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VomKriege

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25560 on: August 04, 2018, 12:04:22 PM »
If REra implodes, I don't see the "community" surviving (arguably RE poached the core of GAF active posting population) in one piece.

Thinking that a LLC was setup is :neogaf . They probably expected smooth sailing for years and some decent as revenue attached to it.
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« Reply #25561 on: August 04, 2018, 12:07:22 PM »
The tiny clique of paranoid, deranged idiots on RE (and GAF before them) that utterly dominate the site's "discourse" are essentially a protected class that the moderation (at least those who aren't lunatics now running the asylum themselves) goes above and beyond to cater to. The idea RE of all places is not somewhere for them just goes to show how utterly fucking delusional and broken these people are.

It's like a middle-class right-wing WASP man saying they feel persecuted in Trump's America except more divorced from reality. At least the aforementioned are actually a huge chunk of American society whereas the handful of people that dominate RE are like a few percentage points of the site membership.
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HaughtyFrank

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25562 on: August 04, 2018, 12:10:29 PM »
I appreciate that the mod staff somehow dug themselves a hole that they couldn't get out of clean. if they actioned the people complaining they would have just proven those people right. do you think they have any self-reflection of the fact that they became the exact thing they fled gaf for in a fraction of the time?
The problem with GAF wasn't just Lore, or the people who were mods


It was the user base as a whole. And when the user base moved and some of that user base became mods or Admins...shit followed. Y'all may have your issues with how people escape bans or what the fuck ever, I don't really care, but it has to be noticed by somebody, that the minorities on the site don't feel welcome. That the women, LGBT+, and racial minorities, do not feel as if they're input matters sometimes. And with every race thread, with every thread about how the women of the site, don't feel welcomed...it's coming out.

Lore being a fucking cunt wasn't the reason people left, cause we knew. We ignored it and knew. People just wanted to dip because he was power hungry


And so are those on ERA, power hungry to the point they will ignore blatant problems. To the point that people don't know if it's because the mods are shit or because admins are shit and tell the mods to be shit. I found it funny, how quickly the site devolved, because it really just proved that the problem was deeper than whatever the fuck people there thought it was.

And it's strange, because if it wasn't for the fact I get linked to some of these off the wall posts(the incel thread, the females thread, Zatt defending Gunn, etc) I wouldn't even have seen how fucking nut crazy these motherfuckers are. It's just like...God Damn, every week something happens and I'm like "I get why other sites make fun of you what the fuck"

Shit's crazy man

To be absolutely frank with you, LP. It’s not that minorities, women, LGBTQ, etc. don’t feel comfortable posting there, it’s your specific crew that doesn’t.

I’m not the racist monster thisismyusername, I have no beef with you. What you and a lot of the crew don’t seem to understand is your views aren’t 100 percent objective fact pertaining to all of us. I’m not defending bigoted shit because fuck yeah, ban those idiots. But y’all just don’t want anybody who doesn’t agree with you on every little detail because you assume bad faith on every turn. The mods literally bend over backwards for you guys, if anyone who doesn’t have a high post count and is as visible or in with your crew insulted them the same way they would be banned no question. The staff already go to extreme lengths to accommodate you, any of you guys not feeling safe posting as a minority in fucking resetera of all places says a lot more about your own paranoia. Doesn’t help that a lot you are straight up mean-spirited, condescending dicks about the whole thing.

You’re just a kid, so I don’t get upset about your posts much like some here taking umbrage with your slang for whatever reason. But you need to seriously reflect here because that sort of world view has gotten so narrow that I question how any of you interact with anyone in real life.

Hell, Lionpride was victim of this shit himself when he got banned for defending the use of "bitch". People want no nuance or discussion, they just want those on the "wrong" side of the argument banned.

Averon

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« Reply #25563 on: August 04, 2018, 12:13:41 PM »
I'm wondering why Cerium even made that thread. They had to have known it would not end well. Maybe they are concerned about the the slowdown in the growth of the site and wanted to get ideas on why. Even accounting for the e-mail requirements to sign up, ERA's growth has slowed to a crawl. That is likely also why they are more keen to dish out <2 week bans than much longer bans and perm bans. They can't afford the loss of members such bans will bring. Thing is, ERA will never be as big as GAF was at its height. Traditional forums are on its way out. It is all about Discords, Reddit, social media platforms, even "chan" sites like 4chan.

ERA recently celebrated that they crossed 40,000 members. How long will it take for them to reach 41,000? 42,000?

Cauliflower Of Love

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« Reply #25564 on: August 04, 2018, 12:19:11 PM »
Cerium made that thread cause I'm dragging them.

Cerium make me an admin an I'll put an end to all these good for nothing forums.


EightBitNate

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« Reply #25565 on: August 04, 2018, 12:19:59 PM »
They probably expected it to mostly be feedback about the forum design with only a few complaints about mods (which they would take note of and find a reason to ban users for later).

Even within that thread, mods initially stuck to answering technical questions only even though a majority of the complaints had to do with bans.

Rman

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« Reply #25566 on: August 04, 2018, 12:25:48 PM »
I remember all the talk about ERA being a fresh air, new start, etc.  Man those days are so over. 

agrajag

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« Reply #25567 on: August 04, 2018, 12:33:11 PM »
Stagnant Era

Joe Molotov

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25568 on: August 04, 2018, 12:35:09 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/posts/11099545/
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While many of those accounts can be removed, a more permanent solution to this could be to notify the admin of the employer or university/college of this infraction and that they align themselves with a racist or sexist ideology.

that'll show them! conform or perish!

Dear President of Ohio State University,

Are you aware that one of your students said that Samantha Bee's segment on male rape wasn't funny? Could you sort this?
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Nuitangg

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25569 on: August 04, 2018, 12:40:40 PM »
I remember all the talk about ERA being a fresh air, new start, etc.  Man those days are so over.

That lasted about 2 weeks.  :lol

Raist

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25570 on: August 04, 2018, 12:42:39 PM »
I remember all the talk about ERA being a fresh air, new start, etc.  Man those days are so over.

It was over before it even started.

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« Reply #25571 on: August 04, 2018, 12:46:00 PM »
Waking up and seeing that community thread locked is amazing.

Trust me, if you'd woken up to find the thread still open, Resetera would be gone by the weekend. They're smart enough to know that the site is not able to survive an honest dialogue about it's administration policies.

How they can lock a community thread in which members raise objections to way the site is being run, and *still* convince themselves they're running it well is beyond me. It almost makes me feel sorry for them.

paprikastaude

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« Reply #25572 on: August 04, 2018, 01:03:33 PM »
oh my gawd, I just now saw that whole feedback affair  :sabu

Switters

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« Reply #25573 on: August 04, 2018, 01:07:16 PM »
Cauliflower, why do you post like you're some dark web deep throat that watches Lazytown in his boxers? Am I in an ARG? Can I cancel my subscription?

What are my options here because I'm really scared.
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nudemacusers

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25574 on: August 04, 2018, 01:09:10 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/posts/11099545/
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While many of those accounts can be removed, a more permanent solution to this could be to notify the admin of the employer or university/college of this infraction and that they align themselves with a racist or sexist ideology.

that'll show them! conform or perish!
You missed the other gem in that post
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In the past and present a lot of people seem to be using this place to dump their nazi, alt-right and incel garbage.
Past and present = since October 2017. A lot of people = a handful of morons.

And I thought the altivec era of Apple produced the best reality distortion field.
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nudemacusers

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25575 on: August 04, 2018, 01:11:59 PM »
I remember all the talk about ERA being a fresh air, new start, etc.  Man those days are so over.
Hmm it’s as if a demographic present at the previous site is now the entire population of the new one.
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Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25576 on: August 04, 2018, 01:12:10 PM »
Cauliflower, why do you post like you're some dark web deep throat that watches Lazytown in his boxers? Am I in an ARG? Can I cancel my subscription?

What are my options here because I'm really scared.

*jots down notes*

Rman

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25577 on: August 04, 2018, 01:36:42 PM »
Wow, you can get banned from threads in NeoGAF? that's a pretty cool feature to be honest.  Way better than temp bans.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25578 on: August 04, 2018, 01:49:00 PM »
lore banned from from the "welcome back to neogaf thread" cause i was pointing out all the bigots.

HaughtyFrank

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25579 on: August 04, 2018, 02:07:55 PM »
Would you look at that. This Destiny guy posts on RE

https://www.resetera.com/posts/11099812

spoiler (click to show/hide)
and was promptly perma banned  :lol
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« Last Edit: August 04, 2018, 02:16:44 PM by HaughtyFrank »

nudemacusers

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« Reply #25580 on: August 04, 2018, 02:11:39 PM »
Tbh that’s a bunch of evilore type babble tldr
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Rman

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« Reply #25581 on: August 04, 2018, 02:12:10 PM »
Wow!

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« Reply #25582 on: August 04, 2018, 02:29:00 PM »
Is it fair to say people are more aware of offsite opinions/drama for Era compared to 2014-2017 Gaf?  Seems like even on Era, people complain about regular users posting on confirmed hate sites like bore including notable transphobe marrec.  Does that dox site banbot get a ton of monthly views? 

Joe Molotov

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25583 on: August 04, 2018, 02:34:51 PM »
Is it fair to say people are more aware of offsite opinions/drama for Era compared to 2014-2017 Gaf?  Seems like even on Era, people complain about regular users posting on confirmed hate sites like bore including notable transphobe marrec.  Does that dox site banbot get a ton of monthly views? 

Maybe that's because Era is a splinter site.  :teehee
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Averon

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« Reply #25584 on: August 04, 2018, 02:39:57 PM »
I guess they will no longer be sucking Destiny's dick in that Leftist Youtube thread  :lol

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25585 on: August 04, 2018, 02:50:57 PM »
Honestly I used to be scared to even load up the bore on a browser. Then I realized you're all just Nazis and added you to my bigot bookmark folder.

agrajag

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« Reply #25586 on: August 04, 2018, 03:08:12 PM »
Alot of you white guys are goddamn children.

This fool comes and posts that bullshit. Go fuck off into the sun Clown.

You're a fucking idiot to hold an opinion like that.

agrajag

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« Reply #25587 on: August 04, 2018, 03:08:42 PM »
Why did he capitalize clown?

  :confused

Cauliflower Of Love

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« Reply #25588 on: August 04, 2018, 03:15:33 PM »

PogiJones

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« Reply #25589 on: August 04, 2018, 03:21:26 PM »
Did anyone explain why having a low post count is seemingly an element in deciding ban length/actioning? It remains a mystery and just looks stupid.

This is actually one of the things they do that, while a little annoying, is understandable. In all walks of life, new people are more suspicious than known people. If you didn't know TIMU and know the swastika is ironic (I think?) then you'd suspect that he might just be another neo-Nazi.

Even jobs often have probationary periods where screw ups are more likely to get you fired, until you've proven yourself to be a valuable enough asset to the company that you're given a bit more leniency. The analogy's not a perfect comparison to a message board user (a limited number of spots open at work; they pay money; taking you on is a bigger risk; etc.), but the principle is essentially the same: Make sure you're a good fit before committing to let you in and grant some leniency.

The problem was that on GAF, members were treating each other as lesser people, less knowledgeable even, using "junior" as a pejorative, especially because "junior member" was displayed. It's fine for staff to keep users in a probationary period, but for members to treat each other as lesser due to post count, well, that's ridiculous.

...And that's exactly what's starting to happen now on Era. "Registered a month ago, comes in here with 20 posts, and posts something like that..."

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25590 on: August 04, 2018, 03:28:39 PM »
PogiJones
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pffft

agrajag

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25591 on: August 04, 2018, 03:29:24 PM »
sus af

PogiJones

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25592 on: August 04, 2018, 03:29:48 PM »
This place is immune because everyone treats each other like crap regardless

Raist

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25593 on: August 04, 2018, 03:37:35 PM »
Did anyone explain why having a low post count is seemingly an element in deciding ban length/actioning? It remains a mystery and just looks stupid.

This is actually one of the things they do that, while a little annoying, is understandable. In all walks of life, new people are more suspicious than known people. If you didn't know TIMU and know the swastika is ironic (I think?) then you'd suspect that he might just be another neo-Nazi.

Even jobs often have probationary periods where screw ups are more likely to get you fired, until you've proven yourself to be a valuable enough asset to the company that you're given a bit more leniency. The analogy's not a perfect comparison to a message board user (a limited number of spots open at work; they pay money; taking you on is a bigger risk; etc.), but the principle is essentially the same: Make sure you're a good fit before committing to let you in and grant some leniency.

The problem was that on GAF, members were treating each other as lesser people, less knowledgeable even, using "junior" as a pejorative, especially because "junior member" was displayed. It's fine for staff to keep users in a probationary period, but for members to treat each other as lesser due to post count, well, that's ridiculous.

...And that's exactly what's starting to happen now on Era. "Registered a month ago, comes in here with 20 posts, and posts something like that..."

Sure, Cerium.

daemon

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« Reply #25594 on: August 04, 2018, 03:46:04 PM »
Did anyone explain why having a low post count is seemingly an element in deciding ban length/actioning? It remains a mystery and just looks stupid.

This is actually one of the things they do that, while a little annoying, is understandable. In all walks of life, new people are more suspicious than known people. If you didn't know TIMU and know the swastika is ironic (I think?) then you'd suspect that he might just be another neo-Nazi.

Even jobs often have probationary periods where screw ups are more likely to get you fired, until you've proven yourself to be a valuable enough asset to the company that you're given a bit more leniency. The analogy's not a perfect comparison to a message board user (a limited number of spots open at work; they pay money; taking you on is a bigger risk; etc.), but the principle is essentially the same: Make sure you're a good fit before committing to let you in and grant some leniency.

The problem was that on GAF, members were treating each other as lesser people, less knowledgeable even, using "junior" as a pejorative, especially because "junior member" was displayed. It's fine for staff to keep users in a probationary period, but for members to treat each other as lesser due to post count, well, that's ridiculous.

...And that's exactly what's starting to happen now on Era. "Registered a month ago, comes in here with 20 posts, and posts something like that..."

So they're doing profiling, which is the absolute worst type of racism according to them.

Cute.

PogiJones

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« Reply #25595 on: August 04, 2018, 03:51:52 PM »
So they're doing profiling, which is the absolute worst type of racism according to them.

Cute.
Wat.

A time and post-count based probationary period to say "You must invest enough time and effort into this account to show us it's not a troll account." is not profiling.

daemon

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« Reply #25596 on: August 04, 2018, 03:53:59 PM »
So they're doing profiling, which is the absolute worst type of racism according to them.

Cute.
Wat.

A time and post-count based probationary period to say "You must invest enough time and effort into this account to show us it's not a troll account." is not profiling.

profiling
the recording and analysis of a person's psychological and behavioural characteristics, so as to assess or predict their capabilities in a certain sphere or to assist in identifying categories of people.



PogiJones

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« Reply #25597 on: August 04, 2018, 03:58:38 PM »
So they're doing profiling, which is the absolute worst type of racism according to them.

Cute.
Wat.

A time and post-count based probationary period to say "You must invest enough time and effort into this account to show us it's not a troll account." is not profiling.

profiling
the recording and analysis of a person's psychological and behavioural characteristics, so as to assess or predict their capabilities in a certain sphere or to assist in identifying categories of people.
You forgot all the sample sentences:
‘we put everyone through psychometric profiling’
‘the police are building up a comprehensive system of offender profiling to assist in the hunt for murderers and rapists’
‘That's been the biggest nut to crack with selling psychological profiling.’
‘The goal of investigative psychology's form of profiling, like all profiling, is to infer characteristics of a criminal based on his or her behavior during the crime.’
‘This company specializes in psychological profiling.’
‘In their search for the sniper, police are relying on psychological profiling to better understand and predict what's going through the sniper's mind.’
‘Despite those late hitches, David Stuttard's new adaptation of Antigone, with its value-added psychological profiling, still emerged triumphant.’
‘There's no psychological profiling or involuntary behavioural modification going on here, just a cassette playing a muffled selection of old dance anthems, the hits of Ibiza '97.’
‘The Israelis also use ethnic and behavioral profiling to spot everything from mules - unwitting accomplices who carry lethal devices - to suicide bombers.’
‘Now, I have spoken to FBI profilers and it is a fascinating subject, but psychological profiling has a relatively limited application.’
‘This is the second myth of ID checks: that identification combined with profiling can be an indicator of intention.’
‘It is important that research continues in order to establish how far profiling could be clinically useful, and it is critical that developments are kept under review.’

Notice a trend here? How none of it is based on something like time and post count?

PogiJones

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« Reply #25598 on: August 04, 2018, 03:59:43 PM »
Okay, just caught up and it looks like I missed a crazy thread.

It's not all that dissimilar to a thread I proposed they stick in Etc. Community near the beginning of the site: https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-you-can-only-complain-about-the-moderation-to-the-moderation-rule-is-bad-theres-a-solution.18679/

Unfortunately, it was denied back then, and so they allowed discontent to build up and build up, just as I predicted would happen. So when he did finally open a thread for feedback, all that pent-up anger blew up. I really think that thread would have worked if it had been opened near the beginning and just kept open in some community section. It would have to have a rule restricting people from complaining about their own bans, though, and only allow you to point out other people's bans you thought weren't handled right.

Still, gotta give Cerium credit for finally giving it a shot. He obviously knew it could end badly, but took a chance anyway; kudos. I do think mods need thicker skin than they have, but that thread couldn't have gone well after all that pent-up anger built up over the last year was all released in one thread.

Cauliflower Of Love

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« Reply #25599 on: August 04, 2018, 04:00:51 PM »
woa pogi still has an active account on reeeee

join marrec you pariah

daemon

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« Reply #25600 on: August 04, 2018, 04:05:11 PM »
So they're doing profiling, which is the absolute worst type of racism according to them.

Cute.
Wat.

A time and post-count based probationary period to say "You must invest enough time and effort into this account to show us it's not a troll account." is not profiling.

profiling
the recording and analysis of a person's psychological and behavioural characteristics, so as to assess or predict their capabilities in a certain sphere or to assist in identifying categories of people.
You forgot all the sample sentences:
‘we put everyone through psychometric profiling’
‘the police are building up a comprehensive system of offender profiling to assist in the hunt for murderers and rapists’
‘That's been the biggest nut to crack with selling psychological profiling.’
‘The goal of investigative psychology's form of profiling, like all profiling, is to infer characteristics of a criminal based on his or her behavior during the crime.’
‘This company specializes in psychological profiling.’
‘In their search for the sniper, police are relying on psychological profiling to better understand and predict what's going through the sniper's mind.’
‘Despite those late hitches, David Stuttard's new adaptation of Antigone, with its value-added psychological profiling, still emerged triumphant.’
‘There's no psychological profiling or involuntary behavioural modification going on here, just a cassette playing a muffled selection of old dance anthems, the hits of Ibiza '97.’
‘The Israelis also use ethnic and behavioral profiling to spot everything from mules - unwitting accomplices who carry lethal devices - to suicide bombers.’
‘Now, I have spoken to FBI profilers and it is a fascinating subject, but psychological profiling has a relatively limited application.’
‘This is the second myth of ID checks: that identification combined with profiling can be an indicator of intention.’
‘It is important that research continues in order to establish how far profiling could be clinically useful, and it is critical that developments are kept under review.’

Notice a trend here? How none of it is based on something like time and post count?

Gee I wonder why they don't have a specific example of a forum of lunatics that profile their users to certify their intentions.

PogiJones

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« Reply #25601 on: August 04, 2018, 04:09:01 PM »
So they're doing profiling, which is the absolute worst type of racism according to them.

Cute.
Wat.

A time and post-count based probationary period to say "You must invest enough time and effort into this account to show us it's not a troll account." is not profiling.

profiling
the recording and analysis of a person's psychological and behavioural characteristics, so as to assess or predict their capabilities in a certain sphere or to assist in identifying categories of people.
You forgot all the sample sentences:
‘we put everyone through psychometric profiling’
‘the police are building up a comprehensive system of offender profiling to assist in the hunt for murderers and rapists’
‘That's been the biggest nut to crack with selling psychological profiling.’
‘The goal of investigative psychology's form of profiling, like all profiling, is to infer characteristics of a criminal based on his or her behavior during the crime.’
‘This company specializes in psychological profiling.’
‘In their search for the sniper, police are relying on psychological profiling to better understand and predict what's going through the sniper's mind.’
‘Despite those late hitches, David Stuttard's new adaptation of Antigone, with its value-added psychological profiling, still emerged triumphant.’
‘There's no psychological profiling or involuntary behavioural modification going on here, just a cassette playing a muffled selection of old dance anthems, the hits of Ibiza '97.’
‘The Israelis also use ethnic and behavioral profiling to spot everything from mules - unwitting accomplices who carry lethal devices - to suicide bombers.’
‘Now, I have spoken to FBI profilers and it is a fascinating subject, but psychological profiling has a relatively limited application.’
‘This is the second myth of ID checks: that identification combined with profiling can be an indicator of intention.’
‘It is important that research continues in order to establish how far profiling could be clinically useful, and it is critical that developments are kept under review.’

Notice a trend here? How none of it is based on something like time and post count?

Gee I wonder why they don't have a specific example of a forum of lunatics that profile their users to certify their intentions.
If "I have to make sure you have the money and I don't hate you before I let you rent a room in my house" is profiling, then profiling means nothing.

daemon

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« Reply #25602 on: August 04, 2018, 04:30:58 PM »
So they're doing profiling, which is the absolute worst type of racism according to them.

Cute.
Wat.

A time and post-count based probationary period to say "You must invest enough time and effort into this account to show us it's not a troll account." is not profiling.

profiling
the recording and analysis of a person's psychological and behavioural characteristics, so as to assess or predict their capabilities in a certain sphere or to assist in identifying categories of people.
You forgot all the sample sentences:
‘we put everyone through psychometric profiling’
‘the police are building up a comprehensive system of offender profiling to assist in the hunt for murderers and rapists’
‘That's been the biggest nut to crack with selling psychological profiling.’
‘The goal of investigative psychology's form of profiling, like all profiling, is to infer characteristics of a criminal based on his or her behavior during the crime.’
‘This company specializes in psychological profiling.’
‘In their search for the sniper, police are relying on psychological profiling to better understand and predict what's going through the sniper's mind.’
‘Despite those late hitches, David Stuttard's new adaptation of Antigone, with its value-added psychological profiling, still emerged triumphant.’
‘There's no psychological profiling or involuntary behavioural modification going on here, just a cassette playing a muffled selection of old dance anthems, the hits of Ibiza '97.’
‘The Israelis also use ethnic and behavioral profiling to spot everything from mules - unwitting accomplices who carry lethal devices - to suicide bombers.’
‘Now, I have spoken to FBI profilers and it is a fascinating subject, but psychological profiling has a relatively limited application.’
‘This is the second myth of ID checks: that identification combined with profiling can be an indicator of intention.’
‘It is important that research continues in order to establish how far profiling could be clinically useful, and it is critical that developments are kept under review.’

Notice a trend here? How none of it is based on something like time and post count?

Gee I wonder why they don't have a specific example of a forum of lunatics that profile their users to certify their intentions.
If "I have to make sure you have the money and I don't hate you before I let you rent a room in my house" is profiling, then profiling means nothing.

It is. Not the money part because that's a transaction and a service should be paid upfront. But getting to know whether you'd hate him or not would be profiling, yes. That's the thing: profiling isn't bad. We do it subsconsciously in every situation of our lifes. I wouldn't shoo anyone because they changed street on a dark night when they spotted someone on a hoodie with their hands on their pockets. Profiling people has a margin of error of course, but when you don't miss, it can end up saving your life in more than one occasion. So what i'm saying is: it's okay to profile people. Just ironic that they think it's such a bad thing when not only do they use it, but they also actively use profiling based tactics to shake down users. PS: I never registered for REEE.

PogiJones

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« Reply #25603 on: August 04, 2018, 04:45:00 PM »
It is. Not the money part because that's a transaction and a service should be paid upfront. But getting to know whether you'd hate him or not would be profiling, yes. That's the thing: profiling isn't bad. We do it subsconsciously in every situation of our lifes. I wouldn't shoo anyone because they changed street on a dark night when they spotted someone on a hoodie with their hands on their pockets. Profiling people has a margin of error of course, but when you don't miss, it can end up saving your life in more than one occasion. So what i'm saying is: it's okay to profile people. Just ironic that they think it's such a bad thing when not only do they use it, but they also actively use profiling based tactics to shake down users. PS: I never registered for REEE.
I mean, I agree with you that profiling isn't always bad. I've made posts about that in the past, that it can be a blurry line:
"Be on the look out for a person."
"Be on the look out for a male."
"Be on the look out for an Asian male."
"Be on the look out for an Asian male about 6 feet tall."
"Be on the look out for an Asian male about 6 feet tall wearing a red hoody."
"Be on the look out for an Asian male about 6 feet tall with pink hair wearing a red hoody."
"Be on the look out for an Asian male about 6 feet tall with pink hair wearing a red hoody and carrying an assault rifle."

Obviously the first is too broad to be effective profiling, and is therefore bad. It sweeps in way too many people. The last is obviously perfectly fine. Where it goes from bad to fine is fuzzy, and subject to subjectivity. But, when you introduce the extremes of the spectrum, virtually everyone will agree that profiling is sometimes good or necessary or useful, and sometimes bad or ineffective.

My main point is that I totally disagree with adopting such a broad definition of profiling that such empirical criteria as post count and time being used to determine the length of a probationary period during which bans are harsher is profiling. That's no different than saying it's profiling to say you have to give us X amount of money to have this product, because it's excluding people who can't or won't give you X amount of money. It's a worthless extension of the definition that makes the word useless.

PogiJones

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« Reply #25604 on: August 04, 2018, 04:58:57 PM »
riotous, back in January: https://www.resetera.com/posts/3723497/
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Having run some semi-active forums; meh.. I'm fine with no moderation discussion. It can really drag a forum down and be a drag on moderators time.

What would be cool is a "complaint forum" where users can submit threads but can't actually view the threads, only moderators have viewing / posting perms outside of creation of OPs. Instead of "PM'ing a moderator" that would instead be a way to submit a general complaint that all of the mod team saw and conveniently had a way to discuss.


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I'm fine with no moderation discussion.
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VomKriege

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25605 on: August 04, 2018, 05:29:36 PM »
Nah I think he's right. I'm not sure anything good ever comes from it, and I haven't seen any board allow it extensively, or if they do it's very narrow and heavily regulated. As I said in a previous message, I think "no open discussion" policy would work fine if forums had more neutral, consistent, codified processes to do so.

The problem is that there's no money in forums to take the pain of coding that shit in or pay moderators and that moderating a small and a large forum is nothing alike but no one will just admit it's time to switch from light hearted familiarity to healthy distance. Especially since e-penis is more often than not the implied reward.

Forum moderation often comes down to the same sort of problem :
Lack of trust (often directed at specific mods who you believe hate your guts), suspicions of double standards (there's always cliques and regulars who get more leniency because boards are social clubs really), arbitrary decisions and appealing often being either absent, opaque or discretionary.

GAF was by far the worst offender I have seen on all counts. ERA is second but at least they toned down the pettiness and cult of personality.
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Propagandhim

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25606 on: August 04, 2018, 05:36:47 PM »
riotous, back in January: https://www.resetera.com/posts/3723497/
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Having run some semi-active forums; meh.. I'm fine with no moderation discussion. It can really drag a forum down and be a drag on moderators time.

What would be cool is a "complaint forum" where users can submit threads but can't actually view the threads, only moderators have viewing / posting perms outside of creation of OPs. Instead of "PM'ing a moderator" that would instead be a way to submit a general complaint that all of the mod team saw and conveniently had a way to discuss.


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I'm fine with no moderation discussion.
:gurl

A no-moderation forum requires a userbase of sane people.   What this guy is asking for is impossible.

edit: Oh it's riotous  :lol :lol
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PogiJones

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25607 on: August 04, 2018, 05:43:03 PM »
Doesn't reddit generally let people complain about mods? Obviously certain subreddits will crack down, but it seems like I've seen tons of admin-criticizing posts upvoted to the front page.

PogiJones

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25608 on: August 04, 2018, 05:45:06 PM »
Either way, I just thought it was funny that he was fine with no moderation discussion, but then joins us here complaining about mods.

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« Reply #25609 on: August 04, 2018, 06:09:55 PM »
Their mods are the biggest babies ever, literally just comments on the internet and they can't handle it and have to SHUT IT DOWN

People that are that tempermental or thin skinned have no business modding anything. Why would you care if some fat loser thinks you're bad at moderating, its not like they're being paid. Couldn't even make it 8 hours lol it's so easy to get them shook

EightBitNate

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25610 on: August 04, 2018, 06:12:10 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-identify-yourself-as-a-gamer.60013/

Do you identify yourself as a Gamer?

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I'm not racist, so...


jorma

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25611 on: August 04, 2018, 06:18:31 PM »
Either way, I just thought it was funny that he was fine with no moderation discussion, but then joins us here complaining about mods.

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What would be cool is a "complaint forum, like the bore" where users can submit threads but can't actually view the threads, only moderators have viewing / posting perms outside of creation of OPs. Instead of "PM'ing a moderator" that would instead be a way to submit a general complaint that all of the mod team saw and conveniently had a way to discuss.

seems legit since all the mods at ree see the complaints in this thread

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« Reply #25612 on: August 04, 2018, 06:28:05 PM »
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« Reply #25613 on: August 04, 2018, 06:33:18 PM »
Yeah sorry. He witnessed someone running over a pedestrian because they were tired of waiting. That sounds like bullshit. He says it like it’s “oh just another day in America. That’s the third one I saw today”. Bullshit

I'm a Puppy!

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25614 on: August 04, 2018, 06:34:35 PM »
que

jorma

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« Reply #25615 on: August 04, 2018, 06:38:06 PM »
Yeah sorry. He witnessed someone running over a pedestrian because they were tired of waiting. That sounds like bullshit. He says it like it’s “oh just another day in America. That’s the third one I saw today”. Bullshit

i always thought that all the fat insulated you from getting hurt by the bumps


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« Reply #25616 on: August 04, 2018, 06:39:27 PM »
do americans use their cheese spray cans in sexual activities?

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Nintex

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« Reply #25617 on: August 04, 2018, 06:40:08 PM »


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"Haven't we all done that?"
"I mean, where is the crime. There is no crime running over someone with your car by accident is no crime."
"Maybe she had to sneeze and her foot slipped from the brakes or maybe she's just bad at driving"
"We can't just go around arresting people who drive bad now, can we? Hohohoohahahahaha"
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nudemacusers

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25618 on: August 04, 2018, 06:43:36 PM »
do americans use their cheese spray cans in sexual activities?

asking for a friend
No but we clap after we have sex and then celebrate by eating mayonnaise and driving heavy duty trucks.
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #25619 on: August 04, 2018, 06:47:36 PM »
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. In Romania some of my fiends got dental work and wisdom teeth taken out and X-rays. It costs them about $20 and they were absolutely fine with no complications. Here it costs hundreds of dollars for just one tooth.

Gotta love how amazing Romania is compared to shit hole america.
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