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« Reply #41880 on: September 26, 2019, 01:51:28 PM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| It sounds horrible to me.
« Reply #41881 on: September 26, 2019, 02:25:57 PM »
Part of what was in the complaint was not in the call.

So either they forged the transcript or the information the whistle blower got was taken out of context because it was second hand information.
The real question is, why would it be forbidden for Rudy Giuliani to travel overseas and meet with people?

There were multiple calls. The White House only released the "transcript" (actually a memo of notes, not a transcript at all) of one of the calls (I believe the second call) that pretty blatantly implicated Trump (and Barr, Rudy by extension). Even if there wasn't $400M in defense aid being held up at the time of these calls, Trump asking the Ukrainian president to search for and find dirt on his top political rival ahead of an election, to the extent of saying he was going to have his personal attorney and the United States Attorney General call and get involved is highly irregular and bizarre at best, highly illegal at worst. The AG being implicated as being involved or intended to be involved being the one who attempted to shut down the investigation is also an issue (let alone not recusing himself from the whole thing). Bill Barr is very likely going to be a witness in whatever comes out of this, and he tried to shut down the investigation before it really began.

Rudy's role in this being an issue is because he claims he's working on behalf of the State Department despite not being in the State Department at all, and working as Donald Trump's personal lawyer is not the same as being White House counsel.

Then the White House moved the actual transcripts of the call to a different, locked off server used only for conversations that involve threats to national security, but the Trump administration has used it multiple times to hide things that might be politically or criminally questionable. The administration tried to get the investigation into the complaint shut down, and would have successfully had this not been leaked to the public. To start it off, his staff didn't want him to take the fucking call to begin with because MULTIPLE members of his staff were afraid he'd do something like this.


To top it off, Trump immediately called the whistleblower a partisan hack and encouraged attacks on this unknown person's character, and just a bit ago implied that we should get back to killing "spies". And this is all ignoring that this particular call took place one day after the Mueller Report, which found at least 10 charges of obstruction of justice to have been committed by Trump and some more nebulous acceptance of election interference of his campaign. Trump actually mentioned this IN THE CALL, insulting Mueller in a tangent, then shortly after on a TV interview from the oval office said he'd accept information on political opponents from foreign agents/governments without contacting the FBI.



But yeah no big deal.

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Nintex

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| It sounds horrible to me.
« Reply #41882 on: September 26, 2019, 02:28:07 PM »
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1177284709233111040

We will soon get to see that if Trump shoots someone on 5th avenue he doesn't lose any voters.
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« Reply #41883 on: September 26, 2019, 02:28:46 PM »
It seems like people are watching two different movies on this Ukraine stuff.  Dems see impeachable offenses. Republicans don't.

If no side will concede, the political apparatus of impeachment seems like a dead-end anyway.

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« Reply #41884 on: September 26, 2019, 02:42:14 PM »
Impeachment won't succeed and that's the point. The impeachment inquiry is to show the American people the level of corruption and the dereliction of duty of this administration. When senate republicans cover for trump, Dems can hammer that cover on the campaign trail into 2020.
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« Reply #41885 on: September 26, 2019, 02:56:53 PM »
With Ukraine Trump and Rudy stepped on a landmine. You can grift in Israel, take hand-outs from the Saudi's and even launder some cash in Cyprus but politicians and other powerful people from all around the globe have skeletons in the closet in Ukraine that they don't want others to find.
It is quite possibly the most corrupt country on the planet.
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« Reply #41886 on: September 26, 2019, 03:36:15 PM »
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-26/trump-at-private-breakfast-who-gave-the-whistle-blower-the-information-because-thats-almost-a-spy

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“I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy,” he continued. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”

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« Reply #41887 on: September 26, 2019, 03:42:45 PM »
In the old days, we used to have people in the CIA that knew how to handle presidents that got out of line too. :mike
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« Reply #41888 on: September 26, 2019, 04:08:35 PM »
It seems like people are watching two different movies on this Ukraine stuff.  Dems see impeachable offenses. Republicans don't.

If no side will concede, the political apparatus of impeachment seems like a dead-end anyway.
Mitt Romney said he would impeach :)


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« Reply #41889 on: September 26, 2019, 04:30:30 PM »
It seems like people are watching two different movies on this Ukraine stuff.  Dems see impeachable offenses. Republicans don't.

If no side will concede, the political apparatus of impeachment seems like a dead-end anyway.
Mitt Romney said he would impeach :)

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« Reply #41891 on: September 26, 2019, 04:35:18 PM »
Impeachment won't succeed and that's the point. The impeachment inquiry is to show the American people the level of corruption and the dereliction of duty of this administration. When senate republicans cover for trump, Dems can hammer that cover on the campaign trail into 2020.
I honestly think people don't care at this point.  Impeachment overall is not a popular move.  It's a massive waste of resources. Nixon was the only President that left office due to impending proceedings. And the only reason he did was that he started losing support with Republicans.

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« Reply #41892 on: September 26, 2019, 04:37:29 PM »
It doesn't matter if it's popular or not, it's a matter of principle. If Trump isn't impeached (even if he isn't removed from office), then no President should ever be impeached again.
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« Reply #41893 on: September 26, 2019, 04:57:14 PM »
Impeachment won't succeed and that's the point. The impeachment inquiry is to show the American people the level of corruption and the dereliction of duty of this administration. When senate republicans cover for trump, Dems can hammer that cover on the campaign trail into 2020.
I honestly think people don't care at this point.  Impeachment overall is not a popular move.

https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1177319183987748869

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In close races, this could hurt Dems. Not every place is NYC/SF/LA/Seattle. 

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« Reply #41894 on: September 26, 2019, 04:57:29 PM »
It's impeachment or capitulation. Either you impeach the braindead corrupt nepotist fucker or you admit that American democracy has failed and that the president is basically a monarch.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| It sounds horrible to me.
« Reply #41895 on: September 26, 2019, 04:58:12 PM »
Impeachment won't succeed and that's the point. The impeachment inquiry is to show the American people the level of corruption and the dereliction of duty of this administration. When senate republicans cover for trump, Dems can hammer that cover on the campaign trail into 2020.

When it gets to the senate and then nothing happens, I will be shocked if the narrative amongst the general public doesn’t become “they tried to impeach him but couldn’t so he must be innocent”. I can’t be the only one who sees this ending badly for dems, even if I do want the impeachment proceedings to continue.

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« Reply #41896 on: September 26, 2019, 05:00:14 PM »
It might hurt Dems in some places, but not impeaching hurts Dems in more places.
And America.
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« Reply #41897 on: September 26, 2019, 05:03:25 PM »
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I bet when your coworkers ask you "how are things?" you start talking about climate change and invading brazil

Nah, I usually talk about doing your mom.
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« Reply #41898 on: September 26, 2019, 05:10:10 PM »
On principle it is the right choice. For politics time will only tell but I don't share the pessimism. I'd imagine they could "stall" inquiries up to the election and not sent the actual impeachment to Senate (though I think there's some value in having the Senate being forced to own this if they dismiss it), if you're worried about this. Let's be honest for a second who doesn't expect there's more shit to be uncovered every step of the way ?
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« Reply #41899 on: September 26, 2019, 05:12:17 PM »
Not even a like, shosta? There's just no pleasing you, unlike your mom.
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« Reply #41900 on: September 26, 2019, 05:27:44 PM »
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1177331046351851520

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« Reply #41901 on: September 26, 2019, 05:39:43 PM »
The thing about Trump's presidency is that it seems to make most of us numb and apathetic. The damage he has done will be lasting. I am somewhat surprised I am still able to feel anger and revulsion when seeing his stupid face.
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« Reply #41902 on: September 26, 2019, 06:10:20 PM »
Donald Trump is the reckoning of neo-liberalism
The chickens came home to roost.



The personification of the 'American Dream', the political commentator when you needed one,
the easily convinced donor for your political campaign and the TV clown to keep the masses occupied.

Little did the establishment suspect that in order to escape the inevitable pitchforks he knew would come after him,
he'd side with the very same neglected working classes they had ignored, belittled and humiliated for years.
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« Reply #41904 on: September 26, 2019, 06:31:38 PM »
It's a start, occam. We'll work on it.

He's doing his best

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« Reply #41905 on: September 26, 2019, 06:33:09 PM »
I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that the Cherokee did not eat Mayonnaise.

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« Reply #41906 on: September 26, 2019, 06:36:24 PM »
Not even a like, shosta? There's just no pleasing you, unlike your mom.

Filler likes you get from bad jokes, loving Nintendo, loving tulsi, loving Bernie, and thinly disguised nazism.

Shosta likes only come from centrist takes, discussing how sexy women with big cocks are, the filthy things you would do to him if he was wearing a wig, and evangelion.

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« Reply #41907 on: September 26, 2019, 06:38:00 PM »
I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that the Cherokee did not eat Mayonnaise.

picturing an 8 year old elizabeth warren, tearful in 2nd grade, hearing from her teacher debra about how aioli was served at the first thanksgiving,

Nobody in America knew what aioli was when she was a kid. She probably grew up on miracle whip.

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« Reply #41908 on: September 26, 2019, 06:40:05 PM »
Not even a like, shosta? There's just no pleasing you, unlike your mom.

Filler likes you get from bad jokes, loving Nintendo, loving tulsi, loving Bernie, and thinly disguised nazism.

Shosta likes only come from centrist takes, discussing how sexy women with big cocks are, the filthy things you would do to him if he was wearing a wig, and evangelion.
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« Reply #41909 on: September 26, 2019, 06:43:06 PM »
Impeachment won't succeed and that's the point. The impeachment inquiry is to show the American people the level of corruption and the dereliction of duty of this administration. When senate republicans cover for trump, Dems can hammer that cover on the campaign trail into 2020.
I honestly think people don't care at this point.  Impeachment overall is not a popular move.

https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1177319183987748869

:gurl

In close races, this could hurt Dems. Not every place is NYC/SF/LA/Seattle.

Democrats biggest problem electorally is that they rely too much on “not alienating republicans”.

It’s a fools game because there’s only like 5 things that people are universally united on.... and you can’t even get Democrats to campaign heavily on things that 80% of Americans support.

Meanwhile the Republicans are running around with platforms opposed by 70% of Americans and still managing to win because they turn out that 30%.

Democrats don’t give people a reason to even show up. They are basically Jeremy Corbin.

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« Reply #41910 on: September 26, 2019, 06:45:37 PM »
the follow up:  :lol :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/everequivocal/status/1175253010173161472

Oriental Beef Stir-Fry :rofl

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« Reply #41911 on: September 26, 2019, 06:45:49 PM »
honestly, he personifies my collection of stereotypical views of americans if they were to merge and gain a pulse
like, I can't imagine him being the leader of any country except america


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« Reply #41912 on: September 26, 2019, 07:05:58 PM »
After Bush(literally a cowboy with a fake Texan accent) we thought it couldn't get more American than Bush and then Donald Trump showed up.
Between Reagan, Clinton, Bush Jr. and Trump, as far as recent Presidents go, Obama and Bush Sr. were sort of outliers.

Trump may not be the epitome of the American Dream but he was presented as such to the audience by television networks.
A myth everyone was happy to keep in circulation until he became President. Trump was always presented as the dude who lived the American Dream.
Invited to TV shows with his latest wife or daughter to talk about smart investments, building a successful business or whatever he was into at that time.
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« Reply #41913 on: September 26, 2019, 07:11:35 PM »
honestly, he personifies my collection of stereotypical views of americans if they were to merge and gain a pulse
like, I can't imagine him being the leader of any country except america

Or Italy.  :hmm

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« Reply #41914 on: September 26, 2019, 07:13:57 PM »
honestly, he personifies my collection of stereotypical views of americans if they were to merge and gain a pulse
like, I can't imagine him being the leader of any country except america



There might be an argument for that, but that's not the same thing as the personification of the American Dream.

Sorry, but I'm not sure how I'm agreeing with Windex?


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« Reply #41916 on: September 26, 2019, 07:15:32 PM »
I was going to say in a world where berlusconi, BoJo, Netanyahu, and dude from Brazil, and a world where What’s her name came within spitting distance of President of France... there’s nothing all that unique about Trump.

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« Reply #41917 on: September 26, 2019, 07:17:54 PM »
You obviously do not understand the myth of the American Dream. Perhaps stick to the politics and mythology of your own country in this situation.
I know what the real American Dream is or rather supposed to be.
Class mobility and all that stuff. People coming from distant lands to build a new life and have a better future than their parents yadayda.

But that's not what the mainstream media sold for decades. They sold gold Trump skyscrapers and limousines.
If only you got a job, worked hard enough, made good deals and took care of yourself you could be Donald Trump and live the American Dream too.
The most apt description I read was that Americans had all convinced themselves they were millionaires going through a tough spot.

The Trump documentary on Netflix is actually called Trump: An American Dream.


I was going to say in a world where berlusconi, BoJo, Netanyahu, and dude from Brazil, and a world where What’s her name came within spitting distance of President of France... there’s nothing all that unique about Trump.
Macron is more French than Le Pen ever was. Macron might be the most arrogant French douche ever not named Sarkozy.
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« Reply #41918 on: September 26, 2019, 07:18:41 PM »
honestly, he personifies my collection of stereotypical views of americans if they were to merge and gain a pulse
like, I can't imagine him being the leader of any country except america

A lot of Latin American countries had leaders like him. Probably the only real thing different from them is that Trump incompetence gets mitigated by your institutions, at least for now.

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« Reply #41919 on: September 26, 2019, 07:20:19 PM »
Nintex, can you at least read the Wikipedia article of something before pretending to know what it is?
Yang fits the idealized version of the American Dream more than Trump by any stretch.

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« Reply #41920 on: September 26, 2019, 07:20:46 PM »
Once trump passes through. I hope collectively congress realizes that the President should have a lot less power.

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« Reply #41921 on: September 26, 2019, 07:27:08 PM »
Once trump passes through. I hope collectively congress realizes that the President should have a lot less power.

 “Narrator: They won’t. “

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« Reply #41922 on: September 26, 2019, 07:38:41 PM »
It doesn't matter if it's popular or not, it's a matter of principle. If Trump isn't impeached (even if he isn't removed from office), then no President should ever be impeached again.
It's impeachment or capitulation. Either you impeach the braindead corrupt nepotist fucker or you admit that American democracy has failed and that the president is basically a monarch.
The thing about Trump's presidency is that it seems to make most of us numb and apathetic. The damage he has done will be lasting. I am somewhat surprised I am still able to feel anger and revulsion when seeing his stupid face.
lol calm down

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| It sounds horrible to me.
« Reply #41923 on: September 26, 2019, 08:09:33 PM »
At least we’re not talking about bombing Iran anymore. The master at work.
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« Reply #41924 on: September 26, 2019, 08:33:59 PM »
They only work for American patriots.

They need iron dome (which coincidentally has NOTHING to do with getting head from somebody in an iron lung).

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« Reply #41925 on: September 26, 2019, 08:35:03 PM »
To be non-snarky and nice to Occam, I'm all in favor of Congress refinding its various powers that are checks, and I've long advocated for regular impeachment of the President including as I mention often impeaching Bush prior to both Iraq and even 9/11.

But for most people, including members of Congress, impeachment is associated not only with conviction but removal from office. Neither of these have ever happened to the President, at both trials the Senate majority wouldn't even convict. Many people do not think Bill Clinton was impeached because he was not removed, and even fewer know the actual charges he faced at the Senate trial.

As such, impeachment, of any kind, is seen as an extreme measure. It's a special weapon held in reserve not a regular check. Again, even to members of Congress. And there's basically no way that a Senate minority will be holding a trial of Trump in an election year. Democrats have been successfully pushing out the talking points about how impeachment is not the trial/conviction/removal to people who are Democratic shills but they're obviously leery of how that will go beyond that group. This is a huge reason why every President who has faced impeachment was a lame duck with an opposition Senate.

I'm totally on board with impeaching Trump (although I will admit for the record that this reason probably would not make my short list) but I can see all kinds of valid political reasons for the House to not even seriously try to report on the inquiry until 2021 at the earliest. And none of this really imperils the Republic when there's still a strong chance that Trump can simply just lose in 2020.

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« Reply #41926 on: September 26, 2019, 08:36:38 PM »

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« Reply #41927 on: September 26, 2019, 08:42:55 PM »
To be non-snarky and nice to Occam, I'm all in favor of Congress refinding its various powers that are checks, and I've long advocated for regular impeachment of the President including as I mention often impeaching Bush prior to both Iraq and even 9/11.

But for most people, including members of Congress, impeachment is associated not only with conviction but removal from office. Neither of these have ever happened to the President, at both trials the Senate majority wouldn't even convict. Many people do not think Bill Clinton was impeached because he was not removed, and even fewer know the actual charges he faced at the Senate trial.

As such, impeachment, of any kind, is seen as an extreme measure. It's a special weapon held in reserve not a regular check. Again, even to members of Congress. And there's basically no way that a Senate minority will be holding a trial of Trump in an election year. Democrats have been successfully pushing out the talking points about how impeachment is not the trial/conviction/removal to people who are Democratic shills but they're obviously leery of how that will go beyond that group. This is a huge reason why every President who has faced impeachment was a lame duck with an opposition Senate.

I'm totally on board with impeaching Trump (although I will admit for the record that this reason probably would not make my short list) but I can see all kinds of valid political reasons for the House to not even seriously try to report on the inquiry until 2021 at the earliest. And none of this really imperils the Republic when there's still a strong chance that Trump can simply just lose in 2020.

For political reasons, I can totally see Democrats sort of slow walking it so they are having a ton of revelations come out after say feb or March next year. Even knowing that this will go nowhere. There is no surer thing in politics than seeing that Trump has dirty laundry and is surrounded by fools and sycophants.

Making Republicans squirm and make excuses for it for 9 months is probably a pretty good strategy.

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« Reply #41928 on: September 26, 2019, 08:46:49 PM »
I was watching Koyaanisqatsi, and there’s a brief shot of Lou Dobbs in it. I only bring this up because fuck Lou Dobbs.
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« Reply #41929 on: September 26, 2019, 08:49:59 PM »
For political reasons, I can totally see Democrats sort of slow walking it so they are having a ton of revelations come out after say feb or March next year.
No good, February and March are the start of the primaries. Kamala's going to want all the attention on her huge victories.

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« Reply #41930 on: September 26, 2019, 08:50:16 PM »
I was watching Koyaanisqatsi, and there’s a brief shot of Lou Dobbs in it. I only bring this up because fuck Lou Dobbs.

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« Reply #41931 on: September 26, 2019, 09:17:54 PM »
Give me the TR:DL. Did Trump fuck anybody this time?

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« Reply #41932 on: September 26, 2019, 09:18:13 PM »
https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/598879/

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“It is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and I’m not. And I will be the hero! These morons—when this is over, I will be the hero,” Giuliani told me.

“I’m not acting as a lawyer. I’m acting as someone who has devoted most of his life to straightening out government,” he continued, sounding out of breath. “Anything I did should be praised.”

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« Reply #41933 on: September 26, 2019, 09:56:21 PM »
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“If they were so concerned about my activities, why did they ask for my help? Why did they send me a bunch of friendly text messages reaching out for my help, thanking me for my help?” Giuliani said he planned to make sure these “friendly text messages” came out “in a longer story.”

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Giuliani has no intention, however, of slowing the smear campaign. “If this guy is a whistle-blower, then I’m a whistle-blower too,” Giuliani said. “You should be happy for your country that I uncovered this.”

Well, I guess we know where some of the leaks originate.

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« Reply #41935 on: September 26, 2019, 10:19:08 PM »
Is there a new story out?

Giuliani is going out fucking Michael Cohen style. Damn!

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« Reply #41936 on: September 26, 2019, 10:25:12 PM »
Problem:
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Democratic donors on Wall Street and in big business are preparing to sit out the presidential campaign fundraising cycle — or even back President Donald Trump — if Sen. Elizabeth Warren wins the party’s nomination.

In recent weeks, CNBC spoke to several high-dollar Democratic donors and fundraisers in the business community and found that this opinion was becoming widely shared as Warren, an outspoken critic of big banks and corporations, gains momentum against Joe Biden in the 2020 race.

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Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday.
#UniterNotADivider #MoreLikeChillary

benjipwns

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| It sounds horrible to me.
« Reply #41937 on: September 26, 2019, 10:29:33 PM »
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https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1176988004445036546
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ABC credited its scoop to Serhiy Leshchenko, a former member of Ukraine's parliament and former adviser to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky. Leshchenko now disputes the story, denying he told ABC News that discussion of a potential probe into the Biden family's business activity in the country was a precondition for communication with Trump.

ABC quoted Leshchenko as saying, "it was a clear fact that Trump wants to meet only if Biden case will be included." According to ABC, he added that the Biden case was "raised many times" and "Ukrainian officials understood."

Leshchenko rejected the ABC story just hours after it was published, telling Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty's Christopher Miller that he "DID NOT tell ABC insistence for leaders to discuss Biden probe was precondition for call." Leshchenko also spoke to BBC's Jonah Fisher, who added that the former Ukrainian official learned of "quid pro quo" rumors "only from media reports."

Though Leshchenko advised the Zelensky administration through its post-election transition, the administration distanced itself from Leshchenko as early as May. He was not advising Zelensky during the July 25 call between Zelensky and Trump.
Other than that, the story was possibly accurate.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| It sounds horrible to me.
« Reply #41938 on: September 26, 2019, 10:32:56 PM »
Is there a new story out?

Giuliani is going out fucking Michael Cohen style. Damn!

The atlantic asked him questions and appears to have gone, no you! breakdown.

benjipwns

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| It sounds horrible to me.
« Reply #41939 on: September 26, 2019, 10:34:09 PM »
filler come get your girl: