Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[Tektonic]

All anybody has to do to prove that the left is going to lose again, like they are doing now - has to watch the Vietnam War (The Kent State episode), read the book about Kent State, watch Hypernormalization (the first 30 mins) and then read up about what Julian Bond did to the Civil Rights movement in the 70's.

Its happening again and Regan got elected on the same "Populist" (Evangelical) wave. History is rhyming again with Trump.

please do the bolded... not sure about the rest

[Novid]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/#post-240695

Call me insensitive but im pretty sure im more concerned with the resent trend of terror attacks in Europe(including the town where i live) from a certain ideology than some Goobergate losers that are mean on the internet.

I think honestly goobergate has no power. Yeah terrorism, economy, income inequality and police violence and crime organized and petty are all more important than mean tweets. Didn't even mention saving the planet.

Of course "GG" had no power. Helldump and the Dirtbag left USED it a catchall phrase of fear to continue a corrupt gravy train from Tor's bullshit to How Paetron was made and used bullshit, and putting all of those in those two sub-groups of progressives in the catbird seat of Hollywood and beltway journalism and its promotion and praise, thinking they were going to be how millenial sub culture was going to be seen the next 15 years.

The mainstream liberal old guard got it so wrong that those working with Helldump/DBL are about to split the nation apart at the seems, rather than to admit that helldump/DBL are just 3 words removed from being called the racists they claim to hate and the Nazi's they wish to punch.

I don't think Gamergate being to the left of the possible system then change in the direction of gamers that didn't more than attack the political status quo with the EA conspiracy that that enveloped the whole gaming world. Then Ubisolt joined that secret that didn't allow the difference of anything possible there. Of course it wasn't.

 

[benjipwns]

read the book about Kent State

which one?

[Occam]

Sad. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1456461

[Novid]

So Morrigan's argument is that because Quiet is sexed up that Kojima has no respect for women?

To be absolutely fair, Kojima takes the over-sexualization to absurd levels even before Quiet. Just look up some of the shit in Policenauts.

Your kinda overthinking this one.

[Novid]

read the book about Kent State

which one?

https://www.amazon.com/67-Shots-State-American-Innocence/dp/0306823799/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1509361196&sr=1-2&keywords=kent+state

[Bore Expert]

That red label ban message is real? Jee wiz, I’ll try and fix my inappropriate posting habits right after I fucking die laughing.


🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[H.I.V.E.]

Fuck I liked a novid post 

Man now I got another mod on my case and apparently he reads this thread and doesn't like what is being posted 

[Optimus]

So Morrigan's argument is that because Quiet is sexed up that Kojima has no respect for women?

To be absolutely fair, Kojima takes the over-sexualization to absurd levels even before Quiet. Just look up some of the shit in Policenauts.

Who gives  shit, plus he does that to both male and female characters. Sex sells because it's entertaining, why the fuck are people so bother by that?

[Rufus]

So Morrigan's argument is that because Quiet is sexed up that Kojima has no respect for women?

To be absolutely fair, Kojima takes the over-sexualization to absurd levels even before Quiet. Just look up some of the shit in Policenauts.

Who gives  shit, plus he does that to both male and female characters. Sex sells because it's entertaining, why the fuck are people so bother by that?

Why does it annoy you that people are bothered by it?

[benjipwns]

] Of his general political outlook, Curtis has also remarked:

“   People often accuse me of being a lefty. That's complete rubbish. If you look at The Century of the Self, what I'm arguing is something very close to a neoconservative position because I'm saying that, with the rise of individualism, you tend to get the corrosion of the other idea of social bonds and communal networks, because everyone is on their own. Well, that's what the neoconservatives argue, domestically. [...] If you ask me what my politics are, I'm very much a creature of my time. I don't really have any. I change my mind over different issues, but I am much more fond of a libertarian view. I have a more libertarian tendency [...] What's astonishing in our time is how the Left here has completely failed to come up with any alternatives, and I think you may well see a lefty libertarianism emerging because people will be much more sympathetic to it, or just a libertarianism, and out of that will come ideas. And I don't mean "localism"

maybe he should read Radicals for Capitalism instead of making elaborate goofy nine part documentaries

[Bore Expert]

Fuck I liked a novid post 

Man now I got another mod on my case and apparently he reads this thread and doesn't like what is being posted 

Does that include shower privileges? Be safe.

[Snoopycat_]

lol just read that Morrigan thread, the bitchiness was palpable in that thread, jesus christ. Hey, where's Himu to tell us how resetera is not neogaf?

Btw remember these usernames Audioboxer and BossAttack. Let's see how long they'll last.

I remember Audioboxer taking a 3 line post I made on Gaf and turning it into a 4 paragraph blog, then getting pissy when others called him a pretentious twat.

[Momo]

So Morrigan's argument is that because Quiet is sexed up that Kojima has no respect for women?

To be absolutely fair, Kojima takes the over-sexualization to absurd levels even before Quiet. Just look up some of the shit in Policenauts.

Your kinda overthinking this one.

Policenauts has a fuckton of sexualization, basically whenever a woman is onscreen the internal PUA in JI pops up lmao.  Now that I've attested to it's presence in game, let me state I dont necessarily find it to be an issue (in fact I laughed quite a bit at it).

[Optimus]

So Morrigan's argument is that because Quiet is sexed up that Kojima has no respect for women?

To be absolutely fair, Kojima takes the over-sexualization to absurd levels even before Quiet. Just look up some of the shit in Policenauts.

Who gives  shit, plus he does that to both male and female characters. Sex sells because it's entertaining, why the fuck are people so bother by that?

Why does it annoy you that people are bothered by it?

Because they're trying to force developers to self-censor themselves. Because puritans disguising themselves as "progressive" are pissing me off and ruining the reputation of the left.  Because puritanical self-righteous whining about sex was annoying in the 90's when Christian fundamentalists did it and it's annoying now feminists and other similar morons do it.

[Novid]

So Morrigan's argument is that because Quiet is sexed up that Kojima has no respect for women?

To be absolutely fair, Kojima takes the over-sexualization to absurd levels even before Quiet. Just look up some of the shit in Policenauts.

Who gives  shit, plus he does that to both male and female characters. Sex sells because it's entertaining, why the fuck are people so bother by that?

Why does it annoy you that people are bothered by it?

Because they're trying to force developers to self-censor themselves. Because puritans disguising themselves as "progressive" are pissing me off and ruining the reputation of the left.  Because puritanical self-righteous whining about sex was annoying in the 90's when Christian fundamentalists did it and it's annoying now feminists and other similar morons do it.

What if i told you these puritans disguising themselves as "progressive" are the children of the same Christian Fundamentalists?

[benjipwns]

The 90's? The 1980's had this wonderful disaster:

LOCAL NEWS STORY ON NEW EPIDEMIC:

09rja
2 months ago
I had to lol @ 10:08. Bill reading Motley Crue lyrics.

[benjipwns]

I love that Crossfire with Zappa, there's a part where the anti-music dude is ranting and raving and Zappa's just sitting there calmly responding and they accidentally get a shot of Bob Novak and he's got this big ol shit-eating grin like "oh yeah we totally nailed the guests this week" before he realizes he's on camera.

[dridru]

Because they're trying to force developers to self-censor themselves. Because puritans disguising themselves as "progressive" are pissing me off and ruining the reputation of the left.  Because puritanical self-righteous whining about sex was annoying in the 90's when Christian fundamentalists did it and it's annoying now feminists and other similar morons do it.

Criticism on some aspects of games when it comes to sexism is valid. I don't need my military shooter to have girls in tight outfits when that doesn't fit the setting. To say "ehm, dudes, why is that here?" isn't so bad. However, I don't want the social media outrage campaigns over it in trying to shame publishers from having any sexual content in their games. The world is filled with sex, we like looking at pretty people, especially in entertainment, so why not in games. We also don't go around telling the hot popstar of the moment to tune down their music videos.

[OathToOrder]

Can't say I'm even bothered by it. I like most of the dude's games and i play them all the time but you call a spade a spade, Kojima is a creepy weirdo when it comes to women. How is that in anyway controversial unless you're overprotective of how people perceive videogames you like?

He also sexualizes men. You just don't notice it because you're (presumably) heterosexual.

I'm not gay btw, just want to make clear.

[benjipwns]

I forget if it's Dee Snider or Zappa during those hearings and I'm not going to look for it but there's a part where they're trying to explain to some Senator what a metaphor is and the Senator is all like "just sounds like a bunch of garbage to me!"

[OathToOrder]

Yeah that whole debacle is legendary. You just know that the politicians are expecting Dee and others to be a bunch of stupid metalheads and he completely goes to town on them.

Absolutely BASED.

<3 Dee Snider's House of Hair

[OathToOrder]

[Snoopycat_]

[benjipwns]

In 1985, Joe Stuessy testified to the United States Congress at the Parents Music Resource Center hearings that:

The message [of a piece of heavy metal music] may also be covert or subliminal. Sometimes subaudible tracks are mixed in underneath other, louder tracks. These are heard by the subconscious but not the conscious mind. Sometimes the messages are audible but are backward, called backmasking. There is disagreement among experts regarding the effectiveness of subliminals. We need more research on that.

Stuessy's written testimony stated that:

Some messages are presented to the listener backwards. While listening to a normal forward message (often somewhat nonsensical), one is simultaneously being treated to a backwards message (in other words, the lyric sounds like one set of words going forward, and a different set of words going backwards). Some experts believe that while the conscious mind is absorbing the forward lyric, the subconscious is working overtime to decipher the backwards message

gamergate probably learned from this

[VomKriege]

With regards to Policenauts (which BTW doesn't actually objectify men in the same way even as a token joke AFAIK.), I'll repost this link that I read some days ago. Trigger warning to delicate sensibilities it's probably written by a "Social Studies Warrior" () but regardless all of the description of the stuff in the game is factually correct and believe it or not isn't exhaustive. You can also watch the Super Best Friends LP to see the rest and if you have some interest in the game.

http://ettugamer.com/2014/04/05/policenauts/

I'm not in a fit of rage about it or anything but if it was any more explicit and blatant Kojima would be doing straight up porn. The sort with quasi incest premises.

[LurkinMerkin]

Holy fuck, he invoked Willie Horton. Also, fuck you all for reminding me of being old.

[Kurt Russell]

Fuck I liked a novid post 

Man now I got another mod on my case and apparently he reads this thread and doesn't like what is being posted 

Catching up.....

Which site does he mod? The dead one, or the communist pedo one?

[Optimus]

I'm starting think that the main reason I'm so vehemently against SJ Ws is not because of what they stand for but mainly because of what they pretend to represent. I've been watching these vids benji posted and my reaction is basically "lol conservative morons". If it was SJ Ws saying basically the same shit but with grandiose buzzwords and their usual self-righteousness I'd be annoyed.  It's because they pretend to represent the left what mainly annoys me so much. The fact that they're so fucking pretentious doesn't help either.

[VomKriege]

Fuck I liked a novid post 

Man now I got another mod on my case and apparently he reads this thread and doesn't like what is being posted 

Catching up.....

Which site does he mod? The dead one, or the communist pedo one?

TheBore : helping mods do their jobs for many years ! 
Sign up to our snitch program to collect e-cred points !

[OathToOrder]

Yeah, I know. I've been reading these threads for a long time. I really don't see a need for debate either way because the reasons are very simple. Sex sells and it sells well to the main demographics of gamers, which are males aged 18-45.

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lttp-mgsv-quiet%E2%80%99s-depiction-is-making-me-very-uncomfortable.2163/page-6#post-231592

Just cover your eyes, OP. The sexy woman will go away.

The user was warned for this post. We cannot allow users to be abusive or to "troll" other users. This does not follow our rules.

Also saw a warning for "drive by posting" (A guy joking "Fake News" in a Mueller investigation thread). I understand why there's so many mods now because they will be super busy if they think they will hunt every instance of "low quality posting" in a forum of many thousands.

[Para-Medic]

With regards to Policenauts (which BTW doesn't actually objectify men in the same way even as a token joke AFAIK.), I'll repost this link that I read some days ago. Trigger warning to delicate sensibilities it's probably written by a "Social Studies Warrior" () but regardless all of the description of the stuff in the game is factually correct and believe it or not isn't exhaustive. You can also watch the Super Best Friends LP to see the rest and if you have some interest in the game.

http://ettugamer.com/2014/04/05/policenauts/

I'm not in a fit of rage about it or anything but if it was any more explicit and blatant Kojima would be doing straight up porn. The sort with quasi incest premises.

"Look at that ass. I would eat anything off that ass."

MY MAN. 

I mean I do see why a lot of it is considered offensive, but to me it just reminds me of all the tropey stuff from 90's Japan entertainment. And I love that stuff. This is my internal debate. I feel like I'm part of the problem because others say this stuff is offensive, but I don't want to give stuff like this up either. 

I guess the real problem is that I don't know how to properly articulate and make the case that I fully support progressive choices and narrative in gaming but at the same time I absolutely still want to see and enjoy the bottom barrel shit like Senran Kagura without being labeled some sex fiend or misogynist.

Confusing times we live in. 

[Positive Touch]

you can be attracted to offensive shit and still call it offensive while jacking it

[bork]

i've had gaf bookmarked for probably over a decade

replaced it with resetera just now

game done changed

Yup, GAF is done.  Although I have to say, I've barely browsed ResetEra this past week.  Just don't care anymore.  The forum seems fine and all, but it's just...eh. 

[VomKriege]

It’s just so weird

This woman decides to go on a road trip with Evilore...get drunk and stay in the same hotel room...he didn’t touch her once...

I think every guy would have made the same mistake he did

From all the information out there, I'm going to speculate that she was cheating on her boyfriend with Evilore. What kind of a guy would let his gf take a road trip with another dude, knowing there would be drinking, partying involved? It's not surprising her and her man broke up shortly after.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=252928113

GAFfe : Trolls speak to trolls.

[dridru]

With regards to Policenauts (which BTW doesn't actually objectify men in the same way even as a token joke AFAIK.), I'll repost this link that I read some days ago. Trigger warning to delicate sensibilities it's probably written by a "Social Studies Warrior" () but regardless all of the description of the stuff in the game is factually correct and believe it or not isn't exhaustive. You can also watch the Super Best Friends LP to see the rest and if you have some interest in the game.

http://ettugamer.com/2014/04/05/policenauts/

I'm not in a fit of rage about it or anything but if it was any more explicit and blatant Kojima would be doing straight up porn. The sort with quasi incest premises.

"Look at that ass. I would eat anything off that ass."

MY MAN. 

I mean I do see why a lot of it is considered offensive, but to me it just reminds me of all the tropey stuff from 90's Japan entertainment. And I love that stuff. This is my internal debate. I feel like I'm part of the problem because others say this stuff is offensive, but I don't want to give stuff like this up either. 

I guess the real problem is that I don't know how to properly articulate and make the case that I fully support progressive choices and narrative in gaming but at the same time I absolutely still want to see and enjoy the bottom barrel shit like Senran Kagura without being labeled some sex fiend or misogynist.

Confusing times we live in. 

Should be enough space for both. Every kind of media, from books to music and movies, has room for both serious content and the more B-movie like stuff. If people are against having that in games, they should also take a stance against those romance/porn novels selling millions on Amazon. The issue should be sexism without any reason in an otherwise serious game, not any sex or sexism in a game.

It’s just so weird

This woman decides to go on a road trip with Evilore...get drunk and stay in the same hotel room...he didn’t touch her once...

I think every guy would have made the same mistake he did

From all the information out there, I'm going to speculate that she was cheating on her boyfriend with Evilore. What kind of a guy would let his gf take a road trip with another dude, knowing there would be drinking, partying involved? It's not surprising her and her man broke up shortly after.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=252928113

GAFfe : Trolls speak to trolls.

I don't get their argument. What kind of man would allow that? That is between the girl and the boyfriend. I wouldn't be OK with that also, but that doesn't mean you get a free pass to enter someones shower.

[Dennis]

I am tempted to post a Hot Woman thread on ResetEra. But

1. It would just get locked immediately.

2. It would  a lot of people.

Late-stage GAF took a real turn towards sex-negativity and I unfortunately don't see ResetEra being any different in that regard.

[VomKriege]

I don't get their argument. What kind of man would allow that? That is between the girl and the boyfriend. I wouldn't be OK with that also, but that doesn't mean you get a free pass to enter someones shower.

I think the argument really just is "bitch be lyin'".
Also not to be all woke and shit but I'm not sure I follow the argument that a partner is guaranteed to be cheating if she's partying and sharing an hotel room (separate beds are a common thing) with someone that happens to belong to the gender he/she is attracted to.

Anyway as you said none of that speculation seems very useful or even pertinent to the point.

[benjipwns]

found the article i was thinking of summarizing the affair: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/big-brother-meets-twisted-sister-19851107

Senator Hollings began the proceedings by noting that the only redeeming social value he detected in "porn rock," as he called it, was that its words are "inaudible." "It's outrageous filth," he went on, "and we've got to do something about it…. If I could find some way constitutionally to do away with it, I would." He said he had asked "the best constitutional minds" around to see if the stuff could be legally outlawed.

"The framers of the First Amendment never considered broadcast airwaves that could pipe this stuff willy-nilly into homes," Hollings said.

Senator Paul Trible (R-Virginia) said the hearing "may be the most important hearing this committee conducts." The issue at hand was not prohibition of rock music, he said. It was "moral suasion," as applied to record companies.

Senator Gore asked that it be noted for the record that every record-company president asked by the committee to testify had declined. He also said his wife's involvement in the PMRC had "given me an education" in raunchy rock lyrics.

Senator Paula Hawkins (R-Florida), who is not a member of the committee, gave a "porn rock" presentation. She showed portions of two rock videos: Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" and Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It." Then, smiling stiffly for the TV cameras, she held up a copy of W.A.S.P.'s Animal (F**k Like a Beast).

After the cheers from the punkers died down in the rear, and after Danforth banged his gavel, Hawkins' smile faded. "We will give each senator a copy of the lyrics," she said softly, "if they will promise not to distribute them beyond their own possession."

That was the cue for Jeff Ling to crank up his slide projector. On the screen flashed various album covers by Twisted Sister, AC/DC, Mötley Crüe, W.A.S.P., the Mentors, Prince, the Rolling Stones, Kiss, Morris Day and the Time, Bitch, Abbator, Impaler and Piledriver. Ling read the groups' lyrics aloud in a hard, fast, staccato voice, often reciting so hastily that he began to gasp for breath. He built to a crescendo for the climax of the presentation — the Mentors' "Golden Showers," from "anal vapors" to "shit towers."

The senators tugged at their ties. The rockers giggled in the rear. Danforth pounded with his gavel, shouting to Ling that his time had expired. Ling smiled and sat down. Danforth thanked the PMRC for bringing the lyrics to the public's attention. He said it must have been difficult for the ladies to listen to the lyrics, apparently unaware that the PMRC pumps out stacks of mimeographed lyric sheets that the women carry around for distribution.

After Ling had packed up his gear and the PMRC women had left center stage, Senator James Exon (D-Nebraska), a former loan-company branch manager in Lincoln, made a surprising statement. He said, "This is the largest media event I've ever seen…. If we're not talking about federal regulation or legislation, Mr. Chairman, what's the reason for this hearing? Sometimes I wonder why these media events are scheduled."

Danforth reddened. He said the hearing was called to "provide a forum for airing what a lot of people consider a problem" and to "ventilate the issue."

Exon muttered, "We indulge in too many media events."

Senator Hawkins cut in and told Exon, "No one has the right to poison our children with these lyrics."

According to the RIAA, seven of the fifteen or so groups presented by Ling — W.A.S.P., Morris Day and the Time, Bitch, the Mentors, Abbator, Impaler and Piledriver — did not go gold. Yet, Goldberg pointed out, their lyrics drew most of the gasps at the hearing.

There was this, for instance, from the Mentors' "Golden Showers" on their You Axed for It LP: "Listen little slut/Do as you are told …/Come with daddy for me to pour the gold …/ All through my excrements you shall roam …/ Bend up and smell my anal vapor …/ Your face is my toilet paper …/On your face I leave a shit tower…."

[zomgee]

I'm starting think that the main reason I'm so vehemently against SJ Ws is not because of what they stand for but mainly because of what they pretend to represent. I've been watching these vids benji posted and my reaction is basically "lol conservative morons". If it was SJ Ws saying basically the same shit but with grandiose buzzwords and their usual self-righteousness I'd be annoyed.  It's because they pretend to represent the left what mainly annoys me so much. The fact that they're so fucking pretentious doesn't help either.

How... how are you getting past the word filter that the agents set up? Are you.... are you Neo? Are you... THE ONE?

You took the blue pill and saw how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[warcock]

I am tempted to post a Hot Woman thread on ResetEra. But

1. It would just get locked immediately.

2. It would  a lot of people.

Late-stage GAF took a real turn towards sex-negativity and I unfortunately don't see ResetEra being any different in that regard.

Most gaf girls are prob uggos their offense to objectification is probably rooted in jealousy 

[Kurt Russell]

I am tempted to post a Hot Woman thread on ResetEra. But

1. It would just get locked immediately.

2. It would  a lot of people.

Late-stage GAF took a real turn towards sex-negativity and I unfortunately don't see ResetEra being any different in that regard.

There's a definite need for a forum that is more bore-like in terms of open discussion. Obviously, it won't be here, because it's quite clear that demi is happy with things as they are and that's a *good* thing - part of the charm of The Bore is the smaller community who mostly take all posts in good faith, even if they are diametrically opposed to the viewpoints within. I can, however, see the growth of a new, more-permissive forum out of the rubble of GAF. It'll never be best-GAF, but it'd be busy enough.

[CrankyJay]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kevin-spacey-issues-statement-on-sexual-assault-allegations.2403/page-12#post-248265

I'm genuinely confused here. Is the definition of sexual assault evolving?

Spacey didn't even take it as far as EviLore did if we're to believe Rapp's account stopped where he claimed it did.

[ZombieSupaStar]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lttp-mgsv-quiet%E2%80%99s-depiction-is-making-me-very-uncomfortable.2163/page-6#post-231592

Just cover your eyes, OP. The sexy woman will go away.

The user was warned for this post. We cannot allow users to be abusive or to "troll" other users. This does not follow our rules.

Also saw a warning for "drive by posting" (A guy joking "Fake News" in a Mueller investigation thread). I understand why there's so many mods now because they will be super busy if they think they will hunt every instance of "low quality posting" in a forum of many thousands.

Eh well I give them some credit, they would have been banned on gaf for that, let’s see how long it lasts past the honeymoon period though.

Edit: wtf I didn’t even know Kevin Spacey was gay.

[H.I.V.E.]

Wait I just realized I am arguing a 17 year old Swedish? person about gamergate on the resetera forum and they made that boy a mod.

I mean not hating on the guy but why the hell would they make a 17 year old born in the year 2000 a moderator on a big forum. No wonder my conversation with him is also terrible.

[Nabbis]

I get the argument against Kojima but Gaffers whining about it just makes me care about it less instead of more.

[Rufus]

There's a definite need for a forum that is more bore-like in terms of open discussion. Obviously, it won't be here, because it's quite clear that demi is happy with things as they are and that's a *good* thing - part of the charm of The Bore is the smaller community who mostly take all posts in good faith, even if they are diametrically opposed to the viewpoints within. I can, however, see the growth of a new, more-permissive forum out of the rubble of GAF. It'll never be best-GAF, but it'd be busy enough.

RPG Codex fills that gap, but it tilts to the right, with proud Trump voters aplenty. If you can bear to hear them lament modern gaming (and life) all the damn time, that is.

Yup, GAF is done.  Although I have to say, I've barely browsed ResetEra this past week.  Just don't care anymore.  The forum seems fine and all, but it's just...eh.

Yeah. I thought I might revitalize some interest in the big forum experience, but I just went straight to hangouts and added some threads to my watchlist. As with GAF, I will only end up reading DeutschGAF and the PoE thread (once it actually picks up again, cough) and skim the others.

I mean not hating on the guy but why the hell would they make a 17 year old born in the year 2000 a moderator on a big forum. No wonder my conversation with him is also terrible.

Because he'll gladly do it for free and has the time to spare.

[H.I.V.E.]

I get the argument against Kojima but Gaffers whining about it just makes me care about it less instead of more.

I get that. Conversations in this thread get lost because sometimes you can't parse whether someone completely disagrees or completely agrees with some post on another forum. I don't even know what Morrigan said, just said that it wouldn't shock me if Kojima wasn't exactly a paragon of women's rights given his content.

I wouldn't say I'm arguing against Kojima as in, I don't exactly think it's wrong but there is a discussion to be had without it being the extremes of "censor it you altright asshole" or "lol look at this S J W Smithers shielding his eyes grow up, fundamentalist christian".

Enjoy whatever you like, unless it's something like child porn or you're watching liveleak videos of people getting their head split open I don't see issues with it. Can't exactly act as a moral guardian when I watch Troma movies.

The conversation can be had and has happened but whenever one person starts with the labels name calling questioning their sincerity and all that it when it goes to shit.

Morrigan always does that right off the bat. A debate where the objective is to win will never be different than watching 2 politicians talk past each other on a podium.

[demi]

https://twitter.com/KevinSpacey/status/924848412842971136

Someone photoshop this with EviLore's situation

Probably would have saved GAF

[VomKriege]

Nah not buying that. Depends on the persons involved & the context. If it's a group thing and what "partying" entails.
Now of course I'm not denying physical relationships are more likely to happen in situations like that in general.

Anyway it's mostly irrelevant to the issue at hand.

[dridru]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kevin-spacey-issues-statement-on-sexual-assault-allegations.2403/page-12#post-248265

I'm genuinely confused here. Is the definition of sexual assault evolving?

Spacey didn't even take it as far as EviLore did if we're to believe Rapp's account stopped where he claimed it did.

Kid was 14 at the time. Bringing him to the party was already taking it too far really.

[H.I.V.E.]

No but real talk, your girlfriend / wife / SO whatever goes off on a road trip to another city with another dude where partying and drinking and sharing a hotel room is the plan?

Either the dude didn't know the details or he's into NTR. 



Which, she says they had an open relationship as long as she only slept with other women.

This is honestly alien and seems very stupid and unlikely to work.  It seems like the sort of arrangement where every failure there was set up to happen, by negligence or imprudence if nothing else.

Let me be clear, no, she did not owe Malka sex or something because he had that expectation, and getting her drunk then trying to jump in her shower is obviously inappropriate and he is paying the price for that in terms of public relations which is hitting his pocketbook hard.

But there is a reason he had that expectation, and that prior relationship sounds fucked up and doomed to begin with.

There was this big hub-bub about how the Vice President won't be alone with other women who aren't his wife whenever possible and everyone gave him shit for that... I mean... is he really wrong?  Appearance of impropriety is one thing, let alone temptation to actual impropriety...

 ... and that's a far cry from getting shitfaced and sharing a hotel room with someone.

I was raised to always leave the door open or be in company when you are with women not in your family both for your own and her benefit. Exception being when you obviously intend to get somewhere or are in a relationship. Also learned growing up that you never mess with another man's girl. These two things have served me well.

If he followed either he wouldn't be going up in flames right now. Either tell her to dump the other guy or insist on separate rooms.

Conservative values are not always shit. Also if invited to a Scientology cult sex party don't drink the roofies.

[H.I.V.E.]

So basically this Morrigan person is like one of those various other sex-negative feminists who end up being no better than (and often worse than) religious puritans.

"Think of the children who might see the naughty bits" vs. "ermahgerd toxic masculinity male gaze."

End up in the same place, they're just attacking entertainment providers with their moral outrage trying to censor content other people want to buy.  If you're bothered by Quiet that much, don't buy the game.  Simple.

Exactly.

I did say as much in that thread not sure if she replied because I put her on ignore. They are no better than the religious nutters.

[Rufus]

Why'd you respond if you don't care to hear her answer?

Just to clear something up (since I'm too lazy to read the thread), is she actually calling for any content changes or just expressing her distaste? Not that the former would actually lead to anything, but hey, let's just assume it would for the moment.

[H.I.V.E.]

Why'd you respond if you don't care to hear her answer?

Just to clear something up (since I'm too lazy to read the thread), is she actually calling for any content changes or just expressing her distaste? Not that the former would actually lead to anything, but hey, let's just assume it would for the moment.

Because it was a reply to another poster after I ignored her after her reply. No one else replied as I didn't get a notification.

Honestly she comes across more like she demands people stop buying it and feel shit for doing so. She also argue about every game and movies tv etc that she thinks is sexist. Never seen her post anything else.

[kingv]

Mario odyssey is filled with sexualization:

- Cappy saying “it’s too big, I can’t hold onto it”
- moons with names like “a nut on the backside”
- Mayor Pauline’s ass is 

[Assimilate]

Now Kevin Spacey huh? i love him as an actor, this is too bad. Apparently this is something else hollywood knew about. He's always had a thing for the young boys. All that fucking moral superiority smugness from hollywood and they're full of crazies. Reminds you of GAF doesn't it?

Hollywood about to implode.

  There have been countless sex scandals in Hollywood since at least the 1930s. Countless murders, assaulters, criminals unrelated to sexual assault or harassment. It's not going anywhere. People aren't going to stop going to movies, or stop watching movies, or stop wanting movies to be made. If Hollywood goes down, so does television, and streaming services that hundreds of millions of people use.

At most, some people will be sued and go off to hide for a while, maybe someone will get arrested if the accusations are recent enough. "Hollywood" will not be impacted by this. Individuals in Hollywood, yes.

Yeah but now we got Trump and we got Twitter 

[Rufus]

Because it was a reply to another poster after I ignored her after her reply. No one else replied as I didn't get a notification.

Honestly she comes across more like she demands people stop buying it and feel shit for doing so. She also argue about every game and movies tv etc that she thinks is sexist. Never seen her post anything else.

I see how that would be annoying if you don't share her views, but that doesn't seem all that serious to me.

[dridru]

So basically this Morrigan person is like one of those various other sex-negative feminists who end up being no better than (and often worse than) religious puritans.

"Think of the children who might see the naughty bits" vs. "ermahgerd toxic masculinity male gaze."

End up in the same place, they're just attacking entertainment providers with their moral outrage trying to censor content other people want to buy.  If you're bothered by Quiet that much, don't buy the game.  Simple.

Has there been any game released since that stirred up so much controversy around a female character? Because otherwise, one game in two years really doesn't seem so bad to me even if Quiet bothers them.