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« Reply #15360 on: March 14, 2018, 08:07:58 AM »
Lamb's got a 700 vote lead [about 0.3 percent points] in the Pennsylvania special election with 98% reporting.

Yeah that'll trigger a recount huh?

Edit: Looks like no, since it is local and not state. I dunno politics.

700 is close, but it’s probably not as close as you think. 700 for a state wide is really really close, but there’s only about 750K people in a congressional district and for a special election, probably well under half actually voted. So it’s probably like a .2% or so lead. Still extremely close, but less so than you might think.

On a side note,I’m sort of surprised the GOP or the Dems spent money in this race at all, since that seat is going away and it doesn’t affect their majority. It seems hardly worth the money.
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« Reply #15361 on: March 14, 2018, 09:23:42 AM »
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In the report, all four people involved in the incident recorded their occupations as “White Nationalist.”

What's the pay like for that? :thinking
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« Reply #15362 on: March 14, 2018, 09:28:41 AM »
about 14 cucks an hour
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« Reply #15364 on: March 14, 2018, 10:33:00 AM »
How do I sign up for Space Force?  I want to travel the cosmos and bang green skinned alien babes.

Ready to serve.   :salute :usacry

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« Reply #15365 on: March 14, 2018, 06:56:38 PM »
How do I sign up for Space Force?  I want to travel the cosmos and bang green skinned alien babes.

Ready to serve.   :salute :usacry

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« Reply #15366 on: March 14, 2018, 07:17:12 PM »
https://twitter.com/AlexPappas/status/974048834010611712

Lot of similar rumors flying around right now.

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« Reply #15367 on: March 14, 2018, 07:24:13 PM »
Honestly it kinda feels like it is inevitably going to happen, its just a matter of when and to a lesser extent how. Trying to appoint an already appointed toadie as temporary acting AG(didn't know you could do that?) seems like a pretty easy way to do it.

Trump's scared/worried of something enough that it is consuming him, even if the Nintex's and Benji's of the world are right and it has nothing to do with any legal improprieties Mueller would find involving him or people close to him and is just some internal bullshit.

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« Reply #15368 on: March 14, 2018, 07:31:45 PM »
Cool that Trump took on the Bush dynasty and Republican establishment so he could appoint Larry Kudlow and John Bolton.

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« Reply #15369 on: March 14, 2018, 07:39:58 PM »
Wait, I didn't even register that Bolton thing! Hold on to your butts.

Yeah he has apparently had at least one meeting with him recently.

Trump somehow manages to make even his worst decisions even worse. Tired of the unqualified, confrontational and opinionated national security advisor? Lets replace him with a Bush era hawk that tried his damndest to torpedo diplomatic outreach to North Korea in 2003, that learned none of the lessons of that period, and who's ever increasing war mongering could probably make Cheney and Wolfowitz blush today. Why? Because apparently Bolton is a very smooth one on one talker under that sexy mustache.  :lol
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Joe Molotov

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« Reply #15370 on: March 14, 2018, 07:42:04 PM »
Season 2 of The Apprentice President starting soon, set your DVRs.
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« Reply #15371 on: March 14, 2018, 07:48:50 PM »
I didn't know you could do that either. Wouldn't Rosenstein become AG?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3345

Looks like it would default to Rosenstein unless Trump appointed someone else, and that person would have to be either someone already approved by the Senate for another position or a top-level employee in the DoJ.

That's for an acting AG, not a permanent replacement (who'd still have to go through Senate confirmation), but an acting AG could still hypothetically pull the plug on Mueller.

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« Reply #15372 on: March 14, 2018, 09:29:20 PM »
We had a good run
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« Reply #15373 on: March 14, 2018, 09:55:23 PM »
Heh Trump has a perfect cover for firing Mueller "hey thr House Intel Committee concluded there was no collusion, there's no point continuing the independent investigation  :trumps "

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« Reply #15374 on: March 14, 2018, 09:55:56 PM »
NY Times: Trump fires Jeff Sessions, and in an unprecedented move appoints Energy Secretary to DOJ and immediately fires Mueller. Constitutional Crisis?'


Fox News: "Why are the Radical Left and MSM still unwilling to accept the results of the election? Trump has the constitutional authority to dismiss and appoint temporary people to fill agencies. The crisis is the fake news media attempting to delegitimize Trump's authority as president. Why do Democrats, the MSM, and the left hate America?"

Paul Ryan: "This was no small thing, but Mueller was clearly moving outside the bounds of his investigative purview and Sessions had lost the confidence of the president, and he has the authority to do this. Republicans and Democrats voted in Scott Pruitt. We still have a Senate investigation and we have a lot of items on our agenda up first, so I don't know when we will have the time to bring to vote any bill that will decide whether to re-establish Mueller."

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« Reply #15375 on: March 14, 2018, 11:24:23 PM »
Season 2 of The Apprentice President starting soon, set your DVRs.

I think you mean series finale if Bolton gets his war.

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« Reply #15376 on: March 14, 2018, 11:36:07 PM »
So whats the over under on Mueller not being brought back on via congress if Trump goes through with this? The House investigation ending does feel like the precursor.

Feels like The Wire when Lester followed the money and ended up on Claytons doorstep.
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« Reply #15377 on: March 14, 2018, 11:58:20 PM »
So whats the over under on Mueller not being brought back on via congress if Trump goes through with this? The House investigation ending does feel like the precursor.

Feels like The Wire when Lester followed the money and ended up on Claytons doorstep.

I'd personally put the chances at less than 40% if it is pre-November.

IMO though, if Trump could evolve into a slightly more competent wanna-be despot, he would fire Sessions, maybe fire Rosenstien, and than temporarily appoint Pruitt. Appoint Pruitt and just chill.  According to Mandark's link, the time limit on temporary appointments by the president is 210 days. Even if the nomination is rejected by the Senate the person seemingly can remain temporarily appointed for 210 days AFTER the rejection. Which TBH seems like something worth correcting.

Then just let Pruitt undermine the Mueller investigation by abusing his approval authority of how and where Mueller is allowed to take the investigation. Play spy/interference like some un-recused super Nunes. Let Fox News be Fox News and continue to poison the well. If things get too close than you axe him and go down that path.
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« Reply #15378 on: March 14, 2018, 11:59:41 PM »
I feel like it’s likely the house protects him but I’m not sure why they would.

Like it would clearly be electoral suicide. Like you think the democrats are engaged, now?!

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« Reply #15379 on: March 15, 2018, 12:09:06 AM »
I think the fight would be in the Senate, over the confirmation of the replacement AG. Dems demand any nominee promises to restore Mueller (or appoint another special counsel) and see if they can get two Republicans to join them, etc.

And maybe Trump tries to run the clock out by keeping a quasi-permanent "acting" AG in place, in which case...


alright let's get a constitutional crisis up in this bitch

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« Reply #15380 on: March 15, 2018, 12:17:09 AM »
North Korea could be a spectacular foreign policy accomplishment

also if he wipes out the debt by discovering the legendary city of el dorado

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« Reply #15381 on: March 15, 2018, 12:20:30 AM »
I feel like it’s likely the house protects him but I’m not sure why they would.

Like it would clearly be electoral suicide. Like you think the democrats are engaged, now?!
I think the president's really set himself up well for reelection, actually. The tariffs buttress his hold on old labor areas, he passed a sizable tax cut on businesses and citizens, North Korea could be a spectacular foreign policy accomplishment, he shit talks Palestine, and he's unapologetic on the immigrant question, so overall he's shaping up to be a pretty great nativist Republican president. Unfortunately, he still manages to be his own worst enemy. For all these successes the public should be fairly forgiving to him but his numerous administrative failures, his public persona, his staffing turnover, and his continuous circus of self inflicted scandals are sinking his approval (although it's not terrible). Not to mention he's depressing the fuck of out Republicans, which is evidenced by these Congressional elections. It's ironic because he was the best possible person to run against Hillary Clinton and is the worst possible person to be president during a Republican trifecta.

I still think he can manage a 2020 reelection depending on the circumstances. But boy did he throw these midterms.

And how fucked are we if that happens

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« Reply #15382 on: March 15, 2018, 12:26:06 AM »
No, I think a Trump administration with a Democratic Congress would be largely uneventful. Actually, you might see him overdevelop his populist angle. Although I'd still be worried about long-standing damage he produces to specific institutions.

Would be morbidly satisfying for republicans to cry about every trump thing the dems block

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« Reply #15383 on: March 15, 2018, 12:27:00 AM »
I'd be hard-pressed to say he has set himself up well for re-election(for instance exit polls in most elections seems to indicate healthcare is still the overwhelming policy concern of voters and Trump catastrophically blew that), he only won by 75,000 votes in three states, but I definitely think he can win.

He could do pretty much anything from here out, assuming no new recession, and walk into the general election with 46% of the electorate and positioned competitively in the electoral college.

Trump's problem is he won't be running against the 30 years of accumulated toxicity that was Hillary Clinton, and his opponent will have the advantage of learning the campaign lessons of Hillary and not taking for granted states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to campaign late in places like Arizona.

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« Reply #15384 on: March 15, 2018, 12:48:46 AM »
His approval ratings really are that bad, mostly just because he is so polarizing. They are particularly bad when you realize that he is the only reason they are bad and he hasn’t really had to deal with any true national crises.

Also, there’s even odds that he crashes the economy, or at least slows down growth... latest Q1 estimate is 1.8%, and he’s promising 3%. Gravity will eventually catch up with him on the economy like it has everywhere else.

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« Reply #15385 on: March 15, 2018, 12:55:51 AM »
It's pretty terrible, yeah.

However, his approval ratings were lower than Hillary's. They were also towards the bottom of the GOP field which he won. And Hillary's were lower than Bernie's who she beat easily so in conclusion I don't know and nothing matters any more.

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« Reply #15386 on: March 15, 2018, 12:58:07 AM »
It’s pretty bad when you have like 3 quarters of 3%+ growth.

As for the economy it really depends on how this tariff thing goes down. It doesn’t seem like a big deal until it does. I suspect China and others are going to shit all over Ag imports, and I don’t think Trump is smart enough to back off and will instead try to double down.

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« Reply #15387 on: March 15, 2018, 12:59:39 AM »
Is... 40% that bad for an American president?
Also, there’s even odds that he crashes the economy, or at least slows down growth... latest Q1 estimate is 1.8%, and he’s promising 3%. Gravity will eventually catch up with him on the economy like it has everywhere else.
Really not sure what he's doing here that would crash the economy. I think it's more likely he just explodes the deficit some more and then makes this exact same face:
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No US President since Ford has polled this poorly for this long to start their first term. And it's not even really that close.
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« Reply #15388 on: March 15, 2018, 01:04:51 AM »
It's pretty terrible, yeah.

However, his approval ratings were lower than Hillary's. They were also towards the bottom of the GOP field which he won. And Hillary's were lower than Bernie's who she beat easily so in conclusion I don't know and nothing matters any more.

Yeah but Hillary's ratings were very good with Democrats iirc and she did beat Trump by 3 million votes in the general.

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« Reply #15389 on: March 15, 2018, 01:09:56 AM »

Healthcare was a seriously good pillar in the "Republicans are hate the working class" narrative. I'm worried that it'll be ancient news by the time the presidential election rolls around.

Disagree he could do anything. You already covered recession but a serious foreign policy failure would critically catalyze Americans' distrust in his capacity for the job. Actually, even a small domestic crisis could trigger this. For instance, there's a nontrivial chance the immigration crackdowns could turn into some serious event somewhere, like an ICE raid gone wrong. So my estimation is that he's fragile right now but if it's smooth sailing from here (and lol, is it ever?) he'd have a lot of (Republican-ish) accomplishments under his belt. And by the way - even if it wasn't true that Trump is positioned strongly, it's not totally clear to me that the Democrats have figured out successfully how to be a unified opposition party. The messaging still isn't coherent enough. Just look at wet towel Joe Kennedy III who turned out to be a pro-life guy. Feel free to disagree with me here.

The thing with healthcare politics is that annual premium increase notices have yet to cease going out every year. Usually within the window that elections are held. So IMO healthcare concerns are unlikely to go anywhere any time soon.


And yeah, Obviously if he does something catastrophic or triggers some event that truly captures the public's attention against him he could erode more of that 46% I'm spotting him. I was assuming a non destabilizing catastrophe saying that. But lets keep in mind you are claiming he is set up well despite all the catastrophes he has already overseen in the first year. I'm just saying that assuming we ride a wave similar to how the last year has gone for another 3, I could see the starting line of 2020 looking somewhat how I framed it. Which was sort of me agreeing with you to an extent.

At the same time we are sort of talking about 3 years from now. It's probably just a bit premature to go  far down that rabbit hole. By 1983 Reagan was panicking at 35% approval ratings, in 1991 H.W. was fucking around with 80% approval ratings. A year later? Volker lowered interest rates and Reagan won an overwhelming re-election and shoe-in second term Bush lost to long-shot Bill Clinton. Shit can change in a year, let alone 3.

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« Reply #15390 on: March 15, 2018, 01:15:49 AM »
Yeah but Hillary's ratings were very good with Democrats iirc and she did beat Trump by 3 million votes in the general.

True, though I think her favorability advantage was better than her popular vote win.

Basically I think Trump's lousy approval is real and a drag on the GOP, but even if it stays at ~40% there could be enough people who don't like him and still vote for him that he wins the election, since that already happened once.

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« Reply #15391 on: March 15, 2018, 01:17:23 AM »
Is... 40% that bad for an American president?
Also, there’s even odds that he crashes the economy, or at least slows down growth... latest Q1 estimate is 1.8%, and he’s promising 3%. Gravity will eventually catch up with him on the economy like it has everywhere else.
Really not sure what he's doing here that would crash the economy. I think it's more likely he just explodes the deficit some more and then makes this exact same face:
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Not taking the position an economic downturn is some imminent inevitability but.....

...He is flirting with a trade war, an over juked stock market, poking the banking de-regulation bear legislatively and regulatorily, and over-flooding the investments side of the economy while the wage and demand side is not really growing at a rate to support it.


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« Reply #15392 on: March 15, 2018, 01:29:21 AM »
I will say, I'm a pretty big fan of him blocking Qualcomm from getting hostily takenover. :trumps

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« Reply #15393 on: March 15, 2018, 01:44:13 AM »

Healthcare was a seriously good pillar in the "Republicans are hate the working class" narrative. I'm worried that it'll be ancient news by the time the presidential election rolls around.

The thing with healthcare politics is that annual premium increase notices have yet to cease going out every year. Usually within the window that elections are held. So IMO healthcare concerns are unlikely to go anywhere any time soon.

+1 to that.

Also in 2016 Trump had no record and was free to tell wild lies about his healthcare plan.

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« Reply #15394 on: March 15, 2018, 01:46:49 AM »
Would dems winning in 2018 be a motivator for turn out in 2020, or could it actually be the opposite?

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« Reply #15395 on: March 15, 2018, 02:02:08 AM »
Trump's not a populist and has already said he'd support two bipartisan compromises (Dream Act and background checks for guns) only to kneecap them when conservatives got in his ear about it. No way he pushes for a big expansion of government-subsidized or -provided health insurance.

Which would still need like 10-15 Republican votes in the Senate, depending.

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« Reply #15396 on: March 15, 2018, 02:39:28 AM »
Nola: the president's a paper tiger. Remember when he said he'd pull out of NAFTA and Canada and Mexico and everyone else on the planet convinced him not to? He's not going to start a trade war, he's just too damn pliable when the heat's on him.

Also, we just had a stock market correction. Not that this is my wheelhouse. If you could point me to someone who isn't a pundit saying what you're saying, I'd appreciate it.


I'm really just offering my own opinion about why I don't quite agree with the assessment that he isn't doing anything with the potential to notably harm the economy. Again, not saying it is imminent, guaranteed, or anything like that(I could just be plain wrong, wouldn't be the first time), just pointing out ways that historically and economically such signals and actions have sometimes been preceding factors that can result in business cycle downturns.

I'll keep things in spoilers so I don't shit up the thread with a particular nauseating example of my incapacity for brevity(feel free to ignore if your eyes glaze over or you just want to "nope" out).

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- Trump is now in the process of stoking the flames of a trade war. We aren't there and might not ever get there, that is true, but it is in the cards based on the actions taken. We are raising tariffs on steel. Meanwhile Europe and China have vowed to retaliate. It is a pretty strong consensus that tariffs like this are going to be an economic  net negative for the aggressor(and, well, everyone). 1  2. You are right that Trump is a bit of a pussy when it comes to this, but he is also someone that hates to look weak. Will he cower and not strike back if the retaliation triggers him? Will he be like Bush and cut and run, removing the tariffs after the heat of the counter-tariffs on cheese in Wisconsin threatens a needed congressional seat? IDK, but we have to leave open the possibility he won't do the right thing, even if Ludlow tries to push him safely away from the ledge if his instincts are to double down. Which they certainly can be.

- On the stock market. Trump has just appointed what may or may not be an inflation hawk(he once was pretty notably one but has more recently vaguely praised Yellen's approach, so who knows), but he has already spooked markets a bit with his talk of routine raising of interest rates along with rising equity prices. Which are likely to continue with 3, maybe up to 6 more rate increases in the coming year(s). If more than expected it could spook markets. That could theoretically put a bit of a hamper on stock market growth. In a real  :doge sense, some have argued there are shades of 1987: record stock market, rising interest rates following a period of major growth, rising equities and a weakening dollar. Like Scott Minerd pointed out.  Of course you can find counter-arguments aplenty. And just as you can find Goldman Sachs chief economists projecting a potential 10-25% drop if 10 year yields continue their trend of rising up toward 3-4.5%, you can find counter arguments saying 4% is unlikely. My only point is that the potential is there and Trump(and the GOP) certainly helped push the market up with the regulatory decisions and the tax cuts that have sugar rushed the markets.

- As for deregulations, the ironically sponsored Crapo bill just passed the Senate. While it does some things I would agree with, like raising the bank stress test threshold that I think on a bi-partisan level is felt to be set far too low and been too burdensome on smaller banks. However, it very likely is over-correcting. Since it raises it to basically 250 billion. Which for reference would of excluded companies like Lehman and Countrywide from the sort of stress tests we put in place specifically to prevent another 2008. You are basically raising the threshold above the level we already know there is more than enough systemic risk to drag down the economy. On top of that you have Trump filling the regulatory agencies with cronies and de-rgulatory patsies with a mission to undercut enforcement, which is very reminiscent of the regulatory environment found in 2008. So that is my logic there.

- As to the point about the distributional effects relative to the investments vs demand side of the economy. I'm basically pulling from a person, Yaneer-Bar-Yam, I have a lot of respect for and I think I even linked his paper here once. His findings basically present the idea that there has been a consistent overflow of money into the investments and returns loop of the economy since the mid 1980's(in the form of tax cuts, corporate welfare, benefits cuts, etc.) where the production sector has become flush with capital, which has put it further and further out of balance with the consumption and wages loop of the economy. The result is that it leads the economy to hitting an economic wall roughly every 10 years and we get a recession(and if you look at the last few decades of business cycle history, we hit another recession pretty regularly every 7-10 years). Which in response, monetary policy does most of the heavy lifting and attempts to rectify this by reducing interest rates because its the only lever it has, which helps us ease out(and itself has been pushed near its maximum) but doesn't prevent us from running back into the wall again due to the underlying structural imbalance that continually is failing to be corrected. They lay the preliminary solution at fiscal polciies that help better balance those two things. I.E. massive redistributions of wealth to the struggling sectors as being the most obvious and efficient corrective solution. If these findings have merit, and based on his track record predicting and analyzing the causations of the Arab Spring, I tend to think they likely have some, Trump has already taken a number of actions that would exacerbate that issue.




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« Reply #15397 on: March 15, 2018, 02:48:19 AM »
Due to pressure from his party. But again, when that party doesn't hold a majority in either house... the calculus changes significantly.
Both those examples were bipartisan bills, and I don't think potential reprisal from the Congressional GOP was what changed his mind.

Trump cares about his base, the people at his rallies. In that sense there's maybe more wiggle room than with a typical Republican, but it's not a crowd that's going to like him signing a Democratic health care bill. Shit, all it would take is one host from Fox and Friends saying Pelosi thought she could trick him into supporting it cause she thinks she's smarter than him and it's over.

More broadly, we've got two and a half years of Trump caving to the orthodox GOP position on basically everything except free trade. I'm not going to hold my breath.

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« Reply #15398 on: March 15, 2018, 03:09:07 AM »
(feel free to ignore if your eyes glaze over or you just want to "nope" out)
this is never how I feel about any of your posts.

I can respond tomorrow when I have more time. But I do want to say before I head to bed that we talked about the fed at length last year when yellen was getting replaced and we managed to avoid the calamitous choice and make the best possible one, so I think it's worth mentioning you have a fairly alarmist track record when it comes to discussing fed policy. :P

To be fair I think most of that discussion was centering around the period where Warsh was the reported front-runner I kept hearing to replace Yellen.  And it was more in the context of I think a Paul Krugman article or something? Where he was concerning over Trump's potential fed appointee? And I dont think - especially as we hear about Pompeo and Gina Haspel getting nominated - that Trump than or now has really earned the benefit of a doubt.

I try not to ever guarantee anything, so I can't imagine I was doing anything more than raising the point about why I thought concern is warranted. As I think it probably should be by default with Trump TBH....But I didn't really make any predictive points in that most recent meandering mess on this page.  If Goldman Sachs PHD economists can't always forecast accurately, my lowly undergrad in Econ certainly doesn't qualify me.




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« Reply #15399 on: March 15, 2018, 10:46:29 AM »
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/parents-of-seth-rich-slam-fox-news-on-gma-they-took-more-from-us-with-the-lies/
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The parents of slain Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich appeared on Good Morning America to speak out about the lawsuit they just filed against Fox News.

Joel and Mary Rich spoke with ABC News’ Tom Llamas about the suit against Fox News, an investigative reporter and a network guest over a retracted report by the outlet that added fuel to the conspiracy that their son was killed because of his ties to Wikileaks.

“Throughout my interview with the family they described the torture of dealing with their son’s murder while battling with what they called lies from the Fox News Channel,” Llamas said.

“I want the people who started the lies, who are responsible for the lies held accountable,” an emotional Mary Rich said on GMA. “This has gotta stop. This has gotta stop in America. And we’re gonna try to help stop it.”

Mary also pushed back on the claims that her son had any of the DNC’s emails that the conspiracy theory alleges he sent to Wikileaks.

“His computer didn’t have anything on it. He would never have done it,” she said on GMA.

Etiolate better lawyer up. They comin'.
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« Reply #15401 on: March 15, 2018, 11:20:19 AM »
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/parents-of-seth-rich-slam-fox-news-on-gma-they-took-more-from-us-with-the-lies/
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The parents of slain Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich appeared on Good Morning America to speak out about the lawsuit they just filed against Fox News.

Joel and Mary Rich spoke with ABC News’ Tom Llamas about the suit against Fox News, an investigative reporter and a network guest over a retracted report by the outlet that added fuel to the conspiracy that their son was killed because of his ties to Wikileaks.

“Throughout my interview with the family they described the torture of dealing with their son’s murder while battling with what they called lies from the Fox News Channel,” Llamas said.

“I want the people who started the lies, who are responsible for the lies held accountable,” an emotional Mary Rich said on GMA. “This has gotta stop. This has gotta stop in America. And we’re gonna try to help stop it.”

Mary also pushed back on the claims that her son had any of the DNC’s emails that the conspiracy theory alleges he sent to Wikileaks.

“His computer didn’t have anything on it. He would never have done it,” she said on GMA.

Etiolate better lawyer up. They comin'.

That's what you think.

Etoilet about to sprinkle some L's on Seth Rich's parents like he's the L Bae

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« Reply #15402 on: March 15, 2018, 01:12:30 PM »
There are trolls in the comment section saying exactly that. "The parents are in on it!"

Even when its proved in court that these were lies, it won't change any of these people minds.
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« Reply #15403 on: March 15, 2018, 01:52:13 PM »
This is also the second lawsuit.

The first was by the spokesman for the story Rod Wheeler. Who is suing Fox News for defamation for fabricating and attributing quotes and sources to him that he has the email and text message receipts to prove they are bullshit. That he confronted Fox News management and editorial directors about it and they refused to do anything. And that Zimmerman/Butowski's story was developed and released with coordination from the White House: Spicer, Bannon, and the director of public affairs at the DOJ Sarah Flores.

But the etiolate's of the world have their mind made up this has legitimacy because Julain Assange, Kimdotcom, and conspiracy sites retweeted about it.

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« Reply #15404 on: March 15, 2018, 02:12:07 PM »
Rumbler, that's pretty specious reasoning. You have no idea if his approval rating will go up. And his approval rating is still above Obama's and Clinton's lows, both of whom still ended up winning reelection after hitting those lows.

Anyway I actually agree with the consensus here which is that it signals distate for the president. But I don't think it's necessarily abyssmal or predictive. I think all you can say is that he's vulnerable to a crisis.

Other Presidents at least started out with generally favorable polling before dipping even close to what Trump has sat at for over a year, and that's the point. Trump never had a majority that supported him but got turned off over time or by certain programs/bills/outside forces that could potentially be swayed back into supporting him if things change. It's certainly possible that Trump's approval go above 50% at some point, like past President did during the latter half of their first term, but no modern President has been more popular at the end of their first term than at the start.
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« Reply #15405 on: March 15, 2018, 03:00:47 PM »
Mueller Subpoenas Trump Organization, Demanding Documents About Russia

I can't help but feel like the important word is "subpoenas."

I can't believe Mueller would go after a job creator like this.
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« Reply #15406 on: March 15, 2018, 03:08:09 PM »
Rumbler, that's pretty specious reasoning. You have no idea if his approval rating will go up. And his approval rating is still above Obama's and Clinton's lows, both of whom still ended up winning reelection after hitting those lows.

Anyway I actually agree with the consensus here which is that it signals distate for the president. But I don't think it's necessarily abyssmal or predictive. I think all you can say is that he's vulnerable to a crisis.

Other Presidents at least started out with generally favorable polling before dipping even close to what Trump has sat at for over a year, and that's the point. Trump never had a majority that supported him but got turned off over time or by certain programs/bills/outside forces that could potentially be swayed back into supporting him if things change. It's certainly possible that Trump's approval go above 50% at some point, like past President did during the latter half of their first term, but no modern President has been more popular at the end of their first term than at the start.

I just don’t see what can happen that will shift public perception significantly in Trumpa direction.

He has had like 4 quarters of good economic growth and no major crises outside of his own creation. Dow is near all time highs

He is completely plagued by scandals and crises that stem 100% from his own design. If the Democrats win the house, this will only get worse, because the one half of Congress will be actually investigating all of these issues instead of runnning interference.

It seems that the best possible outcome for trump is that his approval gets marginally better, or just doesn’t get worse. Like what policy position can he possibly take that is going to convince any of the 51% of the US population strongly disapprove of him that they actually approve of him slightly.

It would seem to me that he can maybe touch 45% approval if he hits homer in after homerun.... but we all know he is incapable of that.

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« Reply #15407 on: March 15, 2018, 03:09:36 PM »
Actually, even a small domestic crisis could trigger this. For instance, there's a nontrivial chance the immigration crackdowns could turn into some serious event somewhere, like an ICE raid gone wrong.

I typed and deleted a fairly cynical comment about what it would take for an ICE raid to bother people who currently support Trump.

I guess we'll see.


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« Reply #15409 on: March 15, 2018, 03:48:21 PM »
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« Reply #15412 on: March 15, 2018, 05:09:29 PM »
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« Reply #15414 on: March 15, 2018, 08:01:59 PM »
Anyone seen this?


Trump is making insane decisions but at least they are his own.
President Clinton at this point would've been the puppet of her handlers.
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« Reply #15415 on: March 15, 2018, 08:04:43 PM »
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Trump is making insane decisions but at least they are his own.

A lot of time they aren't, though. I mean, how many times have we seen Trump come out and say something crazy, only for it to be walked back a few days [or even hours] later? Never mind the multiple stories about Trump espousing the views or ideas of the last person he talked to.
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« Reply #15416 on: March 15, 2018, 08:05:02 PM »
Anyone seen this?


Trump is making insane decisions but at least they are his own.
President Clinton at this point would've been the puppet of her handlers.
Look, doing the whole "Weekend at Bernie's" thing is harder and more tiring that it looks. They slipped up a little.

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« Reply #15417 on: March 15, 2018, 08:09:40 PM »
So the nominee for CIA head is implicated in a Bush-era torture program.

But today ProPublica retracted its story about that.

Except she's still implicated in the decision to destroy evidence of the torture, and things are still classified so the retraction itself isn't based on documentary evidence.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeee.

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« Reply #15418 on: March 15, 2018, 08:13:32 PM »
So the nominee for CIA head is implicated in a Bush-era torture program.

But today ProPublica retracted its story about that.

So the story was retracted, but you still think it's true? I knew Willco was right: both sides really are the same.


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« Reply #15419 on: March 15, 2018, 08:15:24 PM »
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Trump is making insane decisions but at least they are his own.

A lot of time they aren't, though. I mean, how many times have we seen Trump come out and say something crazy, only for it to be walked back a few days [or even hours] later? Never mind the multiple stories about Trump espousing the views or ideas of the last person he talked to.


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