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benjipwns

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Everyone is Bolton for the exits.
« Reply #17640 on: May 02, 2018, 01:01:20 AM »
shut up dummy

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« Reply #17641 on: May 02, 2018, 01:13:57 AM »
Yeah, one of your first posts that I remember is essentially "why don't black people just defect for one election cycle to show the Dems that they can?" which I think reflects someone spending a lot of time in intra-libertarian arguments about third parties, fusionism, etc.

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« Reply #17642 on: May 02, 2018, 01:27:11 AM »
arguably outside of abortion and circumcision, and more recently vaccines, that's the dominant libertarian debate among the "rank and file" much like early labourism in the West, the question of entryism

and the constantly losing plays a huge factor, that's why Ron Paul went back to the GOP after swearing it off, it's why Rothbard teamed up with Lew Rockwell when they decided that the LP was a failed endeavor (which isn't untrue albeit for other reasons) after just a decade and decided that the people they needed to win over and use were those supporting Pat Buchanan and David Duke

the fun part was when Rockwell never broke with those people, while Rothbard did (like always within two years or so, like he had to Karl Hess in the 70s, and then Reagan in the 80s when by like 1982 he was calling Reagan a fraud) after realizing Buchanan actually meant all that stuff about social conservatism and protectionism and so on, so after Rothbard died Rockwell called him a crazy anarchist for giving up on protecting the white race :lol

it's why a lot of libertarians were over enthusiastic and gave a large number of passes to Ron and Rand due to thinking they could potentially win the GOP nomination or influence the party (i'm holding out for the One True Amash, his anti-Trump +/- is off the charts!)
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« Reply #17643 on: May 02, 2018, 01:28:24 AM »
for a marxist/socialist/communist version of that rambling for our "left" members, since i could never hope to top this archive, there's: https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/erol.htm

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« Reply #17644 on: May 02, 2018, 01:33:39 AM »
Benji what is your occupation
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« Reply #17645 on: May 02, 2018, 01:49:32 AM »
The south has flipped back and forth. It's a bit of a misnomer to think southern strategy and boom it went perma Repub. Eisenhower managed LA and FL pre-Goldwater or Nixon, and Carter and Clinton won back southern states.

The one time you want to downplay identity politics and it's for the southern strategy? Okay.

we've been over this, the southern strategy isn't identity politics because it isn't part of the cultural marxists' plot

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« Reply #17646 on: May 02, 2018, 01:50:05 AM »
Benji what is your occupation
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plus i do "freelance" research assistance...along with my own research, not that i really publish it anywhere despite people telling me to like people here saying i should make a gaming-related blog
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« Reply #17647 on: May 02, 2018, 01:53:09 AM »
"normal existence" can't be an "identity" duh, it just is, especially when it's the majority

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« Reply #17648 on: May 02, 2018, 02:36:10 AM »
we've been over this, the southern strategy isn't identity politics because it isn't part of the cultural marxists' plot

I think it goes like this:

Past movements that centered identity but for issues which are now seen as basically settled (women's suffrage, the CRA, gay marriage): legitimate and not identity politics.

Current movements that center identity where the issues are still controversial (BLM, trans rights): identity politics, a dishonest way of trying to undermine society by the naive puppets of some dead European intellectuals.

Explicit white supremacy: identity politics which are an unfortunate but inevitable reaction to anti-white identity politics.

Anything short of explicit white supremacy (immigration restrictions, profiling of blacks and/or Muslims, anti-trans access laws): these are legitimate concerns and how dare you impugn these people's motives.

Past movements that aimed to preserve traditional racial/gender hierarchies: probably about tariffs.

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« Reply #17649 on: May 02, 2018, 02:57:42 AM »
Past movements that centered identity but for issues which are now seen as basically settled (women's suffrage, the CRA, gay marriage): legitimate and not identity politics.
woah now, what if they're trying to get me to bake them a celebratory cake
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« Reply #17650 on: May 02, 2018, 03:02:41 AM »
women that is

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« Reply #17651 on: May 02, 2018, 05:33:01 AM »
dumb as mandark = dumb as mandark

that should wrap it up for most of you

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« Reply #17652 on: May 02, 2018, 06:06:54 AM »
hey etoilet how does it feel to have the only two people who like you on this forum be assimilate and optimus

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« Reply #17653 on: May 02, 2018, 06:48:05 AM »
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« Reply #17654 on: May 02, 2018, 06:53:21 AM »
i see you filler, you're a rock of principle

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« Reply #17655 on: May 02, 2018, 07:12:39 AM »
i feel like we need a thread title change as Bolton feels so last century, but i can't think of anything clever (ed: what else is new benji?)

i typed out a bunch of terrible ones here before deleting them to leave the only one i even would consider submitting:
"Robert Mueller's X-Rated Rampage"

my comedy is just too subtle and dense and complex and intellectual to be distilled into a few words is the problem obviously

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« Reply #17656 on: May 02, 2018, 07:58:12 AM »
Not that anyone here cares, but in Sioux Falls, SD the Dem running for mayor ran a mind-boggling campaign and lost magnificently. Among her campaign strategy choices:
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It will be remembered as the Tool in the Toolbox Voicemail. She claimed that a month earlier, TenHaken had left a threatening voicemail claiming he had the ability to mess up her campaign. The voicemail coincided with a claim that her campaign had been hacked. The implication was that TenHaken, using the dark arts of internet sorcery, had done the misdeed – one of those tools in his toolbox.

At first, the Loetscher camp insisted that only a tiny clip of the more than minute-long voicemail could be used. Under pressure, she relented and released the entire voicemail. Anybody who listened, and plenty of people did, came away thinking that Loetscher had mischaracterized the call. Not only had there been no threat, TenHaken came across as dejected.

Suddenly, she had a trust issue, an issue that only got worse when authorities found no evidence of hacking. Then, too, came scrutiny of her “biotech company.” Prior to her foray into politics, Loetscher had started a dog poop cleaning business. Any small business owner or entrepreneur brings value to politics. But Loetscher overplayed her hand by referring to the venture as a biotech company.

The article summarizes her performance at the end:
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she likely would have done better if she’d simply taken the final week off and taken a vacation somewhere. Instead, she suffered a historic defeat.

Article in full here: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2018/05/01/ellis-week-doomed-loetscher-campaign/569841002/
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Who says Democrats are out of touch?

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« Reply #17657 on: May 02, 2018, 09:41:44 AM »
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In the wake of the testy March 5 meeting, Mueller’s team agreed to provide the president’s lawyers with more specific information about the subjects that prosecutors wished to discuss with the president. With those details in hand, Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow compiled a list of 49 questions that the team believed the president would be asked, according to three of the four people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk publicly. The New York Times first reported the existence of the list.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-raised-possibility-of-presidential-subpoena-in-meeting-with-trumps-legal-team/2018/05/01/2bdec08e-4d51-11e8-af46-b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.dcef640b2ed1

So you’re telling me the “list of Mueller questions” was not a list of Mueller questions at all AND was generated by Strunps legal team?

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« Reply #17658 on: May 02, 2018, 09:55:51 AM »

Because maybe just like "alt-right trolls" I despise DNC?

Identity over policy, how very cerebral of you.

 You think I despise DNC because I favor identity over policy? It's the complete opposite you numbnuts, you're the one that blindly defends the corrupt rightwing DNC scum and then pretends to have have anything to do with the left.

In a way. I think you seem to let identity issues drag you around the nose a lot based on your posting here. Like embracing alt-righters/Trumpers more easily than people that are much closer to you ideologically on almost every other major issue because they agree with you on being an anti-feminist(whatever that means), anti-media, and anti-Hillary. Which you seem to put as a premium above substantive things like healthcare policy, climate change, wealth inequality etc. 

You are even doing it now, categorizing and denigrating me through an out-group framing.

...Though the best recently is still you finding your way to blindly posting Russian twitter propaganda because you are so obsessed with proving this thesis you have about the vague "corporate media" being in on this nefarious collective conspiratorial plot.


Let me make something clear. Notions like globalization, deep state, corporate media and manufactured consent are political terms the left has been using for decades. The fact that the alt-right is using them too doesn't mean that I should suddenly abandon them or ignore their significance, it only means that the alt-right has become more anti-status quo than fucking liberals which says a lot about liberals. Admittedly more often than not they use them in the most idiotic ways possible but hey, useful idiots are better than ruling class stooges parroting corporate propaganda.

The fact that you're delusional enough to think that the DNC neoliberals and Hillary Clinton would do something about health care and wealth inequality shows how out of touch with reality you people are. The only thing Obama did about health care was ban preexisting conditions, that's fucking it, everything else was pro-corporate crap that even screwed a lot of Americans financially. The only thing you're right about is climate change but let's be real that ship has sailed long ago, the Paris agreement is just weak damage control for the upcoming disaster your precious capitalism has caused.

As for accusing me for peddling Russian propaganda because I refused to believe another unverified excuse for war, yeah, like I said liberals have become more pro-status quo than fucking rightwingers so it's no surprise that you geniuses would immediately turn to McCarthyism the moment someone doubts your precious corporate media that have lied consistently to manufacture public support for war.

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« Reply #17659 on: May 02, 2018, 10:00:32 AM »
hey etoilet how does it feel to have the only two people who like you on this forum be assimilate and optimus

What is this the fucking schoolyard? This isn't a popularity contest you fucking imbecile.

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« Reply #17660 on: May 02, 2018, 10:26:03 AM »
hey etoilet how does it feel to have the only two people who like you on this forum be assimilate and optimus
How does it feel to go through life with that fucking glorious beak?

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« Reply #17661 on: May 02, 2018, 11:23:57 AM »
hey etoilet how does it feel to have the only two people who like you on this forum be assimilate and optimus

It's not a good thing to have most of this forum like you. I thought I had made that clear.

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« Reply #17663 on: May 02, 2018, 12:31:33 PM »
hey etoilet how does it feel to have the only two people who like you on this forum be assimilate and optimus

It's not a good thing to have most of this forum like you. I thought I had made that clear.

no, I mean specifically how does if feel to have a fan club composed of those two critical thinkers

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like do you ever sit back and think "gee, the only people who agree with anything i say are borderline distinguished mentally-challenged, i wonder what that says about me" or am i giving you too much credit by thinking you're capable of a moment of reflection without spontaneously bursting into ash

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like do you ever sit back and think "gee, the only people who agree with anything i say are borderline distinguished mentally-challenged, i wonder what that says about me" or am i giving you too much credit by thinking you're capable of a moment of reflection without spontaneously bursting into ash


Says the genius that pretty much agrees with Jack Remington and the rest of Clinton distinguished mentally-challenged fellows on 90% they say, the other 10% being Hillary Clinton. In fact the majority of the forum does, the only difference between most of this forum and the average REEEEEEEtard is that you tolerate free speech (not you, most of the forum, you are a well-known whiny little bitch that would most probably ban us if you had the chance) which forces you to have more self-awareness and not be a rabid political fanboy. On everything else most of you people are pretty much the average pretentious but braindead California liberal, from blindly voting Democrat no matter what and believing most of the modern feminist bullshit that have been refuted a million times by facts and logic, to parroting corporate media and timidly supporting the DNC, war, neoliberal policies and so on.

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I know what I am thinking and saying. I don't speak with poor confidence. I've been through the thought process several times before speaking, so I am not exposed to the fears and weaknesses you have.  I understand where Opt agrees with me and disagrees with me.

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Two things re: the southern strategy.

First, I think it's true that liberals and Dems tend to exaggerate how fast the south flipped, since it feels more like a clean break from Jim Crow racism rather than a slowly crumbling coalition that the party leaders would have held together if they could.

Second, I've seen several people try to downplay the results of the shift by pointing out that even the deep southern states are much more competitive than they were at the peak of the Solid South. Well yes, but that's in large part because BLACK PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE NOW.

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« Reply #17669 on: May 02, 2018, 01:18:02 PM »

Because maybe just like "alt-right trolls" I despise DNC?

Identity over policy, how very cerebral of you.

 You think I despise DNC because I favor identity over policy? It's the complete opposite you numbnuts, you're the one that blindly defends the corrupt rightwing DNC scum and then pretends to have have anything to do with the left.

In a way. I think you seem to let identity issues drag you around the nose a lot based on your posting here. Like embracing alt-righters/Trumpers more easily than people that are much closer to you ideologically on almost every other major issue because they agree with you on being an anti-feminist(whatever that means), anti-media, and anti-Hillary. Which you seem to put as a premium above substantive things like healthcare policy, climate change, wealth inequality etc. 

You are even doing it now, categorizing and denigrating me through an out-group framing.

...Though the best recently is still you finding your way to blindly posting Russian twitter propaganda because you are so obsessed with proving this thesis you have about the vague "corporate media" being in on this nefarious collective conspiratorial plot.


Let me make something clear. Notions like globalization, deep state, corporate media and manufactured consent are political terms the left has been using for decades. The fact that the alt-right is using them too doesn't mean that I should suddenly abandon them or ignore their significance, it only means that the alt-right has become more anti-status quo than fucking liberals which says a lot about liberals. Admittedly more often than not they use them in the most idiotic ways possible but hey, useful idiots are better than ruling class stooges parroting corporate propaganda.

The fact that you're delusional enough to think that the DNC neoliberals and Hillary Clinton would do something about health care and wealth inequality shows how out of touch with reality you people are. The only thing Obama did about health care was ban preexisting conditions, that's fucking it, everything else was pro-corporate crap that even screwed a lot of Americans financially. The only thing you're right about is climate change but let's be real that ship has sailed long ago, the Paris agreement is just weak damage control for the upcoming disaster your precious capitalism has caused.

As for accusing me for peddling Russian propaganda because I refused to believe another unverified excuse for war, yeah, like I said liberals have become more pro-status quo than fucking rightwingers so it's no surprise that you geniuses would immediately turn to McCarthyism the moment someone doubts your precious corporate media that have lied consistently to manufacture public support for war.

you are so angry
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hahaha another optimus carepost screed. it's funny that a guy who's sole gimmick is whining about duh libruls is easier to trigger than a berkley student with an undercut in a hug closet, too easy :lol  go change your diaper little baby

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hahaha another optimus carepost screed. it's funny that a guy who's sole gimmick is whining about duh libruls is easier to trigger than a berkley student with an undercut in a hug closet, too easy :lol  go change your diaper little baby


Says the whiny bitch that cries 24/7 about 3 posters that disagree with an entire forum's narrative. Imagine if these were 30 people, imagine the desperate endless screeching.


you are so angry

That isn't an argument to my points. Next.

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Trump lost another attorney, this time it's Ty Cobb and his glorious mustache.
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That’s usually a good sign.

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Trump lost another attorney, this time it's Ty Cobb and his glorious mustache.

He slowly transformed into a cob

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hahaha another optimus carepost screed. it's funny that a guy who's sole gimmick is whining about duh libruls is easier to trigger than a berkley student with an undercut in a hug closet, too easy :lol  go change your diaper little baby


Says the whiny bitch that cries 24/7 about 3 posters that disagree with an entire forum's narrative. Imagine if these were 30 people, imagine the desperate endless screeching.


you are so angry

That isn't an argument to my points. Next.
i've never seen seagrams beaks say anything of value in here other than bitch about us lol then he talks about your carepost and you being triggered easily.

But it's easy to understand him. Imagine looking like what that dude looks like? I'd choose to be full blown autistic than to look like that dude.

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we really going to resort to making fun of how people look?  you fucking suck dude
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we really going to resort to making fun of how people look?  you fucking suck dude
Fucking kid does nothing but call us out without actually engaging in shit,  so yeah... i will. Cry about it.

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that's his whole gimmick. he's weirdly obsessed with me. i just blocked him and moved on, but i guess he's still continuing his creepy distinguished mentally-challenged stalker schtick

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that's his whole gimmick. he's weirdly obsessed with me. i just blocked him and moved on, but i guess he's still continuing his creepy distinguished mentally-challenged stalker schtick
And what's your whole schtick you dumb cunt?

"derp etoilete you're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow just like those distinguished mentally-challenged fellows derpa derp look how smart i am"

Jeez Mr Beaks. When you look like what you look like you better try THAT much fucking harder in the cognitive department. I would have thought life would have taught you that by now.

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i called him a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow and he made fun of how i look. he's not playing fair waahhhh wahh. fucking pussy

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i can't even see what you're saying but i'm glad i get to live rent free in your head lil buddy. have fun on the short bus, Stan

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i can't even see what you're saying but i'm glad i get to live rent free in your head lil buddy. have fun on the short bus, Stan
Brings people up he doesn't talk to and has gone so far as to block then pretends he's the one in peoples heads 

 :reeeee


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Trump lost another attorney, this time it's Ty Cobb and his glorious mustache.

To be fair, Ty Cobb is over 130 years old and only took up law after Pete Rose passed him on the all-time hits list and he couldn't command a decent appearance fee anymore.
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that's his whole gimmick. he's weirdly obsessed with me. i just blocked him and moved on, but i guess he's still continuing his creepy distinguished mentally-challenged stalker schtick

Oh shit he must have really hit a nerve. OK, on a scale of 1 to breaking the scale how fat are you?

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Surprised he didn't retire four months ago when the Mueller investigation finished.

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I can't hide that I kind of liked Kanye's unapologetic stance at first both for the drama, because Candance Owens has some decent points (amongst the dozens of bad ones) and because I'm sick and tired of celebrities backing down and apologizing when they dare to oppose even a little the official (neo)liberal narrative, even if that opposition comes from a rightwing perspective. I kust want to hear opposing views goddamnit.

But this, this is just fucked up:

https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/991721835816505344

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I kust want to hear opposing views goddamnit.


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Listen, if you can't trust Alex Jones...

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Listen, if you can't trust Alex Jones...

OK, can you seriously not see the difference between trusting Alex Jones and just taking his word for it about his guests on today's show?

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Listen, if you can't trust Alex Jones...

Please stop telling me and/or Kanye “no”, “can’t” or “shouldn’t”.
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I think Jones is making the claim to see people react against it and figures that will make Kanye want to do it because that's sort of his behavior pattern.

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Trump's new attorney is Honus Wagner.

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Trump's new attorney is Honus Wagner.

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Arrive for the Trump drama stay for Kanye on InfoWars  :rejoice

InfoWars is so surreal. Just for 5 minutes.

"Roger Stone coming up guys, this shit is going to blow your mind"

"YEAH, Let's fight the globalist scum. If Trump doesn't get them they will get him. It's the [blah blah blah crooked clinton blah blah gay frogs]"

*circle jerk with guest later*

"Totally cool to talk with you Roger, who I completely agree with."

"Yeah, you do whatever you're doing, keep fighting the deepstate Mike also BUY SUPER PILLS DELUXE MEN JUICE"
"Yeah man I got that stuff too. Like that's like some sick shit that makes your body all healthy and shit just look at Alex"

"Thanks man, yo appreciate it"

"SUPER GLUE, BUY IT NOW"

And guess what, apparently Kanye never appeared and they aired an old Candice interview.
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Trump's new attorney is Honus Wagner.

Who was that again?

An even older baseball player than Ty Cobb. His baseball card one of the most expensive to have.
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The decision to halt the investigations by an anticorruption prosecutor was handed down at a delicate moment for Ukraine, as the Trump administration was finalizing plans to sell the country sophisticated anti-tank missiles, called Javelins.

The State Department issued an export license for the missiles on Dec. 22, and on March 2 the Pentagon announced final approval for the sale of 210 Javelins and 35 launching units. The order to halt investigations into Mr. Manafort came in early April.

 :thinking
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« Reply #17698 on: May 02, 2018, 05:58:51 PM »


Let me make something clear. Notions like globalization, deep state, corporate media and manufactured consent are political terms the left has been using for decades. The fact that the alt-right is using them too doesn't mean that I should suddenly abandon them or ignore their significance, it only means that the alt-right has become more anti-status quo than fucking liberals which says a lot about liberals. Admittedly more often than not they use them in the most idiotic ways possible but hey, useful idiots are better than ruling class stooges parroting corporate propaganda.

The fact that you're delusional enough to think that the DNC neoliberals and Hillary Clinton would do something about health care and wealth inequality shows how out of touch with reality you people are. The only thing Obama did about health care was ban preexisting conditions, that's fucking it, everything else was pro-corporate crap that even screwed a lot of Americans financially. The only thing you're right about is climate change but let's be real that ship has sailed long ago, the Paris agreement is just weak damage control for the upcoming disaster your precious capitalism has caused.

As for accusing me for peddling Russian propaganda because I refused to believe another unverified excuse for war, yeah, like I said liberals have become more pro-status quo than fucking rightwingers so it's no surprise that you geniuses would immediately turn to McCarthyism the moment someone doubts your precious corporate media that have lied consistently to manufacture public support for war.

This is where you lose the plot to me. The alt-right(or Trump conservatives, which are basically just Republicans) are not useful idiots, they are just idiots. They co-opt terms but completely subvert their meaning.

Anti-globalism? It's not that they have some concept of economic justice they wish to advance, looking to close the major problem of growing wealth inequality or advance the interests of labor or the common man(even a superficial look at Trump's governing on things like executive orders on labor protections and his party's tax bill cements this), its just a flashy term for good old fashioned nativism to rile up their base. The deep state? It's been used literally like rhetoric borrowed from autocrats like Putin and Erdogan. It's populist language used to justify self-serving cronyism and power grabs, it has nothing to do with questions about institutional corruption or overreach, just rhetorical coverage to uproot institutions that stand as impediments to their authoritarian tendencies. In over a year, not once has Trump tried to advance any legislation that attempts to positively address structural issues in the political system or institutions. Just scandal after scandal and rampant cronyism. That right there should be the tell. Anti-corporate media? Give me a fucking break. The only reason there is any issue with the press on the right is because their leader has no respect for the ideals he is charged with protecting and wishes to eliminate adversarial voices that will inform the public on his incompetence and malfeasance. The opposite of what you claim your ideals to be. If the current corporate media is bad, you have your work cut out for me to explain how the right has the answers on that.

As for healthcare, you don't even make sense. Even Bernie can recognize that you don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. Obamacare by any margin made healthcare more accessible and improved the system. Was it an ideal? Absolutely not. And I would gladly discuss this with you to any level of surgical depth you are capable of handling. But at the end of the day this is not an autocracy and Obama can't force Joe Lieberman to accept the public option or more generous subsidies. Obama can't overrule the courts that struck down a minor typo to refuse Medicaid expansion money, or stop Marco Rubio and Republicans from sabotaging the risk corridors and undermining the non-profit co-ops that were intended to inject additional market competition and make coverage more affordable. Either way, on any of those topics, the left, even the evil establishment left, is far closer to those ideals than the alt right. Yet you seem to throw almost all your hate at them while doing contortionist acts to apologize or blind yourself to the alt-right's vastly more disagreeable stances on every issue you claim to hold dear.

...Except for your hatred of social justice and feminism. There you seem to have a true common cause. One thats beyond using the same language, that does seem to be of substance.

So this all gets me back to the central point, despite all those vast sets of differences, you seem to almost exclusively organize around the alt-right and anti-liberalism with a high level of frequency, while the only thing you seem to truly have shared beliefs on are hating social justice advocates and feminism. Which certainly suggests that seems to be an overruling quality for you. So I would say again, identity over policy? Or were you really that superficially unaware of the context in which the alt-right's language exists in?

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As for the insistence on standing behind Russian propaganda. Which I will point out again, in your attempt to show that Wolf Blitzer is a deep-state war-for-profit shill, you literally quoted a state propaganda outlet attempting to misrepresent a situation to propagandize for their authoritarian employer so as to benefit their war-profit and geopolitical military interests in the Middle East. Even you need to laugh at the absurdity on that one pal.
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Nola

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Trump lost another attorney, this time it's Ty Cobb and his glorious mustache.

TBH he is replacing him with a really good.

Which says two things to me. Trump might finally have someone that can match Mueller's legal muscle. Trump is so desperate he is willingly walking into the inherent contradiction of seeking Clinton's fixer.