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benjipwns

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« Reply #8940 on: September 12, 2017, 08:17:22 PM »
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Clinton, Hillary Rodham, author.
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Clinton, Hillary.
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19 holds on first copy returned of 1 copy

990 minutes of the Queen :lawd

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« Reply #8941 on: September 12, 2017, 08:34:59 PM »
990 minutes of the Queen

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« Reply #8942 on: September 12, 2017, 09:52:59 PM »
Since Jack isn't doing his job right now, I'll let The Onion fill the void:

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What Happened, a new memoir detailing the trials and tribulations of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, was released today, with Clinton supporters and detractors already divided on its contents. Here are some of Hillary’s bombshell revelations:

-Never really understood what the “H” arrow campaign logo was going for

-Respected her opponent Bernie Sanders but simply believed a presidential election is not the time to push progressive policies

-Still receives fan mail from little girls asking for her advice on how to appeal to wealthy centrists

-Regrets not killing James Comey

-Briefly toyed with the idea of campaigning under the pseudonym H.R. Clemens to avoid misogynist critics

-Concedes that she might be partially responsible for 15 months’ worth of her actions, words, and policies on the campaign trail

-Quietly ran for president in 2012

-A 45-page diatribe excoriates DNC intern Jason Whitcomb for his failure to stuff election mailers correctly

-Calls Donald Trump “creepy” but admits he can throw one hell of a wedding

-Has clearly already forgotten who her VP pick was
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« Reply #8943 on: September 13, 2017, 12:03:54 AM »
I love that Clinton is already back in the news, selling books, doing interviews, attacking Bernie. I hope she stays in the news well into 2018.

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« Reply #8944 on: September 13, 2017, 12:19:12 AM »

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« Reply #8945 on: September 13, 2017, 12:26:53 AM »
Guess we don't need that boogie gif anymore to post in every thread. :doge

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« Reply #8947 on: September 13, 2017, 03:17:23 AM »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/how-omarosa-became-the-most-despised-person-in-the-trump-white-house

 :whoo :lawd :aah

So she is Trump's black friend?

Seems that the pattern for earning  Trump respect is a mix of  insanity with being an asshole ass licker.

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« Reply #8948 on: September 13, 2017, 09:59:04 AM »
990 Minutes of King of Queens

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« Reply #8949 on: September 13, 2017, 11:10:42 PM »
you don't know jack

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« Reply #8950 on: September 14, 2017, 02:24:04 AM »
how are sll of those gaf dipshits who were calling for Pelosi's head for the past two days looking now?

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« Reply #8951 on: September 14, 2017, 03:36:29 AM »
So Hill dawg really missed the point of Orwell's 1984.
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« Reply #8952 on: September 14, 2017, 11:42:17 AM »
According to Trump's twitter this morning, EVERYBODY KNOWS that Dreamers are super-good you guys and and THE WALL™ is now just "renovation to the existing fences". :trumps
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« Reply #8953 on: September 14, 2017, 12:22:43 PM »


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« Reply #8954 on: September 14, 2017, 03:30:12 PM »
It's pretty crazy to me that Trump is ready to throw his base in the bushes and cut a deal with Democrats over DACA. I mean, it's not really that I'm that surprised by it, because Trump is very erratic, really angry at Republican, and may still pull the plug on this whole thing, but that he's even contemplating this at all is so strange and I don't understand what he thinks he's personally going to get out of it.
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« Reply #8955 on: September 14, 2017, 07:43:03 PM »
He's just looking for a win, breh.

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« Reply #8956 on: September 14, 2017, 08:10:53 PM »
It's pretty crazy to me that Trump is ready to throw his base in the bushes and cut a deal with Democrats over DACA. I mean, it's not really that I'm that surprised by it, because Trump is very erratic, really angry at Republican, and may still pull the plug on this whole thing, but that he's even contemplating this at all is so strange and I don't understand what he thinks he's personally going to get out of it.

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« Reply #8957 on: September 14, 2017, 08:18:56 PM »
Can't you see? You and I, we are all the wall, friends. Trump was too good for this world.  :salute

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« Reply #8958 on: September 14, 2017, 08:42:17 PM »
EMAILS WITH JACK, spoilered for everyone's convenience:
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Worthy how? Worthy of what kind of investigation?

.... So basically what the State Department Inspector General ended up doing anyway, but with the scope increased ever so slightly.
That's what I meant by an investigation of some kind, with the scope expansion maybe being informing a relevant committee of Congress on it until anything of importance was found. State was already doing it. I'd have to actually go back and look up why the FBI ever got involved in this as I don't remember at this point.

Part of what I was arguing was to abstract it away from Hillary's and the case specifics and just take the base information about a Secretary of State solely using a private e-mail server under her sole physical possession, you don't have to add anything else to the story to make it worthy because that alone does. Then once you start adding in all the things that can add innuendo and/or Crooked Hillary angles or whatever to it, then you've got a stew going.

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If you really want to get ambitious you could maybe launch an investigation into whether the setup was put in place intentionally to skirt FOIA, but I'm not even sure that's justified
You can't because denial is defense in this case. Avoiding FOIA intentionally is in an incredible grey area legally to where you could murder Seth Rich to avoid FOIA and that'd only be useful for prosecutors as motive to the murder.

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I know "probable cause" doesn't really apply here, but there really ought to be some kind of equivalent of probable cause before launching any kind of big internal investigation like that.
Welcome to Administrative Due Process, Jack.

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You dismissed Powell as a false equivalence, but I really don't see how that's the case. He "stored" all his unclassified govt communications on an AOL server, if we want to apply the same ridiculous framing that right-wing tards used on the Clinton server. The only real difference seems to be that he didn't send nearly as many emails. But volume of emails is a completely insignificant factor. It was either okay, or it wasn't, and whether you send 1,000 or 30,000 emails in 4 years doesn't change that. If it wasn't a big deal for Powell, well then...
I had thought Powell had two sets of e-mails he was using but I guess I confused him with yet another person who was doing this same thing but did maintain the two separate e-mails. After reading two articles on what came out about Powell I agree with you on the false equivalency point but disagree obviously with the end determination and agree more with Representative Lynch:
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The senior State Department official testifying at the hearing, Under Secretary for Management Patrick Kennedy, said he was not aware that Powell had used personal electronic devices in the secure office spaces at State, but might not have been aware since Kennedy was not in his current job then.

Asked if his predecessor would have allowed Powell to use a personal device in the secure area, Kennedy said: "He would not have."

Kennedy said State asked Powell for all official records in his possession but was told he no longer has access to his emails from that era, which were stored in an America Online account.

Democrats said State should press AOL directly for the Powell records, as officials at the National Archives suggested, but Kennedy said State's lawyers had concluded that would be improper.

"We cannot make a request for someone else's records from their providers. That request has to be made by them," Kennedy said.

Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) seemed exasperated with that answer, saying State should have pressed harder.
Powell doing it with AOL makes it more imperative for State to prevent future Secretary of State's from doing it, especially on a server they alone have physical possession of.

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So yeah, I'm still extremely frustrated with how the media covered this issue, because it really prevented the Democrats from running any kind of actual campaign on actual issues, and that was really one of the greatest collective failures of our time.
But again this does seem to fall into what was Hillary's overall strategy of not crushing things when they popped up and instead ignoring them which led to letting them fester. She could have nipped it in the bud much earlier, like she could have Bernie and Trump and so on but she always wanted to ignore them.

The Benghazi hearing was the one instance where she did that and that's because she was forced to and it rather effectively did kill it for both the media and GOP to where they had to go elsewhere including the e-mails. Even Trump seemed to half-heartedly bring it up as just an item on his laundry list of why she sucked. The Benghazi Wife and Dude at the convention fell flat even among the Republican Media outside of Hannity.

The e-mail thing was in the end even better because Hillary had destroyed her records which meant until Judicial Watch's lawsuits could wring them out of State it left her defenseless and drug the whole thing out as it had to go through the legal system. Look at the damage done to the story when State finally did dump a batch of the e-mails which had almost nothing of value in it and they had to fall back on "it must be in the unreleased stuff!" When the delays kicked in again they were able to fan those flames.

To take an even stupider story, the speeches. She eventually released some of them and the story now had the problem of the boring boilerplate speeches rather than the sinister secret promises she was making at dinners that someone could record like they did to Romney. But before that they tried to handwave it away and stonewall, which was far better for the narrative that Bernie supporters and others were trying to make out of them.

It probably isn't fair, but politics is never fair. Hillary's standard response to ball up like being attacked by a bear has hurt her for decades and this cycle she assembled a team full of people who repeated that strategy back to her.

That's not Bill's way (which is why they often refused to do it) nor is it Trump's way, and both of them are far more successful at killing worse stories because they plow through them as how they want the story to be and set people against one another. That's what Trump's "both sides are violent" deal was about, to change the story into what he'd rather it be about. Worked much better for him than his initial going silent version.
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« Reply #8959 on: September 14, 2017, 09:14:00 PM »
So Hill dawg really missed the point of Orwell's 1984.

She hit it on the fucking head. What are you even talking about?



I haven't read the book so maybe it makes sense in context, but saying 1984 is about the bad leaders trying to make you not trust the good leaders seems like a pretty colossal misreading. Also Trump using his weird charisma to tap into the id of your average Republican is quite different than an authoritarian regime using force to impose beliefs on a helpless populace. These people already held racist beliefs, they didn't need Trump to come along and force them on them. But you can't really fault Hillary for shoehorning in a 1984 reference when everybody in the country constantly references that fucking book because it's one of the two or three novels they've actually read in their lifetime.

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« Reply #8960 on: September 14, 2017, 09:16:51 PM »
this is why Hillary lost, that should totally be "THERE. ARE. FOUR. LIGHTS." instead of some lame BOOK written by a socialist reference

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« Reply #8961 on: September 14, 2017, 09:17:47 PM »
https://verrit.com/every-major-media-narrative-about-2016-is-demonstrably-false/

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A number of false and destructive narratives have taken hold about the most consequential election in modern history. Among them, that Hillary Clinton is solely to blame for Donald Trump’s presidency; that no one else bears any responsibility; that she was a “flawed” candidate running against the weakest candidate in history; and that the race was run on a level playing field. In fact, the opposite is true.

Following are 15 fake narratives about 2016 that dominate U.S. political discourse. One of Verrit’s central objectives is to debunk these myths and provide an accurate version of events. We must get 2016 right if we care about the future of our democracy. We can only avoid repeating the same terrible mistakes by learning the correct lessons, not by lying to ourselves and to future generations about what happened.

-Peter Daou

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Thank you Peter for your thorough analysis. I pray every day they find evidence of vote tampering/flipping so that they can #Nullify2016

Much of America owes Hillary a huge apology.

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« Reply #8962 on: September 14, 2017, 09:28:50 PM »
The existence of breathing living presumably not fake Peter Daou fans is one of the most disturbing things about 2017.

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« Reply #8963 on: September 14, 2017, 09:35:29 PM »
Remember that time when Hilary Clinton lured a bunch of children into the sewers and then she turned into a giant flesh-eating spider, an approximated by the feeble earthly minds unable to truly perceive the ancient cosmic evil? What a trip.

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« Reply #8964 on: September 14, 2017, 09:36:06 PM »
The existence of breathing living presumably not fake Peter Daou fans is one of the most disturbing things about 2017.
The idea of a massive network of sockpuppet accounts that are all Peter Daou including his wife. :lawd

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« Reply #8965 on: September 14, 2017, 09:39:00 PM »
Is kind of telling how hard she deflected when Ezra commented this:

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But is it possible to be too realistic about the forces arrayed against change, about the institutional constraints against change in the American political system — so realistic that you miss openings, so realistic that it’s hard to inspire people, so focused on constraints that your idea of what’s possible actually begins limiting what’s possible?

No U the press seems missing the point.


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« Reply #8966 on: September 14, 2017, 09:41:46 PM »
The existence of breathing living presumably not fake Peter Daou fans is one of the most disturbing things about 2017.
The idea of a massive network of sockpuppet accounts that are all Peter Daou including his wife. :lawd

Like the end of the third Matrix when it was nothing but Agent Smith clones?

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« Reply #8967 on: September 14, 2017, 09:56:47 PM »
The main point of that passage, as I read it, is that right wing media is basically running an alternate reality conditioning program on their audience, except the audience eats it up willingly.

Basically, "There are four fingers."
"Fuck yeah there are, MAGA!"

Trump, who warps reality around him like he's Franklin Richards, is just the end point of the last two decades of anti-reality conditioning.

I honestly don't see a problem with the Orwellian reference. The ONLY difference is that Trump's audience eats it up instead of having it beaten into them. And that is a key difference, but a lot of the point still carries over.

Did you miss the part were they were beaten so hard that they end eaten it willingly?

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« Reply #8968 on: September 14, 2017, 09:59:55 PM »
Russian alt-right stooge marching orders against the Queen coming in:
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Despite being illuminating, Klein’s discussion with Clinton contains a glaring though quite common omission: There is not a word about the role of foreign policy and endless war during the entire hour. While some of this may be attributable to Klein’s perfectly valid journalistic focus on domestic policies, such as health care, a huge factor in Clinton’s political career and how she is perceived — as a senator and especially as secretary of state — is her advocacy of multiple wars and other military actions, many, if not all, of which were rather disastrous, rendering it quite strange to spend an hour discussing why she lost without so much as mentioning any of that.

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These warnings — about the efficacy of Trump’s attacks on America’s bipartisan posture of Endless War — largely fell on deaf ears. Clinton continued to defend the virtues of her record of militarism, and even now, those topics are excluded almost completely from discussions of why Clinton lost.
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Clinton was uniquely ill-suited to channel this widespread sentiment given that she has vocally supported almost every proposed U.S. war and military intervention over the last 20 years (including ones Obama rejected in places such as Syria and Ukraine and, of course, Iraq). For that reason, she was one of the leading symbols of war and militarism, perhaps its most potent one, and Trump — however deceitful and cynical it might have been — positioned himself as her opposite.

From these premises, the authors argue that had the U.S. fought fewer wars, or at least experienced fewer casualties, Clinton would have won those three states and thus won the election
This wasn't included in the 15 myths that Peter debunked thoroughly so I have to assume he's got a larger Verrit entry specifically exposing the traitorous actions of Glenn Greenwald planned.


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« Reply #8970 on: September 14, 2017, 10:04:08 PM »
https://verrit.com/hillary-clinton-and-her-voters-refuse-to-be-silenced/


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When Hillary Clinton endorsed Verrit, the media platform I created for her voters—and anyone who shares their values—it unleashed a furious response from forces in the mainstream media, the right, and the fringe left who want to silence her and silence you. They threw everything at us. And they failed.

We won’t be deterred from standing up and speaking out. We won’t stop building Verrit as a source of trusted information – and as a community free of harassment and hate. The more they tell us to “shut up and go away,” the more they should know we’re here to stay.

This is the reality the political world will have to face: Hillary Clinton’s post-election coalition is taking shape and it will be a force to be reckoned with.

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Amber Tamblyn ✔@ambertamblyn
Morning! Hillary Clinton can write whatever she wants about whoever she wants and be as angry as she wants to.

Sit down, Patriarchy.
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The sexist treatment of Hillary over her book is infuriating. I want to read what she has to say. We need her insight into what happened.
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Hillary said this perfectly. I'm so glad she's still giving us a voice. I'm so glad she refuses to be silent. Because it validates US.
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Shannon Watts ✔@shannonrwatts
My fondest hope is that Hillary Clinton will announce a national arena tour today that will last until the midterms.
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« Reply #8971 on: September 14, 2017, 10:06:43 PM »
No. I mean they eat it up willingly from the very beginning.

Quit being a dick.

I mean, Trump's handlers are very clearly running a campaign against reality. The paranoid conspiracy theorist in me is concerned that they might not be the only ones.

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« Reply #8972 on: September 14, 2017, 10:12:09 PM »
https://verrit.com/hillary-clinton-and-her-voters-refuse-to-be-silenced/
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When Hillary Clinton endorsed Verrit, the media platform I created for her voters—and anyone who shares their values—it unleashed a furious response from forces in the mainstream media, the right, and the fringe left who want to silence her and silence you. They threw everything at us. And they failed.

We won’t be deterred from standing up and speaking out. We won’t stop building Verrit as a source of trusted information – and as a community free of harassment and hate. The more they tell us to “shut up and go away,” the more they should know we’re here to stay.

This is the reality the political world will have to face: Hillary Clinton’s post-election coalition is taking shape and it will be a force to be reckoned with.

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Amber Tamblyn ✔@ambertamblyn
Morning! Hillary Clinton can write whatever she wants about whoever she wants and be as angry as she wants to.

Sit down, Patriarchy.
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The sexist treatment of Hillary over her book is infuriating. I want to read what she has to say. We need her insight into what happened.
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Hillary said this perfectly. I'm so glad she's still giving us a voice. I'm so glad she refuses to be silent. Because it validates US.
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My fondest hope is that Hillary Clinton will announce a national arena tour today that will last until the midterms.
:rejoice

But... But... She just not admitted she likes the moderates darlings as she prefers when the political climate is center right and center left?

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« Reply #8973 on: September 14, 2017, 10:13:27 PM »
But... But... She just not admitted she likes the moderates darlings as she prefers when the political climate is center right and center left?

Slow down there kiddo, let uncle Jack Clintonsplain you why you wrong.

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« Reply #8974 on: September 14, 2017, 10:17:47 PM »
No. I mean they eat it up willingly from the very beginning.

Quit being a dick.

Is this really the fire you want to die in?

Really?
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« Reply #8975 on: September 14, 2017, 11:20:50 PM »
No. I mean they eat it up willingly from the very beginning.

Quit being a dick.

I mean, Trump's handlers are very clearly running a campaign against reality. The paranoid conspiracy theorist in me is concerned that they might not be the only ones.

Well no. You also have the entire Republican establishment, Randroids, people who think they'll get policy changes by having college kids demonstrate outside Mitch McConnell's office, people who think running a primary campaign against Joe Manchin is a good way to advance progressive policy, etc.

Everyone but her. #shepersisted

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« Reply #8976 on: September 15, 2017, 01:35:27 AM »
I can't even tell who's angry at who over what at this point in the thread. :trumps
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« Reply #8977 on: September 15, 2017, 02:10:40 AM »
I can't even tell who's angry at who over what at this point in the thread. :trumps


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« Reply #8978 on: September 15, 2017, 06:28:33 AM »
*puts on Apprentice watcher hat of shame*

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In a way, yes, he has this thing where he either plays dumb or speaks before really thinking but doesn't back off of it until he wears down everyone else to accept his view. And he says everything in the same tone with the same inflection so it's impossible to know if he's joking, which he actually doesn't do often outside of that everyone in the room enjoys humor that's not really funny but he's the boss and stuff. He's done this on twitter all the time for years now, just random off the cuff thoughts based on like what he just saw on TV or out his window, it's why I declared him Twitter Champion once before he ran for President. Because he'd just ignore all the shit fired back at him and sometimes even find the ONE person who backed him up and retweet them which would start a whole new round of people losing their shit. :lol

He's a really weird guy though. Like not even when he wasn't in the position he is now it was never endearing, and on the show after the first couple seasons as he assumed more and more power over how it worked and how decisions were made it started to come out more and more that he operated in very strange ways. Early on, the first couple seasons probably, he looked at things like the results of the task, the views of the sponsors and his viceroys who were present and he took it more of a serious weighing of facts before deciding unless something happened like say, somebody waiving their immunity, which he would immediately jump on as a larger picture blunder beyond the task itself. He also was much lower key, not bombastic, listened, etc. But once he discovered that he got more attention for shit stirring it became more and more about that, to where the Celebrity version was entirely him attempting to start drama between the contestants and constantly baiting everyone.

Then when you had a wave who had watched the show in Adam Carolla, Penn, Dee Snyder, Arsenio Hall, Rodman, Tom Green, Lil Jon*, etc. that were refusing to play along because they could see exactly what Trump was trying to do it would piss him off even more. Whereas the womens teams would usually fight on the drop of a hat.

His weirdness came out increasingly as the show shifted to where he was the star and center of everything (like pushing out actual executives and NBC sponsors for his family and friends or his own brand stuff) and the contestants had to kiss his ass and praise him more and more. But because his opinion of someone could shift suddenly it drove some people crazy while others knew that either because they were Trump's friend or were ignoring him or knew how to direct him to someone else they'd move forward.

Jesse James who was married to Sandra Bullock at the time was trying to play the game on his own, doing the tasks, using his own contacts, etc. and finally Trump asked "why haven't you called up your wife and get her to call her friends and destroy everyone with a donation??? She's more famous than anyone on the show! She's super rich!" And James said he was trying to save that for the finale and Trump was like "well, you're not making it because of your stupidity in not tapping that resource before then." Of course, as should be obvious, Trump would then chastise others for calling in their big guns too early and not having money for further in the competition. :lol

I have to imagine this is exactly how he was managing the White House, with Bannon encouraging it, until someone or a group exploited Trump's one weakness, the fact that he listens to military dudes almost without disagreement. In one of the Apprentice regular people seasons when he found out the one guy was an Army Ranger he suddenly stopped criticizing him and dude swept in to win the season. (Though he was probably the best anyway.) And John Kelly obviously fits that mold. Maybe it's Trump's time at military academy boarding school along with his having missed Vietnam, I dunno. (Amusingly, Trump's avoidance of Vietnam was more legitimate than Dick Cheney's for example. Not to mention plenty of other politicians. He got called and reported but was by all accounts legitimately injured in his foot at the time so he was sent back in the pile and lucked out by pulling a high number the next time. But he still hates people bringing it up.)

Plus like what hobbies does he have? Golf, which doesn't count because he's an old white guy with money, though apparently he's actually pretty good. He legitimately has enjoyed professional wrestling since he was a kid and before he ever met Vince McMahon was a fan of WWF. He's a longtime Howard Stern fan which is why he went on there all the time. He's been reported to actually be interested in pageants, he enjoys the whole routine, beyond trying to sleep with everyone. He doesn't drink alcohol, tea, coffee, etc. He actually loves all that fast food, it's not pandering. He likes the big sports. He's a germaphobe.

Now you take all those and they're not really weird until you put them in a billionaire. Then it seems really weird, and when he's also a politician now? When he's getting involved in WWF or Howard Stern and stuff it's because of who he is, Donald Trump, but he's really an elevated superfan and it's the same way with the politicos. He's going on Alex Jones and Hannity because those are the guys he likes, and that seems okay, but he's a billionaire running for President and it's weird again. Especially when he's trying to be the star and indulges them in their lunacy which he may or may not support outside of being SUPERFAN again.

On Celebrity Apprentice you could see him legitimately seem let down by some of the now washed up celebs not being how he imagined them. And it was believable when he said he was a big big fan of whoever because he'd give em a few extra passes often. And he probably when he started talking to GOPers in 2012 started to have the same impressions. Jeb!, Christie, etc. were all letting him down just like Romney.

So you've got the superfan who is bypassing all the normal paths to everything including Presidential politics because of who he is, so he never goes through taking all the lumps like Jeb! did for decades. He's not used to things getting in his way or slowing him down. And he has no use for any of the institutions constructed that existed before him. And he changes his mind constantly and makes shit up as he goes because he's rarely in positions where that hurts him.

His headspace is a very different place from most celebrity billionaires and now Presidents which makes everything he does and says come off even weirder. It's part of why I think some of the hysteria over his every statement is from people too used to looking for subtext or messaging, when we have a guy who fires and hires people because of how they appear on TV. And often creates a statement as he's saying it and has to be talked down into making a more standard political statement rather than his instinct to just plow ahead ignoring everyone else and do whatever's next.

Democrats in Congress have seemed to figure this out faster than the Congressional GOP leadership. (Pence seems to be doing okay inside the White House.) They played to his whole deal-maker fantasies and used stuff he doesn't care about.

*secret Apprentice All-Star, totally one of the smartest people I've ever seen in action on a reality show and would just dominate because he was underestimated (but mainly he never broke the lone Apprentice rule that's across all the versions, LISTEN TO THE CLIENT), and this was while Trump was apparently constantly calling him an Uncle Tom off camera :lol
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« Reply #8979 on: September 15, 2017, 06:39:23 AM »
but seriously talk about making a post that makes you want to tell yourself to DIAF

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« Reply #8980 on: September 15, 2017, 10:36:10 AM »
Remember that time when Hilary Clinton lured a bunch of children into the sewers and then she turned into a giant flesh-eating spider, an approximated by the feeble earthly minds unable to truly perceive the ancient cosmic evil? What a trip.

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« Reply #8981 on: September 15, 2017, 12:16:56 PM »
Trump can only see things in a binary nature. So, it's no surprise that different categories of hurricanes were a foreign concept to him. That would be nuance.




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« Reply #8982 on: September 15, 2017, 12:52:22 PM »
I'm not sure which is more concerning, Jack voting or Benji voting.
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« Reply #8983 on: September 15, 2017, 01:03:34 PM »
voting :donot

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« Reply #8984 on: September 15, 2017, 03:16:44 PM »
I'm not sure which is more concerning, Jack voting or Benji voting.

A disgruntled, high-info D voter, a wacky high-info libertarian voter... what you should be concerned about is the half dozen low info voters in this thread.

No one in this thread is a low info voter. People that pay cursory attention and basically just vote due to tribal allegiances are low info voters. The ones that can be manipulated into voting for your side are great, the ones that can't suck, but it's the high info lunatics on either side (or the ones that intentionally sit outside of the traditional D-R binary choice wearing Nick Gillespie's leather Fonzie jacket and reading old copies of Reason to convince the world they're cooler than all that) that have actual passion that will be the death of me one day.

GO TO WAR AND DIE ON A HILL MADE OF HILLARY 2016 CAMPAIGN SWAG, BREHS

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MAKE 5 LENGTHY SEQUENTIAL SHITPOSTS WITH POSSIBLY 4 PERTINENT SENTENCES AMONG THEM, BREHS
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« Reply #8985 on: September 15, 2017, 03:17:27 PM »
Basically, STOP CARING AND PUTTING EFFORT INTO THINGS
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| DIAF
« Reply #8986 on: September 15, 2017, 03:18:30 PM »
A stance that I can respect.  :preach

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| DIAF
« Reply #8987 on: September 15, 2017, 04:01:28 PM »
I like turtles

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« Reply #8988 on: September 15, 2017, 05:02:37 PM »
"effort"? is that spanish? :doge
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« Reply #8989 on: September 15, 2017, 07:09:03 PM »
No one in this thread is a low info voter. People that pay cursory attention and basically just vote due to tribal allegiances are low info voters. The ones that can be manipulated into voting for your side are great, the ones that can't suck, but it's the high info lunatics on either side (or the ones that intentionally sit outside of the traditional D-R binary choice wearing Nick Gillespie's leather Fonzie jacket and reading old copies of Reason to convince the world they're cooler than all that) that have actual passion that will be the death of me one day.

GO TO WAR AND DIE ON A HILL MADE OF HILLARY 2016 CAMPAIGN SWAG, BREHS

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MAKE 5 LENGTHY SEQUENTIAL SHITPOSTS WITH POSSIBLY 4 PERTINENT SENTENCES AMONG THEM, BREHS
Basically, STOP CARING AND PUTTING EFFORT INTO THINGS

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« Reply #8990 on: September 15, 2017, 07:12:27 PM »
a wacky high-info libertarian voter
(or the ones that intentionally sit outside of the traditional D-R binary choice wearing Nick Gillespie's leather Fonzie jacket and reading old copies of Reason to convince the world they're cooler than all that) that have actual passion
why u guys gotta keep viciously slandering me like this

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« Reply #8991 on: September 15, 2017, 07:27:50 PM »
dem feels when it's like you don't constantly lengthy shitpost on a wide variety of topics with multiple posts yet creepy-senpai-san only notices the political topic shitposts in the politics thread :fbm

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be able to get all those garbage posts from just the last two weeks brehs :doge
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« Reply #8992 on: September 15, 2017, 07:31:30 PM »
gonna start my own verrit-style safe space with hookers and blackjack...

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« Reply #8993 on: September 15, 2017, 07:51:43 PM »
I like turtles

Here's my long thesis post for why vanilla milkshakes are clearly superior to turtles, pleb.

I will not let this go in the coming months.

MILKSHAKE DUCK!!!

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« Reply #8994 on: September 15, 2017, 08:26:54 PM »
dem feels when it's like you don't constantly lengthy shitpost on a wide variety of topics with multiple posts yet creepy-senpai-san only notices the political topic shitposts in the politics thread :fbm

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« Reply #8995 on: September 15, 2017, 09:44:15 PM »
dem feels when it's like you don't constantly lengthy shitpost on a wide variety of topics with multiple posts yet creepy-senpai-san only notices the political topic shitposts in the politics thread :fbm

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ay I love your long ass shitposts bb

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« Reply #8997 on: September 16, 2017, 02:13:29 AM »
MY GOLF TRIP JUST GOT 10 HOLES LONGER
:trumps :trumps :trumps
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« Reply #8998 on: September 16, 2017, 02:43:28 AM »
The presidential "vacation" obsession is probably the most successful thing the White House press corp has ever accomplished, turning their personal complaints about their job into an "issue" for opposing partisans to use for manufactured phony outrage...which the press corp can then write about!



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« Reply #8999 on: September 16, 2017, 03:24:49 AM »
I care very little about Trump's vacations, simply because the less he's involved in policy, the better I feel.
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