomination and should be favorite to win the whole thing)
Debbie Dingell, U.S. Representative[21]
Mark Hackel, Macomb County Executive[22]
Geoffrey Fieger, attorney and nominee for governor in 1998[3][23] (please please please please)
Bill Wild, Mayor of Westland[24]

Declined[edit]
Mike Duggan, Mayor of Detroit[25][20][23] (but actually looking at a chance to run, i.e. a fractured primary between Bernie and Hillary people with Fieger leading)
Dan Kildee, U.S. Representative [26]
Barbara McQuade, former United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan[27]

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« Reply #7527 on: July 17, 2017, 09:30:37 PM »
Mark Bernstein is the non-blind Bernstein son btw if you didn't know.

My lowest Democratic Party "source" (desk jockey) scored him as 70/30 at getting in, everyone else said 80 or higher. Plus everyone I've heard via the media agrees he won't until later because the cash/staff will wait for him with that shitty declared field. Unless Duggan jumps in.
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« Reply #7528 on: July 17, 2017, 10:07:01 PM »
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GOP Sens. Mike Lee and Jerry Moran said on Monday evening they won't vote to advance the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill, killing the bill in its current form. The vote has been indefinitely delayed following a surgery on Sen. John McCain.

Alternate SAUCE:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/politics/health-care-overhaul-collapses-as-two-republican-senators-defect.html

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« Reply #7529 on: July 17, 2017, 10:26:54 PM »
Now's the part where Mitch still brings it to the floor, it gets amended all to hell, and the Democrats all vote to pass it with a handful of Republicans while the House screams bloody murder and Trump insults them on twitter.

Right? That's our political world now right?

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« Reply #7530 on: July 17, 2017, 10:34:46 PM »
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President Donald Trump said Republicans should simply repeal Obamacare and begin work on a new healthcare plan. Tweeting a response after several Republican senators said they would not support the Senate's healthcare bill, Trump said that "Republicans should just 'REPEAL' failing ObamaCare now & work on a new Healthcare Plan that will start from a clean slate. Dems will join in!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/887134287350439936

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« Reply #7531 on: July 17, 2017, 10:37:05 PM »

Ever wonder why some newspapers have Democrat or Republican in their titles? Newspapers used to be party political organs and that was their primary focus. Yellow journalism and muckraking were both sides of the same coin, neither of which was a passionless objective reporting of the truth sans agenda.

Reporting/journalism actually has never been that way, it's impossible. The media just created its own narrative about a Golden Age that never existed as the heroes they hold up as paragons of objectivity were willing participants in fanning the flames of McCarthyism, Vietnam and opposition to Civil Rights/promotion of "law and order" responses. And I'm not even making the standard accusation of a "progressive/Democrat" bias here. Just that people are human beings.

Even TR, the great founder of the modern "public" presidency who opened the door of the White House (and his off-the-record barber trips) to the press, was ruthless in his division of those reporters on the right side of history and those who opposed him.

What we have now though, is for the first time, we can attach all of this to the readers themselves. The readers/viewers/etc. used to be anonymous. Letters to the Editor were curated before even published. Now, if my own experience is anything to go by, Facebook comments that show the persons name, job, picture, etc. aren't any better and sometimes even worse than potentially anonymous leaning systems like disqus or NeoGAF.com where even someone with a hundred thousand posts can go almost unnoticed by the administrative staff.

For sure. The golden era of journalism is largely a myth(though I think plenty of journalists do in fact recognize this and the myth is almost becoming a myth people have about people that have the myth lol).

In fact arguably we have quite a lot of great journalism that rivals any period going on right now(at least on the national level, local is a different story). But people are uniquely able to wall themselves off from that better then ever(not just digitally but with a huge rural/urban divide as another backbone).  Find(or fall into) their niche of biases and overwhelm themselves with things to reinforce that view with communities and tools that they have 24/7 access to that they are invited to play a participatory role in the reinforcing cycle.

 I think that is a critical and unique difference. If you want(or your unconscious biases lead you) you can build an entire alternate reality that on superficial analysis has all the trappings of building a legitimate argument. Like Climate Change, anti-islamic hate, health care policy, or Seth Rich. Once you are in you have a litany of scientific looking disinformation, crafty analysis, politicians, appeals to emotion, alternative facts, sophisticated sounding experts, clever memes, "news" organizations, and reinforcing communities to solidify your belief of the alternative reality you crossed into. 


....As a sidetone, I think you also have a group of people like my Father/Grandfather and their generation that grew up with a culture of trust in the institutions that call themselves "news" and so it is hard to penetrate them with the idea that Fox News is not a slightly more conservative version of Murrow or the BBC. It creates its own set of problems and might be why studies overall say the generation that uses the internet the least is actually the most politically polarized group right now.

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« Reply #7532 on: July 17, 2017, 10:57:56 PM »
I think people are actually, writ large, less insular, as shown just by their shit-flinging at each other on websites/forums like that. It's just blatantly obvious they don't want to change their mind and will look for what fits their narrative because it's so much more out in the open.

There's a better way to put this. And to use our GAF thread and our own disgusting selves, are we insulating from GAF when we talk about it in there, I'd say no, we're actually more engaged about GAF than we would be posting on GAF.

And sorta the same thing here, sure they run back to their in-group and get more of the "right" answer or talk about how they demolished someone on the global warming hoax, but they've engaged themselves, and at least two communities on it. Even if nothing has changed for them. We shouldn't expect it to have, that's not how discussion and debates work.

I don't think anything would have been different in the past. I'm not sure people didn't believe any less crazy stuff then.

But then I've mostly grown up with the internet. I remember before the internet, before forums/BBS, but not before Rush Limbaugh really. Hell, not before weird conspiracy theories and stuff, like D&D being a gateway to Hell (okay, that one was true since it happened here, and Tom Hanks even proved it was true) or the child care Satanic molestation hysteria. So on. I have no idea what I'm saying I actually lost my train of thought in the middle of this post and now I'm trying to somehow put it back on track by just rolling with it until it fixes itself or derails totally. I know, how about a dubious Mark Twain quote, that always makes people seem smart, this one about how the hundred million Americans untrained as tailors would never dream to cut their own suit but have a strong opinion on policy regarding a waterway in some other state or what to do over some island in the Pacific. :doge

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« Reply #7533 on: July 17, 2017, 10:59:11 PM »
Now's the part where Mitch still brings it to the floor, it gets amended all to hell, and the Democrats all vote to pass it with a handful of Republicans while the House screams bloody murder and Trump insults them on twitter.

Right? That's our political world now right?
Maybe:
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on Monday night that senators can vote for a repeal of major pieces of Obamacare without a replacement, but only if they vote to begin debate on the Senate's repeal and replace bill. Four senators currently oppose even opening debate on the bill, but McConnell said if 50 senators vote to advance the Senate bill the chamber can vote on "what a majority of the Senate has already supported in 2015 and that was vetoed by then-President Obama: a repeal of Obamacare with a two-year delay to provide for a stable transition period." He did not announce a time for the vote.

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« Reply #7534 on: July 17, 2017, 11:10:02 PM »
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Donald Trump fell out with Chris Christie, a new book reveals, by screaming at him: 'You know my number, just give it to the President, I don't want your f***ing phone'.

Trump became furious on election night when the New Jersey governor offered to use his own mobile phone to take a congratulatory call from Barack Obama.

As a germophobe he was also horrified at the idea of having Christie's phone next to his face.
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Christie said: 'Hey Donald. The President talked to me earlier' - the two had gotten to know each other after Superstorm Sandy. Christie said: 'If you win he's going to call my phone, and I'll pass it over to you'.

Trump 'flashed a look of annoyance, clearly resenting the intrusion' and was repulsed by the idea of having somebody else's phone next to his face.

Trump told Christie: 'Hey Chris, you know my f***ing phone number. Just give it to the President. I don't want your f***ing phone'.

Aides said that Christie's move was the 'ultimate mistake' and one from which he 'wouldn't recover'.
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« Reply #7535 on: July 17, 2017, 11:17:05 PM »
We let Ronnie Reagan be president just once (okay twice), now we're reaping the fucking whirlwind.  :'(

I just want to now how the ever present flirtation with celebrity "outsiders" since Reagan for Republicans went from relative stability like this:

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Yesterday, Rasmussen Reports released its most recent survey poll among the 2008 GOP contenders with surprising news that former Tennessee Senator Fred Dalton Thompson, an undeclared candidate, is tied atop the field of Republican Presidential hopefuls. According to Rasmussen, “The newest face in the race [Thompson] is now tied with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani [at 27%].”


A Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll also released yesterday reports Thompson’s surge in the survey of GOP primary voters. “Republicans antsy for a conservative standard-bearer in the presidential race have begun to rally behind Fred Thompson, propelling the former Tennessee senator to within hailing distance of the lead for the party’s nomination.”


Onto this fucking path so quickly:







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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Trump Jr. SELF DROPPO
« Reply #7536 on: July 17, 2017, 11:36:05 PM »
Fred Thompson and Reagan spent more of their careers involved in politics really than "celebrity." Especially if you account for Reagan's politicking in the union and for GE.

Thompson just lucked into the Law and Order gig after leaving the Senate and this magic happened:

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« Reply #7537 on: July 17, 2017, 11:44:15 PM »
Nugent's threatened to run in every election without a GOP incumbent I can remember, and Kid Rock started doing the same thing a few years back. I'm sure Trump has encouraged that.

Sarah Palin's celebrity exists solely from politics basically.

Trump did make one and a half aborted runs for the Presidency in 1999-2000 and 1987. And Romney's people talked him out of 2012 in exchange for that endorsement where Trump says everything while Mitt and Ann just stand there awkwardly.

If anything I'd say Arnold becoming Governor (in an election that also featured Gary Coleman and all those other people) was a bigger impetus to the modern generation of celebrity. With maybe Jesse Ventura convincing them anyone could do it, even Sonny Landham the third Predator cast member to run for Governor.

Trump winning is obviously an encouragement like Jesse "The Mind" might have been.

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« Reply #7538 on: July 18, 2017, 01:46:21 AM »
My favorite part is the name "Dick Wolf" coming in right after the big moment.
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« Reply #7539 on: July 18, 2017, 02:03:25 AM »
Nugent's threatened to run in every election without a GOP incumbent I can remember, and Kid Rock started doing the same thing a few years back. I'm sure Trump has encouraged that.

Sarah Palin's celebrity exists solely from politics basically.

Trump did make one and a half aborted runs for the Presidency in 1999-2000 and 1987. And Romney's people talked him out of 2012 in exchange for that endorsement where Trump says everything while Mitt and Ann just stand there awkwardly.

If anything I'd say Arnold becoming Governor (in an election that also featured Gary Coleman and all those other people) was a bigger impetus to the modern generation of celebrity. With maybe Jesse Ventura convincing them anyone could do it, even Sonny Landham the third Predator cast member to run for Governor.

Trump winning is obviously an encouragement like Jesse "The Mind" might have been.

I was mostly just fucking around there but Arnold certainly could be a sort of bellwether. And Palin is a weird bird. She seems to exhibit the underlying things Republicans now respond to, but she wasn't a celebrity first, but her star power seemed to come from her caricature like performance art.

 Not exactly the biggest fan, but Roger Stone's humorous observation in the Netflix documentary I drunk watched with the girlfriend a couple months ago that "normies really don't see the difference between politicians and celebrity personas like Trump" is probably more accurate then I like to try and convince myself.... When I'm not already dying inside recently reading Christopher Achen or overthinking the George Lakoff book I recently got reminded of (half-assed college)reading because the podcast world got obsessed with him to help make sense of Donnie two scoops.
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« Reply #7540 on: July 18, 2017, 07:06:56 AM »
Reagan is clearly the precedent example for Trump.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Trump Jr. SELF DROPPO
« Reply #7541 on: July 18, 2017, 09:58:26 AM »
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Here's what McConnell has told several hesitant senators (including Portman and Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.): The bill’s deepest Medicaid cuts are far into the future, and they’ll never go into effect anyway.

“He’s trying to sell the pragmatists like Portman, like Capito on ‘the CPI-U will never happen,’” a GOP lobbyist and former Hill staffer told me.

Under the current version of the Senate health-care bill, federal Medicaid spending would drop by 26 percent starting in 2026, pegged to the Urban Consumer Price Index. That's still eight-and-a-half years away -- long past senators' next election. And cutting Medicaid is so unpopular, with so much resistance from the health-care industry, that it's likely Congress would find a way to avoid the cuts when the time comes.
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« Reply #7543 on: July 18, 2017, 10:35:24 AM »
“You think you’ve gotta go on TV to talk to me?” Trump shouted. “You treat me like a baby! Am I like a baby to you? I sit there like a little baby and watch TV and you talk to me? Am I a fucking baby, Paul?”

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Trump Jr. SELF DROPPO
« Reply #7544 on: July 18, 2017, 01:01:59 PM »
aaaaand repeal now, replace later has also failed

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« Reply #7546 on: July 18, 2017, 01:21:05 PM »
Elect Republicans to be in charge of government, brehs.
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« Reply #7547 on: July 18, 2017, 01:33:46 PM »
Oh yeah, remember when Trump and the House GOP had a big kegger back in May because Obamacare was finally dead? :neogaf
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« Reply #7548 on: July 18, 2017, 01:41:24 PM »
Dude awarded himself a participation trophy, won't go to the UK unless it's a safe space, and spends all day on social media.

What a millennial.

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« Reply #7550 on: July 18, 2017, 03:10:21 PM »
  If they think their town hall meetings were already tough then they better show up with security if they try for a straight repeal.

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« Reply #7552 on: July 18, 2017, 03:55:50 PM »
https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/887399635987427328
'Eventually we will get something done' :lol
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Trump Jr. SELF DROPPO
« Reply #7554 on: July 18, 2017, 04:53:37 PM »


My favorite part is the name "Dick Wolf" coming in right after the big moment.

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« Reply #7555 on: July 18, 2017, 06:16:47 PM »
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President Trump held a second, informal meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg earlier this month, according to Ian Bremmer, the president of the international consulting firm Eurasia Group.

The meeting took place during the G-20 heads of state dinner, according to Bremmer, hours after Trump's formal bilateral sit-down with Putin.

In that conversation, Trump spoke with the Russian leader for roughly an hour, joined only by Putin's translator. The meeting had previously gone without mention by the White House.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342589-ian-bremmer-trump-and-putin-held-second-informal-meeting-during-g-20


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An accused Russian money launderer representing a Kremlin-friendly oligarch has been reportedly identified as the eighth person at a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. last June.

Irakly Kaveladze
was a guest of Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya when she visited Trump and other campaign members in Trump Tower last year, Trump’s lawyer told CNN. The meeting was proposed by billionaire Russian real-estate developer Aras Agalarov. The billionaire is friendly with President Donald Trump, having hosted his Miss Universe 2013 pageant in Moscow and discussed real-estate deals with Trump.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-met-russian-accused-of-laundering-14-billion-dollars


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Also an interesting interview with an International Relations political scientist from the University of Toronto talking about his explanation for what may have drove this whole Russia/Trump relationship.

Basically it breaks down to this though lol:




But I will say the money connection helps connect a lot of the dots about hows, whys, and whats. Not that I think most people didn't think money was a heavy driver, but still. Although I was not all that familiar with the Prevezon case until this and it is a pretty under-reported eyebrow raiser. But like most things it mostly remains in the realm of unusual coincidence and circumstantial.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Trump Jr. SELF DROPPO
« Reply #7556 on: July 18, 2017, 07:03:37 PM »
It's pretty much an open secret at this point that a lot of Trump's business money over the past 5-10 years has been coming from Russia and Russia-friendly countries. Shouldn't be a surprise to anybody that Trump wants to pal around with Putin.
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« Reply #7558 on: July 19, 2017, 10:26:17 AM »
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« Reply #7559 on: July 19, 2017, 12:24:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/887654816507408384

I wonder why that is? :thinking

That must be one hell of a lunch they're serving in the Senate cafeteria today.
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