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[joeboy101]

The thing though is that while bans are spiking, ERA is not ditching a ton of perms / really long bans yet, are they ?

A few months from now it will be clear if they continue to see growth or have reached their userbase cap though it got very slow already without the moderation.

But I think GAF is far too tainted and gone under current ownership to ever recapture large contingents from ERA. It's been said a lot but big forums are a bit of a vestigial affair. Users will flee to Reddit or other platforms, probably.

Are people really come back after a month for being actioned due to bad faith contempt of official mod orders?

There is a reason people get stuck in abusive relationships.

[benjipwns]

Deroir probably didn't think he was being condescending or rude, or that he was mansplaining, but his comments still were those things, and when he was called out by her, he exploded and it was he who played the victim card. I don't understand why she, a woman who has probably suffered of microaggressions such as this, has the obligation of educating people on this topic. This is like asking black people to educate and have patience with racists.

EXPLODED

[BlueTsunami]

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DRIVE BY FEAR MONGERING

Truly the Paul Revere of sexist fearmongering

[benjipwns]

Anyone claiming GamerGate has no involvement here is either hopeless naive, or a GamerGater runniing the ol' "wasn't me" script. It'd be great if the administration here didn't allow the second one to be done, but for a forum founded around the concept of believing woman that have been harassed, it sure seems to have turned it's back on them already and now you have to carefully manage what you say along the lines of the ol "Republicans buy shoes too" shlock. Interesting how in women's issues threads, the women here have to fucking do everything themselves with a bunch of men telling them something isn't happening, with no help from the administration, and the result is Era is losing multiple long time women posters every week because they are fucking tired of having to "careful" with their honesty and viewpoints so that it doesn't hurt the feelings of Era's ad clickers.

Scathing, and really sad if true. (I haven't been participating in a lot of hot button threads. I think YouKnowWhere taught me that was for the best.)

prison? was it prison?

[zomgee]

Were Deroir's comments condescending or rude? Yes. Any comment on professional work from non professionals is condescending outside of requested comments.

 

BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF

Banned: Mongrel Mongering Moderation

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-large-lemon-that-could.54953/

There's something so beautiful about this.

[Flannel Boy]

Take physicians for instance, are you gonna tell him how to do his job for which he or she studied for years, and you have at most read some things in Wikipedia? No, you aren't. Or at least you'd have the decency of trusting his or her experience and not annoy the hell out him or her.

So the physician is male? 

The funny thing is that doctors, who had to endure years of difficult and expense education, get into twitter debates all the time with people about medical topics. But don't politely talk to someone with zero specialised education about writing dialog for a videogame. THE FUCKING NERVE!

[benjipwns]

I thought you were supposed to have a dialogue with your doctor and work together, not say nothing and blindly do whatever they say? Especially when it comes to prescription drugs where the pharmacist acts as yet another check against the doctors decision. Or decisions about surgery which isn't foolproof magic.

I learn a lot from ERA, just more typical moderate media lies. And by media I don't mean any related to gaming. I would never vilify them.

[Leadbelly]

Its a shame "Virtue Signalling" got coopted by rhe far right just like PC/SJW cause the original neutral conception of the term was legitimately useful.

I do find this funny, because what is really meant by 'co-opt' is, people on the right started using the terms, and people on the left stopped using them through fear of being incorrectly identified as a Nazi. I mean, 4chan pretended the OK hand gesture was a symbol of white power and some of those people who swallowed the bait talked about feeling reluctant to do the hand gesture because of it.

It really doesn't take much to 'co-opt' anything.

[benjipwns]

i don't even understand what "original neutral conception of the term" he's talking about, i don't even see how the definition has changed, it's just that people have become skeptical of the signals relation to any actual virtue

[paprikastaude]

User Banned (3 Days): Accusing a journalist of bias against a platform. History of platform warring.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/10320774/

  Put a super finnicky Kotaku protection into your site's rules if you didn't think it was crappy enough yet.

[nachobro]

isn't there a resetti mod/admin that works for kotaku? i thought they were also a big leaker of fake switch news or something too. or am i getting people mixed up?

[Leadbelly]

i don't even understand what "original neutral conception of the term" he's talking about, i don't even see how the definition has changed, it's just that people have become skeptical of the signals relation to any actual virtue

Good point.

I think he means the terms aimed at 'liberals' in general rather than a particular type of person. That said, what someone on RE would say constitutes being a good liberal, and what constitutes an SJW maybe be a little blurry. I do wonder how much of it actually reflects their own world view to begin with. There are plenty of people out there who have no problem using the term despite calling themself a liberal. To have such an aversion to it, as some of them do on RE, just because some people on the right use it, strikes me as hitting a little bit too close to home.

[EightBitNate]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10321687/

Were Deroir's comments condescending or rude? Yes. Any comment on professional work from non professionals is condescending outside of requested comments.

[benjipwns]

Jason Schreier posts there and is like their Daddy P, he hopped on the ERA bandwagon as soon as it was announced, wrote a bunch of news articles talking to the insiders of the revolutionary new forum, is verafled, etc.

[who is ted danson?]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10324028/

User Banned (1 Week): Ignoring Modpost by Vilifying Journalist + Inflammatory Derailment

literally just copy & pasting keywords together now

[nachobro]

Jason Schreier posts there and is like their Daddy P, he hopped on the ERA bandwagon as soon as it was announced, wrote a bunch of news articles talking to the insiders of the revolutionary new forum, is verafled, etc.

maybe that's what it was then. just gotta pander to whoever is giving you attention

[benjipwns]

This is a little off-topic now but I feel like I have to say this here. Mods, saying video game journalism coverage is bad is not a problem and personally it makes me a little sick that you are banning people for speaking out against them.

User Banned (1 Week): Ignoring Modpost by Vilifying Journalist

Right, yes, that would be an example of what he was talking about.

[benjipwns]

There's a reason she lashed out, and it's that she's has already gone through microagressions such as this, even if you didn't take as an attack. Just because, we as men, don't see anything wrong with it, doesn't mean there's nothing bad.

It's like telling an interracial couple that their baby is gonna be beautiful. Seems like an innocuous comment, but it isn't.

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-is-gamergate-support-still-so-prevalent-in-gaming-communities.54984/

GAMERGATE!!!!!

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-is-gamergate-support-still-so-prevalent-in-gaming-communities.54984/

GAMERGATE!!!!!

Because spineless mods don't permanently ban them

[benjipwns]

Because they wrote the playbook on harassment online that is still used from everyone from nazis to assholes of all levels.

[benjipwns]

I remember back in 2013 when there was no harassment online, no Nazi's, no assholes, then GamerGate was invented by Alec Baldwin and the mods never banned him. Instead they made him President Trump.

[joeboy101]

Someone post a copy of this playbook. Does it have pictures?

[BlueTsunami]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10321687/

Were Deroir's comments condescending or rude? Yes. Any comment on professional work from non professionals is condescending outside of requested comments.

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If Price is tweeting without actually wanting to pursue a discussion then her entire twitter feed is essentially a honey pot for well intentioned dweebs

[Drainage]

There's a reason she lashed out, and it's that she's has already gone through microagressions such as this, even if you didn't take as an attack. Just because, we as men, don't see anything wrong with it, doesn't mean there's nothing bad.

It's like telling an interracial couple that their baby is gonna be beautiful. Seems like an innocuous comment, but it isn't.

“Your baby will be beautiful unlike your unpure union”
 

[benjipwns]

It was never addressed by the gaming community at large. the last big attempt to address the issue that gained any traction was when Anita Sarkeesin started a video series on women in games.

what would "addressing it [at large]" even look like? actually before we get to that, what would the goals even look like? what would our success metrics be?

Because racism, homophobia, and misogyny aren't going away

Honestly, it isn't just gaming community. It is the society at large. Gamergate are basically same guys (or if not literally same, then the same type) as neo-nazis, white supremacist, alt-right, etc.

Anita failed us so much.

[Optimus]

I remember back in 2013 when there was no harassment online, no Nazi's, no assholes, then GamerGate was invented by Alec Baldwin and the mods never banned him. Instead they made him President Trump.

Funny thing is that before ~2012 things on the internet were far, FAR worse but no one gave a shit because there weren't so many snowflakes. Telling others to kill themselves or that you'd murder their pet wasn't even considered a "death threat", it was just trolling and people mostly ignored it because they knew they're just empty threats. I've received WAY more "death threats" on the old internet than the new boring one.

[Propagandhim]

I remember back in 2013 when there was no harassment online, no Nazi's, no assholes, then GamerGate was invented by Alec Baldwin and the mods never banned him. Instead they made him President Trump.

Funny thing is that before ~2012 things on the internet were far, FAR worse but no one gave a shit because there weren't so many snowflakes. Telling others to kill themselves or that you'd murder their pet wasn't even considered a "death threat", it was just trolling and people mostly ignored it because they knew they're just empty threats. I've received WAY more "death threats" on the old internet than the new boring one.

It makes me want to kill myself thinking about how bad things have gotten

[benjipwns]

DON'T BE FOOLED, THIS WAS JULY 2007:

[marrec]

now that benji mentions it, the bore could use more death threats.

I have a customer presentation next Tuesday and I'm gunna kill it

[Optimus]

I remember back in 2013 when there was no harassment online, no Nazi's, no assholes, then GamerGate was invented by Alec Baldwin and the mods never banned him. Instead they made him President Trump.

Funny thing is that before ~2012 things on the internet were far, FAR worse but no one gave a shit because there weren't so many snowflakes. Telling others to kill themselves or that you'd murder their pet wasn't even considered a "death threat", it was just trolling and people mostly ignored it because they knew they're just empty threats. I've received WAY more "death threats" on the old internet than the new boring one.

Well the "old internet" was almost entirely people posting anonymously behind usernames and avatars.

Like you'd be insane to use your real name;  early MySpace even was largely people using usernames and whatnot.   There was SOME doxxing but it was far more dififcult.

Then normy non nerds flooded the internet posting under their real name and things changed fast;  not only were they not used to being "trolled" but they revealed too much about themselves.   When you've been on IRC since you were 12 and someone says they'll kill you on a message board under the name SmokesPole420 it doesn't have the same effect as when you are new to the interent posting under your real name and someone else using their real name does the same.

Still largely could be ignored, vast majority of death threats are people being keyboard warriors but things are pretty different.

I mean, they're also doing it for anonymous accounts now, reddit for example is banning people for "death threats"or "harassment" even when it's obviously satire.

[who is ted danson?]

why haven't they shut down the arenanet thread yet? how many reports per minute are the getting?    i expect a sweetnicole sweet threadlock real soon

[Transhuman]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-controversial-arenanet-firings-of-guild-wars-2-writers-read-op.54662/page-50#post-10324526

I don't want to spoil the surprise, but trust me you want to see this ban message

[Cauliflower Of Love]

User Banned (3 Days): Repeated performative + sarcastic trolling

I had to look up performative.

 

[joeboy101]

Oh wow. We got a new ban message and this is a winner:

User Banned (Permanent): Demonstrable misogynistic double-standard as contextualized by infraction history; accumulation of severe infractions

Can I get a Captain Crunch decoder ring to decipher this? Is it like the Magic Eye and I need to look at it cross-eyed?

[joeboy101]

I swear to God I hope they are laughing at The bore in the mod forum there coming up with these ban reasons.

The only answer.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I swear to God I hope they are laughing at The bore in the mod forum there coming up with these ban reasons.

I hope this is the case.


---

"Why didn't she ignore it" Is a bad question to ask, even if you think she's completely in the wrong. This line of questioning is used in bad faith by the worst types of people in legitimate cases of sexual harassment on social media.

 

[Optimus]

Anyway, back to me being extremely pissed off at SJW pieces of shit about TB.

This fucking cunt wrote a hitpiece on TotalBiscuit and had the fucking audacity to even contact his widow to help her with the """"""article""""".

TotalBiscuit's Legacy And The Collateral Damage of GamerGate


Genna Bain responded yesterday:

https://twitter.com/GennaBain/status/1017098664911818753

[who is ted danson?]

As contextualized by the superifilous ridiculousness of your ban epitaphs, we hearby at The Bore believe we are being trolled.  Please respond.

posted to secret discord just now:

[marrec]

Anyway, back to me being extremely pissed off at SJW pieces of shit about TB.

This fucking cunt wrote a hitpiece on TotalBiscuit and had the fucking audacity to even contact his widow to help her with the """"""article""""".

TotalBiscuit's Legacy And The Collateral Damage of GamerGate


Genna Bain responded yesterday:

https://twitter.com/GennaBain/status/1017098664911818753

lol "hit piece"

[Optimus]

lol "hit piece"

Go suck a dick you fucking psychopath.

[BisMarckie]

Jason Schreier posts there and is like their Daddy P, he hopped on the ERA bandwagon as soon as it was announced, wrote a bunch of news articles talking to the insiders of the revolutionary new forum, is verafled, etc.

Jason Schreier is an often cited video games journalist, but sure accuse him of pseudo-journalism.

[Kurt Russell]

Go suck a dick you fucking psychopath.

Go easy on him. čuck life aint easy when you know it's the best you'll ever be able to do.

[marrec]

lol "hit piece"

Go suck a dick you fucking psychopath.

Forbes Contributor: "Here are the facts of Totalbiscuit's life"

Optimus: 

[EightBitNate]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-is-gamergate-support-still-so-prevalent-in-gaming-communities.54984/

GAMERGATE!!!!!

Because spineless mods don't permanently ban them

Is this a subtle dig at TheBore mods for not banning GamerGater and outspoken Neo-Nazi Dennis?

[Nabbis]

Jason Schreier posts there and is like their Daddy P, he hopped on the ERA bandwagon as soon as it was announced, wrote a bunch of news articles talking to the insiders of the revolutionary new forum, is verafled, etc.

Jason Schreier is an often cited video games journalist, but sure accuse him of pseudo-journalism.

He has quite a few nice articles but that Resetera stuff was just garbage and everyone, even they themselves, knew it.

[Drainage]

Totalbiscuit’s entire legacy annihilated by a Forbes Contributor, and he can’t even redeem himself because he is dead.

[Kurt Russell]

Totalbiscuit’s entire legacy annihilated by a Forbes Contributor, and he can’t even redeem himself because he is dead.

Keep on punching up, Soctards

[Optimus]

Go suck a dick you fucking psychopath.

Go easy on him. čuck life aint easy when you know it's the best you'll ever be able to do.

I bet he thinks the real victim is the cunt because it's being called a cunt.

"M'lady must be protected from these scoundrels viciously attacking her just for smearing a deceased cancer victim and contacting his widow to help with the hit piece. Onwards to internet battle!"

[nachobro]

https://twitter.com/MaxTemkin/status/1017086762269716480

What if we email in to complain about him raping people and getting away with it?

[FStop7]

Dear Reset people who are lurking this thread.  In case you missed it, your site has banned over 3,000 people since the middle of April.  Does that sound like a healthy or progressive community?

[stufte]

Anyone who thinks that TB deserves the level of derision that is leveled against him is a fucking moron. People treat him like he was a serial rapist or something. It's fucking insane.

[marrec]

Dear Reset people who are lurking this thread.  In case you missed it, your site has banned over 3,000 people since the middle of April.  Does that sound like a healthy or progressive community?

I mean, if they were banning people like Optimus yes.

[Nabbis]

Anyone who thinks that TB deserves the level of derision that is leveled against him is a fucking moron. People treat him like he was a serial rapist or something. It's fucking insane.

I have not followed this thing much but what are they even whining about? Never watched the dude but apparently he was blunt, agreed with some GG sentiments but at the same time disagreed with the more stupid stuff?

[Drainage]

Anyone who thinks that TB deserves the level of derision that is leveled against him is a fucking moron. People treat him like he was a serial rapist or something. It's fucking insane.

I have not followed this thing much but what are they even whining about?

Ethics in game journalism

[stufte]

Anyone who thinks that TB deserves the level of derision that is leveled against him is a fucking moron. People treat him like he was a serial rapist or something. It's fucking insane.

I have not followed this thing much but what are they even whining about? Never watched the dude but apparently he was blunt, agreed with some GG sentiments but at the same time disagreed with the more stupid stuff?

I'm not here to educate you. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yes, pretty much the gist of it. because he didn't trip over himself to virtue signal against GG early on, he became a pariah. The funny thing is he became hated by GG as well.

[close]

[Optimus]

Dear Reset people who are lurking this thread.  In case you missed it, your site has banned over 3,000 people since the middle of April.  Does that sound like a healthy or progressive community?

I mean, if they were banning people like Optimus yes.

Well, thank God they're keeping sociopathic shutins like you there instead, it's obviously working great. Just look at what a great community it turned out to be!

[VomKriege]

Dear Reset people who are lurking this thread.  In case you missed it, your site has banned over 3,000 people since the middle of April.  Does that sound like a healthy or progressive community?

Sounds like spineless moderation to me.

[BisMarckie]

I still don't know what Gamergate was and what it was all about. And I'm damn happy about that

From what I've gathered from GAF sofar, Gamergate is responsible for the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria.