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« Reply #8580 on: August 27, 2017, 08:51:03 PM »
Username fucking wrecked.

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I haven't even been following politics since the election unfolded because this shit is majorly boring? They did a lawsuit over the DNC?

Oh you mean Sander's shit? I couldn't care about that shit. The party already imploded when Clinton couldn't bring the election home. So I'm just sitting here laughing at you.

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« Reply #8581 on: August 27, 2017, 09:20:08 PM »
I'm legit wondering if this shitshow can even last 4 years at this point. I'm not even talking about impeachment, shit feels like it's going to bottom out real quick.

Like, "bottom out" how? Other than impeachment or him quitting the job he clearly isn't enjoying, to what other options do you refer?

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« Reply #8582 on: August 28, 2017, 12:51:58 AM »
I'm legit wondering if this shitshow can even last 4 years at this point. I'm not even talking about impeachment, shit feels like it's going to bottom out real quick.

Like, "bottom out" how? Other than impeachment or him quitting the job he clearly isn't enjoying, to what other options do you refer?

I mean I guess technically the 25th amendment could be the third pathway?

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« Reply #8583 on: August 28, 2017, 01:23:28 AM »
wow this chinese hoax in Houston is really realistic

Hope president Trump investigates how they managed this holographic projection of a flood

Maybe he can send some bags of coal to stop it

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« Reply #8584 on: August 28, 2017, 01:31:26 AM »
thanks!

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« Reply #8585 on: August 28, 2017, 05:32:24 AM »
i'm not a major football fan like with basketball or anything but wasn't it the NFL (or was it the AFL? which i think had more lax rules in general regarding signing players) where one of the first really integrated teams still had an openly racist owner but he recognized the market inefficiency because "them colored boys can run" due to their special African genetics

i know Bill Veeck is now thought to maybe have come to a similar conclusion about the negro leagues being a place to raid for cheap talent since other owners wouldn't touch them and that he later embellished lots of the story about how he wanted to break the color line (along with every other story)

all that nonsense aside, i don't know how anyone can read anything about NFL owners and not conclude they're at least 70% Vile Cowards™ just from reading about their meetings and everything in the last couple years regarding stuff like L.A. and so on :lol

I know that in college football USC beat the ever living piss out of Alabama with a mixed team and that's what made the SEC decide to change their racist ways.

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« Reply #8586 on: August 28, 2017, 09:50:05 AM »
Noticed Obama tweeted out Red Cross info and realized the president hasn't tweeted anything people can call or donate to. What a time, lads.



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« Reply #8587 on: August 28, 2017, 02:28:18 PM »
Sater flipped, btw. He's been involved in the investigation for some time.
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« Reply #8588 on: August 28, 2017, 03:28:15 PM »
majority of Americans support immediate enactment of the Nazi platform poll finds, millennials only age group with plurality opposed to fascism in the only non-problematic method available:



men also less problematic (21%) than women (15%)

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« Reply #8589 on: August 28, 2017, 03:40:29 PM »
Why would they group The Greatest Generation with the sissys that lost Vietnam? 

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« Reply #8590 on: August 28, 2017, 04:47:06 PM »
The hurricane really throw a wrench in budgeting plans. Trump has threatened to shut down the govt over Wall funding, which is an idiotic idea but basically impossible now. Houston needs a LOT of help, this is a process that will literally take years to rebuild. Lots of disaster relief money.

So they didn't get the tax cuts they needed (ie shitcanning Obamcare to "pay" for them), and tax reform is likely delayed now due to the storm. We're getting closer and closer to the funding showdown.
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« Reply #8591 on: August 28, 2017, 05:40:16 PM »
NK fired a missile over Japan

GAF is screaming WW3 which is dumb.  But I do hope our Japan bore-friends are okay.
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« Reply #8592 on: August 28, 2017, 05:46:50 PM »
NK fired a missile over Japan

GAF is screaming WW3 which is dumb.  But I do hope our Japan bore-friends are okay.

Huh. It was less than an hour ago. It flew over Hokkaido; actually flew threw Japanese airspace.

Well, I know what the morning news shows are going to be covering…

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« Reply #8593 on: August 28, 2017, 05:58:12 PM »
To take off my PoliBore hat and dust off my PollinGAF hat and get extra stupid, there was something oddly alarming about that poll I took that Nazi punch stuff from. (PPP's newest national one conducted last week.)

Despite having half the questions look like they're asking about the 1877 American South or 1937 Germany, despite Trump being in the negative on pretty much every single form of approval/favoritism question asked, despite all his policies being either in the negative or far too many saying "don't know" across the board.

When they get to the hypothetical 2020 head-to-head matchups. Only three Democrats actually match up with Trump with declared Independents:
Joe Biden
Bernie Sanders
Barack Obama (tie)

Great hopes like Kamala Harris or Cory Booker are down over ten points, declared Democratic candidate Representative John Delaney of Maryland is down over 15 points. The only ones within single digits are Mark Cuban (mostly because he makes a bunch of Trump support into Not Sure) and Elizabeth Warren.

In fact, the only head-to-head that has a bigger lead than Trump over more likely Democratic options is Obama vs. Jefferson Davis which Obama wins by 20 points. (Even though Jefferson Davis is eligible to be President while Obama is not.) Even when they ask GOP only Trump or ANYONE ELSE, Trump wins by almost 30 points.

The Bernie v. Trump head-to-head gets the most support for both candidates from Republicans out of all the ones asked. They split 79-15 for Trump. (Harris for example is 76-11)

Also, no matter what group you segment out and ask except Hispanics, they have a more favorable view of Robert E. Lee than Mitch McConnell. 9% of Hispanics like Mitch and only 3% like Lee and 6% like Putin. 3% of blacks like Mitch, 11% like Putin and 15% like Lee. Paul Ryan actually does worse among blacks (only) at 2%, which is closer to Neo-Nazi's 1% than Lee's 15%. (Blacks also have the most favorable view of Congress...and support Trump the most against Booker and Harris.)

Okay, that's enough marginal tea leaf reading stupidity for a few minutes.

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« Reply #8594 on: August 28, 2017, 05:58:51 PM »
It's seriously infuriating how GAF gets whenever a NK story like this happens.
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« Reply #8595 on: August 28, 2017, 06:04:02 PM »
NK fired a missile over Japan

GAF is screaming WW3 which is dumb.  But I do hope our Japan bore-friends are okay.
Huh. It was less than an hour ago. It flew over Hokkaido; actually flew threw Japanese airspace.
I think some people don't realize how far north (and south) Japan goes. Especially when you put it on a globe. North Korea test firing one of their dumb missiles to the East can't go near anything but Japan, especially Hokkaido. Even if NK is intending on it landing in the ocean they have to fire it towards Japan. (Firing to the West risks it landing in a Chinese city.) I assume even North Korea wants their missiles to go over Japan completely and land on the other side.

Japan obviously recognizes this fact more than GAF of course so they probably don't freak out about it too much.

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« Reply #8596 on: August 28, 2017, 06:49:18 PM »
The news is seriously NOTHING BUT the missiles right now. Apparently it split into three different missiles at some point. The news is in freakout mode, but my family is pretty calm. The gov't issued one of those network-wide warnings to everyone's cellphones, telling them to get into cover in a solid building.  ::)

I know there are some people who are pretty full of themselves in any gov't, esp. something dictatorial like NK, but even in their hubris they must know the rest of the world would turn them into a featureless plane of glass if they actually bombed anything outside their own border.

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« Reply #8597 on: August 28, 2017, 06:53:17 PM »
The news is seriously NOTHING BUT the missiles right now. Apparently it split into three different missiles at some point. The news is in freakout mode, but my family is pretty calm. The gov't issued one of those network-wide warnings to everyone's cellphones, telling them to get into cover in a solid building.  ::)

I know there are some people who are pretty full of themselves in any gov't, esp. something dictatorial like NK, but even in their hubris they must know the rest of the world would turn them into a featureless plane of glass if they actually bombed anything outside their own border.

They used VX in the middle of one of the busiest airports in the world.  I can't believe how that was downplayed, tbh.  VX is a WMD.  I think they'll do whatever they've convinced themselves it takes, even if it seems insane from outside of their bubble.
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« Reply #8598 on: August 28, 2017, 07:11:31 PM »
They used VX in the middle of one of the busiest airports in the world.  I can't believe how that was downplayed, tbh.  VX is a WMD.  I think they'll do whatever they've convinced themselves it takes, even if it seems insane from outside of their bubble.
North Korea denies being involved, I see how it is from you imperialist running pig dog capitalists who gets facts from warmongering fake news rather than true and vetted sources like KCNA.
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Pyongyang, August 27 (KCNA) -- The Switzerland-Korea Committee and the Swiss Group for the Study of the Juche Idea on Aug. 20 made public a joint statement in support of the answers given by spokespersons of the Foreign Ministry of the DPRK to questions put by KCNA over the fact that the secretary general of the United Nations, Australian authorities and U.S. vice-president spelled anti-DPRK remarks.

The statement said that recently the secretary general of the United Nations told a news conference that increasing tension on the Korean peninsula is attributable to the DPRK's "development of nukes and missiles", betraying he and the UNSC are the puppets of the U.S. The statement sniped at him for remaining dumb on the U.S. which is driving the situation on the peninsula into the worst phase.

The stand of the Australian authorities abetting the U.S. moves against the DPRK is aggravating the situation on the peninsula and encouraging Trump, trigger-happy man, to start a war of aggression against the DPRK, said the statement, adding:

The U.S. vice-president, while touring Chile, demanded Brazil, Mexico, Chile and Peru sever diplomatic ties with the DPRK. This is shameless interference in those countries' internal affairs and violation of their sovereignty. The U.S. purpose to isolate the DPRK can never come true.

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« Reply #8600 on: August 28, 2017, 11:38:21 PM »
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348327-trump-i-pardoned-arpaio-during-hurricane-because-i-thought-tv-ratings

This fucking guy... :lol

Reminder (tweet storm, so you have to go to the link for all the bullshit): https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914

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« Reply #8601 on: August 28, 2017, 11:51:53 PM »
It's okay though, by accepting the pardon, former Sheriff Joe Arpaio is admitting he's guilty of contempt of court.

And if you disagree, a certain Mr. Gerald R. Ford would like to have some words with you.

And the good tax paying people of Maricopa County have paid for his numerous court settlements over the years. The only possible way we can ever resolve non-ideal actions by the police.

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« Reply #8602 on: August 29, 2017, 12:00:43 AM »
http://www.salon.com/2017/08/27/it-is-time-to-examine-the-words-and-the-origins-of-our-national-anthem-another-neo-confederate-symbol_partner/
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« Reply #8603 on: August 29, 2017, 12:07:38 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylor
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Claude Taylor tweeted fake details of criminal inquiries into Trump that were invented by a source whose claim to work for the New York attorney general was not checked, according to emails seen by the Guardian. The allegations were endorsed as authentic and retweeted by his co-writer Louise Mensch.

The source’s false tips included an allegation, which has been aggressively circulated by Mensch and Taylor, that Trump’s inactive fashion model agency is under investigation by New York authorities for possible sex trafficking.

The hoaxer, who fed the information to Taylor by email, said she acted out of frustration over the “dissemination of fake news” by Taylor and Mensch. Their false stories about Trump have included a claim that he was already being replaced as president by Senator Orrin Hatch in a process kept secret from the American public.

“Taylor asked no questions to verify my identity, did no vetting whatsoever, sought no confirmation from a second source – but instead asked leading questions to support his various theories, asking me to verify them,” the source said in an email.

After being approached for comment by the Guardian on Monday, Taylor posted what he described as a “mea culpa” on Twitter. “As a ‘citizen journalist’ I acknowledge my error and do apologize,” he wrote.

Mensch denied using the bogus information and said her allegations about Trump’s model agency came from her own sources. Asked why she had retweeted Taylor’s false posts, Mensch said: “I don’t think anybody can vet anybody else’s sources.”

The source falsely claimed to be an official named “Caitlin” in the office of Eric Schneiderman, New York’s attorney general. She shared details of her hoax on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation from followers of Taylor and Mensch. The Guardian verified her true identity and confirmed that she is not named Caitlin and does not work for Schneiderman.

In his emails, Taylor pushed the source for sensational material. Three days after she first contacted him, Taylor asked her: “Is there anything you have heard that’s really going to shock people? An ‘Oh my god!’ sort of thing?” In another message, Taylor conceded that he may have been “going farther than I should” by posting tweets that exaggerated the false tips she was giving him.

Thousands of people have reposted the false claims tweeted by Taylor, a former staffer in Bill Clinton’s White House. Mensch, a former member of parliament in the UK, retweeted at least 18 posts by Taylor that were based on the hoaxer’s false information, spreading them further afield.
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The bogus source first contacted Taylor by email on 20 July with an email titled “NYAG investigation”. Earlier that day, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough had quoted approvingly from an online post by Taylor, describing it as “one of the best tweets of the past month”.

Claiming to be “a fan” of Taylor’s writing who worked in Schneiderman’s organized crime task force (OCTF), the hoaxer told him his reporting on Trump had been “right on the money”. Taylor replied within two hours, pressing her for usable information about “tangible results like indictments”. He asked: “Are there sealed indictments from grand juries that Schneiderman has convened?”

Later that day, the hoaxer replied that Trump associates were indeed facing prosecution on state charges in New York. “I am aware of at least one preliminary sealed indictment in that case targeting multiple Trump Org principals,” she wrote.

Taylor posted a lightly edited version of this to Twitter two days later. He quoted a “NYAG Schneiderman source” as having told him: “I am aware of at least one sealed indictment targeting multiple Trump Organization Principals”. The post was retweeted by Mensch. In all it was retweeted and liked 8,800 times.

In the same email, the source gave Taylor false details of how multiple inquiries into Trump were under way across Schneiderman’s OCTF and financial crimes bureau. She said that Trump’s modelling agency was under scrutiny. Taylor relayed all this without verification to his almost 200,000 followers in a pair of tweets.

“There are a number of investigations being coordinated by NYAG Schneiderman office under both the Financial Crimes Bureau and the Organized Crime Task Force. According to my source one of the more intriguing ones is an inverstigation [sic] into the Trump Modeling Agency,” Taylor said.

After being asked by a follower for more information, Taylor claimed to know even more than the hoaxer had told him. “I have few details but apparently the possibility exists that our president has been a sex trafficker,” he said. Mensch then weighed in, reposting this false claim by Taylor and adding a vague allegation of her own that the full story was even worse.

Taylor and Mensch also repeated an invented claim from the source that former president Bill Clinton knew of criminal wrongdoing by Trump’s model agency and was was preparing to testify for the prosecution.
So what I'm hearing is that you're saying that Trump is already being fitted for handcuffs and almost committed crimes as bad as Hillary Clinton got away with like knowing a debate question. :trumps

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« Reply #8604 on: August 29, 2017, 12:57:49 AM »
I do wonder how much of Mensch's stuff gets fed to her and how much she personally makes up. Also just kind of wonder what the hell's going on in her head.

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« Reply #8605 on: August 29, 2017, 12:59:07 AM »
yeah, Trump is one of the most terrible us presidents in my lifetime, but still.. thank god that Arpaio fucker never got into politics on the national stage.

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« Reply #8606 on: August 29, 2017, 01:02:06 AM »
Also just kind of wonder what the hell's going on in her head.

From looking at her Twitter, my psychiatrist started loading me with seroquel when I started sounding like that.
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« Reply #8608 on: August 29, 2017, 03:13:08 AM »
While Ann is trolling (slay queen yaaas) the tweet and headline for that is kinda stupid. (Aside from a few paragraphs the article itself isn't too bad compared to some of the others in big media. I'd probably not at all consider it one containing the hysterical "climate change explains everything" that Ann's trying to poke fun at.) That said I'm only collecting articles or cable news clips describing it as a "once every 500 years event" to send to a certain someone in a certain geology department. Anything where an expert is talking about it being the second or third of what should be every 500 year events like I saw on FOX is like a quintuple combo. And if the host then asks the expert if it's possible it could happen again soon despite that. whew

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« Reply #8610 on: August 29, 2017, 03:21:22 AM »
Also just kind of wonder what the hell's going on in her head.

From looking at her Twitter, my psychiatrist started loading me with seroquel when I started sounding like that.
She has ADHD, and took a super drug in the 1990s that made her brain fall apart:
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The 41-year-old MP for Corby confessed on BBC Question Time that taking drugs when she was younger had left her suffering from pangs of anxiety. “It is something that I regret incredibly, that, in my youth, I messed with my brain.

“I said ‘we all do stupid things when we are young’. It’s had long-term mental health effects on me. It’s caused me to be more anxious than I need to be. It’s nothing that anybody needs to glorify.”

She refused to tell presenter David Dimbleby which drug she had taken.

“I don’t want to say so because I do not want to glorify those drugs and give those drugs a great name,” she said. “I did serious drugs and it messed with my head.”

I have no idea how being a low level Tory MP for a term and then doing all of this:
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In June 2012, Mensch joined forces with former Labour digital adviser Luke Bozier to set up a social networking website – a politics-based rival to Twitter.
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After leaving Parliament and moving to the US in 2012, Mensch began working as an independent blogger and also wrote articles for several newspapers, including The Times,[57] The Sun,[58] and The Guardian. In The Guardian she wrote two articles advocating "reality-based feminism", in particular "Conservative feminism" or "Tory feminism", and critical of Britain's "modern feminist movement" (including Equality impact assessment), which she called "ultra-feminism" and contrasted unfavourably with "American feminism"
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After the closure of Menshn, Mensch set up a style and fashion blog called Unfashionista in early 2013, devoted to "Fashion. Feminism. Fitness. And a little inspiration
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In May 2014, she started developing new digital projects for News Corporation.[68] In February 2016 she co-launched Heat Street, a libertarian news, opinion and commentary website, with television executive Noah Kotch.[69] On Heat Street, Mensch interviewed Adam Baldwin regarding the movement involved in the Gamergate controversy, claiming that it was Baldwin who created the Gamergate hashtag to "describe the scandal of falsely accused young men", and suggesting it is a hashtag that "divided the feminists – like me – and the fauxminists"
led to her having all these ties to the D.C. intelligence community that only talk to her.

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« Reply #8611 on: August 29, 2017, 07:15:23 AM »
I wish there was a way to get rid of trump and north korea in one go.

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« Reply #8612 on: August 29, 2017, 10:57:08 AM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-28/trump-is-said-to-punish-longtime-aide-after-angry-phoenix-speech

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TV and social media coverage showed that the site of his campaign rally, the Phoenix Convention Center, was less than full. Backstage, waiting in a room with a television monitor, Trump was displeased, one person familiar with the incident said: TV optics and crowd sizes are extremely important to the president.

As his surrogates warmed up the audience, the expanse of shiny concrete eventually filled in with cheering Trump fans. But it was too late for a longtime Trump aide, George Gigicos, the former White House director of advance who had organized the event as a contractor to the Republican National Committee. Trump later had his top security aide, Keith Schiller, inform Gigicos that he’d never manage a Trump rally again, according to three people familiar with the matter.

Gigicos, one of the four longest-serving political aides to the president, declined to comment.

A week later, Trump was still reminiscing about the event.

“You saw the massive crowd we had,” he said at a White House news conference on Monday with Finland President Sauli Niinisto. “The people went crazy when I said, ‘What do you think of sheriff Joe?’ Or something to that effect.”

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« Reply #8613 on: August 29, 2017, 12:06:40 PM »
(Aside from a few paragraphs the article itself isn't too bad compared to some of the others in big media. I'd probably not at all consider it one containing the hysterical "climate change explains everything" that Ann's trying to poke fun at.)

Is this a gag where you're seeing how many of us would actually click through to that site?

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« Reply #8614 on: August 29, 2017, 04:58:24 PM »

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« Reply #8618 on: August 29, 2017, 10:44:38 PM »
https://twitter.com/RogueCPI/status/902711126345080834

Aww it doesn't show the quoted tweet about Trump hiring someone who hit with fraud to head up a department that is supposed to stop fraud. Takes one to know one I guess.
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« Reply #8619 on: August 30, 2017, 12:00:41 AM »
And she gets away with it yet again: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/29/fbi-shuts-down-request-for-files-on-hillary-clinton-by-citing-lack-public-interest.html
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The FBI is declining to turn over files related to its investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails by arguing a lack of public interest in the matter.

Ty Clevenger, an attorney in New York City, filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request in March of 2016 asking for a variety of documents from the FBI and the Justice Department, including correspondence exchanged with Congress about the Clinton email investigation.

But in a letter sent this week and obtained by Fox News, the head of the FBI’s Records Management Division told Clevenger that the bureau has “determined you have not sufficiently demonstrated that the public’s interest in disclosure outweighs personal privacy interests of the subject.”

“Therefore, records regarding your subject are withheld pursuant to FOIA exemptions,” David M. Hardy of the FBI’s Records Management Division told Clevenger.
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Clevenger expressed disbelief at the request.

“Frankly, I am stunned I should have to explain why my request pertains to a matter of public interest,” Clevenger wrote in an Aug. 11 letter to the FBI.

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« Reply #8620 on: August 30, 2017, 10:06:51 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html
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Last weekend in Berkeley, Calif., a group of neo-communist antifa — “anti-fascist” — thugs attacked peaceful protesters at a “No to Marxism in America” rally, wielding sticks and pepper spray, and beating people with homemade shields that read (I kid you not) “No Hate.” The Post reports how one peaceful protester “was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.” Members of the Berkeley College Republicans were then stalked by antifa goons who followed them to a gas station and demanded they “get the [expletive] out” of their car, warning, “We are real hungry for supremacists and there is more of us.”

The organizer of the anti-Marxism protest is not a white supremacist. Amber Cummings is a self-described “transsexual female who embraces diversity” and had announced on Facebook that “any racist groups like the KKK [and] Neo Nazis . . . are not welcome.” The protest was needed, Cummings said, because “Berkeley is a ground zero for the Marxist Movement.”

As if to prove Cummings’s point, the antifa movement responded with jackboots and clubs — because their definition of “fascist” includes not just neo-Nazis but also anyone who opposes their totalitarian worldview.

And let’s be clear: Totalitarian is precisely what they are.
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« Reply #8623 on: August 30, 2017, 10:53:54 AM »
"Mistake" Condy Rice for Michelle Obama, brehs. :snoop
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« Reply #8624 on: August 30, 2017, 10:59:48 AM »
https://twitter.com/TrumpResponders/status/834774304092983300
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« Reply #8625 on: August 30, 2017, 11:55:49 AM »
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/antifa-mirrors-alt-right/

This piece by Chris Hedges tells some harsh truths.

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« Reply #8627 on: August 30, 2017, 01:12:53 PM »
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/antifa-mirrors-alt-right/

This piece by Chris Hedges tells some harsh truths.

I don't see the 'antifa' going around staging their own rallies to marginalize people.
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« Reply #8628 on: August 30, 2017, 01:55:55 PM »
Are you responding to the title? It is kind of crappy and Hedges may have not written it.

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« Reply #8629 on: August 30, 2017, 02:50:33 PM »
I agree with the author about the false equivalence. He does have some good points.
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« Reply #8630 on: August 30, 2017, 05:28:09 PM »
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« Reply #8631 on: August 30, 2017, 06:21:27 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/902885560552960000

All I wanna do is #MAGA :trumps

That sounded more self pity than his usual bravado. Wonder if he is salty because people are not going about national unity because he went to do a micro rally during Harvey.


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« Reply #8633 on: August 30, 2017, 07:50:53 PM »
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« Reply #8635 on: August 30, 2017, 08:48:57 PM »
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/antifa-mirrors-alt-right/

This piece by Chris Hedges tells some harsh truths.
The general thrust is sound for the most part, but the prognosis goes too far. The situation isn't ideal, sure, but it's nowhere near as bad as at the dawn of Nazi Germany. Drawing conclusions as if it were doesn't make the arguments more convincing, it's just dramatic panache. But then I have a general distaste for apocalyptic undertones and generalized arguments that ignore the scope of an issue so long as the pattern matches.

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« Reply #8636 on: August 30, 2017, 09:11:13 PM »
That was basically most of my posts on NeoGAF.com before I joined the Great One Dennis in the permabannedbeyond. Trying to explain how Weimar Germany had fallen into a low level civil war with real paramilitaries in the streets that controlled certain states, where a majority of the legislature was held by parties both anti-democratic and anti-coalition in the Nazi's and Communists, and the "legitimate" government was ruling by decree since it couldn't pass legislation, etc. In effect, Hitler "won" the civil war by being smart enough to temporarily concede to the "legitimate" government knowing it had fucked itself. (I always thought Hitler...or rather the Nazi's being sticklers for legalities to be amusing considering everything else. Especially early on. None of his peers of the era went to such lengths.)

Plus even though it's like part of his well known history, Hitler rather infamously went to jail for his shit, so did many Nazi's and Communists while the government was in theory democratic and such. The Social Democrats were as eager to use the state's forces to gain political advantage as the other two.

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« Reply #8637 on: August 30, 2017, 09:14:09 PM »
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Another CIA and FBI Operation

"Not simply for their pseudo-marxism, but also because it appears the group is a classic FBI operation right out of the pages of the COINTELPRO playbook.

In 1999 it was revealed the Red Brigades were infiltrated by Italian intelligence and operatives were the masterminds behind the murder of the former prime minister Aldo Moro in 1978. Alberto Franceschini, an imprisoned former member of the terrorist group, told L’Espresso news magazine Italian intelligence “used the Red Brigades to block Moro’s attempt to bring the Communist Party into a government of national unity.”

This is a classic example of Operation Gladio and the strategy of tension in action.

We know the CIA, MI6, NATO, and Italian intelligence were responsible for Gladio operations in Italy. This was revealed in 1984 during an investigation by Italian judge Felice Casson. After he reopened the case of a car bomb in Peteano in 1972, Casson discovered the attack was the work of the military secret service Servizio Informazioni Difesa in conjunction with Ordine Nuovo, a fascist group. The attack was blamed on the Red Brigades.

Italy was the first target after the inception of the CIA in 1947. The NSC 10/2 directive of 1948 allowed the CIA to conduct covert actions anywhere in the world.

During the trial of Vincenzo Vinciguerra it was learned that instead of a “stay behind army” to resist a Soviet invasion, Gladio was used primarily to conduct false flag terror events to be blamed on leftists and communists. Vinciguerra said the idea was to “destabilize to stabilize” and move the people toward accepting a repressive police state.

The FBI’s COINTELPRO relied on intimidation, harassment, discrediting, snitch jacketing, and infiltration of targeted political groups in the United States. Agents provocateurs exploited ideological divisions within target groups, promoted enmity with other groups, and repeatedly urged and initiated violent acts, including forceful disruptions of meetings and demonstrations, attacks on police, and bombings.

The FBI followed the advice of Tsarist police director TC Zubatov: “We shall provoke you to acts of terror and then crush you.”

The CIA also did this with its Operation CHAOS, which directly violated it charter, for what it is worth.

“In 1968, the CIA’s various domestic programs were consolidated and expanded under the name Operation CHAOS,” writes Mark Zepezauer. “When Richard Nixon became president the following year, his administration drafted the Huston Plan, which called for even greater operations against ‘subversives,’ including wiretapping, break-ins, mail-opening, no-knock searches and ‘selective assassinations.’ Bureaucratic infighting tabled the plan, but much of it was implemented in other forms, not only by the CIA but also by the FBI and the Secret Service.”

As we now know, the FBI is engaged in creating terror plots and using them to frame patsies, amounting to “a form of pre-emptory prosecution where vulnerable individuals are targeted and manipulated not for any criminal acts they have committed but rather for the bad political views they have expressed,” according to Glenn Greenwald.

It’s in the state’s best interest to stir up trouble between the so-called alt-right and its opponents on the left, especially violence-prone groups on its periphery. As the violence escalates, the state will move to further enable law enforcement to go after nonviolent and legitimate protesters and provide a rationalization for further expansion of its high-tech surveillance apparatus.

It took a formal investigation to uncover the dirty secrets of Operation Gladio. If not for activists taking files from a Philadelphia FBI office in 1971, we would not know about COINTELPRO.

So far, there is little if any solid evidence Antifa is run by the FBI or the CIA. There is, however, precedent. In the 1990s, an Antifa group was infiltrated by the British police. Additionally, the group was further radicalized by the revelations of the so-called “Grant Bristow Affair” in Canada."
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"All these so-called “Marxist” uprisings in America are purposely orchestrated by Donald Trump for the following reasons:
characterize Democrats as Marxists/socialists/communists
characterize Trump’s opponents as Marxists/socialists/communists
drum up phony patriotism for a nation which kills innocent men, women, and children overseas
set the stage for a false-flag “Antifa-led” coup against the U.S. government which will be used as a pretext for more freedom-restricting laws akin to the USA PATRIOT Act…a law which Trump has said he will use against his political enemies
further false-flag “Antifa-led” coup attempts which will result in Trump declaring martial law and the suspension of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights
characterizes anybody who protests Trump as “America haters” which makes Trump’s supporters call for restrictions against free speech"

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« Reply #8638 on: August 30, 2017, 09:26:18 PM »
That was basically most of my posts on NeoGAF.com before I joined the Great One Dennis in the permabannedbeyond. Trying to explain how Weimar Germany had fallen into a low level civil war with real paramilitaries in the streets that controlled certain states, where a majority of the legislature was held by parties both anti-democratic and anti-coalition in the Nazi's and Communists, and the "legitimate" government was ruling by decree since it couldn't pass legislation, etc. In effect, Hitler "won" the civil war by being smart enough to temporarily concede to the "legitimate" government knowing it had fucked itself. (I always thought Hitler...or rather the Nazi's being sticklers for legalities to be amusing considering everything else. Especially early on. None of his peers of the era went to such lengths.)

Plus even though it's like part of his well known history, Hitler rather infamously went to jail for his shit, so did many Nazi's and Communists while the government was in theory democratic and such. The Social Democrats were as eager to use the state's forces to gain political advantage as the other two.

That, and the Germany economy post-WWI was a complete disaster.
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« Reply #8639 on: August 30, 2017, 09:47:35 PM »
It's not my place to claim expertise, but speaking to the spirit of that article, I can't help but point out to myself that in Germany, you had an enormous level of economic depression, and a country that had very little experience or well ingrained positive culture toward democracy. A much more justifiable fear of communism, and openness to racial supremacy. Along with some other notable differences that I think make such comparisons tough to fully buy into. Because the inputs are not 1 for 1. I mean pre WWII America was not a pretty place either. Arguably a much more ripe place for fascism, and we made it out ok(though maybe only by luck depending on who you listen to).

..On the other hand, I look at what has happened post Charlottesville, with basically the entire right-wing media. Which has set out to prop up the argument the president pushed of false moral equivalency, and even worse, intentionally over-represents the violence from groups like ANTIFA, while downplaying and under representing the violence on the right. Conflating ANTIFA with BLM and the left wing protests in general. Which feeds a perception that left-wing violence is the real problem. A major problem, and you should be scared.

And if you are someone that buys into and trusts these places, then it does make sort of logical sense in that world to think that maybe extreme measures are justified in dealing with what they believe is the greatest threat(including in that basket several minority groups they do similar things to).