US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Makai]

Trump has been insistent that the bill be called “The Cut Cut Cut Act.”

[benjipwns]

Well, at least he didn't have Ed Boon name it.

[thehunter116]

*looks over at thehunter116*

thehunter116 is a terrific poster who makes good contributions.

the Jackest post.

i mean at least I'm not etoliet or dubya.

I'd rather not be a basic bitch.

Elatiote and Jaydubya are at least way more civilized than you two fucking troglodytes. You two constantly post like you're going to snap and have a mental breakdown aaaaaaaany moment now. I mean, hell, I'm overtly critical even contemptuous against other ideologies too but at least  try to communicate with people instead of shouting at them on the internet.

I can have civil conversation. Just don't be a basic bitch and say Russia is a nonstory/fake news. Or be a Trump fan.

I don't post here to be civil to Trump fans kiddo.

[Phoenix Dark]

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/prosecutors-consider-bringing-charges-in-dnc-hacking-case-1509618203

Bububu

[benjipwns]

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.
By DONNA BRAZILE | November 02, 2017

I had to keep my promise to Bernie. I was in agony as I dialed him. Keeping this secret was against everything that I stood for, all that I valued as a woman and as a public servant.

“Hello, senator. I’ve completed my review of the DNC and I did find the cancer,” I said. “But I will not kill the patient.”

I discussed the fundraising agreement that each of the candidates had signed. Bernie was familiar with it, but he and his staff ignored it. They had their own way of raising money through small donations. I described how Hillary’s campaign had taken it another step.

I told Bernie I had found Hillary’s Joint Fundraising Agreement. I explained that the cancer was that she had exerted this control of the party long before she became its nominee. Had I known this, I never would have accepted the interim chair position, but here we were with only weeks before the election.

Bernie took this stoically. He did not yell or express outrage. Instead he asked me what I thought Hillary’s chances were. The polls were unanimous in her winning but what, he wanted to know, was my own assessment?

I had to be frank with him. I did not trust the polls, I said. I told him I had visited states around the country and I found a lack of enthusiasm for her everywhere. I was concerned about the Obama coalition and about millennials.

I urged Bernie to work as hard as he could to bring his supporters into the fold with Hillary, and to campaign with all the heart and hope he could muster. He might find some of her positions too centrist, and her coziness with the financial elites distasteful, but he knew and I knew that the alternative was a person who would put the very future of the country in peril. I knew he heard me. I knew he agreed with me, but I never in my life had felt so tiny and powerless as I did making that call.

When I hung up the call to Bernie, I started to cry, not out of guilt, but out of anger. We would go forward. We had to.

Thankfully, the Berniebros have forgiven her, oops:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Carlos Eduardo Oliver · Washington, District of Columbia
I have a hard time believing Donna Brazile's word. She's part of the cancer and she DID cheat for Hillary in the debates. She's trying to wash her hands, throw Obama under the bus, and pass her herself as an angel amongst demons...but she's no angel

Robert Hewitt
But you cheated FOR Hillary.

David Kramer · Cleveland, Ohio
They’re all swimming in the cesspool. Donna just needed a few million more bucks to keep vacationing in Martha’s Vineyards.

Gina Coyle · Co Owner at Coyle Realty, Inc.
No, it was included. Happened AFTER her phone call to Bernie. What drivel! She's caught on tape lying, caught passing the debate questions to HRC, she now comes out like an angel. I do wonder what the financial state of the DNC is in now?

Dorothy Cohen · Harwich, Massachusetts
You know what really go to me? When she called him she basically told him "I found the cancer but I will not kill the patient" In other words, she figured out Hillary's campaign was down and dirty, but I'm not ratting her out because she's our choice. She might as well have told him to run along and find the nearest bus to get thrown under.

Dorothy Cohen · Harwich, Massachusetts
After reading what I've always suspected, I am proud to say my primary votes were for Bernie Sanders and presidential vote for Jill Stein. I have never felt the need to shower after casting those two ballots.

[close]

[Joe Molotov]

Boy, I know I'll never get tired of hearing about the 2016 Election. When does What Happened 2: The Happening drop?

[benjipwns]

Boy, I know I'll never get tired of hearing about the 2016 Election. When does What Happened 2: The Happening drop?

I'm hearing you loud and clear Joe:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-democratic-civil-war-is-getting-nasty-even-if-no-one-is-paying-attention

But, when I arrived at the townhouse of Stanley Greenberg, the veteran Democratic strategist, on Capitol Hill, later that morning, it was not the distractions of the Trump White House that had him worked up. Greenberg was still fuming about Hillary Clinton.

Clinton was guilty of “malpractice” in how she conducted her 2016 Presidential campaign, Greenberg told me. Even worse, he said, Democrats were repeating the same political mistakes a year later. “Look at Virginia right now,” Greenberg said, as soon as we sat down in his second-floor office. “We have a candidate”—Ralph Northam, the Democratic gubernatorial nominee—“running as Hillary Clinton. He is running on the same kind of issues, and has the same kind of view of the world. It’s the Republicans who talk about the economy, not the Democrats.” This was the approach that doomed Clinton against Trump. The electorate was angry in 2016 and remains angry now, Greenberg said, and Northam, a Norfolk doctor, didn’t get it. Neither did Clinton and the team of Obama veterans who staffed her Brooklyn headquarters. “If you live in the metro areas with the élites, you don’t wake up angry about what’s happening in people’s lives,” Greenberg said.

His rant was notable for a variety of reasons, not least because Greenberg was the pollster who helped Bill Clinton win the White House in 1992, and he has been a participant in every Democratic nominee’s Presidential campaign since, including Hillary Clinton’s. His criticism illuminates an urgent question for the Democratic Party, not just in next week’s governor’s race in Virginia but in the midterm elections of 2018 and beyond. Could Trump, as deeply polarizing and unpopular as he is, even be reëlected?

Greenberg and other prominent Democrats still furious about last year’s Clinton campaign think it’s entirely possible, unless the Party figures out, and fast, a way to tackle the problem that sealed Clinton’s fate in 2016: how to appeal to the disaffected white working-class voters who provided Trump’s unlikely win a year ago.

“That debate,” Greenberg told me, “which would have been pushed off had she won, is immediate.”

For months, Greenberg has been stewing over how Clinton conducted her campaign, and he finally unloaded, in The American Prospect, a small-circulation progressive journal founded back on the eve of Bill Clinton’s Presidency. Greenberg’s critical assessment—in the form of a book review of “Shattered,” the best-selling insider account of the Clinton campaign, published earlier this year—came out in September and drew relatively little notice. But here was Bill Clinton’s pollster accusing Hillary Clinton’s campaign of strategic errors, mismanagement, and failure to heed the advice of him and others to appeal to the Party’s traditional working-class voters in the Midwest. Compounding the errors, Clinton’s team conducted no state polls in the final three weeks of the campaign, relying instead on flawed data analytics to predict turnout and the vote. As a result, it didn’t even know that final disaster loomed. “Malpractice and arrogance contributed mightily to the election of Donald Trump,” Greenberg concluded.

This was, I realized, one of the hidden stories of the 2016 election.

In the wake of Trump’s win, it’s easy to blame Hillary Clinton for being a flawed candidate with a tin ear for politics. Or to rationalize Trump’s unexpected victory as an accident of history. But I haven’t talked with a single Democrat or independent analyst who doesn’t think that the Party remains in serious danger of another electoral catastrophe.

[Human Snorenado]

Donna Brazille could be working towards the only thing that matters: putting Dems back in power and saving the country from a bunch of racist nihilist assholes.

Instead she's selling books and collecting appearance fees for morning shows. #priorities

[Brehvolution]

Word filter Election 2016 to It's Chinatown.

[kingv]

The Hillary victory fund was pretty well known during the primary. I’m not sure why Donna Brazile acts like she discovered it.

People were saying it was unfair in like April or March of 2016. I think somecalled it “money laundering” (its not) and some state parties complained that it didn’t really help them much because 90% of the funds ended up got no to Hillarys campaign.

It was kind of scummy though, IMO and it’s unusual to set that up prior to winning the primary. It dsgould have never happened. But DWS was incompetent, and Obama, for all his personal charms was not very good for the party as a whole. He was good at campaigning for himself, and that’s about it.

Also, no discussion on the republican tax “plan” which doesn’t seem to actually be a plan yet. It’s just a set of policy priorities, with nothin set on where the rates are set. The deduction changes won’t screw me over too badly, I don’t think. But it’s hard to say. Needless to say I don’t think I’ll see a huge tax cut.

[agrajag]

wasn't Dona Brazile the one who helped Hillary cheat on a test?

[Mr. Gundam]

I'm glad the DNC takes this time to ignore the most visibly incompetent president of the modern era and fight amongst themselves.

And some of us are still trying to fight amongst ourselves.

[Optimus]

I'm glad the DNC takes this time to ignore the most visibly incompetent president of the modern era and fight amongst themselves.

Yes, because one thing you can definitely accuse DNC of is not obsessing enough with Trump. Yeah, why fix their own incompetence and corruption when they can talk about TRUMP DRAMA #86945.

[Phoenix Dark]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

[kingv]

They just released the tax brackets. It’s actually a pretty big cut.

The CBO score for this will be atrocious. 12% on AGI up to 90k for joint filers.

So my family makes about $130k all in.

Take $24K out for standard deduction. Then about another $15k for property taxes and 401k and mortgage interest. So I’ll pay a rate of 12% on the rest for an effective rate of 8%.

And that’s assuming that they get rid of deductions for HSA, health insurance, etc. and it’s not so clear that that will happen.

Edit: I wouldn’t be surprised to find Nd our that this bill scores to add 3 trillion to the deficit, or more. I don’t see how they can offset it.

[thehunter116]

I'm glad the DNC takes this time to ignore the most visibly incompetent president of the modern era and fight amongst themselves.

Yes, because one thing you can definitely accuse DNC of is not obsessing enough with Trump. Yeah, why fix their own incompetence and corruption when they can talk about TRUMP DRAMA #86945.

Why can we fix both?

Also lol bye Mercer and Sam Clovis.

[Phoenix Dark]

They just released the tax brackets. It’s actually a pretty big cut.

The CBO score for this will be atrocious. 12% on AGI up to 90k for joint filers.

So my family makes about $130k all in.

Take $24K out for standard deduction. Then about another $15k for property taxes and 401k and mortgage interest. So I’ll pay a rate of 12% on the rest for an effective rate of 8%.

And that’s assuming that they get rid of deductions for HSA, health insurance, etc. and it’s not so clear that that will happen.

Edit: I wouldn’t be surprised to find Nd our that this bill scores to add 3 trillion to the deficit, or more. I don’t see how they can offset it.

The talk is that the bill includes massive Obamacare cuts but even that won't get them where they need to be to offset.

Eliminating the state/local deductions is going to raise taxes on a lot of people. Not surprising, NY republican congressmen are pissed.

I'm amazed at how poorly thought out the plan is on nearly every level.

[Mr. Gundam]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

2016 makes me question the likelihood of anything normal happening in the midterms.

[Mr. Gundam]

The Republicans have full power and they've managed to create terrible plans and fuck pretty much everything up. This plan being poorly developed isn't shocking.

[thehunter116]

The Republicans have full power and they've managed to create terrible plans and fuck pretty much everything up. This plan being poorly developed isn't shocking.

I'm amazed at how poorly thought out the plan is on nearly every level.

Are you, though? Is anyone surprised?

I mean this is pretty much par for the course now.

[Mandark]

This is all because they don't want the tax cuts to sunset after 10 years, so to use reconciliation (they don't have the votes to pass it otherwise) they have to make it deficit-neutral after the first decade, right?

Which they could have done by gutting the Medicaid expansion and the ACA subsidies, only they fucked that up. Now the size of the cut is too much even to make up for with "dynamic scoring." Sheesh.

[Steve Contra]

I hate the "politicians these days are so out of touch!" style of political punditry perhaps more than all others but looking at the tax plan there isn't much else to say.

[Optimus]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

[kingv]

This is all because they don't want the tax cuts to sunset after 10 years, so to use reconciliation (they don't have the votes to pass it otherwise) they have to make it deficit-neutral after the first decade, right?

Which they could have done by gutting the Medicaid expansion and the ACA subsidies, only they fucked that up. Now the size of the cut is too much even to make up for with "dynamic scoring." Sheesh.

The budget is authorized to allow 1.5 trillion in deficits over 10 years. That’s the hurdle that needs to be met for reconciliation.

Yes, the budget basically allows them to end run around a 60 vote hurdle using reconciliation. No pieces of the budget have to meet a 60 vote hurdle.

[Brehvolution]

trump already told truck drivers in PA that the corporate tax cut would give them a $4k raise. 

[Brehvolution]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

It's the same the gop did during the Obama years. A whole lotta fake drama . That seemed to work out pretty well. All the Obama drama was fake news while the trump "administration" is a legit corrupt dumpster fire.

Remember when the talking heads at fox gushed when America didn't win the Olympics?

[agrajag]

trump already told truck drivers in PA that the corporate tax cut would give them a $4k raise. 

link? I need a good laugh

[Brehvolution]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-delivers-tax-reform-speech-to-truckers-in-pa/

Mr. Trump promised to cut the corporate tax rate so that it makes the U.S. more competitive with other nations, pledging to bring jobs back to the U.S. and keep them there.

"The more than 30 million Americans who have small businesses will see -- listen to this -- a 40 percent cut in their marginal tax rate," he said. "... I wouldn't want to be a politician against that. They're going to have a long, hard winter."

The president said his tax plan will give the average American family the equivalent of a $4,000 pay raise, although a senior administration official earlier could not explain the math behind that number. Last month, top White House economic adviser Gary Cohn said a family earning $100,000 -- well above the average household income -- could see a tax break of about $1,000.

Trying to find a direct quote.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/2017/10/12/text-of-trumps-tax-speech-to-truckers

My Council of Economic Advisers estimates that this change, along with a lower tax rate, would likely give the typical American household a $4,000 pay raise.  (Applause.)  Could be a lot more than that, too.  You haven't heard this.  So about a $4,000 amount of money additional for the American family to spend.  That's very exciting.

I'll concede that he didn't say just the corporate rate, but the whole plan will add $4k.

[Joe Molotov]

I'll bet there's a reason we haven't heard about this.

[Mandark]

I hate the "politicians these days are so out of touch!" style of political punditry perhaps more than all others but looking at the tax plan there isn't much else to say.

I like Josh Marshall's term "nonsense deficit" for what the GOP's dealing with. Basically they're now having to deal with the promises and bullshit that they fed their base during the Obama years. "We're going to repeal Obamacare, but also everyone will keep their insurance while paying less! We're going to lower taxes and also the deficit by cutting 'waste' and not popular programs." etc.

Fairly striking that they had eight years to plan an agenda (six of them as the majority of the House!) and hit the ground running like a drunken stork.

[Phoenix Dark]

Have we already addressed Toilet getting wrecked by the DOJ identifying Russian suspects in the Podesta email hack?

We all know the Washington Street Journal has a liberal bias so it doesn't count.

[Optimus]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

It's the same the gop did during the Obama years. A whole lotta fake drama . That seemed to work out pretty well. All the Obama drama was fake news while the trump "administration" is a legit corrupt dumpster fire.

Remember when the talking heads at fox gushed when America didn't win the Olympics?

Except that the Republicans usually appeal to a certain idiot demographic that enjoys this cheap drama, not all liberals and especially progressives that are increasing more and more are willing to take this shit seriously. Just because the DNC has flooded social media and news networks with this bullshit doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of people already annoyed with this crap that are gonna forgive DNC's corruption just because "Trump".

[seagrams hotsauce]

If someone posting accurate takes that are increasingly becoming indisputable is "annoying as shit", you're usually the one with the problem.

So yes, you should apologize, Stro.

I'm sorry that you're so fucking annoying

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/rick-perry-says-fossil-fuels-can-prevent-sexual-assault-n816896

 

No wonder limousine liberals are trying to push green energy.

[curly]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

92% of voters don't know what the DNC is

[Optimus]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/rick-perry-says-fossil-fuels-can-prevent-sexual-assault-n816896

 

No wonder limousine liberals are trying to push green energy.

We need real life examples to confirm this. Hollywood is full of hybrid cars and people defending clean energy. Hollywood is full of sex offenders.

Checks out.

[Optimus]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

92% of voters don't know what the DNC is

They know it's associated with the Democratic Party and that's enough.

[TakingBackSunday]

Please show us on the doll where the DNC touched you, Optimus.

[Brehvolution]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

It's the same the gop did during the Obama years. A whole lotta fake drama . That seemed to work out pretty well. All the Obama drama was fake news while the trump "administration" is a legit corrupt dumpster fire.

Remember when the talking heads at fox gushed when America didn't win the Olympics?

Except that the Republicans usually appeal to a certain idiot demographic that enjoys this cheap drama, not all liberals and especially progressives that are increasing more and more are willing to take this shit seriously. Just because the DNC has flooded social media and news networks with this bullshit doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of people already annoyed with this crap that are gonna forgive DNC's corruption just because "Trump".

I agree with the caveat that the DNC corruption is intra party and only hurting themselves. gop/trump's corruption actually effects the public as a whole.

[Syph]

The New Yorker: The Democratic Civil War Is Getting Nasty, Even if No One Is Paying Attention (ft. Stanley Greenberg)

(original article: How She Lost)

[ToxicAdam]

The DNC should be pushing Sherrod Brown hard. He's the dude.

[Phoenix Dark]

The DNC should be pushing Sherrod Brown hard. He's the dude.

Too bad he's not exciting enough. We'll see. I think being the best white guy on the debate stage will matter, but given how good Harris/Booker/etc are or how many dems love Warren...it's hard to see how he breaks through.

Sherrod Brown/Kamala Harris would easily be the best ticket. You hit all the demographics and excite the parts of the base that need to be excited.

[ToxicAdam]

He might not be Obama or Bill Clinton, but he's not a stiff either.

Dems just need to run someone that is a solid and competent to beat Trump (assuming he runs again). Don't overthink it.

[Steve Contra]

Still shocked Hillary didn't pick a black/hispanic running mate. People always say vp picks don't matter, but they're always fucking boring white guys, and the one time it wasn't in recent memory she became the story of the republican party (for ill because she's nuts).

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Still shocked Hillary didn't pick a black/hispanic running mate. People always say vp picks don't matter, but they're always fucking boring white guys, and the one time it wasn't in recent memory she became the story of the republican party (for ill because she's nuts).

Asked whether Mr. Kaine was boring, Mrs. Clinton said, “I love that about him.” She added, “He’s never lost an election.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/tim-kaine-hillary-clinton-vice-president.html?_r=0

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/926186618981150725

Maybe he just wants to go to prison?

[CatsCatsCats]

The DNC should be pushing Sherrod Brown hard. He's the dude.

I'd rather they didn't push anyone. Let the process play out naturally. People are going to be pissed if anyone tries to crown a winner early.

[kingv]

He might not be Obama or Bill Clinton, but he's not a stiff either.

Dems just need to run someone that is a solid and competent to beat Trump (assuming he runs again). Don't overthink it.

I think the incompetence of trump is the best thing to happen to the third way/corporate Dems.

2020 is basically going to be a freebie, and there’s going to be a lot of money trying to make sure that person will rock the boat as little as possible.

Edit: and Tim Kaine was a terrible pick for VP. He excited nobody, did nothing to shore things up with the Bernie-wing of the primary, and did everything to reinforce the perceptions that she was duplicitous and not really committed to liberal values. How does she go and pick a pro-life running mate?

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/HouseInSession/status/926191150259585024

[Steve Contra]

Oh lord.

[Valhelm]

my boy chris being brave and candid

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/926161097463345158


"Papadapolous may have reached out, but Sessions shut it down."

"Didn't Sessions testify under oath that he wasn't aware of any contact between the campaign and Russians?"

"Okay, what had happened was..."



Not the biggest deal, but still funny.

[etiolate]

Have we already addressed Toilet getting wrecked by the DOJ identifying Russian suspects in the Podesta email hack?

We all know the Washington Street Journal has a liberal bias so it doesn't count.

I can't read the whole thing and I would fact check it. Something that became clear over the past year or so is that major press outlets and congress are still rather clueless about tech stuff. They will repeat clear nonsense without a care. Even their "tech" people nod along to nonsense. This was apparent from the WaPo kimdotcom email phising article they ran which turned out to be pure bullshit.

From what I've heard, Podesta leak could have been a fishing scam or just a product of his terrible password security. This means there's a wide variety of people who could have done it.

[studyguy]

At some point in the future Carter Page is going to pull off his mask and reveal that he was James Comey all along looking for an in back into the investigation because jfc. No one man can revel in taking political/legal punishment for so long without either some kind of fetish or something. 

[Phoenix Dark]

Have we already addressed Toilet getting wrecked by the DOJ identifying Russian suspects in the Podesta email hack?

We all know the Washington Street Journal has a liberal bias so it doesn't count.

I can't read the whole thing and I would fact check it. Something that became clear over the past year or so is that major press outlets and congress are still rather clueless about tech stuff. They will repeat clear nonsense without a care. Even their "tech" people nod along to nonsense. This was apparent from the WaPo kimdotcom email phising article they ran which turned out to be pure bullshit.

From what I've heard, Podesta leak could have been a fishing scam or just a product of his terrible password security. This means there's a wide variety of people who could have done it.

You're definitely right about the tech stuff in many publications.

[Boredfrom]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

It's the same the gop did during the Obama years. A whole lotta fake drama . That seemed to work out pretty well. All the Obama drama was fake news while the trump "administration" is a legit corrupt dumpster fire.

Remember when the talking heads at fox gushed when America didn't win the Olympics?

Except that the Republicans usually appeal to a certain idiot demographic that enjoys this cheap drama, not all liberals and especially progressives that are increasing more and more are willing to take this shit seriously. Just because the DNC has flooded social media and news networks with this bullshit doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of people already annoyed with this crap that are gonna forgive DNC's corruption just because "Trump".

I agree with the caveat that the DNC corruption is intra party and only hurting themselves. gop/trump's corruption actually effects the public as a whole.

Corruption affects everything. While I could agree that DNC corruption is less destructive than GOP/Trump, it was also clear that DNC will turn blind eye to certain aspects and legit concerns. Trump is bad news but is difficult to make people excited when you other option is another shady, if less worse, candidate.

Yeah, people currently hate Trump way more than they aware of the democratic party inner problems, but the Democratic party needs to clean the act before gets worse for the party inner politics.

[etiolate]

Find it weird that Brazille would try to bring down Clinton camp after she fed them debate questions. The DNC seems like a giant fustercluck.

[Phoenix Dark]

Not too weird. A lot of sycophants were looking at hefty paydays when Clinton won; I don't mean illegally, just in the sense that she would reward her supporters with positions. Now the Clinton machine is dead, nobody is gonna get paid, they have no more favors to call in, etc...so naturally people are gonna talk because why not.

For every true believer loyalist (like Huma) I bet there were 4 loyalists who were simply bandwagon types.

[Boredfrom]

Find it weird that Brazille would try to bring down Clinton camp after she fed them debate questions. The DNC seems like a giant fustercluck.

Brazille was scummy herself, by this point she thinks she has more to win being a snitch than a boot licker.

[Mr. Gundam]

https://twitter.com/HouseInSession/status/926191150259585024

Carter Page is either #1 Super Genius or the dumbest man on the planet.