US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Tasty]

Conservatives getting so huffy and having to wean themselves off the tech companies that are the product of capitalism they're constantly cocksucking.

DuckDuckGo

Gab

We'd probably see a mass exodust of conservative Amazon users to Walmart, but they're already there.

[agrajag]

Wtf is DuckDuckGo? Is that where Cindi finds all her duck tales?

[etiolate]

it's a search engine with (hopefully) more privacy

also, tasty has jacked it to that walmart butt for certain

[Tasty]

I'm not demi breh, I have standards.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*audience laughs*

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[nachobro]

To quote the illustrious Stone Cold Steve Austin...DTA: Don't Trust Anyone

[Tasty]

DuckDuckGo

trust google brehs

Who said anything about trust?

[Himu]

We still don’t have a trend just yet but it’s very, very good news.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/centrist-incumbents-tested-in-illinois-primaries-1521583137

The result was championed by centrist activists who said Mr. Lipinski’s victory showed some voters have an appetite for middle-of-the-road politics in the Trump era, but it disappointed progressives who sought to purge one of the few remaining elected Democrats who opposes abortion rights.

“This is the political center in this country finally striking back,” said Ryan Clancy, the chief strategist for No Labels. “You have the tea party of the left and it’s leaving no room for anybody else who has any deviation from party orthodoxy and that is a disaster in our view.”

Fight them to save the party from itself

Now to see the Democratic response. Willl they continue their march leftward over a cliff? Or will they return to the center? They acknowledged with Lamb’s victory that they need centrism to win this November. But will they actually enforce it and allow it? Progressives dissenting with those who don’t fall for the national party line risk creating a further bridge between Democrats. *grabs popcorn* What a story. And all that with the backing of abortion activists. Good riddance.

This political season is heating up! *rubs hands*

I read this op-ed this morning. Sounds like typical Democratic Party.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/abortion-over-obamacare-1521585193

Austin bomber is dead and all of this good news (tm). Good news day.

[kingv]

Conor Lamb is basically a mainstream democrat.

He’s slightly to the right of the party on gun control, and slightly to the right on abortion, but he still supports stronger background checks and opposes a 20 week federal ban on abortion, like many others in the Democratic Party.

Anyone trying to call him trump lite is spinning like crazy, when he supports sterengthening the ACA, supporting unions, investing in infrastructure, and preserving current  social security and Medicare benefits, and student debt relief.

I’m pretty liberal and I’d vote for Conor Lamb pretty easily.

[Phoenix Dark]

Republicans painting Lamb as some semi republican cracks me up. Before the election he was Pelosi's butt boy/MS-13 sympathizer. Now he's Eisenhower huh. 

[Great Rumbler]

It's easier for the GOP to paint Lamb as basically a Republican rather than admit that Trump is dragging the whole party down.

[agrajag]

Replace "abortion" with "transgender related healthcare."

[kingv]

I don’t want to pay for some dude’s estrogen pills and any compilications arising from that.

It’s a personal choice to become a woman. You could just like, stand up when you pee.

[Phoenix Dark]

If private insurance covers abortion, then everyone insured through that company subsidizes it. Some tiny fraction of my Kaiser premium goes to subsidize other people's abortions every month. There's no way to just carve me out of that if I happen to disagree with abortion morally. Cash is fungible.

This is just how insurance works at every level.

If I made a list of Political/Policy Dumb Shit That People Think, "I don't want my tax dollars financing [insert medical procedure]" is in the top 5.

This list would also include "I'd rather make x amount a year than make xy a year because it'll bump me into a higher tax bracket" and "the federal government's budget is just like your household budget."
 

[Trent Dole]

This thread used to be a good check/counter point to all the doomsaying I see on twatter, now it's just

[Steve Contra]

Read the wsj opinion page brehs 

[Tasty]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43490247

In the blog called "Defining my Stance", he purportedly describes beliefs that "gay marriage should be illegal", opposition to abortion and why the sex offender registry should be eliminated.

In the blog, he defines himself as "a conservative".

[Brehvolution]

I bet he was a big fan of milo.

[Optimus]

Liberals:

"lol at FlOptimus suggesting that SJWs pushed people towards the alt-right with their authoritarianism, accusations and disgusting behavior"

Also liberals:

"lol WTF a trans person has been pushed to the alt-right? WTF is wrong with you Cindi? I'm sure this has nothing to do with SJWs, afterall they're just a tiiiiiiiiiny minority"


I love this thread now but at the same time I don't think Cindi deserves to be pushed to the rightwing hellhole of an ideology because of the assholes this forum is constantly trying to downplay. At least vote for 3rd party, Cindi.

[Steve Contra]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-fired-fbi-official-authorized-criminal-probe-sessions/story?id=53914006

These fucking people

[brawndolicious]

Wow that's amazingly stupid.

[kingv]

“Here’s your candor, bitch”

[thehunter116]

Cindy arguing the reason Lapinski won is for centrists and moderates when it was Chicago Machine politics and old boys club that got him the win.


Guess who he supports Cindi? Madigan and Pritzker and Raoul. Three people all over the leftist/liberal map.

[Nabbis]

And you dare call that other thread trash. 

[Nola]

Liberals:

"lol at FlOptimus suggesting that SJWs pushed people towards the alt-right with their authoritarianism, accusations and disgusting behavior"

Also liberals:

"lol WTF a trans person has been pushed to the alt-right? WTF is wrong with you Cindi? I'm sure this has nothing to do with SJWs, afterall they're just a tiiiiiiiiiny minority"


I love this thread now but at the same time I don't think Cindi deserves to be pushed to the rightwing hellhole of an ideology because of the assholes this forum is constantly trying to downplay. At least vote for 3rd party, Cindi.

Cindi seemingly bounces around from group identity to group identity on basically an annual basis.

This time last year the board was pointing out how irrational she was being with her militant Social Studies Warrior schtick on GAF, now it's her increased fetishizing of guns and her sudden race toward the GOP politics orbiting it. Who knows where she will be in 6 months? Mandark's batting a thousand so I'll go with him on whatever idea he has next.

[TVC15]

Liberals:

"lol at FlOptimus suggesting that SJWs pushed people towards the alt-right with their authoritarianism, accusations and disgusting behavior"

Also liberals:

"lol WTF a trans person has been pushed to the alt-right? WTF is wrong with you Cindi? I'm sure this has nothing to do with SJWs, afterall they're just a tiiiiiiiiiny minority"


I love this thread now but at the same time I don't think Cindi deserves to be pushed to the rightwing hellhole of an ideology because of the assholes this forum is constantly trying to downplay. At least vote for 3rd party, Cindi.

Cindi seemingly bounces around from group identity to group identity on basically an annual basis.

This time last year the board was pointing out how irrational she was being with her militant Social Studies Warrior schtick on GAF, now it's her increased fetishizing of guns and her sudden race toward the GOP politics orbiting it. Who knows where she will be in 6 months? Mandark's batting a thousand so I'll go with him on whatever idea he has next.

I have a good guess but I don’t want Cindi to see it because it might alter her path. I should write it down and stick it in an envelope and open it in a year.

[Nola]

I have a friend who morphed from hardcore “taxation is theft” libertarian to “property is theft” communist in like a year. It’s weird.

Meanwhile I’m over here with the same neoliberal corporate shill views I’ve had for years.

A former boss of mine from when I was a few years out of college went from a full on Fox News touting birther/madrassa conspiracy/terrorist fist bump espousing anti-Obama conservative... to attending anti-Trump rallies and calling Obama the classiest president we have had in his lifetime.

The thing that initially got him to start flipping? Trump's crass and disrespectful speaking style and his boorish mannerisms and self presentation. Just thought he was a clown(for good reason) like some of the annoying hard-sales people in that industry and was annoyed when people in his party gravitated toward him... One anchoring thing that disrupted his sense of political identity and a couple years later he's ready for UHC and Obama's place on Mt. Rushmore.

[Tasty]

Progressivism

Treating humans with respect regardless of their race, sexuality, or identity

Sharing the wealth

Being against kids getting gunned down en masse every week

A woman's right to choose

Universal health care

[kingv]

I kind of give a pass for people who do big flips in ideology right after or during college. Life experience will definitely shape your politics and shit can come at you really fast in your 20s.

[Tasty]

I kind of give a pass for people who do big flips in ideology right after or during college. Life experience will definitely shape your politics and shit can come at you really fast in your 20s.

I can't really talk, like many people my parents' conservatism highly influenced me going into high school. Started to break away when I saw the gays were just normal people (who I would eventually join...), then shifted pretty definitively when I got to Boston and came out as gay.

The first big crack in the ice was around climate change. That it's even a debate in America (and really, only America as far as western democracies goes), was and will always be ridiculous.

[Nola]

I kind of give a pass for people who do big flips in ideology right after or during college. Life experience will definitely shape your politics and shit can come at you really fast in your 20s.

I can't really talk, like many people my parents' conservatism highly influenced me going into high school. Started to break away when I saw the gays were just normal people (who I would eventually join...), then shifted pretty definitively when I got to Boston and came out as gay.

The first big crack in the ice was around climate change. That it's even a debate in America (and really, only America as far as western democracies goes), was and will always be ridiculous.

Similar. Raised in a strict Irish/Catholic Republican household, didn't really think about politics for the first 16 years of my life, began my slivers of skepticism because of gay rights and social policy issues(had an older step-cousin that was gay and saw him at a family gathering a week after he was jumped by a bunch of shitheels after a gay/straight alliance at his school, which really got to me at the time because I looked up to him).

But honestly it was UHC that formally broke me away(another issue only America faces thanks to Republican resistance). Had my first public policy class and randomly picked healthcare policy as my project, thinking it would be easy to argue America has the best healthcare in the world like my family always said, only to realize I struggled to make the case and ended up flipping myself and telling my teacher half way through the semester I had to change my position. Which basically broke the dam and made me begin to challenge most of the assumptions I was raised with.

[Stoney Mason]

It's perfectly fine to evolve a personal ideology. We all will do that from cradle to grave.

That being said

A.) It's not necessary to publicly flog your evolution as if you are the christ child born anew enlightening the dirty masses
B.) When you still mis-use facts and logic and just switch from being wrong on one side to wrong on the other, there is no real personal growth happening there. You are just whiplashing from one idiotic position to the opposite idiotic position.

and (old man rant)
 
C.) I think social media has been for the worse in this case. Before you use to have to struggle in a complex world to form a personal ideology. The journey being the reward kinda thing. Now you can use a bunch of people who are just as dumb as you as a support group to backup your dumb views. You can bubble yourself off just as easily in online interactions as you can in personal interactions.

[Tasty]

I also think social media is for the worse, but from a different angle. Before, if you said some stupid shit, it ended there. Now, when you post online, it's always there, and so people double down on it - either to prevent being seen as a hypocrite, or because they get some gradually-increasing pushback which makes them dig their heels in.

[Joe Molotov]

Progressivism

Treating humans with respect regardless of their race, sexuality, or identity

Sharing the wealth

Being against kids getting gunned down en masse every week

A woman's right to choose

Universal health care

It’s a radical essjaydubya, paw git the gun!

[Tasty]

In any case we should all subscribe to the ideology of noted philosophers, Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan.

[Optimus]

Liberals:

"lol at FlOptimus suggesting that SJWs pushed people towards the alt-right with their authoritarianism, accusations and disgusting behavior"

Also liberals:

"lol WTF a trans person has been pushed to the alt-right? WTF is wrong with you Cindi? I'm sure this has nothing to do with SJWs, afterall they're just a tiiiiiiiiiny minority"


I love this thread now but at the same time I don't think Cindi deserves to be pushed to the rightwing hellhole of an ideology because of the assholes this forum is constantly trying to downplay. At least vote for 3rd party, Cindi.

Cindi seemingly bounces around from group identity to group identity on basically an annual basis.

This time last year the board was pointing out how irrational she was being with her militant Social Studies Warrior schtick on GAF, now it's her increased fetishizing of guns and her sudden race toward the GOP politics orbiting it. Who knows where she will be in 6 months? Mandark's batting a thousand so I'll go with him on whatever idea he has next.

So she's like the average voter except she knows much more about politics?

[Mandark]

Who knows where she will be in 6 months? Mandark's batting a thousand so I'll go with him on whatever idea he has next.

I've become Rob Schneider in Surf Ninjas and I don't know if I want the burden of that power.

[chronovore]

"yeah but I didn't think they'd actually DO IT!!!"

Which, itself, is a frequently heard quote from Trump voters about any issue he discussed but they, personally, didn't agree with. So much projection! "He's 100% my candidate except for the topics he's 'just joking' about!" 

After the election, "Wait, what? I didn't think he was serious when he said that!"

[chronovore]

Also, fuck you, fearmonger, go back to your bowtie so we can easily ident you:

http://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/976464064053424129

[Assimilate]

Also, fuck you, fearmonger, go back to your bowtie so we can easily ident you:

http://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/976464064053424129

I"m not sure what the problem is with what he said? Out of all the dumb shit Tucker spits out this is actually pretty reasonable.

[Optimus]

She definitely knows the headlines to the first search results that sound like they agree with her current position, I'll give her that

Assuming what you said was true, like I said, she knows much more about politics than the average American voter.

[chronovore]

Narrator: and that was when everyone knew that cream really was cindi

[Optimus]

Also, fuck you, fearmonger, go back to your bowtie so we can easily ident you:

http://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/976464064053424129

You know Carlson might be a piece of shit but he makes a great point about politicians and rich preachy liberal fucks talking about diversity but keeping it far away from them. It reminds me of John Oliver's segregation in American schools segment where New York had the biggest rate of segregation because the rich fucks were freaking out when anti-segregation programs were introduced. "But look at these primitive bigoted rednecks voting for Drumpf lol"

[Assimilate]

Also, fuck you, fearmonger, go back to your bowtie so we can easily ident you:

http://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/976464064053424129

You know Carlson might be a piece of shit but he makes a great point about politicians and rich preachy liberal fucks talking about diversity but keeping it far away from them. It reminds me of John Oliver's segregation in American schools segment where New York had the biggest rate of segregation because the rich fucks were freaking out when anti-segregation programs were introduced. "But look at these primitive bigoted rednecks voting for Drumpf lol"

Yeah, the hypocrisy is wild on the left. The right can be in the wrong, but at least they'll eat their turd sandwich. The holier than thou bullshit on the left is really annoying.

[Cream]

Also, fuck you, fearmonger, go back to your bowtie so we can easily ident you:

http://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/976464064053424129

You know Carlson might be a piece of shit but he makes a great point about politicians and rich preachy liberal fucks talking about diversity but keeping it far away from them. It reminds me of John Oliver's segregation in American schools segment where New York had the biggest rate of segregation because the rich fucks were freaking out when anti-segregation programs were introduced. "But look at these primitive bigoted rednecks voting for Drumpf lol"

I mean, you’re right. Supposedly well-meaning liberals that claim to be progressive but actually want much of nothing to do with minorities are a big problem.

[thisismyusername]

Supposedly well-meaning liberals that claim to be progressive but actually want much of nothing to do with minorities are a big problem.

I can agree with this. Which begs the question: What can be done to get those people on board?

[thehunter116]

Why does Tucker always look like he just shit himself and doesn't know what to do next?

[curly]

Supposedly well-meaning liberals that claim to be progressive but actually want much of nothing to do with minorities are a big problem.

I can agree with this. Which begs the question: What can be done to get those people on board?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_to_the_Countryside_Movement

[Optimus]

I mean, you’re right. Supposedly well-meaning liberals that claim to be progressive but actually want much of nothing to do with minorities are a big problem.

That's because they're virtue-signaling hypocritical fucks, exactly the kind of crowd you hang out with.

[Stoney Mason]

As a black person I'm not scared of "fake" liberals. I'm scared of white conservatives and the hate they engender and the policies they pass directly targeted at minority groups including mine. I'm far more interested in the group that has its hands around my throat versus the mis-guided efforts of another potential group. 

I'll deal with the shark first and save the poodle for later.

[Optimus]

Supposedly well-meaning liberals that claim to be progressive but actually want much of nothing to do with minorities are a big problem.

I can agree with this. Which begs the question: What can be done to get those people on board?

Nothing. You can't do shit. As long as capitalism at this state exists and the poverty cycle remains the same and continues to plague the black race they will always be considered a lower caste even by the liberal fucks that pretend to be better than everyone else.

If anything the obsession with race through SJ W rhetoric has increased hostility and clearly worsened tribalism the last few years. There's another aspect to this, political correctness forces liberals to create a fake persona and therefore masks racism and keeps people different than them at arms length. And I will explain this by being a lazy fuck and letting this great video I watched of Zizek recently make my point:

[Stoney Mason]

\will always be considered a lower caste even by the liberal fucks that pretend to be better than everyone else.

If anything the obsession with race through SJ W rhetoric has increased hostility and clearly worsened tribalism the last few years. There's another aspect to this, political correctness forces liberals to create a fake persona and therefore masks racism and keeps people different than them at arms length. And I will explain this by being a lazy fuck and letting this video I watched of Zizek recently make my point:

Complete and utter horseshit.

[Nola]

You know Carlson might be a piece of shit but he makes a great point about politicians and rich preachy liberal fucks talking about diversity but keeping it far away from them. It reminds me of John Oliver's segregation in American schools segment where New York had the biggest rate of segregation because the rich fucks were freaking out when anti-segregation programs were introduced. "But look at these primitive bigoted rednecks voting for Drumpf lol"

Observation I have.

You go on and on and on and on about how acting like a pretentious dick and talking down toward people is counter-productive toward a person's stripe of politics, and yet, there is not a more pretentious dick on this forum than you...Thoughts on this hypocrisy?

[etiolate]

Identity politics has indeed increased the tribalism. You got to be distinguished mentally-challenged to argue against that.

[Stoney Mason]

Our president and policies and behavior and actions have increased the tribalism. You got to be distinguished mentally-challenged to argue against that.

[Nola]

Identity politics has indeed increased the tribalism. You got to be distinguished mentally-challenged to argue against that.

Agreed.

The Southern Strategy, the moral majority, Rush Limbaugh, and the rise of Trump style populism are near the top of the most cancerous aspects of American identity politics we have had in the last half century in terms of poisoning American politics.

[curly]

Identity politics has indeed increased the tribalism. You got to be distinguished mentally-challenged to argue against that.

What do we mean by "identity politics" and how new is this phenomenon

The Ku Klux Klan was identity politics. The Southern Strategy was identity politics. The Chinese Exclusion Act and Japanese internment were identity politics. Manifest Destiny was identity politics. It is pretty telling that the term identity politics is only used when the identity in question isn't white.

Edit: Fuck you nola

[Optimus]

Our president and policies and behavior and actions have increased the tribalism. You got to be distinguished mentally-challenged to argue against that.

And Trump's election was just a coincidence not the result of the exponential increase of tribalism, right?

[Stoney Mason]

Identity politics only count when liberals do it. And it only really started about 4 years ago. And trump and conservatives are trying to fix that.

Also black people can't identify where the source of their political opposition comes from. White evil liberals have brainwashed them.

Won't some brave soldier come set my people free from this oppression like Lincoln did!

And PC culture something something EVIL!

[etiolate]

Our president and policies and behavior and actions have increased the tribalism. You got to be distinguished mentally-challenged to argue against that.

So you're distinguished mentally-challenged. You have no idea what's going on.

[Stoney Mason]

Our president and policies and behavior and actions have increased the tribalism. You got to be distinguished mentally-challenged to argue against that.

And Trump's election was just a coincidence not the result of the exponential increase of tribalism, right?

Nah it was the tea party if you want the most recent explosion of it.