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« Reply #12180 on: December 29, 2017, 07:11:28 PM »
Trump is a psyop designed for us to accept war profiteers in the future as long as they seem nice  :doge

At least no one ever talks about how they'd like to have a beer with Trump.  :snoop
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« Reply #12181 on: December 29, 2017, 07:26:59 PM »
When push came to shove he was more than willing to screw American retirees.

Obama?

Barack "spread the wealth around" Obama?

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Perhaps you don’t remember the cat food commission and Obama wholeheartedly offering up the recommendations in return for... keeping the government open and raising the debt ceiling.

The Dw-Nominate rankings have Obama as the most moderate Democratic President since at least Truman. Obama as incredibly liberal is basically a myth. Heck his biggest accomplishment was a moderate Republican position up until about the moment a Democratic Congress passed it. He’s not right wing, but he’s as close to dead center as we have gotten in at least 70 years.

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« Reply #12182 on: December 29, 2017, 08:35:29 PM »
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« Reply #12183 on: December 30, 2017, 02:10:18 AM »
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« Reply #12184 on: December 30, 2017, 09:54:58 AM »
Trump is a psyop designed for us to accept war profiteers in the future as long as they seem nice  :doge

But Trump doesn't seem at all nice.

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« Reply #12185 on: December 30, 2017, 03:30:31 PM »
So it seems Papadopoulos knew the Russians had Hillary’s emails two months before Wikileaks released them...

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« Reply #12186 on: December 30, 2017, 05:53:45 PM »
Being in a second/third rate country (a country in south america) right now has honestly changed my political views a bit. I've definitely become more conservative. I've always voted democrat, and at one point when i was younger would consider myself a progressive.

That's all but gone. I won't vote for the current republican system in the U.S, definitely not, but when a capable conservative makes an appearance and the current crop of Democrats are what they are now i may just flip over.

Watching leftist, progressive policies balloon in some of these latin countries has shown me how bad it can get. If you don't have centrists running the country there's always going to be a problem.

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« Reply #12187 on: December 30, 2017, 06:20:41 PM »
Authoritarianism and failed states is not really unique to one ideology.  :gurl




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« Reply #12188 on: December 30, 2017, 06:20:48 PM »
leftist progressive policies can indeed wreak havoc on a nation

just look at norway, sweden, the netherlands etc

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Dufus, very fitting.

Those countries are small, not racially diverse, never were racially diverse, and have been in lock step for centuries. It's easy to steer the ship in those situations.

Culture makes a big difference, and when a bigger country has many different types of cultures within, it becomes a lot more complex to navigate policy. You also have the very tricky topic of genetics, which play a huge role as well. I hate when people try to throw in the scandinavian countries into the discussion. They're nothing like a massive country as a Brazil.

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« Reply #12189 on: December 30, 2017, 06:28:41 PM »
Canada says hello.

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« Reply #12190 on: December 30, 2017, 06:34:53 PM »
Canada says hello.
Right.

You mean a population the size of California? Are you all fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?

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« Reply #12191 on: December 30, 2017, 06:41:46 PM »
leftist progressive policies can indeed wreak havoc on a nation

just look at norway, sweden, the netherlands etc

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Dufus, very fitting.

Those countries are small, not racially diverse, never were racially diverse, and have been in lock step for centuries. It's easy to steer the ship in those situations.

Culture makes a big difference, and when a bigger country has many different types of cultures within, it becomes a lot more complex to navigate policy. You also have the very tricky topic of genetics, which play a huge role as well. I hate when people try to throw in the scandinavian countries into the discussion. They're nothing like a massive country as a Brazil.

The best rationale I have managed to come up with for this talking point is that as countries get more diverse, often following the hitting of economic rough patches, the predominant race or religion tends to channel their racism and xenophobia through a shifting view of social safety nets as handouts to the undeserving poor(I.E. the brown people or minority groups they begin to hate) or policies that seek to remove the undesirables. Which is why achieving needed social safety net expansion becomes more difficult in places like America. The ironic component is that, like in America and Europe, that seems to give rise to right-wing authoritarianism. But because of your exclusive focus on your experience in Latin America(I assume not in a place like Chile living in the aftermath of Pinochet), you seem to be priming the pump and developing a major blind spot to those sort of avenues authoritarianism grips hold as well.
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« Reply #12192 on: December 30, 2017, 07:03:19 PM »
leftist progressive policies can indeed wreak havoc on a nation

just look at norway, sweden, the netherlands etc

oh wait (Image removed from quote.)

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Dufus, very fitting.

Those countries are small, not racially diverse, never were racially diverse, and have been in lock step for centuries. It's easy to steer the ship in those situations.

Culture makes a big difference, and when a bigger country has many different types of cultures within, it becomes a lot more complex to navigate policy. You also have the very tricky topic of genetics, which play a huge role as well. I hate when people try to throw in the scandinavian countries into the discussion. They're nothing like a massive country as a Brazil.

The best rationale I have managed to come up with for this talking point is that as countries get more diverse, often following the hitting of economic rough patches, the predominant race or religion tends to channel their racism and xenophobia through a shifting view of social safety nets as handouts to the undeserving poor(I.E. the brown people or minority groups they begin to hate) or policies that seek to remove the undesirables. Which is why achieving needed social safety net expansion becomes more difficult in places like America. The ironic component is that, like in America and Europe, that seems to give rise to right-wing authoritarianism. But because of your exclusive focus on your experience in Latin America(I assume not in a place like Chile living in the aftermath of Pinochet), you seem to be priming the pump and developing a major blind spot to those sort of avenues authoritarianism grips hold as well.
I'm really not talking about authoritarianism though. I'm talking about aggressive leftist policies that although have good intentions don't manifest in the ways naive progressives think they will. It's not sensible to think that everything is racism and oppression. Yes, there's definitely a component of that but i'd have to argue that it's not as strong as some make it out to be.

And on your point of social safety nets. I definitely believe in it, no question. However, if you come to certain latin american countries and see how fast the underprivileged will mobilize in a location, take up prime real estate, and then refuse to pay for basic utilities and electricity while continuing to reproduce at alarming rates... it's mind boggling.

Who foots the bill for this electricity? The societies middle class that ends up with astronomical electricity and utility bills. Some will then come out and say "well, you don't provide the proper means for abortion and population control" right because you'll get corrupt wide eyed politicians coming in targeting these population sections for votes. And in a country like Brazil where voting is mandatory... you get the idea.

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« Reply #12193 on: December 30, 2017, 07:30:28 PM »
I'm really not talking about authoritarianism though. I'm talking about aggressive leftist policies that although have good intentions don't manifest in the ways naive progressives think they will. It's not sensible to think that everything is racism and oppression. Yes, there's definitely a component of that but i'd have to argue that it's not as strong as some make it out to be.

And on your point of social safety nets. I definitely believe in it, no question. However, if you come to certain latin american countries and see how fast the underprivileged will mobilize in a location, take up prime real estate, and then refuse to pay for basic utilities and electricity while continuing to reproduce at alarming rates... it's mind boggling.

Who foots the bill for this electricity? The societies middle class that ends up with astronomical electricity and utility bills. Some will then come out and say "well, you don't provide the proper means for abortion and population control" right because you'll get corrupt wide eyed politicians coming in targeting these population sections for votes. And in a country like Brazil where voting is mandatory... you get the idea.

Then what are you talking about? Because you seem to be all over the map and not making much of a coherent argument other than "I identify X thing I don't like as a left-wing issue, therefore I am going to broad brush and correct for that by blindly throwing my lot into the conservative wing without any similar scrutinizing process."

Because as people have pointed out numerous times already, and America itself validates that viewpoint as well, plenty of left-wing ideas as you would seem to classify them are a major reason for the ongoing economic stability and opportunities almost all of the western world benefits from. Corruption and perversion of ideals that lead to failed states or unintended consequences aren't really unique to one broad ideological bloc.

If you are talking about things like actual Communism or Marxist-Leninism, yeah, its not been a very workable way to organize a society based on the evidence, neither has libertarianism through military dictatorship, or gilded-age style capitalism. But centrism as America would define it, seems to be advocacy for a form of stasis in what by most accounts have been failed or broken policies in terms of economic regulations, social safety nets, social justice, political institutional decay, criminal justice, and environmental problems. And I guess in my mind I am struggling to see how a John Kasich or some American centrist that is continually shifting thanks to an increasingly authoritarian conservative party is the answer to those issues?

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« Reply #12194 on: December 30, 2017, 07:32:20 PM »
You also have the very tricky topic of genetics, which play a huge role as well.

Elaborate, please.

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« Reply #12195 on: December 30, 2017, 09:41:03 PM »

Because as people have pointed out numerous times already, and America itself validates that viewpoint as well, plenty of left-wing ideas as you would seem to classify them are a major reason for the ongoing economic stability and opportunities almost all of the western world benefits from.
There are left-wing ideas that have contributed, as much as there are right-wing ideas that have.

Which ones do you speak of specifically that have been pointed out? I don't want to go looking through the thread but i'm interested to know.

You also have the very tricky topic of genetics, which play a huge role as well.

Elaborate, please.
Some people are predispositioned to be smarter than others, as there are segments of the population that are naturally more athletic.

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« Reply #12196 on: December 30, 2017, 09:59:19 PM »
You also have the very tricky topic of genetics, which play a huge role as well.

I like where this is going.

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« Reply #12197 on: December 30, 2017, 10:08:23 PM »
So Scandinavians get health care because of their superior genetics? Seems legit

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« Reply #12198 on: December 30, 2017, 10:28:19 PM »

Because as people have pointed out numerous times already, and America itself validates that viewpoint as well, plenty of left-wing ideas as you would seem to classify them are a major reason for the ongoing economic stability and opportunities almost all of the western world benefits from.
There are left-wing ideas that have contributed, as much as there are right-wing ideas that have.

Which ones do you speak of specifically that have been pointed out? I don't want to go looking through the thread but i'm interested to know.

You also have the very tricky topic of genetics, which play a huge role as well.

Elaborate, please.
Some people are predispositioned to be smarter than others, as there are segments of the population that are naturally more athletic.

I would guess that this is almost guaranteed to be true, that genetics play some role in the shape of the bell curve for various races, but I don’t think anyone really has a great understanding of how it breaks down and in no case do I think it’s really substantiated that it’s a particularly big driver of say the average educational achievement of various races. Socioeconomic factors are much more important.

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« Reply #12199 on: December 30, 2017, 10:31:52 PM »
Socioeconomic factors are much more important.
So when exactly did socioeconomic factors start playing the bigger part? How many thousands of years ago?

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« Reply #12200 on: December 30, 2017, 11:07:32 PM »
So Scandinavians get health care because of their superior genetics? Seems legit

Brazilian DNA isn't advanced enough to cope with social democracy, but those dummies would flourish in a modern market economy.

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« Reply #12201 on: December 30, 2017, 11:15:44 PM »
Socioeconomic factors are much more important.
So when exactly did socioeconomic factors start playing the bigger part? How many thousands of years ago?

What we can say is that the average IQ has went up like 12-14% in the US over the last 50 years and that when a poor kid is adopted by a rich family their IQ increases like in the 15-20 pt range.

Maybe this is because IQ is an imperfect measurement, that partially, but unintentionally, reflects the idea of intelligence that the probably relatively affluent people that designed the test.

But for sure, the American population has not gotten like 10-12% more intelligent in 50 years based off of any changes in genetics, and that a kids intelligence isn’t changing because of genetics after an adoption.

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« Reply #12202 on: December 30, 2017, 11:34:38 PM »
Socioeconomic factors are much more important.
So when exactly did socioeconomic factors start playing the bigger part? How many thousands of years ago?

What we can say is that the average IQ has went up like 12-14% in the US over the last 50 years and that when a poor kid is adopted by a rich family their IQ increases like in the 15-20 pt range.

Maybe this is because IQ is an imperfect measurement, that partially, but unintentionally, reflects the idea of intelligence that the probably relatively affluent people that designed the test.

But for sure, the American population has not gotten like 10-12% more intelligent in 50 years based off of any changes in genetics, and that a kids intelligence isn’t changing because of genetics after an adoption.
And yet IQ has been a great indicator of a person's overall aptitude. 

Base level IQ has gone up for everyone. The adoption statistics did show an increase, but nothing astonishing. It did not strengthen the socioeconomic argument at all.


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« Reply #12203 on: December 30, 2017, 11:46:08 PM »
"It's not sensible to think that everything is racism and oppression."

However, also, some races are genetically inferior and that's why we can't have egalitarian societies.

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« Reply #12204 on: December 30, 2017, 11:51:22 PM »

However, also, some races are genetically inferior and that's why we can't have egalitarian societies.


You're taking it somewhere i'm not but that's typical for someone to do that.

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« Reply #12205 on: December 31, 2017, 12:10:53 AM »
I think it's a pretty fair reading of what you've said on this page.

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« Reply #12206 on: December 31, 2017, 12:15:12 AM »
Listen if history has taught us anything it's that the latins need a strong caudillo hand to govern them

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« Reply #12207 on: December 31, 2017, 01:24:42 AM »

Because as people have pointed out numerous times already, and America itself validates that viewpoint as well, plenty of left-wing ideas as you would seem to classify them are a major reason for the ongoing economic stability and opportunities almost all of the western world benefits from.
There are left-wing ideas that have contributed, as much as there are right-wing ideas that have.

Which ones do you speak of specifically that have been pointed out? I don't want to go looking through the thread but i'm interested to know.

You also have the very tricky topic of genetics, which play a huge role as well.

Elaborate, please.
Some people are predispositioned to be smarter than others, as there are segments of the population that are naturally more athletic.

EUGENICS HO! :doge

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« Reply #12208 on: December 31, 2017, 01:25:28 AM »
Fwiw assimilate, it doesn't really make a difference where you fall on the political spectrum since you're a total dipshit anyway

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« Reply #12209 on: December 31, 2017, 02:11:59 AM »
Socioeconomic factors are much more important.
So when exactly did socioeconomic factors start playing the bigger part? How many thousands of years ago?

What we can say is that the average IQ has went up like 12-14% in the US over the last 50 years and that when a poor kid is adopted by a rich family their IQ increases like in the 15-20 pt range.

Maybe this is because IQ is an imperfect measurement, that partially, but unintentionally, reflects the idea of intelligence that the probably relatively affluent people that designed the test.

But for sure, the American population has not gotten like 10-12% more intelligent in 50 years based off of any changes in genetics, and that a kids intelligence isn’t changing because of genetics after an adoption.
And yet IQ has been a great indicator of a person's overall aptitude. 

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« Reply #12210 on: December 31, 2017, 04:20:17 AM »
It rules that this is on the same page as a bunch of unchallenged shitposts about George "responsible for possibly 1 million unnecessary deaths (wow)" Bush II not being that bad.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44608.msg2356651#msg2356651

Challenging is what happened to TA for holding incorrect thought on the very same page; the post you're linking to is evidence for expanding the technical parameters of Godwin's Law.

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« Reply #12211 on: December 31, 2017, 05:27:38 AM »
nah

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« Reply #12212 on: December 31, 2017, 01:34:51 PM »
There are more variations within a population than there is variation between populations. When looking at issues with a population, you should factor in the averages of various traits, but I am not sure what that has to do with the topic. I haven't really followed the topic much though, cuz this thread is where the shitters hang out.

I do love that people bring up Sweden when that country locked itself into isolation for years, making it a white ethno state of sorts, and then has war profiteering to thank for its financial basis. Progressive policy success right there.

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« Reply #12213 on: December 31, 2017, 02:51:52 PM »


I do love that people bring up Sweden when that country locked itself into isolation for years, making it a white ethno state of sorts, and then has war profiteering to thank for its financial basis. Progressive policy success right there.
Another one of my favorites is people loving Japanese culture and everything about them when they completely shut out any type of immigration but of course the United States is the bad guy lol. People pour into this country from all over but nah the U.S is terrible oh nooos.

Fwiw assimilate, it doesn't really make a difference where you fall on the political spectrum since you're a total dipshit anyway
  Seagrams all i've ever seen you do in here is cry about other people's post you don't like. Shouldn't you be on reeeeeee crying about injustice?


Because as people have pointed out numerous times already, and America itself validates that viewpoint as well, plenty of left-wing ideas as you would seem to classify them are a major reason for the ongoing economic stability and opportunities almost all of the western world benefits from.
There are left-wing ideas that have contributed, as much as there are right-wing ideas that have.

Which ones do you speak of specifically that have been pointed out? I don't want to go looking through the thread but i'm interested to know.

You also have the very tricky topic of genetics, which play a huge role as well.

Elaborate, please.
Some people are predispositioned to be smarter than others, as there are segments of the population that are naturally more athletic.

EUGENICS HO! :doge
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« Reply #12214 on: December 31, 2017, 03:33:30 PM »
The most pathetic fucks on this website base their identity around dumb forum drama

No one gives a shit about resetera in this thread you moron

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« Reply #12215 on: December 31, 2017, 04:34:27 PM »
The most pathetic fucks on this website base their identity around dumb forum drama

No one gives a shit about resetera in this thread you moron

hmmm.... i think you're wrong there chum.

EDIT: fuck my life. i can't even leave this place because of the potential crime. the police is on strike. god damn it. thankfully i met someone last weekend and she's coming over to cook  :)
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« Reply #12216 on: December 31, 2017, 07:37:46 PM »
The most pathetic fucks on this website base their identity around dumb forum drama

No one gives a shit about resetera in this thread you moron

I got told to go back to Era because I said TLJ was good.  :doge

Salt as far as the eye can see.  :rejoice

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« Reply #12217 on: December 31, 2017, 08:50:18 PM »
Another one of my favorites is people loving Japanese culture and everything about them when they completely shut out any type of immigration but of course the United States is the bad guy lol.
...They do?

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« Reply #12218 on: December 31, 2017, 11:32:41 PM »
Oscar Wilde quote: "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh or they will kill you." Reminded me of benji. Cheers everyone, happy new year. Especially to Nola, who I feel bad about ignoring every time he makes a good counterpoint. I always mean to respond but end up forgetting about the conversation entirely.

Yeah, I’ve seen benji kill several people before, you do not wanna cross that guy.
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« Reply #12219 on: December 31, 2017, 11:51:34 PM »
where is benjiiiiiiiiii   :stahp

never underestimate someone that can make you laugh and cry at the same time.

one more brazilian fruit drink down the hole  :yuck

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« Reply #12220 on: January 01, 2018, 05:34:50 PM »
where is benjiiiiiiiiii   :stahp

Mueller team got to him.
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« Reply #12221 on: January 01, 2018, 05:38:02 PM »
Oh fuck, we're being GRADED?
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« Reply #12222 on: January 01, 2018, 05:55:39 PM »
Oh fuck, we're being GRADED?

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« Reply #12223 on: January 01, 2018, 08:39:22 PM »
His activity always drops when a new quarter begins because he has to prepare and teach. Or maybe submitting grades.

OH YES.

An army of Benji's will soon be upon us.

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« Reply #12224 on: January 02, 2018, 08:27:45 AM »
I do love that people bring up Sweden when that country locked itself into isolation for years, making it a white ethno state of sorts, and then has war profiteering to thank for its financial basis. Progressive policy success right there.

I'm not sure how to wrap my head around this one. First, we never isolated ourselves. We've been roving all over the world in private enterprise since the viking era. It's just that no one was ever particularly interested in visiting us. Mostly because the "white ethno state" of Sweden was a peasant shithole with no economy, nothing interesting to see and the most distinguished mentally-challenged climate in the free world (besides maybe finland).

Staying of ww2 helped for sure, but we owe our current success almost entirely to a social democrat reign that combined promoting private enterprise with a good social safety net and perhaps most important of all - an actual and honest attempt to create a country with equality of opportunity. A gigantic project called "folkhemmet" that started in the 1930's or so and peaked when Olof Palme was assassinated in 1986.

So now you can post about Swedish financial successes in the future without sounding completely distinguished mentally-challenged.

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« Reply #12225 on: January 02, 2018, 11:15:17 AM »
Nailed it!
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« Reply #12226 on: January 02, 2018, 11:53:50 AM »
The man would take credit for the Sun rising in the morning.
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« Reply #12227 on: January 02, 2018, 02:02:48 PM »
I do love that people bring up Sweden when that country locked itself into isolation for years, making it a white ethno state of sorts, and then has war profiteering to thank for its financial basis. Progressive policy success right there.

I'm not sure how to wrap my head around this one. First, we never isolated ourselves. We've been roving all over the world in private enterprise since the viking era. It's just that no one was ever particularly interested in visiting us. Mostly because the "white ethno state" of Sweden was a peasant shithole with no economy, nothing interesting to see and the most distinguished mentally-challenged climate in the free world (besides maybe finland).

Staying of ww2 helped for sure, but we owe our current success almost entirely to a social democrat reign that combined promoting private enterprise with a good social safety net and perhaps most important of all - an actual and honest attempt to create a country with equality of opportunity. A gigantic project called "folkhemmet" that started in the 1930's or so and peaked when Olof Palme was assassinated in 1986.

So now you can post about Swedish financial successes in the future without sounding completely distinguished mentally-challenged.

I said war profiteering, which you retranslated as staying out of wars. Nah, I'm talking about selling to the warring countries and allowing their troop movements.

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In the Swiss wake, Portugal and Sweden have also arrived in the historical dock. Their governments' apparent lack of interest in the source of the Nazi gold they received in exchange for sales to Germany of tungsten, wood, sardines and iron ore has been widely criticized. As in Switzerland, the suspicion has emerged that they profited from the Nazi conquest, and genocide, and that their neutrality was simply a cloak for connivance.

''Sweden was not neutral, Sweden was weak,'' said Arne Ruth, a Swedish journalist who has written a book on the Third Reich. ''Its sales of iron ore made an important contribution to the German effort. It allowed German troops and weaponry through its territory to Norway. In 1943, its government told the central bank to ignore suspicions that German gold Sweden received was looted. What is interesting is that all these facts, more or less known for some time, are commanding such attention now.''

Your Folkhemmet is based on money made in the wars. That's how you began your welfare state. You had a low population and war profit. The seed of your social democracy comes from there.

Honestly, your "we've been exploring since the Vikings" sounds like some goofy school propaganda. Your country isolated itself from what was going on in the world but still lent out its mining and lumber industry to the war machines to make money in order to afford its welfare state.

You kind of agree, but you don't seem to get it. Your social democrat period is the isolation from world events in any way but profiteering. Your private industry is the profiteering.

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« Reply #12228 on: January 02, 2018, 02:23:03 PM »
Isolationism and war profiteering, what does it remind me of ? :thinking
At least they got a welfare state out of it.
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« Reply #12229 on: January 02, 2018, 05:28:42 PM »
as if Sweden wouldn't have sold that "tungsten, wood, sardines and iron ore" for profits in the hypothetical scenario where there was no war

get money -> tax that shit -> get welfare

I'm so bummed we don't have several generations of homeless veterans stalking the shadows ever watchful and protecting our homeland

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« Reply #12230 on: January 02, 2018, 06:00:54 PM »
and they're not pulling their weight, I tell you

too busy receiving aid

edit: I got curious and looked up the most recent report on homelessness in Sweden and damn we have a generous definition
like "renting apartment second hand" generous
so the rate of "acute homelessness" aka "does not have home and lives in car/tent" was less than half
for the US I looked on wikipedia, and the US includes "home instability from hardship and/or domestic violence" in their definition which is similarly generous

anyway I was looking for numbers and the numbers I got was 34,000 / 10,000,000 = 0.34% homeless Sweden as of 2017(most generous available definition), 1,593,150 / 323,000,000 = 0.49% homeless USA as of 2010(most generous available definition)

granted, Obama could have fixed all that in the intervening time
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« Reply #12231 on: January 02, 2018, 07:07:30 PM »
I do love that people bring up Sweden when that country locked itself into isolation for years, making it a white ethno state of sorts, and then has war profiteering to thank for its financial basis. Progressive policy success right there.

I'm not sure how to wrap my head around this one. First, we never isolated ourselves. We've been roving all over the world in private enterprise since the viking era. It's just that no one was ever particularly interested in visiting us. Mostly because the "white ethno state" of Sweden was a peasant shithole with no economy, nothing interesting to see and the most distinguished mentally-challenged climate in the free world (besides maybe finland).

Staying of ww2 helped for sure, but we owe our current success almost entirely to a social democrat reign that combined promoting private enterprise with a good social safety net and perhaps most important of all - an actual and honest attempt to create a country with equality of opportunity. A gigantic project called "folkhemmet" that started in the 1930's or so and peaked when Olof Palme was assassinated in 1986.

So now you can post about Swedish financial successes in the future without sounding completely distinguished mentally-challenged.

I said war profiteering, which you retranslated as staying out of wars. Nah, I'm talking about selling to the warring countries and allowing their troop movements.

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In the Swiss wake, Portugal and Sweden have also arrived in the historical dock. Their governments' apparent lack of interest in the source of the Nazi gold they received in exchange for sales to Germany of tungsten, wood, sardines and iron ore has been widely criticized. As in Switzerland, the suspicion has emerged that they profited from the Nazi conquest, and genocide, and that their neutrality was simply a cloak for connivance.

''Sweden was not neutral, Sweden was weak,'' said Arne Ruth, a Swedish journalist who has written a book on the Third Reich. ''Its sales of iron ore made an important contribution to the German effort. It allowed German troops and weaponry through its territory to Norway. In 1943, its government told the central bank to ignore suspicions that German gold Sweden received was looted. What is interesting is that all these facts, more or less known for some time, are commanding such attention now.''

Your Folkhemmet is based on money made in the wars. That's how you began your welfare state. You had a low population and war profit. The seed of your social democracy comes from there.

Honestly, your "we've been exploring since the Vikings" sounds like some goofy school propaganda. Your country isolated itself from what was going on in the world but still lent out its mining and lumber industry to the war machines to make money in order to afford its welfare state.

You kind of agree, but you don't seem to get it. Your social democrat period is the isolation from world events in any way but profiteering. Your private industry is the profiteering.

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Your Folkhemmet is based on money made in the wars. That's how you began your welfare state. You had a low population and war profit. The seed of your social democracy comes from there.

But i just told you the basics of how, when and why the welfare state began. Why would you double down like this?

Yes, as i said we profited after the war because much unlike the rest of Europe we weren't bombed back to the stoneage. Our infrastructure was intact. So we got a head start. But folkhemmet had already been a work in progress for 20 years. It didn't begin or end with the war. You seem to want to reduce a multi-generational project to just 5 years during the war? It seems a bit dense to be honest.

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So now you can post about Swedish financial successes in the future without sounding completely distinguished mentally-challenged.

I admit i was wrong here though. My bad and i take it back.

And your homeschooling tutor needs to explain the isolationist part a bit better, because i'm all wtf??? here.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| 2016 renewed for a 3rd season
« Reply #12232 on: January 02, 2018, 07:33:44 PM »
http://twitter.com/thehill/status/948342664856068097

This is the best presidency ever  :usacry

"As I said in December, we won't forget the Jerusalem vote," Haley said at a news conference. "To that end, tomorrow night, we are having a reception for the countries who chose not to oppose the U.S. position [on Jerusalem]."
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« Reply #12234 on: January 02, 2018, 09:30:41 PM »
Jfc


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« Reply #12236 on: January 02, 2018, 10:41:56 PM »
So supposedly with Hatch resigning there's a rumor that Mitt Romney might run as his replacement and Steve Bannon has said he'll campaign against Romney. I think Steve Bannon overthinks his power/influence. If Romney should run in Utah, him a favorite son of a strong mormon dynasty? It would take a miracle for him to lose.
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« Reply #12237 on: January 03, 2018, 01:01:47 AM »
Agreed Romney will likely win. The Mormons love him.

Also... if there was a mole in the trump campaign feeding the FBI information, it’s likely this thing is not even close to being done.

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« Reply #12238 on: January 03, 2018, 02:19:24 AM »
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I saw you say "Fuck this Fae Earth" instead of "Fuck this gay earth" earlier, and it was the gayest thing I've ever seen, like gay people would get mad if you said "gay". Fuck me, do you dorks ever hang out with real life people, do understand what real life people go through. We got bills to pay, mouths to feed. Rent to pay. Fuckin online shit. Yo you dudes need to get out on the streets, get in touch. It's good for you I swear, they aren'r\t just symbols you talk about they're people and they're cool.

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« Reply #12239 on: January 03, 2018, 02:29:05 AM »
Quote from: jorma
You seem to want to reduce a multi-generational project to just 5 years during the war? It seems a bit dense to be honest.

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