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House Democrats be like

Unemployment benefits  :nope
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Healthcare  :nope
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Secure and fair elections :nope
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they already passed bills with unemployment benefits and an eviction moratorium

those went to die in the senate just like this will



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they already passed bills with unemployment benefits and an eviction moratorium

those went to die in the senate just like this will

Read the fine print of that fraud, they tried to fund COBRA
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covering the COBRA premium costs

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what does cobra have to do with ui and evictions

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what does cobra have to do with ui and evictions
exactly  :bernie
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/31/books/review/donald-trump-v-the-united-states-michael-s-schmidt.html

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McGahn, a staunch libertarian, was frequently in over his head with the lawless president he nicknamed “King Kong,” and he struggled with his highly unusual extended contact with Mueller’s team. Still, despite getting close to resigning, McGahn stuck around far longer than his apparent misery and frequent attempts at principled stands would suggest, largely because of his judicial project’s success. It was only after Trump granted a woman clemency at Kim Kardashian’s request that McGahn knew he truly had to leave the White House. He could no longer abide the accumulation of Trump’s actions.

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100% if being American is an underlying condition. 

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https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1299489990800412673

He looks so lit up in this walk to the podium.

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My roomate's brother posted the "94% had underlying conditions anyway" thing to Facebook, despite the fact he's paraplegic.

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It took Trump less than 10 minutes with reporters to sink his campaign again  :dead
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/opinion/watergate-republican-party.html

I always fell for the bipartisanship of Watergate. Reading closer reveals the opposite.

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A huge swath of GOP elites thought that they should have. Rather than seeing Nixon as a sinner, they thought he had been sinned against. William Simon, Nixon’s treasury secretary, wrote in a 1978 book called “A Time for Truth” that what Nixon had done was “a trivial matter” and his resignation was an “incredible political calamity that had struck the nation.” Alexander Haig, Nixon’s chief of staff and later Ronald Reagan’s secretary of state, felt the whole thing was illegitimate because the Democrats had been “out to jail everybody” for partisan gain. According to Nixon speechwriter and eventual presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan, “Watergate was a coup d’état that overturned the largest landslide in American history and destroyed a president who had humiliated the liberal establishment.”

Things had gone terribly wrong, they felt, because of this liberal establishment. The liberal media, liberal professors, and liberal judges had knifed Nixon. The liberal influence was so powerful that the GOP couldn’t even trust its own judges. Five of the justices in U.S. v. Nixon had been appointed by Republican presidents. Three of those had been chosen by Nixon himself! The liberal establishment, Simon wrote, was “a new despotism” that was “as stubborn and ruthless a ruling elite as any in history.”

Their response, GOP elites believed, should be to fulfill the vision of Nixon himself.

Trump and his aides attacking the "liberal media" really isn't as unprecedented as its been claimed.

For the longest I always surmised this started around Reagan but this Republican cultism seems to have came about far, far earlier.
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At the beginning of Nixon’s second term in 1973, he told his chief of staff H.R. Haldeman that they needed to create “a new establishment.” This would first involve creating “our own news,” which would engage in “a brutal, vicious attack on the opposition.” The Nixon administration asked outside supporters to “buy a television network.” TV was perfect, according to an earlier White House memo titled “A Plan for Putting the GOP on TV News.” Why? Because “People are lazy. With television you just sit — watch — listen. The thinking is done for you.” Roger Ailes, then an outside adviser to the Nixon administration, responded that this concept was an “excellent idea” that “should be expanded.”

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62911 on: September 01, 2020, 12:54:43 AM »
https://twitter.com/aegallo/status/1300177085676298244

this guy is such a fucking clown. let it be known this isn't playing well, even among the right in LA...gives me some small hope for November. 

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62912 on: September 01, 2020, 01:55:13 AM »
For the longest I always surmised this started around Reagan but this Republican cultism seems to have came about far, far earlier.
This pretty much started during the Washington Administration*:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazette_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Gazette
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The Gazette is unique among early American partisan newspapers for being substantially supported by a major player within a sitting Administration (then Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson) while simultaneously attacking that Administration's own policies. Jefferson enticed Freneau to come to Philadelphia to edit the Gazette by hiring him as a translator at the United States Department of State for an annual salary of $250. Federalist writers, including Alexander Hamilton, attacked this as a conflict of interest. Hamilton and other Federalists also financially supported their own partisan newspaper, the Gazette of the United States, although their publication did not attack Washington and his policies, but praised them effusively.

*okay, it started before then too but that was a different form of government!

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« Reply #62913 on: September 01, 2020, 02:03:03 AM »
It is Ben Shapiro's opinion that journalism should return to partisan in-fighting as expressed here.

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/right-wing-media-breitbart-fox-bannon-carlson-hannity-coulter-trump.php

Maybe reading more about the Gazette could give a sample of what that would be like.
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« Reply #62914 on: September 01, 2020, 02:14:46 AM »
a "professional" and "objective" journalism is a relatively recent development in the history of journalism, it was the limitation of the radio/TV airwaves to two/three/four channels, rise of syndicates and the increasing academic schooling that led to this theory of journalism versus the traditional, very partisan and very biased, model

the breakup of the radio/TV limitation though increased channels, then cable, and then eventually the internet rendered the whole thing kind of passe as people seem to prefer a journalism that tells them what they like to hear or at least what they think they would like to hear

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« Reply #62915 on: September 01, 2020, 02:15:25 AM »
Maybe reading more about the Gazette could give a sample of what that would be like.
This clip from the HBO series "John Adams" uses actual quotes from the newspapers of the time:


Similarly, a old Reason video using actual quotes of the time (including one of the same ones) as if they were modern attack ads:

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« Reply #62916 on: September 01, 2020, 02:16:42 AM »
I do think Shapiro is correct in that presenting journalism as "fair and balanced" when you have obvious biases whether against the right or especially the left is a pretty bad business model and ultimately doesn't appeal to the common denominator.
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« Reply #62917 on: September 01, 2020, 02:32:05 AM »
I think the primary bias in journalism is simply what is chosen to be covered or not covered and how much. And that's one you can't get rid of because the amount of space is generally limited in some way. And it doesn't split neatly down any kind of ideological lines as much as what draws people's attention. Even an upfront ideological bias like Fox News all but admits to still depends on what they choose to cover, they can be anti-immigration for example but only run one story a hour because it's a big event or it "bleeds so it leads." Or they can run a thousand stories a day about every immigration thing they come across*. That shapes and influences their readers probably even more than the anti-immigration stance does, which I imagine has more to do with why the consumers choose that outlet in the first place, mostly by giving the impression of the topic being immediate or important.

edit: Actually, let me take another stab at that last point. With the BLM protests, you can paint them as riots and still show them only when someone gets killed for example. Or you can paint them as riots and lead off every broadcast* with thousands of images culled from months of footage and play up every little thing as the hordes are literally outside this second*. Ideologically, the bias splits mostly the same, against the protests and regarding them as riots. But the bias in the selection of coverage is drastically different and if it's all we cover, no matter how we cover them, people will assume an intensity in the story that it may not warrant. Compared to if we covered it and nine other things happening at the same time. Even if we distorted it ideologically to an even greater extent*.

I do agree with people who suggest that maybe there's more time in our bubbles these days, but I think one factor is simply there's more "news" in general available. Live global coverage of events dates back roughly 25 years or slightly more. Something like Twitter is just over a decade old and mainstream only in the last five years or so.

50 years ago if these protests were happening there would be a few sources that you could turn to. Now I can watch them in real time streaming on the internet from a source. Then watch replays of every night for days from multiple sources if I want to. Then watch random YouTubers try to explain and break down events. And I'll still not be able to get to 50% of the sources on these. It's even worse if I'm trying to follow an event in another part of the world in another language.

I've gone far afield of your original point, Cindi, but to come back to it, I think it's maybe less that we're seeing a more partisan media and instead a more democratic media, it's not a professional elite necessarily anymore, even within partisan or ideological bubbles. I can totally and completely ignore Ben Shapiro and still have hundreds of similar conservative sources if I want the same message he puts out. Same goes for any other kind of coverage almost. When we had three TV stations, a local newspaper and a couple national newspapers and news magazines, there wasn't that.

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« Reply #62918 on: September 01, 2020, 02:37:00 AM »
Fair observation.
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« Reply #62919 on: September 01, 2020, 02:54:26 AM »
https://www.ajc.com/politics/judge-extends-georgia-deadline-to-return-absentee-ballots/OEETBUYMWJASHCW3YMVCKTPPYI/
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A federal judge on Monday extended the deadline for absentee ballots to be returned in Georgia, ruling that they must be counted if postmarked by Election Day and delivered up to three days afterward.

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The ruling invalidates Georgia’s requirement that ballots had to be received at county election offices by 7 p.m. on Election Day.

U.S. District Judge Eleanor Ross wrote that voters must be protected during the coronavirus pandemic, when record numbers of Georgians are expected to cast absentee ballots.

“Extending the deadline would ensure that voters who receive their ballots shortly before Election Day are able to mail their ballots without fear that their vote will not count,” Ross wrote in her 70-page order.

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« Reply #62920 on: September 01, 2020, 03:58:59 AM »
During the month of August, Biden doubled what Trump spent, dropping about $80 million in states that included key battlegrounds such as Wisconsin, Florida, Pennsylvania and Michigan, according to data from the ad tracking firm Kantar/CMAG.

Trump’s limited spending targeted some of those states, but it was also directed to places like Iowa and Montana, which he won handily in 2016. This week he is spending about $1.6 million to Biden’s $18.3 million. Most of Trump’s ads are placed on Fox News Channel and CNN, as well as a smattering that will run in New Mexico and Washington, D.C., the data shows.

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« Last Edit: September 01, 2020, 05:17:31 AM by Nintex »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62922 on: September 01, 2020, 07:02:23 AM »
trump out their accidentally talking about his own planes, and blond lady trying to save trump :neogaf

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62923 on: September 01, 2020, 10:02:53 AM »
Massachusetts primary day. Here's hoping for Alex Morse.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62925 on: September 01, 2020, 11:28:21 AM »
Good, I'm tired of my villagers having unofficial Joe Biden campaign signs.
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« Reply #62926 on: September 01, 2020, 12:30:41 PM »
trump out their accidentally talking about his own planes, and blond lady trying to save trump :neogaf
Blond lady trying to save Trump is the perfect summary of his administration.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62927 on: September 01, 2020, 12:41:44 PM »
Apparently Trump's plane story is something he saw on Facebook. :dead
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« Reply #62928 on: September 01, 2020, 12:47:31 PM »
Did anyone catch his latest 'disaster relief'

https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1299817691197435906

POTUS tells you to sell his autograph for 10k on Ebay,
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« Reply #62929 on: September 01, 2020, 01:01:04 PM »
2020 election is down to one message on the ballot: who do you trust more to keep you safe? The election (absence electoral fraud) will be decided between that issue. Whether fiscal safety (rent/jobs), physical safety (covid/protests), or mental safety. Whoever portrays himself as the one to nurture, the one to hold your hand down these frightening times' endless tunnel, that man will become President in January 2021.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62931 on: September 01, 2020, 01:43:47 PM »
I love how in those two Fox News interview tweets the interviewer is trying to help him not shoot his own foot.

"that sounds like conspiracy theories..."

"you're not comparing it golf of course..."

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« Reply #62932 on: September 01, 2020, 01:49:55 PM »
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« Reply #62933 on: September 01, 2020, 02:50:20 PM »
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« Reply #62934 on: September 01, 2020, 02:55:15 PM »
2020 election is down to one message on the ballot: who do you trust more to keep you safe? The election (absence electoral fraud) will be decided between that issue. Whether fiscal safety (rent/jobs), physical safety (covid/protests), or mental safety. Whoever portrays himself as the one to nurture, the one to hold your hand down these frightening times' endless tunnel, that man will become President in January 2021.
white fear most likely will decide the election  :cac nothing new  :neogaf the whites cannot be trusted to fear their own more than they fear the blacks and the browns  :trumps
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« Reply #62935 on: September 01, 2020, 03:24:37 PM »
Star Trek but also politics and topical. Bell Riots are to happen 4 years to this day.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Bell_Riots?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
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« Reply #62936 on: September 01, 2020, 03:38:13 PM »
2020 election is down to one message on the ballot: who do you trust more to keep you safe? The election (absence electoral fraud) will be decided between that issue. Whether fiscal safety (rent/jobs), physical safety (covid/protests), or mental safety. Whoever portrays himself as the one to nurture, the one to hold your hand down these frightening times' endless tunnel, that man will become President in January 2021.
white fear most likely will decide the election  :cac nothing new  :neogaf the whites cannot be trusted to fear their own more than they fear the blacks and the browns  :trumps
For better, for worse. Donald Trump will decide the election.
I don't think there's anything Biden can do to influence the outcome either way
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62937 on: September 01, 2020, 04:04:40 PM »
ANTIFA LLC or ANTIFFA INC?


You posted the wrong tweet, this one is amazing


https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1300797635490721794

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62938 on: September 01, 2020, 04:26:22 PM »
Who would win: 100 shadowy thugz on a plane or one smol liberatarian boi with a leaf blower?
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train (UP: Alive on Twitter and in our hearts!)
« Reply #62939 on: September 01, 2020, 04:41:43 PM »
Is this the new Pizzagate? How deep does this rabbit hole go?