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Dickie Dee

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Obama endorsed Medicare for All. Crazy how quickly M4A has become mainstream for the Dems.

I wonder if Republican obstinacy is a factor here. Part of the idea behind the ACA was that they could possibly peel off some votes, and at least the GOP would be invested in making it work once it became law. Instead they got the broadest, most sustained resistance to a piece of legislation in my lifetime: multiple court challenges, a bazillion repeal bills, state governments opting out of making their own exchanges or taking the Medicaid expansion (which was only an option as the result of a SCOTUS decision), the Trump administration undermining the exchanges, etc.

If that's how they react to a compromise bill that keeps the private insurance industry in place, why not just go for something like single payer? How much worse could the backlash possibly be compared to 2010?

I wonder if he also thinks ACA has too many moving parts and is more vulnerable to a death by a thousand cuts.

M4A if enacted would likely join the third rail of politics after 2-4 years (GOP probably gets one election cycle kick at the can)
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/05/down-ballot-liberal-reformers-take-over-criminal-justice-system/

Very pleasantly surprised by how much traction criminal justice reform is getting. Did not see that coming.

Note as concrete, but I noticed it's the only issue Obama mentions in a section I'm sure he meant to be highlighted:

(Edit: their follow-up reply kind of undercuts that, but still...)

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1038112828950020097
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^ a Nintex post
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Obama endorsed Medicare for All. Crazy how quickly M4A has become mainstream for the Dems.

I wonder if Republican obstinacy is a factor here. Part of the idea behind the ACA was that they could possibly peel off some votes, and at least the GOP would be invested in making it work once it became law. Instead they got the broadest, most sustained resistance to a piece of legislation in my lifetime: multiple court challenges, a bazillion repeal bills, state governments opting out of making their own exchanges or taking the Medicaid expansion (which was only an option as the result of a SCOTUS decision), the Trump administration undermining the exchanges, etc.

If that's how they react to a compromise bill that keeps the private insurance industry in place, why not just go for something like single payer? How much worse could the backlash possibly be compared to 2010?

I wonder if he also thinks ACA has too many moving parts and is more vulnerable to a death by a thousand cuts.

M4A if enacted would likely join the third rail of politics after 2-4 years (GOP probably gets one election cycle kick at the can)

I think this was really obvious even in 2009. The ACA has a lot of good stuff in it but was also sort of s huge political miscalculation.


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I wonder if he also thinks ACA has too many moving parts and is more vulnerable to a death by a thousand cuts.

M4A if enacted would likely join the third rail of politics after 2-4 years (GOP probably gets one election cycle kick at the can)

Not just that, but the marketplace aspects (the mandates, exchanges, etc.) have been more susceptible to attack than the direct benefits. As much resistance as there's been to the Medicaid expansion by Republican governors, it never gets rolled back once its implemented, and it's something the GOP got scared away from touching during their repeal attempts last year.


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That was lamer than Nintex... congrats?

Nintex

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Romney wasn't as flexible as Barrack after the election.

The Russians always play both sides.
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I mean despite our president likely being both financially and politically compromised by them, they still aren't.


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Republican pros have, in recent weeks, quietly settled on new conventional wisdom: If Donald Trump is not impeached first, he is likely to face a primary challenge — of some sort — in 2020. The matter was regarded as an open question for most of 2018, but a new emergent consensus among the party’s consultants and strategists has taken root after Paul Manafort’s conviction and Michael Cohen’s implication of the president in federal court.

And New Hampshire — fertile ground historically for political insurgencies — is likely to be the place were we see the first clues about who the candidate will be, and what form exactly the challenge will take.
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Outgoing Ohio Governor John Kasich, by far the best-known and likeliest challenger ...
Retiring Arizona Senator Jeff Flake, a former tea party hero who’s become Trump’s most prominent Republican critic in Washington ...
Proponents of Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse have quietly, and casually, spoken by phone with local power brokers ...
in-state operatives have informally kept tabs on an array of other potential candidates, including, wistfully, Mitt Romney  ...
Bill Kristol, the Weekly Standard founder and famous neoconservative, has been working to recruit a challenger, setting up meetings with interested donors and political figures, and stealthily running polls and focus groups ...
some Trump loyalists, for example, have grown wary of United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley ...
Pence plays a growing midterms role with his day-to-day campaigning, fundraising, and endorsing ...
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Flake jokingly described himself as “that rarest of species: the American conservative, Americanus NeverTrumpus, subgenus: RINO,”
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Finally, in May, the RNC axed its debate committee, signaling the party likely won’t hold any sanctioned primary debates in 2020, even if a challenger does emerge.

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At one point, Nixon shook her chest, to the delight of the cheering woman in front of her.

better dancer than Theresa May:


benjipwns

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I believe that's the Tory Power Dance.

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/will-donald-trump-face-a-primary-challenge-in-2020.html
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Republican pros have, in recent weeks, quietly settled on new conventional wisdom: If Donald Trump is not impeached first, he is likely to face a primary challenge — of some sort — in 2020. The matter was regarded as an open question for most of 2018, but a new emergent consensus among the party’s consultants and strategists has taken root after Paul Manafort’s conviction and Michael Cohen’s implication of the president in federal court.

The people who make their living off of Republican candidates think the conditions are good for some additional Republican candidates.

It could get really interesting if Trump ever does combust though, especially depending on the timing.

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Having trouble imagining how Trump could combust at this point other than a full-on stroke and even then it's 50/50 he'd keep his base

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Having trouble imagining how Trump could combust at this point other than a full-on stroke and even then it's 50/50 he'd keep his base

It's unlikely (wild ass guess of ~10% if Dems can get either chamber), but I remember how deep the personality cult was for Dubya on the right before "he was never a real conservative."

Which sort of implies that Trump should worry more about gas prices spiking than any criminal revelations.

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Trump needs to invade North Korea to get the population and the media behind him.

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and the Democrats, lulz
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kingv

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Trump Democrats are already all in for him.

Nintex

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John Bolton has an uplifting message for the International Criminal Court
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Part of me wonders if the midterms are becoming national in the sense that turnout will be a lot higher than 2014/2010/2006/etc due to more coverage, Trump having more involvement, Obama's involvement, etc. Right now it's looking like dems will take the house but I do kinda wonder if the investigation, impeachment, etc talk can get republicans to actually vote. Doesn't seem like it has motivated them yet, based on enthusiasm polls, tho.
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Kinda weird how Trump randomly barges into meetings and Omarosa has perfect directional audio as if she held her phone right on front of his face.
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kingv

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Trump tweets that stupid bullshit openly.

Show us something good omarosa.

agrajag

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Can everyone just go back to ignoring Omarosa please, thanks

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It’s O ma rosa say it right or we’re cursed to see her forever!

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Zuck am chud confirmed.
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Frankly, I'm surprised that Bolton got "Intents and purposes" right.
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This doesn’t feel like the exactly appropriate thread but I’ll ask here anyway: did the Huffington Post kinda die? It’s still there but I never see people talking about it or linking to it, and I also don’t recall any scandals that would’ve made it unpopular. Anyone know what happened there? It used to be one of the most popular sites on the web.
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Their articles are mostly "here's what Twitter says" and linking to late night youtube clips these days.
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benjipwns

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Ayn probably would have written hundred part tweets hourly.

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Their articles are mostly "here's what Twitter says" and linking to late night youtube clips these days.

Top 1 Question Don Lemon has for Donald Trump (you won’t believe #1!)
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Nintex

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Yeah 9/11 woooo



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This book is hilarious, Bannon was gonna fucking box Christie in an elevator before a Trump interview.
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Nintex

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This guy has a long thread on the book.
https://twitter.com/PatBlanchfield/status/1037000161640230912

But yeah, it seems a bit sketchy at times. Especially because these sources (Bannon, Porter, Cohn, Priebus, Kellyanne, Graham(!) et all) seem as trustworthy as Trump himself.

Christie wasn't a source so all the Christie / Bannon episodes were fed to Woodward by .... Bannon
https://twitter.com/GovChristie/status/1039562106079723521

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Yeah 9/11 woooo

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They gonna let him drive the choo choo train

Nintex

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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1039557961427902465

Jesus christ, that's gotta be up there with one of the dumbest ideas in recent history.  :doge
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This guy has a long thread on the book.
https://twitter.com/PatBlanchfield/status/1037000161640230912

But yeah, it seems a bit sketchy at times. Especially because these sources (Bannon, Porter, Cohn, Priebus, Kellyanne, Graham(!) et all) seem as trustworthy as Trump himself.

Christie wasn't a source so all the Christie / Bannon episodes were fed to Woodward by .... Bannon
https://twitter.com/GovChristie/status/1039562106079723521

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this is a nintex post
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“I think Puerto Rico was incredibly successful. Puerto Rico was actually our toughest one of all because it’s an island, so you can’t truck things onto it, everything’s by boat. We moved a hospital into Puerto Rico, a tremendous military hospital in the form of a ship. You know that. And I actually think and the governor has been very nice––if you ask the governor, he’ll tell you what a great job. I think probably the hardest one we had by far was Puerto Rico because of the island nature, and I actually think it was one of the best jobs that’s ever been done with respect to what this is all about.

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“I think Puerto Rico was incredibly successful. Puerto Rico was actually our toughest one of all because it’s an island, so you can’t truck things onto it, everything’s by boat. We moved a hospital into Puerto Rico, a tremendous military hospital in the form of a ship. You know that. And I actually think and the governor has been very nice––if you ask the governor, he’ll tell you what a great job. I think probably the hardest one we had by far was Puerto Rico because of the island nature, and I actually think it was one of the best jobs that’s ever been done with respect to what this is all about.

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Big league water.

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Wtf happened to Tim Kaine btw

All the true Kainiacs out there know he's just laying low for now, biding his time until he's ready to go into 2020 Beast Mode.
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Nintex

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Trump's ideas on water are even more weird than his ideas on everything else.
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Trump's ideas on water are even more weird than his ideas on everything else.
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The worst part of this is changing the flow of these rivers would already decimate a lot of land to boot on top of killing off the wildlife it's protecting so idk. None of it makes sense and it's all directed towards helping central valley growers who are already deeply republican.
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Any hot takes on the Ken Starr book? Debating on reading it.

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The Carolinas being wiped off the map should be good for democrats
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benjipwns

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The Washington Times has always been part of the conservative vanguard against communist media bias. (Though I personally think it's become increasingly worse over the end of Bush years into the Obama years, it used to be a bit more of just a conservative spin on things with conservative columnists, much like Fox was. Though like Fox, the occasional white supremacist or something would sneak in, I don't feel like the Times would have been publishing regular stories about stuff like Seth Rich or a lot of its inflammatory-focused immigration restrictionist content 15+ years ago. It wasn't favorable to Pat Buchanan for example.)

I imagine a large part of the The Daily Caller's increased prominence on Fox comes from the fact that Tucker owns it. (Or did?) Plus it seems to be a key site for the "scoops" of the conservative press these days. Like it was the first site to dig out that Bill Kristol had finally decided to grab the Infinity Stones himself, and he actually replied back to it, even Democratic or progressive organizations will respond to its inquiries. Some of it isn't entirely terrible, like how BuzzFeed would always have those one or two semi-legitimate reporters, TDC has a few of those. It also has benefited from Hot Air's more prominent editorial voices regularly bashing Trump and running anti-Trump stories.

I think there's tensions within Fox because its original main sources for conservative voices like the Wall Street Journal are at best Trump-neutral on key issues, so are lots of the think tanks it used to mine, while the audience wants lots of Pro-Trump coverage. So they're having to turn to a lower tier of guest and source. Along with social media superstars like Diamond and Silk.

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/julia-salazar-new-york-state-senate.html
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A state senate race that was once hailed as a test of the rising strength and power of insurgent socialists has devolved into a full-fledged New York City tabloid circus, featuring charges of lies, identify fraud, theft, and an affair with New York Mets legend Keith Hernandez.

And that was just last week.

Every time the life story of first-time state senate candidate Julia Salazar, 27, seems it can’t get any more convoluted, it does. First, questions were raised about her religious background and political affiliation, after it was revealed she grew up in a Christian family and was a registered Republican who led an anti-abortion group in college before running for office as a Jewish socialist. Then, her self-identification as an immigrant came under fire — she was born in Miami — and her own brother went to town on her claims that she is from a working-class background.
stupid easily accessible records are screwing up stuff for everybody these days

but maybe we'll finally get to the bottom of whether there was a second spitter

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I don't really know much about her, but going back to her genealogical history seems a little far-fetched to prove a point. It kind of makes me think the rest is a little less reliable when they start saying her ancestor way mayor of Bogota in 1824 and therefore she comes from a wealthy background.

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Money cant buy class.

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Member when Trump's kids would run the business and wouldn't interfere with government?
"So what about the hurricane disaster relief"
"I see the government working from up close and have been personally involved myself"
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https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-google-leaderships-dismayed-reaction-to-trump-election/
I like how the video says: "CONFIDENTIAL - INTERNAL USE ONLY"
Also the gatherings at Google are as cult-like TED talkey as you'd expect them to be.
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Also the gatherings at Google are as cult-like TED talkey as you'd expect them to be.

I think every major corporation is like that. Even this hotel group I used to work for (Commune Hotels and Resorts) had conferences that are cult-like. The CEO would talk about all sorts of philosophical shit and life stories and how they informed her journey to being a mega rich corporate executive. I was like bitch, it's not that serious.


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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Hurricane coming, time to retweet Lou Dobbs
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Welfare states :trigger
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https://twitter.com/rodimusprime/status/1039358092075524096

The whole movement is like this. They have their one talking point and they are all in on it. Any deviation starts to gum up the works.
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