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« Reply #720 on: March 28, 2018, 08:18:46 PM »
Sam Harris posted an update to the Klein emails



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« Reply #721 on: March 28, 2018, 08:33:27 PM »
The Harris subreddit already picked up on it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/87vyxc/sam_adds_note_to_his_ezra_klein_blog_post/dwg0r37/
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Enough with these fringe ideologically driven psychologists. I will now turn to [checks notes] a Jungian who is fighting against a supposed cabal of neomarxist post modernists.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/87vyxc/sam_adds_note_to_his_ezra_klein_blog_post/dwg18ic/
https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/6gidnl/why_arent_we_discussing_charles_murrays_backing/
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I need to poke my head in there more often. It's not your typical fan-sub, this one.

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« Reply #722 on: March 28, 2018, 08:58:46 PM »
Clearly the problem here is that Sam Harris' fans have not listened to enough Sam Harris.

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« Reply #723 on: March 28, 2018, 09:04:56 PM »
The Harris fans are the fanatical type. They get into wars with other subreddits that only they care about. They wage war on Rogan, Peterson and Rubin for reasons nobody understands.

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« Reply #725 on: March 28, 2018, 10:58:28 PM »
actually he's a sub and you're kinkshaming him right now

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« Reply #726 on: March 28, 2018, 11:01:54 PM »
guys, please stop infringing on JP's right to free speech by mocking his clearly well thought out tweet

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« Reply #727 on: March 28, 2018, 11:02:02 PM »
The Harris subreddit might be getting brigaded as well.

As the Taleb pieces imply, a great deal of people mistake an aesthetic of class for a sign of intelligence.  That would reveal itself in not noticing Klein weaseling out of responsibility and pretending to be clueless about Sam's anger. Ezra has nothing to lose from this defamation and since he's applying to be in the elite class, he also has nothing to lose about attacking Murray and ignoring his book's more concerning point about the impact of technology rise and IQ on socioeconomic class division.

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« Reply #728 on: March 28, 2018, 11:21:41 PM »
fuck that's a good tweet.
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« Reply #729 on: March 28, 2018, 11:30:32 PM »
 :aweshum still giggling. hooooo

once you are usurped, your rebellion will be meek, and then you will be enslaved! there is some pulp fiction to be made here.

women's lib or male sex fantasy tho?
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« Reply #730 on: March 29, 2018, 12:05:22 AM »
when she jails and enslaves you :lawd

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« Reply #731 on: March 29, 2018, 12:10:04 AM »
"Maybe the long, deep history of racism in America and the Anglosphere has an effect both in measured IQ on black citizens and the way white people interpret that data and a conversation about that topic should incorporate that context." - horribly defamatory hit job.


"Feminist, black, gay, and other identity-based organizing and activism are largely metastases of a cultural Marxist conspiracy." - completely normal, sane thing.

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« Reply #732 on: March 29, 2018, 12:18:12 AM »
when she jails and enslaves you :lawd

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« Reply #733 on: March 29, 2018, 01:20:50 AM »
A billionaire using his wealth to game the legal system and shut down media orgs he doesn't like is of much greater importance than Gawker being trashy

You can say Gawker deserves what they got and I don't really have an issue with it, but the way it happened is scary as hell and absolutely has had a chilling effect on the press as a whole

yes, very chilling. no respectable journalistic entity (like tmz) has published a single celebrity revenge porn clip since the verdict. Fuck Thiel!

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« Reply #734 on: March 29, 2018, 04:54:50 AM »
I am not sure I can overcome your reading comprehension problems, so I'll yell things in caps like a goofball thinking it will help a deaf person understand.


GAWKER GOT GAT CUZ GAWKER DID BAD THINGS

WHY ARE YOU FOCUSED ON THIEL USING HIS MONEY TO FUND HOGAN

Lol you're so easily :umad

Act like this didn't have a chilling effect if you want to, but that's par for the course for ostrich boy over here

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« Reply #735 on: March 29, 2018, 09:31:08 AM »
Cultural Marxist is a loaded way of saying "Not conservative" and trying to making it sound 'bad' at the same time. Because anything "Not conservative" is evil in merit.
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« Reply #736 on: March 29, 2018, 10:07:16 AM »
"Maybe the long, deep history of racism in America and the Anglosphere has an effect both in measured IQ on black citizens and the way white people interpret that data and a conversation about that topic should incorporate that context." - horribly defamatory hit job.


"Feminist, black, gay, and other identity-based organizing and activism are largely metastases of a cultural Marxist conspiracy." - completely normal, sane thing.


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« Reply #737 on: March 29, 2018, 11:19:12 AM »
I am not sure I can overcome your reading comprehension problems, so I'll yell things in caps like a goofball thinking it will help a deaf person understand.


GAWKER GOT GAT CUZ GAWKER DID BAD THINGS

WHY ARE YOU FOCUSED ON THIEL USING HIS MONEY TO FUND HOGAN

Lol you're so easily :umad

Act like this didn't have a chilling effect if you want to, but that's par for the course for ostrich boy over here

I don't know how you can look at the tabloid level trash that the media currently is and think it had any chilling effect. We have Anderson Cooper interviewing porn stars for sex escapades. Shit has no chill at all.

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« Reply #738 on: March 29, 2018, 12:23:42 PM »
:lol ya he's interviewing a pornstar who the most powerful man in the world fucked behind his wifes back you fuckin ninny
"there's no chilling effect because the media is trash" you're one equivocating motherfucker no doubt. nevermind that the dudes who put out the weinstein/r kelly stories talked about what a pain in the ass it was to find publishers who weren't too shook by the gawker suit to publish them

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« Reply #739 on: March 29, 2018, 12:25:19 PM »
The Weinstein story had been buried for years and years before the Gawker trial. You should recognize that sort of chilling claim as dishonest immediately.

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« Reply #740 on: March 29, 2018, 01:51:19 PM »
Yes, why indeed would anyone in the news media want to give a damn about the president of the United States from the party of "family values" having an extramarital affair with a porn star?

et always has the best examples. The very best.

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« Reply #741 on: March 29, 2018, 01:51:59 PM »
Meanwhile, what the current gold standard of "proper" journalism looks like:

https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/979021639458459648

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« Reply #742 on: March 29, 2018, 01:59:24 PM »
The most surprising thing about that pic is that he's only worn the fedora once.

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« Reply #743 on: March 29, 2018, 02:06:44 PM »
Yes, why indeed would anyone in the news media want to give a damn about the president of the United States from the party of "family values" having an extramarital affair with a porn star?

et always has the best examples. The very best.

The point is there is no chilling effect, which you just agreed to with your response.

It's not an argument on whether they should cover it or not. The argument is they DO cover it. No chilling. Just Gawker burning themselves and a suspect effort by certain parties to spin that narrative into abusive rich man silences press.

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« Reply #744 on: March 29, 2018, 02:28:51 PM »
(Image removed from quote.)
I assume this is a Photoshop, he looks too brown somehow  :bobby  What's this a reference to?

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« Reply #745 on: March 29, 2018, 02:36:14 PM »
As do I, I was thinking maybe the context makes it funnier like it's his face superimposed on Cedric The Entertainer's head or something

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« Reply #746 on: March 29, 2018, 02:38:55 PM »
Is it really surprising that he'd wear a fedora with a god damn feather?
bitch have you seen the pic, look at it, the sadness in his eyes like the will to live is being extracted through them, off brand skin colour, it's fucking weird man :lol

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« Reply #747 on: March 29, 2018, 02:46:47 PM »
It's from this 2011 PSA he did for Palkin's The Agenda.


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« Reply #748 on: March 29, 2018, 03:29:04 PM »
He ain't lyin  :idont

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« Reply #749 on: March 29, 2018, 03:38:05 PM »
What made you go your own way, et?

I mean, the Fedora almost makes me think it's satire, but I don't know if he was aware of the meme back then.
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« Reply #750 on: March 29, 2018, 04:00:12 PM »
 :drake

I am saying that women are generally attracted to certain things even when they spend excess energy to deny such. If you've been around women then you notice what they respond to and what that pattern reflects. If you've dated women then you realize that they respond to some pretty basic concepts.

There is a cognitive dissonance between the message to young people about gender and romance, and the actuality of how it plays out. In my view, this creates a lot of confusion that hangs around through even the college years.

As well, male fallout in society has consequences. We see that in the data on suicides, murder, homelessness and prison populations. Beyond that, there's the population of men who are stuck in a holding pattern. His comment about dating down is facetious. In studies, hetero women tends to not date downward in status. Despite their own success, women still date for reasons of status attainment and wealth.

There are exceptions to all of this, but they are rare enough to make looking for the exception a poor life decision. My darkest fear is that we built society for centuries on the idea that many men would die before hitting age 30. That war, hard labor and risk would ween out the male population so that the need of the people never outweighed society's ability to meet the demand. However, many things have changed. Less men go to war. Less men die young from hard labor. Health has improved. Disease control has improved. We simply have more living men now and society wasn't built to handle their need. So they end up in prison or on the streets or they take their own life in a variety of vices and methods.

And then you get really terrible stinkpieces that talk about how terrible men are and how it must be contained or corrected. It's as if parts of society, given more men than ever before, treats these extra lives as a contagion.

It is a fucked up situation.

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« Reply #751 on: March 29, 2018, 04:18:09 PM »
Yes, everyone is different. However, I still turn my eyes at boobs, legs and ass. I'm looking for more than that in a partner, but that doesn't change that fact. If I seriously date someone, I think about who they would be as a mother. Women are the same way. Statistically, they date upwards. For some reason, employment gain and birth control hasn't changed that.

So the question is where we end up. Do we have more men than we know what to do with? Are we not built for how we've ended up? It's not that the stinkpieces hurt anyone's feelings, but that they reveal a public ignoring the question or rejecting the outcome. That's why I compared the response to treating the issue as a contagion.


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« Reply #752 on: March 29, 2018, 04:20:08 PM »
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Yes, everyone is different. However, I still turn my eyes at boobs, legs and ass.
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« Reply #753 on: March 29, 2018, 04:27:08 PM »
I don't have one and that's why its a bothersome, dark worry. I don't see anyone with a solution so far. Peterson defaults to traditionalism, but I don't think that option is open.

You basically need to create opportunity to meet demand. You need good minds to figure out if you can even do that.

I do think that recent changes in primary education were harmful. Less recess was a bad idea. There's increased homework which lessens physical activity time away from school as well.

Justice reform and prison reform needs to happen. We're just tossing the shit we cant' deal with behind bars and those people rarely ever get out of the system. Repeat offense is common.

And probably stop attacking the avenues of life where men do succeed.

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« Reply #754 on: March 29, 2018, 04:29:47 PM »
Men and woman have certain things that are fairly universal amongst the species in how they determine attractiveness in one another. Facial symmetry being one of them. However, and this is important, culture plays an enormous role in the way things can develop from there and how certain things manifest, what and how people in that society value. See: neck stretching, feet binding, Venus figurines, or extensive female facial tattoos.

Peterson, like usual, does an extremely poor job propping up the underpinning of his rants. Espousing virtues of the side he supports, cherry picking the negatives toward the side he doesn't, never actually reconciling them into some sort of falsifiable statement that can weighed or measured. It is quite the leap to go from broad brushing human predilections on mate characteristics to inferring that somehow a 1950's cultural structure represents the peak optimization of that dynamic. But Peterson's starting point is to make the case for that form of conservatism, so it isn't really a surprise he contorts his often non-falsifiable arguments to try and get to that conclusion.


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As well, male fallout in society has consequences. We see that in the data on suicides, murder, homelessness and prison populations. Beyond that, there's the population of men who are stuck in a holding pattern. His comment about dating down is facetious. In studies, hetero women tends to not date downward in status. Despite their own success, women still date for reasons of status attainment and wealth.

That is one bold leap there etiolate, especially since many of those things have actually decreased since the feminist revolution. But even taking your assertion at face value, I think you would be unable to substantiate convincingly outside of poor attempts at specious correlations.. On the other hand, we have seen actual rises of those sorts of things in places where not only is there not a cultural shift like America, but shifts toward more regressive societies, which if your notion held true, we should be seeing the opposite as countries retreat into conservatism. Like in Russia, former baltic states, many Middle-Eastern countries and on. But i wouldn't attempt to make such silly simple causation narratives for them either. Just pointing out how easily refutable that is. The idea that there is some obvious grand connection between feminism and murder/suicide/homelessness is fucking absurd, even for you.

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« Reply #755 on: March 29, 2018, 04:32:31 PM »
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That is one bold leap there etiolate, especially since many of those things have actually decreased since the feminist revolution. But even taking your assertion at face value, I think you would be unable to substantiate convincingly outside of poor attempts at specious correlations.. On the other hand, we have seen actual rises of those sorts of things in places where not only is there not a cultural shift like America, but shifts toward more regressive societies, which if your notion held true, we should be seeing the opposite as countries retreat into conservatism. Like in Russia, former baltic states, many Middle-Eastern countries and on. The idea that there is some obvious grand connection between feminism and murder/suicide/homelessness is fucking absurd, even for you.

What do you think "my notion" is exactly?

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« Reply #756 on: March 29, 2018, 04:34:23 PM »
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That is one bold leap there etiolate, especially since many of those things have actually decreased since the feminist revolution. But even taking your assertion at face value, I think you would be unable to substantiate convincingly outside of poor attempts at specious correlations.. On the other hand, we have seen actual rises of those sorts of things in places where not only is there not a cultural shift like America, but shifts toward more regressive societies, which if your notion held true, we should be seeing the opposite as countries retreat into conservatism. Like in Russia, former baltic states, many Middle-Eastern countries and on. The idea that there is some obvious grand connection between feminism and murder/suicide/homelessness is fucking absurd, even for you.

What do you think "my notion" is exactly?

Just using your words etiolate:

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As well, male fallout in society has consequences. We see that in the data on suicides, murder, homelessness and prison populations.

This implies a direct relationship does it not?

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« Reply #757 on: March 29, 2018, 04:38:35 PM »
A relationship to what though? I am saying, in my view, we have more men going past the age of 30 than we've ever had. We've had major shifts in gender roles and life options recently as well. So my worry/theory is we have more available young men than we have roles for young men.

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« Reply #758 on: March 29, 2018, 04:50:48 PM »
That's naive. Sorry. I have been out of the bubble plenty. And the bubble has influence o'plenty.  If the bubble is academia then that means young people are being taught what is thought in the bubble. That's the future. It is dumb to think anything that is taught is designed to be contained in the classroom and not spread.

Meanwhile, I've dealt with people in prison, with the lives of those that get into that system, and with the community of men who end up homeless.

I gave you a real response and you're dragging out the tired old and refuted "its only in small places" reply. There is a fight to put more women in STEM and there are hiring practices that are arguing for not hiring more men. When I say let's not attack the few avenues men succeed, that is what I am talking about.



I think an important concept to understand is to recognize that when we make a large change on the social/cultural/software side of evolution that it's not enough to use "we did not instantly explode" to qualify what we've done as a total success. That's sort of how we engage our efforts to better society. We take things that have developed over centuries and shift them, then we sit a moment and if they don't end in instant hellfire we say it's fine. However, impact tends to develop over time and we have to pay attention to where we are and what is happening. This is getting back into the Taleb stuff, but we do far too much tweaking of ideas we don't appreciate as evolutionary outcomes and thus ignore how they impact us once they don't instantly destroy the whole population.
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« Reply #759 on: March 29, 2018, 04:51:36 PM »
A relationship to what though? I am saying, in my view, we have more men going past the age of 30 than we've ever had. We've had major shifts in gender roles and life options recently as well. So my worry/theory is we have more available young men than we have roles for young men.

And I took issue with the assertion that the societal issues you listed(suicide, murder, homelessness, incarceration) are directly intertwined and serve as evidence to your thesis.

Because one, at least half of those statistics are relatively stable or are going in the other direction, and more importantly, two, there is no real evidence of some absurdist connection between male fallout post-feminism and social upbringing in a society and increasing levels of those statistics.

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« Reply #760 on: March 29, 2018, 04:56:10 PM »
That's naive. Sorry. I have been out of the bubble plenty. And the bubble has influence o'plenty.  If the bubble is academia then that means young people are being taught what is thought in the bubble. That's the future. It is dumb to think anything that is taught is designed to be contained in the classroom and not spread.

Meanwhile, I've dealt with people in prison, with the lives of those that get into that system, and with the community of men who end up homeless.

I gave you a real response and you're dragging out the tired old and refuted "its only in small places" reply. There is a fight to put more women in STEM and there are hiring practices that are arguing for not hiring more men. When I say let's not attack the few avenues men succeed, that is what I am talking about.

lol.

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« Reply #761 on: March 29, 2018, 05:01:44 PM »
A relationship to what though? I am saying, in my view, we have more men going past the age of 30 than we've ever had. We've had major shifts in gender roles and life options recently as well. So my worry/theory is we have more available young men than we have roles for young men.

And I took issue with the assertion that the societal issues you listed(suicide, murder, homelessness, incarceration) are directly intertwined and serve as evidence to your thesis.

Because one, at least half of those statistics are relatively stable or are going in the other direction, and more importantly, two, there is no real evidence of some absurdist connection between male fallout post-feminism and social upbringing in a society and increasing levels of those statistics.


No. You're wrong.

Suicide rates are rising. Incarceration rates quadrupled in the past four decades.

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« Reply #762 on: March 29, 2018, 05:09:21 PM »
A relationship to what though? I am saying, in my view, we have more men going past the age of 30 than we've ever had. We've had major shifts in gender roles and life options recently as well. So my worry/theory is we have more available young men than we have roles for young men.

And I took issue with the assertion that the societal issues you listed(suicide, murder, homelessness, incarceration) are directly intertwined and serve as evidence to your thesis.

Because one, at least half of those statistics are relatively stable or are going in the other direction, and more importantly, two, there is no real evidence of some absurdist connection between male fallout post-feminism and social upbringing in a society and increasing levels of those statistics.


No. You're wrong.

Suicide rates are rising. Incarceration rates quadrupled in the past four decades.
Wrong about what?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6610a7.htm

Suicide rates have been relatively stable, ebbing and flowing over the last several decades. Murder rates have fallen, homelessness is not easy to track conclusively but there are a lot of factors we know drive the trends, I haven't seen evidence that feminism is one of them. Incarceration rates are certainly up, but what you are still falling to provide is any evidence of a connection between what you are asserting and the numbers. Again, I've heard a lot of convincing evidence on the power of budgetary constraints, mandatory sentencing, for-profit prisons, and broken-windows policing on incarceration, not a whole lot on feminism being a primary driver of incarceration rates.
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« Reply #764 on: March 29, 2018, 05:50:04 PM »
Now there's a pick up line I haven't tried.

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« Reply #765 on: March 29, 2018, 06:49:53 PM »
Okay, I gotta hear this.

How is feminism responsible for the rise in incarceration rates over the past 40 years?

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« Reply #766 on: March 29, 2018, 07:19:49 PM »
I've seen people propose a narrative that roughly goes like this: the feminist movement, deindustrialization, and demilitarization (particularly the end of the draft) combined to have the unintended consequence of depriving young men traditionally masculine jobs or roles, which used to be more rewarding in both money and social status. In response more and more of them acted out resulting in crime, suicide, etc. Prison soaking up the population of fighty boys who used to serve in the army, that sort of thing.

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« Reply #767 on: March 29, 2018, 07:22:28 PM »
Okay, I gotta hear this.

How is feminism responsible for the rise in incarceration rates over the past 40 years?

Nobody said that.

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« Reply #768 on: March 29, 2018, 07:37:14 PM »
Okay, I gotta hear this.

How is feminism responsible for the rise in incarceration rates over the past 40 years?

Nobody said that.

You said this dude:



As well, male fallout in society has consequences. We see that in the data on suicides, murder, homelessness and prison populations.

What is the cause of this male fallout?

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« Reply #769 on: March 29, 2018, 07:50:18 PM »
make specious arguments, then complain about people shitting up your thread  ::)
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« Reply #770 on: March 29, 2018, 10:00:11 PM »
Okay, I gotta hear this.

How is feminism responsible for the rise in incarceration rates over the past 40 years?

Nobody said that.

You said this dude:



As well, male fallout in society has consequences. We see that in the data on suicides, murder, homelessness and prison populations.

What is the cause of this male fallout?

I already explained this.If you can't figure it out then you fail.

If you want me to teach you how to read and think then I'll set up a paypal and give you a rate.

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« Reply #771 on: March 29, 2018, 10:05:26 PM »
set up an Lpal and watch them line up
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« Reply #772 on: March 29, 2018, 10:14:49 PM »
a dialogue with etoilet, condensed
etoilet: inarticulately expresses a dumb point
curious bystander: that sounds dumb, could you clarify
etoilet: I ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS YOU CAN'T READ PLS STOP MY FRAGILE EGO CAN'T HANDLE MINOR CONFRONTATION REEEEEE
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« Reply #773 on: March 29, 2018, 10:47:59 PM »
My darkest fear is that we built society for centuries on the idea that many men would die before hitting age 30. That war, hard labor and risk would ween out the male population so that the need of the people never outweighed society's ability to meet the demand. However, many things have changed. Less men go to war. Less men die young from hard labor. Health has improved. Disease control has improved. We simply have more living men now and society wasn't built to handle their need. So they end up in prison or on the streets or they take their own life in a variety of vices and methods.

Except women had a lot higher mortality back then too.

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« Reply #774 on: March 30, 2018, 06:33:40 AM »
Okay, I gotta hear this.

How is feminism responsible for the rise in incarceration rates over the past 40 years?

Nobody said that.

You said this dude:



As well, male fallout in society has consequences. We see that in the data on suicides, murder, homelessness and prison populations.

What is the cause of this male fallout?

I already explained this.If you can't figure it out then you fail.

If you want me to teach you how to read and think then I'll set up a paypal and give you a rate.

Sigh. Let us review all the relevant posts you've made thus far:


And then you get really terrible stinkpieces that talk about how terrible men are and how it must be contained or corrected. It's as if parts of society, given more men than ever before, treats these extra lives as a contagion.


It's not that the stinkpieces hurt anyone's feelings, but that they reveal a public ignoring the question or rejecting the outcome. That's why I compared the response to treating the issue as a contagion.

Who's writing these "stinkpieces" that are shitting on men? Is it the MRA crowd? Pretty sure it's not them.

We've had major shifts in gender roles and life options recently as well.

Who is responsible for these major shifts in gender roles?

That's naive. Sorry. I have been out of the bubble plenty. And the bubble has influence o'plenty.  If the bubble is academia then that means young people are being taught what is thought in the bubble. That's the future. It is dumb to think anything that is taught is designed to be contained in the classroom and not spread.

And what are these bad ideas taught in the academia bubble that will spread outside of it? Are they pro-male ideas?

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I gave you a real response and you're dragging out the tired old and refuted "its only in small places" reply. There is a fight to put more women in STEM and there are hiring practices that are arguing for not hiring more men. When I say let's not attack the few avenues men succeed, that is what I am talking about.


Who is leading this fight to put women in STEM and changing hiring practices to focus more on women?


 Incarceration rates quadrupled in the past four decades.

Now this seems like an innocent statement on the surface. But why are you going back only four decades? Could it possibly be because that's when a certain movement really started taking off?


(In case it needs to be spelled out, every question I've asked thus far in this post has been rhetorical)

Now, I'm willing to concede that you did seem to be pointing to additional problems separate from feminism, but don't fucking try to pretend that feminism wasn't one of the major things you were tying to shit like incarceration rates and such.

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« Reply #775 on: March 30, 2018, 02:47:17 PM »
Yes, feminism is involved, as is a birth control pill or a delayed marriage cycle and longer lives. Why are you freaking out over feminism?

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« Reply #776 on: March 30, 2018, 03:08:53 PM »
He's not.

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« Reply #777 on: March 30, 2018, 03:10:09 PM »


Who is leading this fight to put women in STEM and changing hiring practices to focus more on women?



http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/04/women-preferred-21-over-men-stem-faculty-positions

The result of favouring women 2:1: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more-gender-equality-the-fewer-women-in-stem/553592/

and I quote "The upshot of this research is neither especially feminist nor especially sad: It’s not that gender equality discourages girls from pursuing science. It’s that it allows them not to if they’re not interested."


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« Reply #778 on: March 30, 2018, 03:22:50 PM »
Yes, feminism is involved, as is a birth control pill or a delayed marriage cycle and longer lives. Why are you freaking out over feminism?

Until you can provide concrete empirical evidence that shows heavy direct causation on the stats you asserted are caused by feminism, that assertion is not substantiated

You have spent far too much time in the Peterson world of shifty non-falsifiable arguments that you have lost what makes Peterson often work and avoid exposure, which is avoiding those sorts of bold assertions that can be empirically weighed and measured. Like inferring homelessness, suicide, murder, incarceration, and feminism have a strong connection. If you don't have evidence to support it, you don't have credible grounds to claim it.

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« Reply #779 on: March 30, 2018, 03:27:13 PM »
So many of you don't belong in this thread.