US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/charliebilello/status/1149481839326720005

 

[Himu]

\

Nah, people get upset hearing negative shit about their fave, whether it's in the form of C- amateur punditry or fairly rigorous poll aggregation.

I can't pretend Twitter Dems are that much saner than Dean Chambers. We've already had posters in this thread unskewing polls.

You know what, I was going to silently disagree with you but I have to say you are right. Sanders fans are fucking unbearable in their eternal quest for mild socdem grandpa. They are as rigid and uncompromising as any politruk or red guard battling countterrevolution, with none of the (situational) authority. they take any preference or acknowledgment of a candidate that isn't daddy harder, more personally than any single american political bloc i remember seeing in my lifetime since the Paulites. I have to say, they (almost) make me hate him.

Are you tankie? :lupe

What is that ? Liz Warren 2020

Just trying to see how red you truly are.

[agrajag]

Hayes is the most progressive talking head on MSNBC

That's what I'm getting at. I think one day he loses it and ends up on Democracy Now! or some shit.

he's friends with Sam Seder. Him and that weirdo who always quotes rap songs are the only ones who will have him on.

[agrajag]

Chris Hayes also does that Tucker confused dog face sometimes 

[Himu]

Responding to my post seriously when it was just an excuse to copy the ironic syntax in Cindi's 

Please tell me what you assumed I was alleging in my post.

[Mandark]

You know what, I was going to silently disagree with you but I have to say you are right. Sanders fans are fucking unbearable in their eternal quest for mild socdem grandpa. They are as rigid and uncompromising as any politruk or red guard battling countterrevolution, with none of the (situational) authority. they take any preference or acknowledgment of a candidate that isn't daddy harder, more personally than any single american political bloc i remember seeing in my lifetime since the Paulites. I have to say, they (almost) make me hate him.

I always second-guess my own assessment of these things. By posting about politics online I'm subjecting myself to the most rabid 2% of any given group.

But I've heard enough casual Dem and non-political acquaintances refer to the archetype of the Intense Sanders Evangelist Who Won't Shut Up that it seems out there in the public psyche. Plus as much as we talk about how bad 2016 got, it's probably worse than we remember. HA Goodman and Seth Abramson were writing galaxy brain takes that went massively viral. Superdelegates were going to flip the convention for Bernie (just like later in the year faithless electors were going to make Hillary president).

[Mandark]

Also best neolib wonk dad is Brad DeLong.

[curly]

You know what, I was going to silently disagree with you but I have to say you are right. Sanders fans are fucking unbearable in their eternal quest for mild socdem grandpa. They are as rigid and uncompromising as any politruk or red guard battling countterrevolution, with none of the (situational) authority. they take any preference or acknowledgment of a candidate that isn't daddy harder, more personally than any single american political bloc i remember seeing in my lifetime since the Paulites. I have to say, they (almost) make me hate him.

I always second-guess my own assessment of these things. By posting about politics online I'm subjecting myself to the most rabid 2% of any given group.

But I've heard enough casual Dem and non-political acquaintances refer to the archetype of the Intense Sanders Evangelist Who Won't Shut Up that it seems out there in the public psyche. Plus as much as we talk about how bad 2016 got, it's probably worse than we remember. HA Goodman and Seth Abramson were writing galaxy brain takes that went massively viral. Superdelegates were going to flip the convention for Bernie (just like later in the year faithless electors were going to make Hillary president).

My fave example of this (because I am ideologically positioned such that it reinforces my beliefs instead of causing troublesome doubt):

https://www.lennyletter.com/story/hillary-clinton-is-more-than-a-president

I want to reverse the usual schedule of things, then. We don't have to wait until she dies to act. Hillary Clinton's name belongs on ships, and airports, and tattoos. She deserves straight-up hagiographies and a sold-out Broadway show called RODHAM. Yes, this cultural canonization is going to come after the chronic, constant, nonstop "On the other hand" sexist hedging around her legacy. But such is the courage of Hillary Clinton and her supporters; we reverse patriarchal orders. Maybe she is more than a president. Maybe she is an idea, a world-historical heroine, light itself. The presidency is too small for her. She belongs to a much more elite class of Americans, the more-than-presidents. Neil Armstrong, Martin Luther King Jr., Alexander Fucking Hamilton.

[Joe Molotov]

tired of all these neolibs, time for some retrolibs

[Himu]

Please tell me what you assumed I was alleging in my post.

Was it a typo? That JFK was more of a liberal than Obama

Oh, I see. No. The post was deliberate. JFK is touted as this big liberal president when the civil rights act sat on his desk gathering dust and double downed on our military, paving the way for the Vietnam war and 80's Reaganism. Yet, to many Democrats he's often touted as a true liberal. Meanwhile Obama is often criticized for following a lot of 80's moderate Republican isms which were laid down by JFK. This has made Obama - the moderate conservative remember - funnily gain the ire of many Republicans.

Given Esch's comment on "between libertarian and liberal" I made a jape - which seems to have bombed - because I quite honestly don't know what between a liberal and libertarian even is. So as a joke I asked Esch what his definition of a liberal is, and given Esch's commie interests, I know he doesn't think too highly of them and would find little difference.

Hence the joke.

[Mandark]

My fave example of this (because I am ideologically positioned such that it reinforces my beliefs instead of causing troublesome doubt):

https://www.lennyletter.com/story/hillary-clinton-is-more-than-a-president

Good God. Reading this was like the Poe's Law version of staring directly at the Sun.

[TVC15]

JFK was an awesome liberal. He banged Marilyn Monroe.

[agrajag]

JFK was an awesome liberal. He banged Marilyn Monroe.

but did he imbibe her bath water?

[Himu]

I thought you were communist.

[Great Rumbler]

JFK was an awesome liberal. He banged Marilyn Monroe.

but did he imbibe her bath water?

Yeah, he probably did. And then spit it in Bobby's face.

[Himu]

Also, were all liberals here

Even Benji?!

[Tripon]

JFK was so progressive, he tried to off Fidel Castro first year in his administration. 

Actually had a history teacher try to link JFK, the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, and the JFK assassination. Dude got caught years (about 2 decade later) of embezzling from the ASB fund. Apparently, he was raiding the ASB funds to try to pay for a side business he was running.

[Kara]

Also, were all liberals here

I voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries and election

I'm registered no party preference but I vote Democrat down the line because I believe in sane, technocratic government. I'd like to consider Republican candidates but alas they have long since abandoned reason and stick to divisive culture war issues instead of coming together to pass things that will benefit all Americans like tax credits or obtuse health care overhauls.

[kingv]

\

Nah, people get upset hearing negative shit about their fave, whether it's in the form of C- amateur punditry or fairly rigorous poll aggregation.

I can't pretend Twitter Dems are that much saner than Dean Chambers. We've already had posters in this thread unskewing polls.

You know what, I was going to silently disagree with you but I have to say you are right. Sanders fans are fucking unbearable in their eternal quest for mild socdem grandpa. They are as rigid and uncompromising as any politruk or red guard battling countterrevolution, with none of the (situational) authority. they take any preference or acknowledgment of a candidate that isn't daddy harder, more personally than any single american political bloc i remember seeing in my lifetime since the Paulites. I have to say, they (almost) make me hate him.

Are you tankie? :lupe

For real, communist twitter is the the best Twitter. There’s some really funny tankies out there.

A common experience seems to be they were locked up for minor drug crimes

[Kara]

@turing_police is an alcoholic now.

I think he still does meth too.

[agrajag]

Also, were all liberals here

Even Benji?!

Yes, child. Even Benji.

[Tripon]

Also, were all liberals here

I voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries and election

I'm registered no party preference but I vote Democrat down the line because I believe in sane, technocratic government. I'd like to consider Republican candidates but alas they have long since abandoned reason and stick to divisive culture war issues instead of coming together to pass things that will benefit all Americans like tax credits or obtuse health care overhauls.

Sounds like a true Whig party stalwart.

[Himu]

\

Nah, people get upset hearing negative shit about their fave, whether it's in the form of C- amateur punditry or fairly rigorous poll aggregation.

I can't pretend Twitter Dems are that much saner than Dean Chambers. We've already had posters in this thread unskewing polls.

You know what, I was going to silently disagree with you but I have to say you are right. Sanders fans are fucking unbearable in their eternal quest for mild socdem grandpa. They are as rigid and uncompromising as any politruk or red guard battling countterrevolution, with none of the (situational) authority. they take any preference or acknowledgment of a candidate that isn't daddy harder, more personally than any single american political bloc i remember seeing in my lifetime since the Paulites. I have to say, they (almost) make me hate him.

Are you tankie? :lupe

For real, communist twitter is the the best Twitter. There’s some really funny tankies out there.

A common experience seems to be they were locked up for minor drug crimes

The tankies frighten me but I take solace in that they could never organize anything, much less a revolution.

[Tripon]

I feel like Tripon is my closest ally in this thread.

#SederForLibertariamPresident2020

Edit: Sam Seder doing his best Tucker Carlson impression.

[agrajag]

nabbing rugged Seder daddy as my new avy, thx

[Himu]

I feel like Tripon is my closest ally in this thread.

At least you have an ally. Mupepe is my closest.

[TVC15]

I feel like Tripon is my closest ally in this thread.

At least you have an ally. Mupepe is my closest.

What happened to mupepe? Did he find someone that loves eating butthole as much as he does and abandon us?

[agrajag]

ftw all your commie buddies turn out to be regular ol' libruls

 

[Himu]

I feel like Tripon is my closest ally in this thread.

At least you have an ally. Mupepe is my closest.

What happened to mupepe? Did he find someone that loves eating butthole as much as he does and abandon us?

Living life and making me jealous!

[Kara]

@turing_police is an alcoholic now.

I think he still does meth too.

i legit thought he was a joke account for weeks of following him.

He drifted into being the Weird Twitter equivalent of a Ural motorcycle (pre-electronic fuel injection); not sure if he got hammered by the PSL for being active on social media (they have rules about that) or if he just moved on. He still shits on DSA Los Angeles so there's that at least.

He was #iconic in the Syrian Civil War Twitter spats of yore though; never seen someone so benign make Oz Katerji melt the fuck down the way he could.

[Kara]

ftw all your commie buddies turn out to be regular ol' libruls

 

Better luck next time, Supervisory Special Agent.

[Himu]

Also fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck JFK

[Tripon]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/11/teachers-union-sues-betsy-devos-1583187

One of the nation’s largest teachers unions filed suit Thursday against Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, accusing her agency of mismanaging a major program intended to provide student loan forgiveness to public service workers.

The American Federation of Teachers claims the Education Department has improperly rejected the applications of teachers seeking public service loan forgiveness and violated their constitutional right to due process.

AFT President Randi Weingarten and eight student loan borrowers who are teachers or work in public service jobs are named as plaintiffs in the suit, which was filed in federal court in Washington, D.C.

The Public Service Loan Forgiveness program, which was passed by Congress in 2007, was designed to allow student loan borrowers who work in public service jobs to have their loans discharged after they make 10 years of payments. But relatively few borrowers have been able to obtain the benefit in recent years, as the Education Department has rejected roughly 99 percent of applications. That's left tens of thousands of frustrated borrowers with student loans they thought would be forgiven after they worked a decade on the job.

The department has said that the applications are being rejected because borrowers have not met the eligibility requirements of the program.

Gotta admit, I'm interested in how this one plays out because I need my loans to be forgiven. I hadn't tried to get the 10 years part yet, but just trying to get the federal government and the loan company to understand I working towards 5 years as a teacher is some kafkaesque BS (to get $10K off my loans). I can't imagine all the hoops I have to do when I actually do apply to get the entire thing forgiven in about 5-7 years from now.

[agrajag]

ftw all your commie buddies turn out to be regular ol' libruls

 

Better luck next time, Supervisory Special Agent.

рано или поздно, ты ошибёшься!

 

[Tripon]

 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Published on May 17, 2016

[close]

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/TessaLightsItUp/status/1069743507584086016



juicy thread TVC might be into this

[team filler]

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/TessaLightsItUp/status/1069743507584086016



juicy thread TVC might be into this

All that because her jeans are not buttoned.

Trying to find out more about #StaneJerko and there’s very little. He’s said to be an acclaimed fashion photographer in Slovenia but if that were true, why can’t I find more?

Most likely, creepy guy Stane Jerko recruited her and her interest mysteriously changed to modeling.

"Slovenia is supposed to be a real country but all I can find when searching Google is the history of the glorious SRFY".


BA in Humanities/Philosophy, Artist, Real Estate Broker, Urban Farmer, Animal Rescuer, Conservationist, Photographer and Singer/Songwriter w/Heartwood Revival but pretty unfamiliar with the world of fashion photos and modeling (to be fair the latter sometimes sounds like people-trafficking-lite alright.).

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/1149597426832986112

Benji, come get ya boy!

[Kara]

agrajag linking It's Going Down.

Unrelated: critical support to Donald Trump for going after company scrip
 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1149472284702208000

[Occam]

I just had a crazy idea that probably wouldn't work because you couldn't organize enough people to participate, but couldn't the Democrats destroy Republican gerrymandering by having several Million Democrats register as Republican who then vote D in the elections (after being gerrymandered)?
(Right now there are 70 Million registered Democrats vs 50 Million Republicans.)

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/SenGillibrand/status/1149498925339910146

 

[Himu]

Acosta resigned.

[VomKriege]

Acosta resigned.

Time for another acting-acting-acting-Cabinet-member.

[Occam]

Awesome how there are no rules for the US government. You can just enforce whatever you want by executive order, you don't need to fill open positions within any time limit and can just leave them unoccupied indefinitely. Subpoenas by congress? Who cares, nothing happens if you just ignore them. Know you're going to lose a vote in a local Senate? Just skip town with your fellow Republican congressmen and prevent the vote from taking place. There are no repercussions.

[Himu]

Awesome how there are no rules for the US government. You can just enforce whatever you want by executive order, you don't need to fill open positions within any time limit and can just leave them unoccupied indefinitely. Subpoenas by congress? Who cares, nothing happens if you just ignore them. Know you're going to lose a vote in a local Senate? Just skip town with your fellow Republican congressmen and prevent the vote from taking place. There are no repercussions.

It’s almost like it was done to keep the elite in charge.

Fuck the state.

[Kara]

The so-called rule of law is very important!

[kingv]

@turing_police is an alcoholic now.

I think he still does meth too.

18K followers.... too mainstream for me. Next up I’m going to follow the horse?! Yeah

[agrajag]

the idea that we are going to be on the bore/alive in 2034

 

[Kara]

Me when a Borean gets arrested in 2034 for posting about dismantling the bourgeois state. It runs completely counter to what this forum stands for.

(Image removed from quote.)

https://twitter.com/hshaban/status/1149665583949991937

  They don't even try anymore.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

[Great Rumbler]

Awesome how there are no rules for the US government. You can just enforce whatever you want by executive order, you don't need to fill open positions within any time limit and can just leave them unoccupied indefinitely. Subpoenas by congress? Who cares, nothing happens if you just ignore them. Know you're going to lose a vote in a local Senate? Just skip town with your fellow Republican congressmen and prevent the vote from taking place. There are no repercussions.

The courts are increasingly populated by judges who won't push back.
The Republicans who control the Senate either support it or don't care.
Dem leadership in Congress generally isn't willing to fight.
Roughly half of voters don't care.

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.tampabay.com/florida/2019/06/23/nearly-400-people-buried-in-tampa-are-missing-what-happened-to-zion-cemetery/
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ccb439/were_the_florida_reporters_who_discovered_that_up/

not really politics but we don't have a news thread

[Kara]

https://amp.desertsun.com/amp/1685747001

Worth noting (besides "they aren't even trying anymore") that California is the only state without a meaningful severance tax.

[Occam]

Awesome how there are no rules for the US government. You can just enforce whatever you want by executive order, you don't need to fill open positions within any time limit and can just leave them unoccupied indefinitely. Subpoenas by congress? Who cares, nothing happens if you just ignore them. Know you're going to lose a vote in a local Senate? Just skip town with your fellow Republican congressmen and prevent the vote from taking place. There are no repercussions.

The courts are increasingly populated by judges who won't push back.
The Republicans who control the Senate either support it or don't care.
Dem leadership in Congress generally isn't willing to fight.
Roughly half of voters don't care.

But why are the Democrats such wimps? How do they not get what the Republicans are doing? Do they enjoy being bullied by a group of people who don't care about ethics or laws? Are they morons?

[agrajag]

most of them just don't care bro

 

[Nintex]

Nancy and the Democrats must be hatching a secret plan to destroy Donald Trump any day now



https://twitter.com/scottwongDC/status/1149642128575717377

 

[agrajag]

they see the progressive block of their party as the bigger threat to their status quo than Trump

[agrajag]

Shut up, Glen.

[Tripon]

In all seriousness, pelosi told the progressive wing that why should she listen to them, they only got 4 votes. So they basically took that advice and going to try to primary as many safe democratic seats and as many purple seats as possible.

Imo, Pelosi needs to not just worry about the moderates, but people not yet alligned to any group but will pick a side eventually. Katie Hill is my rep in Congress right now and represent conservative-ish Simi valley (the fact that I can say Simi valley is only conservative leaning right now is wild), mixed politically Santa Clarita and democratic heavy Palmdale/Lancaster area.

But I will tell you this, if and when Katie Hill picks an official cascus it probably won't be the "problem solvers" group. People in her district are looking for her to solve shit, not just be a number. That's what did Steve Knight in, the Republican that had Katie Hill's seat before her. Dude couldn't advance simple shit in a Congress that was more conservative, Republican and alligned to his values. I don't think Hill will.make the same mistake.

[Mandark]

But I will tell you this, if and when Katie Hill picks an official cascus it probably won't be the "problem solvers" group. People in her district are looking for her to solve shit, not just be a number. That's what did Steve Knight in, the Republican that had Katie Hill's seat before her. Dude couldn't advance simple shit in a Congress that was more conservative, Republican and alligned to his values. I don't think Hill will.make the same mistake.

You seem pretty confident about this.

Care to make a wager?