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Quote from: VomKriege on July 12, 2018, 02:05:08 PMThe thing though is that while bans are spiking, ERA is not ditching a ton of perms / really long bans yet, are they ?A few months from now it will be clear if they continue to see growth or have reached their userbase cap though it got very slow already without the moderation.But I think GAF is far too tainted and gone under current ownership to ever recapture large contingents from ERA. It's been said a lot but big forums are a bit of a vestigial affair. Users will flee to Reddit or other platforms, probably.Are people really come back after a month for being actioned due to bad faith contempt of official mod orders?
The thing though is that while bans are spiking, ERA is not ditching a ton of perms / really long bans yet, are they ?A few months from now it will be clear if they continue to see growth or have reached their userbase cap though it got very slow already without the moderation.But I think GAF is far too tainted and gone under current ownership to ever recapture large contingents from ERA. It's been said a lot but big forums are a bit of a vestigial affair. Users will flee to Reddit or other platforms, probably.
Deroir probably didn't think he was being condescending or rude, or that he was mansplaining, but his comments still were those things, and when he was called out by her, he exploded and it was he who played the victim card. I don't understand why she, a woman who has probably suffered of microaggressions such as this, has the obligation of educating people on this topic. This is like asking black people to educate and have patience with racists.
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QuoteAnyone claiming GamerGate has no involvement here is either hopeless naive, or a GamerGater runniing the ol' "wasn't me" script. It'd be great if the administration here didn't allow the second one to be done, but for a forum founded around the concept of believing woman that have been harassed, it sure seems to have turned it's back on them already and now you have to carefully manage what you say along the lines of the ol "Republicans buy shoes too" shlock. Interesting how in women's issues threads, the women here have to fucking do everything themselves with a bunch of men telling them something isn't happening, with no help from the administration, and the result is Era is losing multiple long time women posters every week because they are fucking tired of having to "careful" with their honesty and viewpoints so that it doesn't hurt the feelings of Era's ad clickers.Scathing, and really sad if true. (I haven't been participating in a lot of hot button threads. I think YouKnowWhere taught me that was for the best.)
Anyone claiming GamerGate has no involvement here is either hopeless naive, or a GamerGater runniing the ol' "wasn't me" script. It'd be great if the administration here didn't allow the second one to be done, but for a forum founded around the concept of believing woman that have been harassed, it sure seems to have turned it's back on them already and now you have to carefully manage what you say along the lines of the ol "Republicans buy shoes too" shlock. Interesting how in women's issues threads, the women here have to fucking do everything themselves with a bunch of men telling them something isn't happening, with no help from the administration, and the result is Era is losing multiple long time women posters every week because they are fucking tired of having to "careful" with their honesty and viewpoints so that it doesn't hurt the feelings of Era's ad clickers.
Quote from: 213372bu on July 12, 2018, 02:21:23 PMQuote from: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2018, 02:12:53 PMQuoteWere Deroir's comments condescending or rude? Yes. Any comment on professional work from non professionals is condescending outside of requested comments. BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARKWOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF
Quote from: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2018, 02:12:53 PMQuoteWere Deroir's comments condescending or rude? Yes. Any comment on professional work from non professionals is condescending outside of requested comments. BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK
QuoteWere Deroir's comments condescending or rude? Yes. Any comment on professional work from non professionals is condescending outside of requested comments.
Were Deroir's comments condescending or rude? Yes. Any comment on professional work from non professionals is condescending outside of requested comments.
There's something so beautiful about this.
Take physicians for instance, are you gonna tell him how to do his job for which he or she studied for years, and you have at most read some things in Wikipedia? No, you aren't. Or at least you'd have the decency of trusting his or her experience and not annoy the hell out him or her.
Quote from: KirblarIts a shame "Virtue Signalling" got coopted by rhe far right just like PC/SJW cause the original neutral conception of the term was legitimately useful.
Its a shame "Virtue Signalling" got coopted by rhe far right just like PC/SJW cause the original neutral conception of the term was legitimately useful.
i don't even understand what "original neutral conception of the term" he's talking about, i don't even see how the definition has changed, it's just that people have become skeptical of the signals relation to any actual virtue
Jason Schreier posts there and is like their Daddy P, he hopped on the ERA bandwagon as soon as it was announced, wrote a bunch of news articles talking to the insiders of the revolutionary new forum, is verafled, etc.
This is a little off-topic now but I feel like I have to say this here. Mods, saying video game journalism coverage is bad is not a problem and personally it makes me a little sick that you are banning people for speaking out against them.
User Banned (1 Week): Ignoring Modpost by Vilifying Journalist
There's a reason she lashed out, and it's that she's has already gone through microagressions such as this, even if you didn't take as an attack. Just because, we as men, don't see anything wrong with it, doesn't mean there's nothing bad.It's like telling an interracial couple that their baby is gonna be beautiful. Seems like an innocuous comment, but it isn't.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-is-gamergate-support-still-so-prevalent-in-gaming-communities.54984/GAMERGATE!!!!!
Because spineless mods don't permanently ban them
Because they wrote the playbook on harassment online that is still used from everyone from nazis to assholes of all levels.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/10321687/QuoteWere Deroir's comments condescending or rude? Yes. Any comment on professional work from non professionals is condescending outside of requested comments.(Image removed from quote.)
QuoteThere's a reason she lashed out, and it's that she's has already gone through microagressions such as this, even if you didn't take as an attack. Just because, we as men, don't see anything wrong with it, doesn't mean there's nothing bad.It's like telling an interracial couple that their baby is gonna be beautiful. Seems like an innocuous comment, but it isn't.
It was never addressed by the gaming community at large. the last big attempt to address the issue that gained any traction was when Anita Sarkeesin started a video series on women in games.
Because racism, homophobia, and misogyny aren't going away
Honestly, it isn't just gaming community. It is the society at large. Gamergate are basically same guys (or if not literally same, then the same type) as neo-nazis, white supremacist, alt-right, etc.
I remember back in 2013 when there was no harassment online, no Nazi's, no assholes, then GamerGate was invented by Alec Baldwin and the mods never banned him. Instead they made him President Trump.
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 03:46:26 PMI remember back in 2013 when there was no harassment online, no Nazi's, no assholes, then GamerGate was invented by Alec Baldwin and the mods never banned him. Instead they made him President Trump.Funny thing is that before ~2012 things on the internet were far, FAR worse but no one gave a shit because there weren't so many snowflakes. Telling others to kill themselves or that you'd murder their pet wasn't even considered a "death threat", it was just trolling and people mostly ignored it because they knew they're just empty threats. I've received WAY more "death threats" on the old internet than the new boring one.
now that benji mentions it, the bore could use more death threats.
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 03:51:04 PMQuote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 03:46:26 PMI remember back in 2013 when there was no harassment online, no Nazi's, no assholes, then GamerGate was invented by Alec Baldwin and the mods never banned him. Instead they made him President Trump.Funny thing is that before ~2012 things on the internet were far, FAR worse but no one gave a shit because there weren't so many snowflakes. Telling others to kill themselves or that you'd murder their pet wasn't even considered a "death threat", it was just trolling and people mostly ignored it because they knew they're just empty threats. I've received WAY more "death threats" on the old internet than the new boring one.Well the "old internet" was almost entirely people posting anonymously behind usernames and avatars.Like you'd be insane to use your real name; early MySpace even was largely people using usernames and whatnot. There was SOME doxxing but it was far more dififcult.Then normy non nerds flooded the internet posting under their real name and things changed fast; not only were they not used to being "trolled" but they revealed too much about themselves. When you've been on IRC since you were 12 and someone says they'll kill you on a message board under the name SmokesPole420 it doesn't have the same effect as when you are new to the interent posting under your real name and someone else using their real name does the same.Still largely could be ignored, vast majority of death threats are people being keyboard warriors but things are pretty different.
User Banned (3 Days): Repeated performative + sarcastic trolling
User Banned (Permanent): Demonstrable misogynistic double-standard as contextualized by infraction history; accumulation of severe infractions
I swear to God I hope they are laughing at The bore in the mod forum there coming up with these ban reasons.
"Why didn't she ignore it" Is a bad question to ask, even if you think she's completely in the wrong. This line of questioning is used in bad faith by the worst types of people in legitimate cases of sexual harassment on social media.
As contextualized by the superifilous ridiculousness of your ban epitaphs, we hearby at The Bore believe we are being trolled. Please respond.
Anyway, back to me being extremely pissed off at SJW pieces of shit about TB. This fucking cunt wrote a hitpiece on TotalBiscuit and had the fucking audacity to even contact his widow to help her with the """"""article""""".TotalBiscuit's Legacy And The Collateral Damage of GamerGateGenna Bain responded yesterday:https://twitter.com/GennaBain/status/1017098664911818753
lol "hit piece"
Go suck a dick you fucking psychopath.
Quote from: marrec on July 12, 2018, 04:30:51 PMlol "hit piece"Go suck a dick you fucking psychopath.
Quote from: Averon on July 12, 2018, 03:40:51 PMhttps://www.resetera.com/threads/why-is-gamergate-support-still-so-prevalent-in-gaming-communities.54984/GAMERGATE!!!!!QuoteBecause spineless mods don't permanently ban them
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 03:34:33 PMJason Schreier posts there and is like their Daddy P, he hopped on the ERA bandwagon as soon as it was announced, wrote a bunch of news articles talking to the insiders of the revolutionary new forum, is verafled, etc.Jason Schreier is an often cited video games journalist, but sure accuse him of pseudo-journalism.
Totalbiscuit’s entire legacy annihilated by a Forbes Contributor, and he can’t even redeem himself because he is dead.
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:32:25 PMGo suck a dick you fucking psychopath.Go easy on him. čuck life aint easy when you know it's the best you'll ever be able to do.
Dear Reset people who are lurking this thread. In case you missed it, your site has banned over 3,000 people since the middle of April. Does that sound like a healthy or progressive community?
Anyone who thinks that TB deserves the level of derision that is leveled against him is a fucking moron. People treat him like he was a serial rapist or something. It's fucking insane.
Quote from: stufte on July 12, 2018, 05:03:14 PMAnyone who thinks that TB deserves the level of derision that is leveled against him is a fucking moron. People treat him like he was a serial rapist or something. It's fucking insane.I have not followed this thing much but what are they even whining about?
Quote from: stufte on July 12, 2018, 05:03:14 PMAnyone who thinks that TB deserves the level of derision that is leveled against him is a fucking moron. People treat him like he was a serial rapist or something. It's fucking insane.I have not followed this thing much but what are they even whining about? Never watched the dude but apparently he was blunt, agreed with some GG sentiments but at the same time disagreed with the more stupid stuff?
Quote from: FStop7 on July 12, 2018, 05:02:08 PMDear Reset people who are lurking this thread. In case you missed it, your site has banned over 3,000 people since the middle of April. Does that sound like a healthy or progressive community?I mean, if they were banning people like Optimus yes.
