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[paprikastaude]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gameumentary-kingdom-come-deliverance-documentary.57542/

Video in which the Kingdom Come Nazi developers reject the REEE narrative about them while sappy music plays, but no one bites? I guess they are all busy killing each other in today's bitch thread.

[BlueTsunami]

Manas butthole puckered

[team filler]

manabyte annihilated

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/page-23#post-10750879

We're not hateful enough to make the cut 

[benjipwns]

Would it be possible to maybe have a sub forum
For many of these issues that women don’t feel they can safely talk about in off topic, which has even stricter moderation? Or entrance requirements?

yes, yes, let's have a...concentration forum for all the women

[BisMarckie]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10750879/

Agreed. Seeing someone banned for “cross forum drama” while the posters who also participate on boards dedicated to the mocking and harassment of posters here are left alone made me blink

marrec and Dennis annihilated



You are now morally obligated to like this post Benji.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

spoiler (click to show/hide)

sweet benji owes me a like now. . One day I'll call it in, one day....

[close]

[benjipwns]

i really like how many posters actually think another sub forum that's more aggressively moderated and restrictive is somehow a solution

[benjipwns]

alright we're going to debate dating/marrying trans people now along with what socialism means

[paprikastaude]

Just what is it with the male dominance on enthusiast forums about a nerd industry whose latest hot toy had a confirmed 90/10 male/female split in its userbase??

[bork]

female

 

[agrajag]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gameumentary-kingdom-come-deliverance-documentary.57542/

Video in which the Kingdom Come Nazi developers reject the REEE narrative about them while sappy music plays, but no one bites? I guess they are all busy killing each other in today's bitch thread.

'

User banned (permanent): Referring to the "Era's women problem" thread as a bitch thread. Prior history of sexism and misogyny, account in junior phase. You ain't slick.

also using alt-right hate icons

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-over-anakin.57590/

User Banned (Permanent): Sexist commentary, history of severe infractions.

Watched the video twice for that juicy booty on the right

Basically do not say shit about a women's figure no matter what lol

[thetylerrob]

Just what is it with the male dominance on enthusiast forums about a nerd industry whose latest hot toy had a confirmed 90/10 male/female split in its userbase??

95% of gamers ** are leftist females! Look up the facts from the ESA!

[BisMarckie]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10751307/

Brogressive is a pretty good name for it.

Have we entered a time loop? Is it 2016 again?

YAAAS QUEEN!

[benjipwns]

Progressivism is just a vehicle for people here to shit on religious and social conservatives, not to help the weak and marginalised, which is the backbone of progressivism

wut

[benjipwns]

thanks for making your comments public too. i think moderation needs to be more active here. it's good that you can report individual posts, but the onus shouldn't always be on members to call it out. having to report a lot of shit posts is frankly tiring. and while you do sometimes, you don't always get a reason for why the post in question didn't lead to a warn/ban.

[Straight Edge]

"This conversation is poisoned by the fact that one of the triumphs and failures of Democrats in the US is teaching their kids that progressivism is good, but not what progressivism is. So everyone who believes themselves fundamentally good (an idea common among conservatives) will proudly say "I consider myself a progressive", but if I ask them "would you marry a MtF trans woman, why or why not?" they likely wouldn't be able to explain or really elucidate on their feelings, or maybe never even grappled with the question. Not saying that a person must be willing to date/marry transwomen to be progressive, but that this is one of the central ideas of gender non-binariness and if you can't even comprehend that how can you really call yourself a progressive?"

[BisMarckie]

they get locked out of the main forum and instantly moved into the quarantine forum, AKA LittleBoyEra.

We can make that happen can’t we?

Amir0x right now:

[agrajag]

Progressivism is just a vehicle for people here to shit on religious and social conservatives, not to help the weak and marginalised, which is the backbone of progressivism

wut

Thing A is very shitty, which goes against the very nature of thing A.

[Jansen]

Your opinion is completely meaningless.

When the minorities are constantly walking out of the forum for its lack of moderation, that says enough.

Boo hoo please make this hugbox leak proof

[benjipwns]

Your opinion is completely meaningless.

When the minorities are constantly walking out of the forum for its lack of moderation, that says enough.

[benjipwns]

The problem is when people have surface level knowledge but are certain they know everything.

we're doomed

[Drainage]

I just perused shower elf’s “other forums” Bore impersonation thread. We have to get this Redneckerz guy over here, stat. The one thing I learned from Lore is that word count bolsters credibility.

Alright folks, got back from having a nicely deserved holiday. Shit was good. Like i said i did pick up on some things whilst abroad (Usually at night) so that's something i would want to analyse later on.

But just reading through these last few pages, i do notice a paradigm shift in responding. It is less about discussion and nuance and more about lets throw some matches towards other forums and see which one burns. I understand the need to vent (As thats why this thread even exists in the first place!) but just from me personally (And in no way does anyone have to abide by this!), lets take on a more journalistic approach. If we want a GAF 3.0 the right way, is it a good thing then to deliver commentary that is less about nuanced commentary and more just baseless rants? We should set an example, not just be a less extreme parrot of other sites, right?

Just my 2 cents on this matter. Again, feel free to ignore this, its just something i wanted to push out. I think providing analysis on certain ERA threads is worthwhile, provided they are taken with care. Just a simple ''lol look at this soy boi'' or oneliner commentary is not my way of play, as it just creates hostility among forums. Remember, its not all of ERA that is problematic. Its that little group of staff and members that make the site have the name that it has. Even without any of the places reporting and shaming on it around, in the end they make the posts. They make the kind of decisions that even regular members on the site itself don't understand. They are responsible for upholding a policy that isn't transparent at all. The only thing transparent is in how The Names and their Little Helpers enforce this policy, by way of baiting, selective ignoring, disinterest, and actively forfeiting the few pillars that would make the moderation a ''fair'' deal instead of an ''unfair'' playground. In the end, these actions are solely theirs, no matter how much they want to redelegate this to other places.

Its like The Names steal a candy bar, the security camera sees this and yet you decide to blame the cashier for stealing the bar when she confronts you with this. This is literally The Names and their Little Helpers in a nutshell. The whole action of stealing in this hypothetical situation is solely on ERA, and not on the security camera or the cashier who confronts you about it.

As long as this narrative and movement and policy continues to exist, then they won't get anywhere. As long as it isnt realized that the actions they perform are negative in nature and only serve to maintain a microcosmos of toxicity, fear, and hostility, then all this will do is make the name ''RESETERA'' be one of extreme negativity. *

*And gender in this makes no difference, before The Names would tell you otherwise. This is simple human-to-human interaction, genderneutral.

JORMBO said:
I don’t have any myself since I haven’t posted there in awhile. It was pretty common for a user to post something against the accepted viewpoint of a thread and get dogpiled. They would try to reply to a few posts, but it would be impossible to reply to them all. Then people would complain that the user was selectively replying to posts and they would get in trouble.

I also remember a user complaining a few months ago about some posts and a mod suggesting they put people they do not care for on ignore. The user then mentioned he got warned once for not replying to a debate. But he didn’t see the debate because he had blocked a few people due to a previous thread. I can’t remember which thread this was in since it has been awhile.
Click to expand...I agree that when OP's have a weird or strange premise (Or happen to have a view against what The Names want), dogpiling is one of the first things that occurs. Oddly enough, there was a thread early on (Say February) where a lot of members would comment how this is actually one of their biggest pet peeves on that forum. If that is the case, then you would think that this kind of thing gets to be actioned more than others. But as is readily apparent, dogpiling is a thing that happens a lot over there. That doesnt mean GAF is innocent, however: We too committed this crime.

That being said, this whole ''Mods will threaten users if they wont reply within a certain amount of time'' theory needs more detail. I do agree that users would pile on OP's or other users with discerning thoughts but i'd really like to see some evidence for the italic part here.

DeepEnigma said:
Nobody expects article authors to hang around their comments sections and engage, so I fail to see the issue with an OP having to engage instantly from posting an article that they did not write in the first place.
Agreed, but on forum OP's, it is definitely very irritating when an OP posts something with little effort or is deliberately contrarian. I usually flag those posts (And occassionally it gets dealt with on ERA, but a lot of times a report simply gets no response. Apparently its the amount of report that makes a case been taken seriously rather than the report itself) but more often than not when a OP has a confusing premise, it often happens that context is only given by the OP in a later stage. Hence why i flagg these threads, i feel that if you are going to make a thread on a serious topic, you atleast put all the context in. There are OP's on ERA (Such as this and this) that are the living definition of lacking effort and failing to adher to the show some effort clause but yet they get no flags whatsoever. My report on that latter thread was:
''It contains nothing of indepth discussion and only has people responding with hot takes, goes against Show Some Effort clause and is a reaction thread. The same applies here. Its just a oneliner post disguised as a thread to ''bait'' people into commenting. I have seen (this user) do this consistently now and although you guys decide, i am not so sure if you would want this kind of thread to exist, even on Etcetera as it is so low quality.''
But why stop there? There are various threads (And this post: Beware, might kick your CPU HARD. Just this post somehow throws my fans into overdrive) that clearly have very little effort applied to them, but none of them get flagged. This last user in particular is doing this ever so often aswell. In my eyes, this is an issue a transparent member of The Names would pick up and improve upon. As it stands now, low-effort posting over there is rewarding, as long as:
It is dumb
It is dumb/pretends to be funny/vague (Like this thread) which i reported to (But got nothing from, ofcourse) with:
''Low effort thread, not in line with the FAQ clause ''Show some Effort'', game character isnt exact the most known one, seems like a typical first timer thread where no context is undertaken.''
It is dumb
We are just having fun!
On a wholy different topic, seeing as the place is having so many trans people around, you would think that The Names who love actioning their own trans kin for being transphobic would be all up in hurrah's when Nicole Haines was cast as the first transgender superhero to play a role in the DC Entertainment superhero series Supergirl. I would expect atleast multiple pages with people cheering, especially from known trans Little Helpers who love telling others on how people should act when engaging in a conversation with trans people.

But as of this writing, that thread barely has hit 40 posts. It should also be worth pointing out that most of these posts are reactions, and not actually discussing the topic at hand. Makes sense given how any nuanced commentary will likely see a The Names bot checking you out. (Okay i am ridiculing here but the fact most posts are just oneliner commentaries.) So much for pushing trans acceptance, as this is the kind of news that you would want to have 20+ pages of discussion over. THIS IS THAT KIND OF THREAD, MEMBERS OF THE NAMES AND THE LITTLE HELPERS. But it gets ignored. Even Sterling Archer asking how the trans community feels about trans actors playing roles who are also trans gets unheard of. But i reckon The Little Helpers are just tired of explaining ''the same issue over and over again to men, PoC to white people, trans people to cis people, etc. You tend to get frustrated and exhausted. Especially when there's literally a trans 101 thread somewhere on this board, and also google searches take very little time.'', i reckon. That, or well.. you and others are doing this for a reason. (being a baiting Little Helper, that is.)

DeepEnigma said:
The 'like buttons' here are a welcoming feature, since not everything garners a response other than the most simplest of agreements sometimes.
Its a bit of a double edged sword. I understand the not responding part, but i think the like system also enables people to just like simple oneliners instead of an more extensive reply that is more likely to nuance the situation better. It does not really promote critical thought and discussion, in my eyes. And when it comes to more serious issues, isnt that what you would want? I mean, that is one of the main gripes with the Facebook like system anyway, so its not like this is uncommon. Just saying

Claus Grimhildyr said:
An angry little man child who created an echo chamber to further his own political bias.
For reference: This is what i mean with the like feature. This gets a lot of likes because people agree with it, but it lacks much to back it up. I do know the head admin of ERA did some questionable posting, but i can't comment on much else. This is where i would want something to back up what is written. (Don't worries Claus still love you lots xx )

Skyn3t said:
At least their mod team is as diverse, as it can get.
Diversity does not equal quality. Just because The Names are diverse and varied obviously does not mean the quality of their moderation is good at all. In my opinion, you select moderators based on their skill and their qualities, not because they represent some kind of minority or a specific gender. That literally has zero relevance to a forum where posts are written in text. Given the recent additions, its clear The Names don't pick new staff based on skill or qualities, but just how much you support the kind of militrans policy that is at play here. It is a damn shame that they continue this behavior with the recent additions. I feel there is little awareness on how maintaining that ambiance comes across. Not just to outside sources, but certainly amongst their own members.

BraveOne said:
The hypocrisy here is amazing
I tend to agree halfway here. But for that, read my beginning of the post here This should also tell you how i myself view feedback and criticism on ERA.

Arkhan said:
It is only public as a compilation of doxxing material posted to a self described shitlord board, so yes. It exists to mock and harass people on a personal level. There are several warnings in this thread about this behavior. There is one in the title and the OP. I have already personally warned you about this behavior. Posting peoples pictures to laugh at is the definition of making it personal. If you want to attack people personally, doxx them and shit on images of them trawled from their social media accounts, then do it somewhere else. GAF will not tolerate that behavior.
Thank you. This is exactly why i went against linking to a thread where all this public information is stored on certain The Names users. They don't need to be shamed for who they are and what they do, but they should be critiqued at their own actions. Its also why i am getting mixed impressions on the Banbot over at Kiwi. Crunklord extends the bot more and more with all kinds of (useful) data, but by including more and more metadata, you are coming close to that grey area where it seems its less about collecting statistics and the angle (Despite doing nothing i believe that is anything illegal, the bot just collects data that the community makes) seems more shifted to a less positive tone. Like i said, they don't do anything wrong, but you can question how much stats you actually need to prove a point. Some of the stuff included definitely seems overkill to me which is why i speak of a shifted angle and a grey area.

The reason why i put so much emphasis on evidence in this case is the way of acting is vastly different. This is logical: The admin was just a poster here, albeit very prevalent. There the user is the originator of the ship, the person who keeps the cogwheels in place and the train track supply on-going. As such, his role as a user has shifted: From contributor to founder. As such, i want to focus on the founder version of his persona, as i am not aware of his identity politics/outrage kind of thing. And to that, i imagine that he has to work a lot behind-the-scenes, dealing with things the average user does not see, much like Evilore. As such, although i have no real proper reason to, i figure that the admin is more or less unaware of what The Names do with his site. I say more or less because his LLC did take a hammer upon the old banbot, which may suggest otherwise.

That being said, it is readily apparent that the ''good samaritan'' period was only brief and From February onwards (Or perhaps even earlier), things started to progress more heavily downwards. But, and this is where i would need confirmation from, i don't specifically believe that the admin is the root cause of these matters, but rather, The Names being given a lot of influence over things they should not preside at. Whether or not the admin actively knows of this is a question we can only see answered by way of PM's, which, in practice, would constitute a doxxing, which obviously is what we won't do.

Spoiler

I will say this though. That Discord screenshot of the admin talking with an EX-GAF mod definitely was strange enough that you would think it was fake - Until it was confirmed as being real. With that said, i can understand the phrasings you have given here, as they do play in into that screenshot from back then. Heck, it may very well be the case that the admin is secretly the driving force behind The Names holding absolute power as its founder. There are definitely some signs that paint a less positive picture here, but until then, all it is, is a smoking gun. And whilst smoking guns often may be true, they can be wrong. Likely i am choosing a more positive note out of plain naiveity, but all in all, i wish ERA and GAF would walk on equal footing, one day. All GAF can do is take lessons from the past and improve upon it. ERA, and specifically The Names and their Little Helpers, yet lack the history to realize these things. Which is good, by the way. Change has to occur before they can understand that their way of doing things is less than optimal. Not saying that GAF's is pitch perfect, mind you.

The Names need to be subject to change. As do their Little Helpers. Building a community based out of passive aggression, dogpiling and whistling, and militant policies is not a community that can foster healthy relationships with other sites, nor can it be transparent, unless with transparent they refer to the old Soviet style of transparency in the way that you knew what you were going into with the Soviets. The same thing applies here. It is transparent in the sense that you can expect their behavior, in negative sense. The key decider for their place will be if they are able to change that to a more positive tune.

Skyn3t said:
@Redneckerz a nicely rounded and well put opinion, mate. Was a pleasure to read.

Regarding trans people, GAF is the first place where I encountered so much talk about this mental disorder. Well, I guess it's a hot narrative in the States right now.
Thank you, fan of The Terminator films.
FWIW, i don't think trans is a mental defect, but ive written at lengths about this topic already. Just so you know, there is a reason why i distinguish it as militrans, because i consider this as not beneficial for trans acceptance whatsoever, contrary to what they believe and think.

Skyn3t said:
The medical psychiatry field defines it as mental disorder, so... Who are we to argue?

BTW Terminator 1 & 2 are classics, one of the best movies in the genre, I'd even argue that the sequel is easily in the TOP50 movies all time and be 1 when it comes to sci-fi action flicks. Such a fucking shame that the franchise was ruined after Cameron left the steer.
I know it says that, but i don't treat that as absolute. This is also on a per-person basis. Its why i made the distinguishment in the first place. Even so, they should get proper support. But again, i have written on this earlier in this very thread. I am just saying, those Little Helpers over there aren't pushing for the kind of acceptance that you would want

prag16 said:
This thread is a treasure, it has it all: https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/

Apparently the safe space isn't safe enough for some people's liking. Then there are a ton of people praising the mods as being fair and 'central' with bans being well thought out.

And that grain of truth in the OP about how the some of the white knights there like to trot out minorities to exploit them in order to bludgeon some opponent in an argument (with that being the focus more than actually giving a shit about the minorities in question).

The consensus seems to be building in the thread that the issue with Era that needs to be fixed, is that the moderation is not strict/harsh enough. Yes! That's it. THAT'S the problem! That's the ONLY problem!! -_-
Click to expand...Again, i like how that gets gets over 150 views and the Nicole Maines thing gets literally just a fraction of that. Ofcourse it is written by a Little Helper. And ofcourse this is another one of those honeypot threads as is apparent by the ''This will probably get locked right off the bat but oh well.'' Like yeah, but nah.. But lets provide some commentary here, just to the OP, because since writing the amount of replies literally quadrupled.

What i find problematic on the OP is that she states: ''I had no idea the "please don't call women females" thread was going to blow up like it did, but apparently the idea of a woman politely requesting that men not refer to them in a demeaning way is unacceptable to some people on here.'' This is what i find very disingenous sounding, especially considering that OP was very lacking in content and was: ''I see this everywhere and it really rustles my jimmies, but never more than when I see dudes say "men" and "females" in the same sentence. Really says a lot about how they view women. Shit's dehumanising as fuck. If you refer to women as females please consider: 1) thinking about why you do that and 2) not doing it anymore.''

The whole ''Really says a lot about how they view women'' shtick is just bad faith bait posting. Come on, you really think such an OP lacking in content and with such a toxic pre-text is going to help foster a discussion where the thread does not have to be locked for review?

You know what my problem with this is? Its because the OP assumes that women IRL actually find this problematic. In Dutch, you don't even have different phrasings AFAIK for ''women'' as in Dutch, ''women'' is called vrouwen. When translated back, we tend to call them females. And a girl is a meisje. A young woman literally is Een jonge vrouw. There arent multiple words for the same phrasing here. Even so, how often don't you get told: ''How are you guys doing'', even by a woman? Oh right, but this argument is a false equivalency and a warnable offense. And no, women on ResetERA aren't what i would call a significant portion of women, unless women somehow are scared to tell up about this (And if that's the case, Proof it instead of making a baiting statement). Nor does it help that disagreeing with these views by a mod is somehow ''ignoring a mod post, repeatedly dismissing the concerns of others. History of infractions.'' and thus worthy of a 2 week ban.

In the end, this post tells it best:
''This forum is full of people with either poor grammar, different levels of education, from different parts of the world/cultures, and/or who may speak a different primary language in addition to people posting on cell phones. We could become offended by a number of ways that people are composing their posts. But, because it looks offending to you does not always mean that it is being committed maliciously by the other person. Ultimately, the word is a noun or an adjective, so they are not incorrect. It could be wise for the reader to read the pragmatics of the content in addition to the grammar of the text prior to becoming offended. ''
Its almost like having a little empathy (This is a reference to my link under the name ''Another thread'' slightly further in this post.) wouldn't be hurtful, and in fact, may be the solution to the entire issue OP is experiencing.

The most degrading aspect on this is how all this somehow is dehumanizing. Yes, i am sure that when in casual smalltalk, or when you are redecorating your home your male/female/trans friend helps you out and asks: ''Hey guys can one of you help me out?'' you will go on stating how that is dehumanizing. What is argued, holds little ground to IRL, unless you tend to live with people who get upset over very tiny things. And to call that dehumanizing, it seems a bit.. much, no?*

It also does not really help that there is another thread going on with similar views. Its also a very similar kind of thread (Honeypot). Personally, glad to know that as a man i don't consider myself someone that needs to act manly or macho. Simply being friendly goes a long way. That a lot of others don't is none of my concern. But ranting about it on a forum surely isn't going to help anyone, unless you just want support. Which, in this case, is more hollow than actually helpful.

*It is essentially what i said here:
''Its a bit like that being offended at naming people females - Why do you think regular Joe's don't make this such an issue despite it (potentially) being an incorrect usage of the term? Its because in the end its a tale of two semantics, and in regular daily life, (most) people don't get worked up over semantics this much. That's why most people react to that thread with awe, because imagine making this kind of a fuss in real life in a crowd. That's why its redelegated to a place where The Names and their Little Helpers can give this kind of thing a podium.''
Once more, the people there assume bad intent when they speak of empathy. Empathy comes in a lot of shapes and sizes, taking what is the equivalent of a semantics argument and a discussion on something as correct adjectives and nouns should not be a justification to paint with such a broad brush. Link to some actual evidence to strengthen your position, instead of saying that men do this and then leave it at that. You can't expect perfect mastery of the English language as a requirement to the way people phrase things. And in the end, that is what it is: PHRASING.

I do want to end it with this closing statement by that OP:
''Any discussion of the struggles we faced is turned around so that it somehow becomes our fault.''
If this is legit a struggle, then what one needs isnt posting on a forum where you already get aided by The Names by way of bans, templocking threads and actions to protect your feelings, nor should you sollicitite to the position of Little Helper. If you truly feel these things damage and affect you in a significant way, then you might need (proper) help. And i am not saying that just to shun the discussion, i am just saying that being so worked up over this that you dedicated two threads and multiple posts on this matter is an unhealthy business (Much like how my reporting is equally unhealthy lol).

Also, just ending with ''But not all men are like this. But enough that is a problem.'' does not really help for the intent of your thread, which clearly isn't done in good faith. If it is problematic enough that it affects you deeply, you would be actively doing something on this IRL, protesting, trying to make change. Making multiple threads on a forum ruled by yes-mans (Or is this phrasing problematic too, hmm?) is not done to actively remedy your issue. Nah, the root is far more simple - Its validation. And thankfully The Names will happily help this Little Helper out, by keeping its thread open - contrary to the OP, who geniunely thought it would be locked. /s.

EDIT: Since making this post, that thread has shifted from 150 replies to 700 replies. If that isn't honeypotting a thread, i don't know what is.

[BisMarckie]

So you are literally complaining that the oppressors are not allowed to make threads further oppressing people who already feel unwelcome on this forum because of you

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10749248/


THREADS FURTHER OPPRESSING PEOPLE

[stufte]

Documentary on the development of a video game:

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10751484/

Does the documentary address the topic of rising nationalism in the Czech Republic and how national identity is formed these days?

 

And they wonder why people talk shit.

 

[Jansen]

They're doing a really good job of disapproving that hysterical woman trope

[benjipwns]

And now Brogressive has entered Era’s vernacular. Praise be.

If anything, it’s a very good shorthand term for what’s going on here.

[benjipwns]

As for how to address the issue, I think a couple things could be done in order to help promote better discourse.

Overall, I think that bans need to be more strict. I don't think three day bans or one week bans are truly effective at doing much of anything. I think that, at the very least, the bare minimum should be a month. Also, a zero-tolerance policy should be instituted for hate speech and misogyny.

I think that it would also be helpful for members that have been previously banned to have their previous bans displayed on their profiles accompanied by the reason for said ban. Oftentimes I'll see mods state that the user had a history of prior infractions when receiving a permanent ban, but that's something that really only the moderators would be aware of unless a poster actively knows about what bans the member has received in the past. I think that making this visible to the user would let the someone know if someone is actually worth arguing/engaging with, or let them know if said user has had a history of arguing in bad faith/trolling/drive-by posting in the past.

on profile recipes

[stufte]

The fact that Anita Sarkeesian and The Mary Sue are bitching about the Buffy reboot makes me sooooooo happy. I love how they are complaining about the exact same shit that people complained about with recent reboots is beautiful. They don't see their hypocrisy though...

[BlueTsunami]

Oh we onto the scarlet letter phase of a message board

[benjipwns]

Don't just ignore people who make the site worse, fuck them into the sea.

newsfeed

[Averon]

The biggest reason for so many 'fake progressives' on Reee is due to peer pressure. If there's one thing ERA (and formerly GAF) was good at, it is making sure you know what the "correct" opinion on any topic is, especially if it involves politics, social issues, etc...people just picked up on that and played up their progressive credentials to avoid getting banned. Half of the outrage on Reee are from people playing up their persona as this super woke ally when in reality they aren't nearly as 'out there' as the true believers on Reee think they are.

[benjipwns]

I support the OP in this view - I've actually cut back in my posting and reading of OT due to the uptick in misogynist and racist commentary in threads. And I'm hardly some shrinking violet, since I've probably been dealing with guys being dicks on the internet longer than some of you all have been alive. But when you got a limited time left on this Earth, it's hard to slog through all the dismissive hot takes from both trolls and misguided kids.

The problem is, after all the nonsense with people getting fired over tweets and other community responses, I don't really feel safe to share any of my true opinions around here as a woman. And that sucks. Fighting for equality and respect these days can be twisted into a thoughtcrime by nefarious people, and I wish I knew how we could reverse this trend together.

Maybe we should leverage the fact that this is a gaming site and gamify the system. Compassion Achievements for reasonable discourse? Requiring people to play through some games about empathy and minorities to be reinstated after a ban?

[paprikastaude]

As for how to address the issue, I think a couple things could be done in order to help promote better discourse.

Overall, I think that bans need to be more strict. I don't think three day bans or one week bans are truly effective at doing much of anything. I think that, at the very least, the bare minimum should be a month. Also, a zero-tolerance policy should be instituted for hate speech and misogyny.

I think that it would also be helpful for members that have been previously banned to have their previous bans displayed on their profiles accompanied by the reason for said ban. Oftentimes I'll see mods state that the user had a history of prior infractions when receiving a permanent ban, but that's something that really only the moderators would be aware of unless a poster actively knows about what bans the member has received in the past. I think that making this visible to the user would let the someone know if someone is actually worth arguing/engaging with, or let them know if said user has had a history of arguing in bad faith/trolling/drive-by posting in the past.

on profile recipes

this is funny considering how often reeee-people compare every other trivial shit to the yellow star badge in national socialism. now they want to brand the bad faithers though who at this point wouldn't have at least several warnings on his sleeve?

[BisMarckie]

Oh we onto the scarlet letter phase of a message board

Users who were identified as Bore users have to use this as their avatar.

[BlueTsunami]

Oh we onto the scarlet letter phase of a message board

Users who were identified as Bore users have to use this as their avatar.

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I'd wear that with pride

[Leadbelly]

"This conversation is poisoned by the fact that one of the triumphs and failures of Democrats in the US is teaching their kids that progressivism is good, but not what progressivism is. So everyone who believes themselves fundamentally good (an idea common among conservatives) will proudly say "I consider myself a progressive", but if I ask them "would you marry a MtF trans woman, why or why not?" they likely wouldn't be able to explain or really elucidate on their feelings, or maybe never even grappled with the question. Not saying that a person must be willing to date/marry transwomen to be progressive, but that this is one of the central ideas of gender non-binariness and if you can't even comprehend that how can you really call yourself a progressive?"

Those people who believe themselves fundamentally good, what fools they are. lol

This brings me back to that Alan Watts video I posted earlier in this thread. I see what he is talking about in this.

The title is misleading. This youtube comment explains what he is really talking about quite well.

The title is misleading. If you understand Alan Watts conversation, I think he is saying there is no way to contact your "higher self" because it is not real. It is a thought. Your ego plays a game, subconsciously, of one-up-man-ship to outwit yourself. The "higher self" is just a thought or concept masked by a hopeful illusion. In an attempt to be a better person you end up with a pious ego trying to be better than others. You end up eventually getting in your own way of real improvement (which happens naturally by its own merit) when you try too hard to better yourself because the attempts are inherently conceited. Remember, Alan Watts is a theologian, not a New Ager.

[agrajag]

Oh we onto the scarlet letter phase of a message board

Users who were identified as Bore users have to use this as their avatar.

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I'd wear that with pride

We could wear those at the Taco-Slut-Walk

[benjipwns]

It becomes an issue when you (general, not specific "you") attempt to lecture people on a topic you're not well versed in, which happens a lot here and elsewhere (this is what mansplain refer to), and why the OP made this thread in the first place, challenging whether this forum can be truly be described as "progressive" if people are allowed to pass off their uninformed opinions as though they had the same weight and heft as informed ones.

[bork]

The fact that Anita Sarkeesian and The Mary Sue are bitching about the Buffy reboot makes me sooooooo happy. I love how they are complaining about the exact same shit that people complained about with recent reboots is beautiful. They don't see their hypocrisy though...

"It's nothing like Ghostbusters 2016 at all!" 

[benjipwns]

You totally do not understand the question posted in front of you, but thanks for the inputm

You're being rude for someone asking for help with a language you're clearly not very skilled in.

If you actually want to learn the language well I'd suggest being nicer to people trying to help you.

But by all means if you don't want to learn, why not go to a nice Catholic pub in Derry and start telling people about "high English." I'm sure they'll understand when you refuse to listen to what they are saying.

tolerance for minorities and their difficulties

[headwalk]

i'm still waiting for this fella to make his presence known:

[nudemacusers]

Thread has entered the dismissive labeling/why do you an issue with being labeled/you’re worse than the alt right stage 

[benjipwns]

Yeah those all work in tandem well accept yours... funny that.

oh, interesting.

drop me the official definition, good sir.

YOU ARE ALREADY DEAD

SLAYYYYYYY QUEEEEEEEEENNNN

[HaughtyFrank]

The fact that Anita Sarkeesian and The Mary Sue are bitching about the Buffy reboot makes me sooooooo happy. I love how they are complaining about the exact same shit that people complained about with recent reboots is beautiful. They don't see their hypocrisy though...

There was a time when this kind of news would have excited me in ways I can’t even explain. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is one of my favorite shows, in spite of many things, but not only am I not interested in a reboot, but this move to make the lead black—as reported by Deadline—is just a bad move on multiple levels for me. Don’t get me wrong; it’s not inclusive casting that I’m objecting to. I just want black women to get their own stories.

https://www.themarysue.com/i-dont-want-a-black-buffy/


 

[stufte]

Yeah those all work in tandem well accept yours... funny that.

oh, interesting.

drop me the official definition, good sir.

YOU ARE ALREADY DEAD

SLAYYYYYYY QUEEEEEEEEENNNN

what excelsheet thinks she's emoting:



what she's actually emoting:

[nudemacusers]

I hope the admins and MOD CAPTAINS realize that this isn’t going away after everyone vents for 40 pages, everyone will just start weaponizing the report system to get what they want. I mean they already do, but now the coven of alt right posters without avatars will start too.

[benjipwns]

It doesn't even work, because the ignore list is capped at 1000. Mine's been full for months.

[benjipwns]

The other thing we can do is not wait for a moderator to ban someone, but call shit like this out when we see it. A lot of men are on a journey to understanding what sexism really is and we all have a job to do in educating others.

Could we also add more female moderators?

why has no one else thought of this he asks sarcastically

also it's not my job to teach my oppressors why their oppression is wrong

[benjipwns]

Between that and the flood of new misogynist and outright troll accounts, the site outside of a few Hangouts has become unusable.

UNUSABLE

[BisMarckie]

also it's not my job to teach my oppressors why their oppression is wrong

What if these oppressors make threads on a gaming forum that further oppress people?

[benjipwns]

If you have the need to ignore 1000 people that may say a little more about you than it does about the people being ignored.

I have yet to ignore anyone despite instances of disagreement or even outright disgust/offense.

Fuck off.

[nudemacusers]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/page-27#post-10752802

If you have the need to ignore 1000 people that may say a little more about you than it does about the people being ignored.

I have yet to ignore anyone despite instances of disagreement or even outright disgust/offense.

Fuck off.

Tragically, because vimes has maxed out their ignore list, clockwork has seized this opportunity to weaponize forum limitations to harass a fellow reseteran. Mods pls help.

[benjipwns]

half of them are probably banned and could be removed anyway

"i shouldn't have to maintain my ignore list, just increase it until i can ignore the entire forum"

[benjipwns]

according to the ban site there's 68 for racism, 134 for bad faith and 368 for transphobia (i assume those aren't all marrec and the body dysmorphic asshole)

so 300 bans are needed asap for racism at the minimum, get to it mods

[benjipwns]

Is this for real?

I understand not wanting to bring "drama" here from other places, but surely there is some way to report this kind of thing to the mods and get them removed or at least investigated.

Yes, Ive tracked more than I can count back to their various shitholes.

Get them excited and copy and paste your conversation in Google and you can see all the places it spreads to where they talk about it and what they want people with accounts to say or how to play the situation.

wow, this dude is doxxing people?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

that border on era cannot possibly be the same border that was on gaf.

advocating for thread bans?

lol


e: wait do they actually have thread bans?

[benjipwns]

I don't think you should shame someone for blocking people on a forum. There's definitely 1000+ people not worth engaging with on this forum. If he wants to come home from work and not have deal with those folks that doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

I think this comes back to the OP's point about empathy.

[benjipwns]

i wonder how many reports are sitting in the queue from this thread alone