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« Reply #12060 on: December 19, 2017, 02:53:46 AM »
OPPO DROPPO:
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The top congressional committee investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election has set its sights on the Green Party and its nominee, Jill Stein.

Dennis Trainor Jr., who worked for the Stein campaign from January to August of 2015, says Stein contacted him on Friday saying the Senate Intelligence Committee had requested that the campaign comply with a document search.

Trainor, who served as the campaign’s communications director and acting manager during that time, told BuzzFeed News that he was informed of the committee’s request because during his time on the campaign, his personal cell phone was “a primary point of contact” for those looking to reach Stein or the campaign. That included producers from RT News, the Russian state-funded media company, who booked Stein for several appearances, Trainor said.

“Then I was told by Jill just to wait for further instructions,” Trainor said, adding that he was told the campaign would contact him in the next week with instructions, presumably from the Senate Intelligence Committee, for executing the document search, including precise search terms. That has not happened yet, Trainor said.

When asked Monday what the committee was looking for from the Stein campaign, North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, the committee’s chairman, responded, "collusion with the Russians." Burr said that the committee is "just starting" its work investigating two campaigns, but did not elaborate.

Stein did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Trainor, who has done on-and-off work for Stein since formally leaving the campaign in 2015, said he is inclined to cooperate with the committee’s request but wants to first seek legal counsel. He said he believes Stein plans to comply as well and post the documents on her own website “in an effort to show complete transparency and kind of wage her own war against [...] what I imagine she thinks is an overblown investigation into collusion.”

Hillary Clinton's 2016 Director of Rapid Response is on the case:
https://twitter.com/Zac_Petkanas/status/942880616357486592

https://twitter.com/Zac_Petkanas/status/942904186945056768

And this other Clinton adviser released a bombshell back in September that seems to confirm exactly what Jack tried to warn us about and all we did was make fun of his Verrit codes:
https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/906340798307979264

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« Reply #12061 on: December 19, 2017, 10:41:40 AM »
Sanders/Warren 2020

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« Reply #12062 on: December 19, 2017, 10:41:44 AM »
I sort of like Kamala from what little I currently know about her. I bet she has some crazy skeletons in her closet as a former prosecutor, though.


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« Reply #12064 on: December 19, 2017, 12:19:18 PM »
Cool let’s go ahead and pass it then
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« Reply #12066 on: December 19, 2017, 12:49:52 PM »
That WA train derailment is going to be a finger-pointing bonanza.

You had the engineer going 50 mph over the speed limit on a set of tracks that could have had speed governors installed (preventing human error) but Amtrak kept delaying their installation for years.




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« Reply #12067 on: December 19, 2017, 03:37:26 PM »
actually they are not random

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« Reply #12068 on: December 19, 2017, 03:40:17 PM »
Okay.

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« Reply #12069 on: December 19, 2017, 03:42:45 PM »
Yeah it’s sort of a big deal to the people writing the law..




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« Reply #12070 on: December 19, 2017, 03:48:40 PM »
Yup. The gotcha question here would be "have you read the entire bill?"

The one he was asking was deliberately a simple one.

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« Reply #12071 on: December 19, 2017, 03:53:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/SchneiderG/status/943221202969120768


Dems might have just won control of the Virginia General Assembly by literally one vote.

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« Reply #12072 on: December 19, 2017, 04:02:01 PM »
Hopefully Republicans get fucked in 2018.
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« Reply #12073 on: December 19, 2017, 04:17:46 PM »
They might as well be, I can't even remember them after reading them three times.
how many laws are you writing or voting on daily?

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« Reply #12074 on: December 19, 2017, 04:33:17 PM »
The correct phrasing is "I don't recall."

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« Reply #12075 on: December 19, 2017, 05:00:21 PM »
Hopefully Republicans get fucked in 2018.

They know they will. That's why they are pushing this giveaway to the donor class so they can get cushy jobs once they are voted out.
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« Reply #12076 on: December 19, 2017, 05:27:37 PM »
They might as well be, I can't even remember them after reading them three times.

Breh you're trolling right?


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« Reply #12078 on: December 20, 2017, 12:57:50 AM »


i mean how do we know for sure, especially after seth rich :trumps

(can skip like the first minute and a half if need facts asap)

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« Reply #12079 on: December 20, 2017, 02:22:51 AM »
Sad Losing New York Times spreading Fake News Lessons:
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In Virginia, a 11,608-to-11,607 Lesson in the Power of a Single Vote
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The victory by Shelly Simonds, a school board member in Newport News, was a civics lesson in every-vote-counts

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« Reply #12080 on: December 20, 2017, 02:26:56 AM »
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Sen. Susan Collins on Tuesday blasted coverage of her support for the GOP tax bill as “extremely discouraging” and “unbelievably sexist."

The Maine Republican, a key swing vote on the tax package, accused reporters of ignoring her influence over the final legislation and unfairly criticizing her efforts to pass a pair of Obamacare stabilization bills.

“I believe that the coverage has been unbelievably sexist, and I cannot believe that the press would have treated another senator with 20 years of experience as they have treated me,” she told reporters in the Capitol. “They’ve ignored everything that I’ve gotten and written story after story about how I’m duped. How am I duped when all your amendments get accepted?”
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Collins also singled out a report that she said included a line about how she “didn’t cry” during a recent meeting with protesters, many of whom suffer from grave medical conditions. That line was later removed after Collins complained, but not before the story posted online.

“I can’t imagine a reporter writing that about a male senator meeting with the same group, and, in fact, I have proof because they met with [Arizona Sen.] Jeff Flake,” she said. “So it’s been extremely discouraging to see the press coverage on this given the significant impact that I’ve had on this bill.”
Wow at this, Al Franken needs to resign yet again.

Or not?
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At least four senators are urging Al Franken to reconsider resigning, including two who issued statements calling for the resignation two weeks ago and said they now feel remorse over what they feel was a rush to judgment.

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Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), who issued a statement calling for Franken's resignation, has since told him privately that he regrets doing so, according to two people familiar with the conversation. Leahy declined to comment.

“I think we acted prematurely, before we had all the facts,” said a third senator who has also called for the resignation, and has since expressed regret directly to Franken. “In retrospect, I think we acted too fast.” The senator asked not to be named because of the political sensitivity of the issue among Democrats.

Two of the senators who issued resignation calls told POLITICO they felt rushed to weigh in, as they were focused on hearings and other meetings and pressure on Franken mounted. In retrospect they said they signed off on statements without the appropriate care and thought.

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« Reply #12081 on: December 20, 2017, 02:58:24 AM »
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/943245831813115904


FWIW, I'm willing to let any Democratic congrescritter ask for Franken's resignation immediately after they make an even stronger demand that Trump resign, as well as any other Republicans who are accused of sexual misconduct. But I will not countenance shitting all over our already embattled position for virtue signaling.

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« Reply #12082 on: December 20, 2017, 03:20:18 AM »
Somebody put this on my list if I'm ever by some horrible fate for mankind President I'm demanding my PDB's come like Denny's kids placemats. It's probably actually a better intelligence developing task for both the agencies to produce it in that format and for me to do a bit of brain training exercises in the morning.

In that CIA book they describe how Reagan and Clinton never read em because the news, especially CNN in Clinton's time, was more up to date on world events than the CIA's brief. And that it'd often have the same story multiple times written by different people because of the way it's produced. If they wanted to know something they'd ask the CIA Director directly or NSA to look into it. (Or in Woolsey's case never speak to them once.)

Apparently Cheney still read em like mad as VP though. Which annoyed both Powell and Rumsfeld.

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« Reply #12083 on: December 20, 2017, 07:40:15 AM »
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House Republicans applauded and cheered after they voted for their long-anticipated tax reform plan Tuesday.

But just hours later, it was revealed they'd have to do the vote all over again Wednesday.

That's because of an arcane Senate procedure known as a "Byrd Bath," where legislation undergoes a review to make sure it complies with the so-called Byrd rule.

The Senate parliamentarian ruled Tuesday afternoon that some changes will need to be made to the House version to make it comply with the Byrd rule, so the Senate will vote on the amended bill Tuesday night, then send it back to the House for a vote Wednesday morning.
And this time 17 more of them might know the tax brackets before voting.

Mandark, come and get your L. :ufup

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« Reply #12084 on: December 20, 2017, 08:08:58 AM »
I feel like every time Susan Collins is quoted in an article, they should add “Susan Collins, her voice wavering, said...”

I don’t know how people in Maine keep electing her with her horrid voice. She make Diane Rehm  sound like Barack Obama.

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« Reply #12085 on: December 20, 2017, 11:19:33 AM »
Call not wanting a serial groper to represent your political party "virtue signaling" brehs

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« Reply #12086 on: December 20, 2017, 12:25:52 PM »
when dems think trump voters will see beyond their after tax income


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« Reply #12087 on: December 20, 2017, 01:07:49 PM »
Ta-Nehisi Coates Deletes Twitter Account Amid Feud With Cornel West

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/arts/ta-nehisi-coates-deletes-twitter-account-cornel-west.html

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« Reply #12089 on: December 20, 2017, 01:52:05 PM »
A tax cut just before Christmas! I'm going to go get a payday advance loan so that I can start spending this extra cash on some last minute shopping.

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« Reply #12090 on: December 20, 2017, 02:26:33 PM »
NY Times is writing about UFO programs and twitter fueds are still getting more clicks.

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« Reply #12091 on: December 21, 2017, 03:42:33 AM »
Ta-Nehisi Coates Deletes Twitter Account Amid Feud With Cornel West

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/arts/ta-nehisi-coates-deletes-twitter-account-cornel-west.html

Is this that black on black violence people like talking about?

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« Reply #12092 on: December 21, 2017, 06:30:15 AM »
These things usually give a temp boost then it all crashes out again.
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« Reply #12093 on: December 21, 2017, 07:42:27 AM »
The corporate tax cut will probably help the economy tbh.

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« Reply #12095 on: December 21, 2017, 10:41:47 AM »
Ta-Nehisi Coates Deletes Twitter Account Amid Feud With Cornel West

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/arts/ta-nehisi-coates-deletes-twitter-account-cornel-west.html

Disappointed. West's attack was laughably bad, and I thought Coates handled it well initially. I figured he might write a more comprehensive article to defend himself, and the tweets were just the first salvo. Now it looks like Coates just...disappeared.

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« Reply #12096 on: December 21, 2017, 10:45:56 AM »
The corporate tax cut will probably help the economy tbh.
Depends on what you call the "economy"

Certainly the investor class will do better. But wage growth? # of living wage jobs? Nah. It'll make the current stagflation even worse.
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« Reply #12097 on: December 21, 2017, 11:44:40 AM »
The corporate tax cut will probably help the economy tbh.
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« Reply #12098 on: December 21, 2017, 11:48:33 AM »
I work for a privately owned company, and we actually are planning on using the savings from tax cuts for investments.... but for most corporations, they are just going to buy back stock.

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« Reply #12100 on: December 21, 2017, 01:09:22 PM »
Russia and China voted against trump. :noah
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« Reply #12101 on: December 21, 2017, 01:10:51 PM »
The US can always count on Micronesia

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« Reply #12102 on: December 21, 2017, 01:11:53 PM »
Which is the smallest of the nesias.
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« Reply #12103 on: December 21, 2017, 02:04:36 PM »
This tax law sling shotting and burning the GOP only makes sense if Republican Congressmen think there's no hope for contended seats and so they're cashing out with bribes.

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« Reply #12104 on: December 21, 2017, 03:09:00 PM »
I think it needs to be kept in mind that the effective taxation rate was never 35%.

And that historical record of tax cuts spurring major new investment is not all that solid.

There are good reasons on other merits for lowering the corporate tax rate(though the manner in which this bill does it is not one of them IMO). Hoping for major economic growth isn’t one of them.

Companies have been awash in low interest capital for some time now. If they saw a market opportunity to expand or invest in, I am not sure how many were being held back by a 35% corporate rate to do so? It seems like a very narrow sect of companies that likely saw demand that warranted investment but put it off because of tax rates.

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« Reply #12105 on: December 21, 2017, 03:48:44 PM »
Exactly. I don't know any corporation that pays anywhere close to 35%. The idea itself is laughable.
And Corporations have a record amount of cash and have had it on hand for several years now. It's not like they were like "Hey, if our rates were just a little lower...."
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« Reply #12106 on: December 21, 2017, 05:51:08 PM »
The "high corporate tax rate" is one of the biggest bullshit talking points out there. Not just the 35% one...the WH was giving Rubio shit for wanting it to be 21% instead of 20%, and allies were accusing him of making it all unworkable before they ultimately caved. Bullshit theater, man.

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« Reply #12107 on: December 21, 2017, 07:35:01 PM »
I think it needs to be kept in mind that the effective taxation rate was never 35%.

And that historical record of tax cuts spurring major new investment is not all that solid.

There are good reasons on other merits for lowering the corporate tax rate(though the manner in which this bill does it is not one of them IMO). Hoping for major economic growth isn’t one of them.

Companies have been awash in low interest capital for some time now. If they saw a market opportunity to expand or invest in, I am not sure how many were being held back by a 35% corporate rate to do so? It seems like a very narrow sect of companies that likely saw demand that warranted investment but put it off because of tax rates.

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« Reply #12108 on: December 21, 2017, 07:55:18 PM »
Exactly. I don't know any corporation that pays anywhere close to 35%. The idea itself is laughable.
And Corporations have a record amount of cash and have had it on hand for several years now. It's not like they were like "Hey, if our rates were just a little lower...."
There are many that pay much more.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/05/25/sunday-review/corporate-taxes.html

I'm not sure why it makes sense that Amazon pays 9% and Exxon pays  over 60%.

EDIT: wow this actually made it into the newsfeed?
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I mean in terms of Exxon they absolutely should be taxed higher, but probably not because of whatever is going on with our admittedly fucked up corporate tax code. That instead of getting simplified and better purposed just got more fucked up and distortionary.

They should be paying more because of the enormous negative externalities they impose on the enviorenment and society. Though done in the form of a carbon tax... And maybe to make up for the implicit and explicit subsidization their industries receive because of its status as a vital national resource which gives it a competitive advantage over competiting energy resources.

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« Reply #12109 on: December 21, 2017, 09:41:01 PM »
They should be paying more because of the enormous negative externalities they impose on the enviorenment and society. Though done in the form of a carbon tax... And maybe to make up for the implicit and explicit subsidization their industries receive because of its status as a vital national resource which gives it a competitive advantage over competiting energy resources.
this is income tax. I agree regarding the externalities but customers should pay the carbon tax, not suppliers. Also ftr I like Cap n Trade.

I'll take either TBH. A carbon tax is much more simple and cost controlled, cap and trade is probably better at controlling emissions. I don't really have a strong opinion on where in the chain the tax is applied. Though I think for simplicity sake, doing it at the point of supply is easiest to enforce and ensure compliance, but the point of sale is fine, as long as it ensures the price is reflective of a good faith estimate of the real total cost and properly incentivizes behavior.



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Lowering the tax rate is about encouraging companies to establish their headquarters in this country, not increasing investment from the companies already here. See Ireland.

Lets not bullshit here. This is a bill that is entirely centered on pleasing their donors, relevant industries in their areas, themselves, and major campaign contributors. You don't hastily pass a tax bill this fucked up and distortionary because you are making a good faith effort to maximize the re-shoring of corporations and improve the corporate tax code with some grander vision in mind.

There is certainly the possibility that some companies may see it more worthwhile to re-shore under a new tax structure, and many will certainly cash in on the perverse incentive structure underlying the one time repatriation tax, but I haven't really seen much in the way of evidence this is going to do a whole lot. And last time repatriation was tried it didn't. And due to all the loopholes and workarounds the new lower rate is probably more relevant to the US located smaller businesses that aren't in a position to exploit the loopholes or move their operations overseas.

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« Reply #12110 on: December 21, 2017, 09:51:09 PM »
when dems think trump voters will see beyond their after tax income

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« Reply #12111 on: December 21, 2017, 09:57:44 PM »
I’m just thinking some potential investments will go from below the hurdle rate or close to it, to exceeding the hurdle rate, since after-tax cash flows will be higher, since taxes will be lower.

It’s easy to say that an investment that will be profitable at a 21% tax rate will also be profitable at a 35% tax rate, but that’s not always the case on a project by project basis, and definitely not the case when projected cash flows are discounted for risk.

I’d rather tax the money when it actually flows to the wealthy shareholders and execs. Republicans obviously won’t do that, but a future Dem administration could do that while keeping the corporate rate at 21%.

Been some years since my basic finance, but IRC. It’s not exactly that simple for a few reasons that basically. All revolve around the idea that changing the tax rate will also change the hurdle rate for a few reasons:

- all other things being equal, lower taxes will push the fed to raise interest rates because of inflation, thus raising the expected interest rate on  bonds => raising the cost of debt
- typically interest is tax deductible, so lowering the tax rate will make the cost of debt somewhat higher even for the same interest rate
- cost of equity will also tend to increase because expectations of stock prices increase.
- overall this will increase WACC
- I expect the biggest factor will be that the tax cuts slice both ways, in that continuing operations also becomes more profitable than it was before, so the opportunity cost of pursuing some project vs investing the money into building more of the same  dildos is also higher.

I expect overall, you are still correct, but it might not be that simple if hurdle rate goes from %10 to 12% for a company.


Of course, a lot (most probably ) companies are not well run in this way and might not be smart enough to actually recalc their hurdle rates.

I suspect that the companies this helps the most are those medium-sized companies that are large but not enormous and have almost all of their operations domestically. The “I’m not big enough to make an Irish double cream pie with a twist sandwich tax evasion scheme” but I still have a 100 million+ in revenue.
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« Reply #12112 on: December 21, 2017, 10:53:45 PM »
The corporate tax cut will probably help the economy tbh.
Depends on what you call the "economy"

Certainly the investor class will do better. But wage growth? # of living wage jobs? Nah. It'll make the current stagflation even worse.

Also public coffers and redistribution programs.
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« Reply #12113 on: December 21, 2017, 11:02:08 PM »
HA THEY GOTCHA YOU WEREN'T PREPARED FOR THIS ONE AFTER WE SAID CNN, NBC, ETC.:


ANOTHER TOUGHY!


THE REAL STORY HERE IS THE GOOD SHOWING FOR THE GUY WHO'S BEEN DEAD OVER TWO DECADES:


(the present tense used in the question...should use something like "who do you think will be found to have been more corrupt?" or "whose administration...")

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« Reply #12114 on: December 21, 2017, 11:04:18 PM »
Maybe the real story is that PPP is subjecting people to 67 question polls. With 80% of the respondents still being on the phone.

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« Reply #12115 on: December 22, 2017, 03:22:08 PM »
Oh man, I'm getting fucked so hard under the new tax bill. Don't know why the House hates law firms with a passion but the senate doesn't. Gonna have to either get married or budget for the next few years until the democrats fix this shit :|

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« Reply #12116 on: December 22, 2017, 03:50:48 PM »
Nah, I'd probably have lower taxes if I did that.
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« Reply #12118 on: December 23, 2017, 04:01:00 AM »
Not sure what's so bad about that first diagram to begin with?

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« Reply #12119 on: December 23, 2017, 04:34:15 AM »
I see it as dehumanizing.

At first glance, it evoked rabbits or some other rodent breeding and overpopulating an area. Let in a couple and god knows how many you'll end up with!