US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Madrun Badrun]

[Assimilate]

If it's triggering one of the resident anti-feminist Trump apologists to want to tell everyone how much they hated it, thats probably solid evidence it wasn't complete trash in its aims. 

Anti-feminist, yes. But Trump apologist? 

[Nola]

The line of questions Mueller is set to ask Trump, as reported by the NYT, vindicates me. Despite being post-Cohen, these questions are still only primarily obstruction of justice related. There is little more to investigate and the investigation is coming to a close.

Famous last words.

Be mindful of anchoring though lol.

However this might be a good place to remind that Mueller’s time schedule was to have a report on obstruction by the summer and to continue on with the larger investigation after that. Seems fairly unlikely he’s even able to wrap up everything up all that soon if he wanted to. For one he still has one trial to participate in later this year and many of the open threads we’ve seen movement on are still wide open.

[Boredfrom]

If it's triggering one of the resident anti-feminist Trump apologists to want to tell everyone how much they hated it, thats probably solid evidence it wasn't complete trash in its aims. 

Anti-feminist, yes. But Trump apologist? 

You guys are not exactly making a case against that notion.

[agrajag]

Lol, there is a bunch of questions in there that deal directly with collusion. And like Nola said, I doubt the investigation will be wrapped up any time soon. Not a good look, Stosta.

[Optimus]

Because maybe just like "alt-right trolls" I despise DNC?

Identity over policy, how very cerebral of you.

 You think I despise DNC because I favor identity over policy? It's the complete opposite you numbnuts, you're the one that blindly defends the corrupt rightwing DNC scum and then pretends to have have anything to do with the left.

[agrajag]

Bitch you ain't got nothing going on!

 

[TakingBackSunday]

Because maybe just like "alt-right trolls" I despise DNC?

Identity over policy, how very cerebral of you.

 You think I despise DNC because I favor identity over policy? It's the complete opposite you numbnuts, you're the one that blindly defends the corrupt rightwing DNC scum and then pretends to have have anything to do with the left.

genuinely curious – how do you propose to advance a true progressive platform in the states with lasting success?  I think you and I actually have a lot of the same beliefs outside of some weird fetish with corporate media being satan's asshole.  Do you think a Tea Party-like uprising in local and midterm elections can help force the DNC to steer that way?

I want a progressive country, but we don't have any choice or chance of success without the DNC.

[agrajag]

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/385602-muellers-former-assistant-says-grammatical-errors-prove-leaked-questions-came

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

This ad 

https://twitter.com/BrianKempGA/status/989977997548670976

[benjipwns]

There’s Nothing to Stop the 2018 Elections From Being Hacked

But although congressional Democrats are pledging not to use stolen or hacked materials in their campaigns this fall, their Republican counterparts have so far declined to match that commitment. That partisan split could leave the November elections open to malicious interference.

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The DCCC is “committed” to ensuring that “illegally stolen and hacked materials are not weaponized in any campaigns,” its communications director, Meredith Kelly, said. A spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee—who requested anonymity to discuss the committee’s policies—was more circumspect, saying that the committee is “open to working with anyone to tackle cybersecurity issues.” Democrats are irked that the NRCC hasn’t responded to their written requests for cooperation, a decision the NRCC spokesman attributed to a lack of “trust.”

The divide has further complicated the parties’ ability to offer a unified response that could discourage future election attacks. “The antidote to future election hackings is unity, unity of Democrats and Republicans banding together to say we won’t weaponize what others stole,” Democratic Representative Eric Swalwell said. “If we take away a big stage for hackers to showcase their work, they’ll hack less. The GOP’s refusal to sign this agreement invites more attacks on our democracy. It’s time to unite.”

It is not clear how the NRCC would react if it were given a damning email or text hacked from an opponent. Setting aside the potential legal liabilities, using hacked documents in a campaign could encourage cybercriminals to continue meddling in U.S. elections. There is also never a guarantee that the stolen documents are authentic.

“If you are an American, and are offered stolen materials on your opponent, pick up the phone, and call the FBI,” Adam Parkhomenko, a Democratic consultant and adviser to Hillary Clinton, told me. “If this is not something you are willing to do, there is a man named Robert Mueller who would be very interested in speaking with you.”

[kingv]

A few things:
- the few questions about collusion are just about events we already know and tying up loose ends. Did Trump know about Kushner trying to set up a back channel, and what was that Trump Tower meeting about? For an investigation that also includes financial ties, seemingly the only thing is still that real estate deal, the one Maddow insists is one of many ways Trump helps Russian oligarchs funnel dirty money out of Cyprus.
-This line:

The special counsel told Mr. Dowd in March that though the president’s conduct is under scrutiny, he is not a target of the investigation, meaning Mr. Mueller does not expect to charge him.

For how long this has been going on, you'd think they'd know something, anything that would make Trump a potential target. There's no Magnum P.I. buildup of clues here, it's just been a tiresome runaround of the same facts.

I leave open the possibility that this evolves into campaign finance fraud, and maybe even egregious fraud, but that's way different from the Russia investigation.

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It is highly likely, based on past events, that Mueller actually knows the answer to the questions that he is asking toe either corroborate other testimony or feel out how much Trump
is trying to conceal.

There have been multiple articles written by former prosecutors stating that being a “subject” vs a “target” of an investigation is not particularly meaningful, and you don’t really want to be either.

Also: as more or less proven, that “list of questions” is just informal notes taken by trumps legal team so it doesn’t really “prove” anything. Not to mention it may have been edited down by whoever leaked it.

[Great Rumbler]

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/385602-muellers-former-assistant-says-grammatical-errors-prove-leaked-questions-came

This definitely feels like what happened, given how good Mueller has been about keeping information from getting out to the press.

[agrajag]

"If you are an American, and are offered stolen materials on your opponent, pick up the phone, and call the FBI,” Adam Parkhomenko, a Democratic consultant and adviser to Hillary Clinton, told me. “If this is not something you are willing to do, there is a man named Robert Mueller who would be very interested in speaking with you.”

 

[agrajag]

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/385602-muellers-former-assistant-says-grammatical-errors-prove-leaked-questions-came

This definitely feels like what happened, given how good Mueller has been about keeping information from getting out to the press.

Also Trump raging at the press when his own legal team leaked their notes 

 

[kingv]

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/385602-muellers-former-assistant-says-grammatical-errors-prove-leaked-questions-came

This definitely feels like what happened, given how good Mueller has been about keeping information from getting out to the press.

Also Trump raging at the press when his own legal team leaked their notes 

 

he probably TOLD them to leak it.

That is 100% in character.

Edit: if we were to take the list at face value of being accurate, the wording of this question:

 “What knowledge did you have of any outreach by your campaign, including by Paul Manafort, to Russia about potential assistance to the campaign?”

Seems to suggest that whoever wrote the question knows that Paul Manafort solicited help from Russia. It seems unlikely that Trump would be completely oblivious to that.

[benjipwns]

why doesn't Robert Mueller want to ask questions of the sitting President and DNI while the Russian HACKING OF THE ELECTION PROCESS was occurring?

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[agrajag]

Why didn't Robert Mueller stop the Donald Trump Campaign colluding with the Russians in 2016? He's the real criminal.

[Joe Molotov]

This ad 

https://twitter.com/BrianKempGA/status/989977997548670976

Roy Moore immediately picks up the phone.

[benjipwns]

why doesn't Robert Mueller want to ask questions of Joy Ann Reid who was hacked continuously for years by Russian-aligned Bernie supporters as part of a plot to undermine #TheResistance?

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This straight man LOVES YOU EVEN MORE JOY!!

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[agrajag]

Joy Reid   

[benjipwns]

Why didn't Robert Mueller stop the Donald Trump Campaign colluding with the Russians in 2016? He's the real criminal.

how is he supposed to stop something that didn't happen

what's next you want him to stop steel beams from being melted by jet fuel?

[benjipwns]

that does raise another question though, why hasn't Robert Mueller investigated 311?

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[Brehvolution]

Because Mueller is a transistor
Lightning resistor
Conducting to the mother star

[benjipwns]

Special Counsel Report on Investigation into Russian Interference with the 2016 Election: Appendix F: 311 Discography Investigation and Analysis ... Pages: 978-2346

[Nintex]

 

[Optimus]

Because maybe just like "alt-right trolls" I despise DNC?

Identity over policy, how very cerebral of you.

 You think I despise DNC because I favor identity over policy? It's the complete opposite you numbnuts, you're the one that blindly defends the corrupt rightwing DNC scum and then pretends to have have anything to do with the left.

genuinely curious – how do you propose to advance a true progressive platform in the states with lasting success?  I think you and I actually have a lot of the same beliefs outside of some weird fetish with corporate media being satan's asshole.  Do you think a Tea Party-like uprising in local and midterm elections can help force the DNC to steer that way?

I want a progressive country, but we don't have any choice or chance of success without the DNC.

Yeap, we need to both support our own and keep boycotting every corporate democrat even at the expense of the next elections until we manage to hijack the DNC, otherwise these fucks will continue sabotaging us. Every single decision they've made after the elections shows that they're not interested in give in power, they only interested in symbolic bullshit to keep stealing our votes.

And corporate media are satan's asshole, the mere fact that they consistently push for more war should have convinced every progressive by now that these fuckers are dangerous and disgusting.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/991434855358529537

Wtf is going on 

[benjipwns]

Cindi tried to warn us

[Nintex]

Democratic Plantation is a genius phrase.

The mostly white Democrats will tell the minorities to toe the line (confirming the plantation theory) like they did with the working class rust belt.
If that shit catches on Trump has a new 'drain the swamp' and 'build the wall' to add to this greatest hits thanks to Kanye West.

[Boredfrom]

Democratic Plantation is a genius phrase.

The mostly white Democrats will tell the minorities to toe the line (confirming the plantation theory) like they did with the working class rust belt.
If that shit catches on Trump has a new 'drain the swamp' and 'build the wall' to add to this greatest hits thanks to Kanye West.

Nintex, your inner Trumpkin is showing again. Calm yourself.

[benjipwns]

Democratic Plantation is a genius phrase.
...
If that shit catches on

It's far from new. If you made me guess, I'd imagine Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell probably first popularized it. I once or twice have posted here/GAF a bunch of covers of black conservative books that use the phrase or something similar.

I know Thomas Sowell uses it in a Firing Line episode which causes Harriet Pilpel to freak out and that's from the late 1970s or first couple years of the 1980s.

[benjipwns]

 

[benjipwns]

[benjipwns]

in a weird coincidence: https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/991025872680333312

[agrajag]

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Frederick Douglas, he's doing great things I'm glad he's getting recognized more and more

[benjipwns]

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https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/990640710356557824

[Optimus]

Goddamn, Kanye has gone full Trumptard. It was funny at first, now it's kind of sad.

[Trent Dole]

He threw some praise at Emma Gonzalez too though. He seemed to be ping ponging at first but I guess he's gone full maga chud?

[Phoenix Dark]

If there's a good thing about this ordeal it's that we get to see how stupid conservatives truly think black people are. Lincoln freed the slaves, the republican party was the party of abolition. Those are historical facts, not forbidden jewels of truth, hidden by the liberal media. But interestingly, Conservative History That Black People Should Know basically ends there. You'll rarely hear conservatives discuss Great Mississippi Flood of 1927, the slow adoption of basic civil rights by some national democrats, the rise of the Dixiecrats, FDR, Truman integrating the military...and of course the Civil Rights Act.

My basic questions for Kanye, Candace Owens, and any conservative troll on this subject

1. Who were the Dixiecrats?
2. Why did the south vote republican in 1964?

Basic shit.

[benjipwns]

Johnson won the popular vote in the Confederacy and the preclearance states. CHECKMATE.

[etiolate]

The south has flipped back and forth. It's a bit of a misnomer to think southern strategy and boom it went perma Repub. Eisenhower managed LA and FL pre-Goldwater or Nixon, and Carter and Clinton won back southern states.

I think the idea that Kanye can't articulate or fully understand is that there is a dependency system that isn't helping and that the policy has negative impacts on families that we now understand to have a real negative impact on localized society. Being free votes for Dems isn't changing any of that. Sometimes it appears as though black americans were set up in a different game and winning that different game isn't on the same level as the game everyone else is playing. Part of that separation is the dependency system. I also think that the black voter has to stop letting the latest street preacher be their voice. Those people are idiots and exploitive as hell. Kanye is being a bit of one right now, but he's preaching inanity that's the other direction.

[benjipwns]

looks like PD needs a helping hand off the plantation too:

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Consider yourself: ILLUMINATED. EDUCATED. MOTIVATED.

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[recursivelyenumerable]

If there's a good thing about this ordeal it's that we get to see how stupid conservatives truly think black people are. Lincoln freed the slaves, the republican party was the party of abolition. Those are historical facts, not forbidden jewels of truth, hidden by the liberal media. But interestingly, Conservative History That Black People Should Know basically ends there. You'll rarely hear conservatives discuss Great Mississippi Flood of 1927, the slow adoption of basic civil rights by some national democrats, the rise of the Dixiecrats, FDR, Truman integrating the military...and of course the Civil Rights Act.

My basic questions for Kanye, Candace Owens, and any conservative troll on this subject

1. Who were the Dixiecrats?
2. Why did the south vote republican in 1964?

Basic shit.

I guess the steelman version of this would be that since the parties flipped before, they could conceivably flip again?

[benjipwns]

An "amusing" thing about 1964 or rather, Goldwater himself, was that he was too libertarian* and stubborn (same thing?) to be happy with the movement he unofficially bequeathed to the much more flexible Reagan. Hence, why he spent most of the 1980s feuding with the Religious Right and the Reagan/Bush Administrations despite it supposedly being his moment of triumph. (Nor did he exactly find much to like about the Nixon Administration ("the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life") though he liked Ford and even endorsed him over Reagan.)

When I ran for President 17 years ago I was told I was behind the times. Now everybody tells me I was ahead of my time. All I can say is that time certainly is an elusive companion.

*While his quotes about gays are most famous, he was also pro-abortion/choice, pro-immigration, anti-drugwar etc. His environmentalism even often had the Coase format to it.

[benjipwns]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/politics/harold-bornstein-trump-letter/

When Dr. Harold Bornstein described in hyperbolic prose then-candidate Donald Trump's health in 2015, the language he used was eerily similar to the style preferred by his patient.

It turns out the patient himself wrote it, according to Bornstein.

"He dictated that whole letter. I didn't write that letter," Bornstein told CNN on Tuesday. "I just made it up as I went along."

"His physical strength and stamina are extraordinary," he crowed in the letter, which was released by Trump's campaign in December 2015. "If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."

I'm really starting to wonder now if President Trump actually is the healthiest individual ever elected or not. Not to mention having questions about his extraordinary strength and stamina.

[Nola]

Because maybe just like "alt-right trolls" I despise DNC?

Identity over policy, how very cerebral of you.

 You think I despise DNC because I favor identity over policy? It's the complete opposite you numbnuts, you're the one that blindly defends the corrupt rightwing DNC scum and then pretends to have have anything to do with the left.

In a way. I think you seem to let identity issues drag you around the nose a lot based on your posting here. Like embracing alt-righters/Trumpers more easily than people that are much closer to you ideologically on almost every other major issue because they agree with you on being an anti-feminist(whatever that means), anti-media, and anti-Hillary. Which you seem to put as a premium above substantive things like healthcare policy, climate change, wealth inequality etc. 

You are even doing it now, categorizing and denigrating me through an out-group framing.

...Though the best recently is still you finding your way to blindly posting Russian twitter propaganda because you are so obsessed with proving this thesis you have about the vague "corporate media" being in on this nefarious collective conspiratorial plot.

[benjipwns]

timu, this is how you properly light the Jack signal: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/hillary-clinton-drinking-alcohol-excess/

Chozick’s unpublished color piece on Clinton’s drinking was meant to illustrate that Clinton was not the starchy, purse-lipped frump of popular perception but a freewheeling good-time gal. Why couldn’t the story have run during the campaign rather than after it? That seems obvious. The factual details were such that they might have made readers question the Times’s spin that Clinton’s drinking habits reflected well on her. The attentive reader will wonder whether Clinton has a drinking problem.

[agrajag]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/politics/harold-bornstein-trump-letter/

When Dr. Harold Bornstein described in hyperbolic prose then-candidate Donald Trump's health in 2015, the language he used was eerily similar to the style preferred by his patient.

It turns out the patient himself wrote it, according to Bornstein.

"He dictated that whole letter. I didn't write that letter," Bornstein told CNN on Tuesday. "I just made it up as I went along."

"His physical strength and stamina are extraordinary," he crowed in the letter, which was released by Trump's campaign in December 2015. "If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."

I'm really starting to wonder now if President Trump actually is the healthiest individual ever elected or not. Not to mention having questions about his extraordinary strength and stamina.

Well, he was conserving his finite energy, Thanos style, while the rest of you suckers were burning yours up 

[benjipwns]

Are NBC and CNN Paying Off Top Spies Who Leaked Info With On-Air Jobs?

the WHCA’s prize committee presented the Merriman Smith Award for broadcast journalism to CNN’s Evan Perez, Jim Sciutto, Jake Tapper, and Carl Bernstein for their Jan. 10, 2017 story reporting that Barack Obama’s four intelligence chiefs briefed Donald Trump that Russia had compromising information on the President-elect.
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CNN has never disclosed the close relationship between Evan Perez, one of the reporters on the Jan. 10, 2017 story, and his former Wall Street Journal colleagues who went on to start Fusion GPS, including the company’s founder Glenn Simpson. Nor did the Merriman Smith prize committee acknowledge how the dossier on which the leading lights of the news business have again staked their institutional credibility was disseminated to the public.

That story is now coming into focus with the recent release of seven government documents that together detail a working partnership between spy agencies and the press that helped a political attack meme go viral, even though the evidence on which it was based was demonstrably false.

Comey continued, “only that I wanted him to know both that it had been reported and that the reports were in many hands. I said media like CNN had them and were looking for a news hook.”

Guess what? Comey’s briefing was the news hook.

Proof of the set-up is found in the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence’s 253-page-long Report on Russian Active Measures that was published last week. According to the report, James Clapper acknowledged “discussing the dossier with CNN journalist Jake Tapper.” Their discussion “took place in early January 2017, around the time [intelligence community] leaders briefed President Obama and President-elect Trump on ‘the Christopher Steele information.’ ”

So here’s how it worked: Clapper told Comey to brief Trump on the dossier. Clapper then told Tapper that Comey had briefed Trump on the dossier. In other words, the reporting on the Steele dossier for which CNN won its award was an operation coordinated between spies and the press whose purpose was to report the existence of “compromising information” on the president-elect—information that consisted of unverified politically-funded opposition research produced by one of the CNN journalist’s former colleagues.

For example, the House Intelligence Committee report found that James Clapper “flatly denied ‘discussing[ing] the dossier [compiled by Steele] or any other intelligence related to Russia hacking of the 2016 election with journalists.’ ” Yet while Clapper may now find himself in trouble for lying to Congress—which he has done before on extremely consequential subjects, like the extent of America’s domestic spying programs, apparently without damaging his credibility as a “news source”—he has carved a new job out of a possible crime. In August 2017, CNN hired him as an analyst, creating the appearance, at least, that the network is now paying him for the information he leaked to them. At the same time, it provides him with a platform to run an offense shielding him from the legal consequences of his actions. Presumably, Clapper will continue to justify his actions as a public official on-air while denying any wrong-doing, and his “analysis” will be presented to viewers as impartial and truthful.

Nor is Clapper the only source of misinformation to land a paying job with a news outlet he leaked to while ostensibly protecting America’s secrets. Former CIA head John Brennan, another spy chief at the Trump briefing, won a TV deal with NBC in what, if you look at it from the wrong angle—or the right angle—might appear to be a payment in kind for leaking politically charged information and perhaps even classified intelligence.

The paper writes that Veselnitskaya “appears to have recanted her earlier denials of Russian government ties”—yet she’s been saying for more than a year that she was hooked into high-level Kremlin officials. In fact, she was quoted in a Nov. 10, 2017 article saying virtually the same thing to another NBC News reporter, regarding the same fraud case: “I was in effect, the primary source of this information for the Russian Prosecutor General’s office.”

So why is the New York Times reporting the latest NBC News interview as breaking news?
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More detail in the Times story would show that one of Veselnitskaya’s partners in the anti-Magnitsky campaign was Fusion GPS. Glenn Simpson’s opposition research shop had been brought on to run a smear campaign against Browder in the press. The talking points on Magnitsky and Browder that Veselnitskaya recited in the Trump Tower meeting, talking points that she previously shared with Russia’s prosecutor general, were quite literally written by Fusion GPS.
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How, you ask, is that possible? And why didn’t the Times report that salient fact?

Because the Times was in bed with Fusion GPS too. William Browder told me that when he was trying to get various journalists to report on Fusion GPS’ role in the campaign against him and the Magnitsky Act, he found that the company’s founder Glenn Simpson “was so deeply embedded as a source for different stories, no one wanted to write a story about him.”
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The purpose of the recent Times story—asserting no one really knew before now of her deep Kremlin links—is to cover the paper’s own role in the operation

Corporate media annihilated. Optimus confirmed god-king of independently sourced and confirmed facts. Nola condemned to inefficient MLE+ players who don't bring the 3's or the D's.

[Great Rumbler]

Bruh, I'm pretty sure benji has made that exact post here before, so nobody was going to believe that you were being serious.

[Nola]

You mean to tell me the media has sources and whistleblowers they don't always disclose to the public and they work together to develop stories? And they often enjoy a friendly relationship during and after? Shock and awe lol.

The rest sort of reads like reckless speculation at best(Is CNN engaging in a quid pro quo with Clapper? maybe, but there was no direct evidence of that) and at times downright bad journalism(calling the dossier downright false when not only is that not the case, the reason its author was brought back to speak to the FBI is because it reportedly corroborated at least some of the evidence they had produced independently). To just vague insinuations that are just ridiculous(not disclosing Simpson's prior relationship with Perez...because it is so hard to look at wikipedia or Simpson's testimony where he lays out pretty openly that media of all stripes very routinely contact him to verify leads or ask for advice).

The irony being he is accusing the "press" of manufacturing a conspiracy on flimsy evidence, while he just built his own on even flimsier grounds....Though looking at his other, yikes.

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[Mandark]

The south has flipped back and forth. It's a bit of a misnomer to think southern strategy and boom it went perma Repub. Eisenhower managed LA and FL pre-Goldwater or Nixon, and Carter and Clinton won back southern states.

The one time you want to downplay identity politics and it's for the southern strategy? Okay.

[benjipwns]

Bruh, I'm pretty sure benji has made that exact post here before, so nobody was going to believe that you were being serious.

i only take issue with the one Title of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and would have voted for it*

and no matter how many times the ahistorical "experts" in PoliGAF tried to convince me otherwise (especially the one dude who seemed compelled to bring it up every six months in random unrelated threads), I still think the rest of the Act which assaulted institutional racism, especially in the justice system, was not only more essential but more pertinent and demonstrably impactful

(arguably Title II was used less, and thus abused less, than Title III of the ADA, and the main problem is likely the Warren Court's broad unanimous rulings to protect Wickard...in any case, i doubt it was illegal, but rather unconstitutional...)

*especially if my vote was essential to pass it, even unchanged, considering the circumstances of the 1957 Act's voyage

edit: wanted to add, since it's the actual hinge of the "debate", that no matter how you frame this data-point, i don't think it's a very compelling reason to vote for Republicans or even against Democrats anyway, for blacks or anyone else, especially since there's been 50+ years of events

[benjipwns]

i do think it's funny that James Clapper is being treated in any positive way, and especially as someone trustworthy, considering his history of openly lying to people who could actually punish him

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there's aspects of that to Comey's media adventures too

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and Mueller, but then we start to get more into my all-purpose views rather than recent behavior

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[Nola]

Bruh, I'm pretty sure benji has made that exact post here before, so nobody was going to believe that you were being serious.

Well, unless his name was JayDubya and he was still getting lit up by Mandark in every interesting political thread on GAF circa 2006(or exposing Mandark for his weaselly cowardice, depending on your perspective). 

 

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Nostalgia-Gaf

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[Mandark]

An "amusing" thing about 1964 or rather, Goldwater himself, was that he was too libertarian* and stubborn (same thing?) to be happy with the movement he unofficially bequeathed to the much more flexible Reagan. Hence, why he spent most of the 1980s feuding with the Religious Right and the Reagan/Bush Administrations despite it supposedly being his moment of triumph. (Nor did he exactly find much to like about the Nixon Administration ("the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life") though he liked Ford and even endorsed him over Reagan.)

Why is the political movement I helped build by pandering to segregationists now full of assholes?

[benjipwns]

nobody warned him they'd be religious assholes

[kingv]

Jan 22 2018 21:47:32
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What would happen if texts originating from a FBI agent to several [internals] discussed the assassination (possibility) of the POTUS or member of his family?
What if the texts suggest foreign allies were involved?
Forget the Russia set up [1 of 22].
This is only the beginning.

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See you all tomorrow.

See you all tomorrow.

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I guess Q had a rare miss on this one.

 

[benjipwns]

before cowardly Mandark digs them up I'm sure I have posts echoing aspects of etoliate's "free votes for Dems" comments above, but I hopefully usually have intended it as a observational empirical point that any cleavage voting 90-5 diminishes its political relevance within the system as a whole, I don't think blacks (or most any cleavage) should (or even could) as a group vote just to increase their preferred issues political saliency, it's more of a theoretical question about the value of party loyalty vs. increased salience attached to the only voter bloc that this ever seems to come up about

and i think this effect is more than a lockstep "switch" the story of the American South, it went from 95-0 Democrat to 55/45 which attracted the GOP to abandon the trending opposite northeast (NY was 52 Dukakis - 48 Bush in 1988, VT was 51 Bush - 48 Dukakis, CT was 52 Bush - 47 Dukakis) and help make the South 45/55, it's not like the Democrats have abandoned the South as much as it's become the main battleground for a multitude of reasons, some even think of Georgia or even Texas as a regular target to turn blue

it's also, as i've made the case to some skepticism, what i think is partly the case of the Wallace->Nixon/Reagan Democrat->Buchanan->Perot->Trump/Bernie voter blocs increased relative importance in our electoral body politic...they're the only ones who seemingly move around (even if the media seems to think they're male, despite evidence that a good chunk is female)

edit: i guess a funny thing to me is that a lot of this has similarities with ideas that are non-controversial in analysis of international politics, but falls apart in terms of acceptance when you move it into the Anglosphere, and more so into North America, and even more more so when you move into the United States which has more elections than the rest of the world combined but people only want to talk about Presidential elections and maybe Senators plus the House as if it were a nationally elected body, a mentality I too find hard to break sometimes if I've been away from working in other systems for so long