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[I'm a Puppy!]

"Look, all I'm saying is that if I said, 'black people are whiny, smelly bitches.' You'd ban me. But if I say the same about white people I just get LOL."

Banned

[benjipwns]

Incel thread is continuing productively thankfully:

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this place was harboring more than a few undercover incels.

Also we have this helpful definition from an expert on all topics, please send $50 per word:

The extremes? The total hatred of women is what makes you an incel, you don't have to actually rape, murder, enslave women too want to do so. Incels want to do so.

[clothedmacuser]

Unfortunately we are going to have to agree to disagree. You don't believe in free speech for all. I do. No one gets to decide what is and isn't hateful speech. And no one should NOT be able to say what they want. That is what free speech is. It hurts sometimes and it can be painful to hear at other times, but that is what free speech entails.

User Banned (Duration Pending): Downplaying hate speech.

https://resetera.com/posts/11050137/

Getting permed for that post without being a filthy junior

We can now search his History of Severe Infractions and warnings.

https://resetera.kiwifarms.net/search/actioned?u=MacReady13

Please stop referring to women as "females" (READ OP)

I understand that, but seriously, it's not the end of the world is it? I mean, of all things to complain about...

User Banned (Duration Pending): Ignoring moderator instructions, dismissing concerns of others, history of severe infractions.


What a monster.  Those infractions should be actioned!



Side note, it feels strange to link to kiwifarms even if I don't quite get what they are.  Maybe Evilore could host the Resetera Transparency Project now that he's committed himself to truth, justice, and transparency above all else.

But I love the work!.  I don't want that to be a criticism against the guy who made it.

[benjipwns]

oh god, she's great altogether in that thread:

I'm confused... you came into this thread to tell everyone not to lump people like you in with them (which few if any were).... but then here you're basically saying you're pretty close to being one of them and even slip up from time to time.



Like people need to really understand that when someone says "I could be just like them, or that only one thing is stopping me from being like them..."

You're saying you're pretty close to believing that women ought to be raped, murdered, and enslaved... That's what an incel is someone who wants to rape, murder and enslave women...

That's scary as hell and people shouldn't be so comfortable saying it.

Admit that shit to people trained, not on a public forum in a thread where everyone is tripping over themselves to send sympathy and empathy towards misogynistic terrorists.

Like brah women don't need to hear here how close you are/were to thinking we're cattle.

Why do we dignify these people with even this title. They're just fucking creeps.

Same reason we refer to ISIS as ISIS or Nazis as Nazis...

Nazis is actually a perfect example where the name and what it technically means are disconnecting... Nazi might mean National Socialist but no one thinks (of sound mind) that Nazis are socialists... same applies to incel and "involuntary celibate"

benji pedantry warning:

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Except for that whole part where the Nazi's name is literally what their program advocated like its "nationally-focused syndicate-based" socialist brother fascism, it just defined the "nation" as ethnically specific, something that was such a non-unique usage even for the modern period to where when Eastern Europe came back out from under the curtain it was also applied fairly literally in dividing up the territory, especially the former Yugoslavia.

What's changed is the standard meaning of corporatism by idiots. Most of them use it to mean something like corporatization or what's since been termed, coporatocracy, or some "perfect" form of producerism. When most of them basically want corporatism by the real meaning of the term; and hate to accept that they're essentially actual fascists by any true sound of mind definition of the term beyond an all purpose stand-in for "bad authoritarians."

Tripartism is still dominant in all the best Yurop social democracies to this day.

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[clothedmacuser]

Admit that shit to people trained, not on a public forum in a thread where everyone is tripping over themselves to send sympathy and empathy towards misogynistic terrorists.

A fan of Don't Ask, Don't Tell your Parents, the Public, or anyone who doesn't have a therapist license.

Just bottle it up and never share your feelings till they erupt and you feel the need to demand everyone comply to your beliefs.



I'm not saying trans or gay are like incel, but people can be afraid to share what they think because they are scared how they will be judged.  In Excel's case she judo'ed that to "I WILL DO THE JUDGING!"

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/11060951/

Look all I'm saying is no woman here wants to read post after post from men talking about how close they were to falling in with a misogynistic terrorist group that reduces us to property and dehumanizes us to the point where rape, violence, murder, abuse, assault, enslavement is literally the ideal. A group who some members actually act on these beliefs. We also don't want to then hear that oh not all incels are like that.

Finally there's a certain level of performative patting yourself on the back for not falling down that rabbit hole, as if not hating women is actually hard and difficult and finding a way to do it worthy of direct praise... instead of the most basic requirement for being a ever so slightly decent human being.

If you need to talk about how close you were to hating women.... share it in private with people who are trained to help you. Not a message board where many women barely feel comfortable as it is before we start mixing in these high levels of empathy directed at a movement that wants to cause severe harm to us.

Clearly we're at a definition impasse. I think the solution is a permanent ban for anyone who quibbles with it.

[VomKriege]

Incel Undercover, coming soon exclusively on Showtime

[benjipwns]

also:

Not a message board where many women barely feel comfortable as it is before we start

"we"?

[benjipwns]

It simply means the organizing principle are what we'd now call interest groups. Tripartism identifies the interest groups as the workers, the industry and the state. It then establishes bargaining agreements between all three members. This was how the fascists organized their economies, how the U.S. did under the NRA until it was found unconstitutional, and how most of the most right-wing government possible* Yurop handles its employee-employer negotiations to this day. You join the guild or union for your industry, like the Steel industry, which negotiates with the Steel companies and the state. Individuals only matter so far as they are included in their corporate body. (What the Nazi's did was define belonging to the corporate body of the "nation" as ethnically determined, the Italian Fascists didn't do this**, individuals outside of it were irrelevant or worse.)

It means corporation as a collective entity of people acting together, not corporation as "large business" as it is treated commonly today.

*source: empty_vessel
**presumably because of the differences between Italian unification and German unification and their histories after that...Mussolini was far more concerned about bringing everyone together in a single Italian interest than casting out the "wrong people" on a silly basis like ethnicity or "race"

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/11060951/

Look all I'm saying is no woman here wants to read post after post from men talking about how close they were to falling in with a misogynistic terrorist group that reduces us to property and dehumanizes us to the point where rape, violence, murder, abuse, assault, enslavement is literally the ideal. A group who some members actually act on these beliefs. We also don't want to then hear that oh not all incels are like that.

Finally there's a certain level of performative patting yourself on the back for not falling down that rabbit hole, as if not hating women is actually hard and difficult and finding a way to do it worthy of direct praise... instead of the most basic requirement for being a ever so slightly decent human being.

If you need to talk about how close you were to hating women.... share it in private with people who are trained to help you. Not a message board where many women barely feel comfortable as it is before we start mixing in these high levels of empathy directed at a movement that wants to cause severe harm to us.

Clearly we're at a definition impasse. I think the solution is a permanent ban for anyone who quibbles with it.

Ayyyy ain't nothin harder in my life except my cock when I sees a bitch! OH!

 

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/11060951/

Look all I'm saying is no woman here wants to read post after post from men talking about how close they were to falling in with a misogynistic terrorist group that reduces us to property and dehumanizes us to the point where rape, violence, murder, abuse, assault, enslavement is literally the ideal. A group who some members actually act on these beliefs. We also don't want to then hear that oh not all incels are like that.

Finally there's a certain level of performative patting yourself on the back for not falling down that rabbit hole, as if not hating women is actually hard and difficult and finding a way to do it worthy of direct praise... instead of the most basic requirement for being a ever so slightly decent human being.

If you need to talk about how close you were to hating women.... share it in private with people who are trained to help you. Not a message board where many women barely feel comfortable as it is before we start mixing in these high levels of empathy directed at a movement that wants to cause severe harm to us.

Clearly we're at a definition impasse. I think the solution is a permanent ban for anyone who quibbles with it.

Finally there's a certain level of performative patting yourself on the back

  

[benjipwns]

As a parent of boys I absolutely do want to hear from people who felt they came close to heading down this path. I look for the signs of all kinds of negative internet influences on my kids. And I never myself fell into the hating women thing, I certainly shared other characteristics as a teen like the self loathing. I didn't have the internet to feed me shitty ideas.

This is not sympathy for assholes who have given themselves over to this shit, it's looking out for people who might.

FUCK OFF WITH YOUR MISOGYNISTIC TERRORIST CHILDREN ASSHOLE

JUST RAISE THEM BETTER INSTEAD:

It's directed at everyone and anyone who has felt the need to publicly declare who close they came to joining up a a misogynistic hate group. Who felt the need to make it sound like it's so easy to fall in with them and act like overcoming a total and utter hatred and revulsion of women is somehow a difficult act.

[benjipwns]

Whether incels are all dangerous, or some just “depressed and despairing,” as Douthat put it, what’s certain is that they didn’t invent the word: They took it over. It has roots in online use going back more than 20 years, and, as is often the case with hateful words, began its life in a harmless fashion. It was coined in the late 1990s by a Canadian woman named Alana (she asked that her last name not be used in this story) when she was volunteering for a not-for-profit internet provider based in Ottawa after she graduated from Carleton University. In May 1997, she posted in a local Usenet newsgroup: “If you have had life-long difficulty starting dating or forming relationships, you might like to check out my new web page.” She provided a link to a personal site that she titled, “Alana’s Involuntary Celibacy Project.”

On the site, early versions of which are preserved on the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, Alana revealed, “I don't really like the term ‘involuntary celibacy,’ but haven’t found a good alternative either.” While she kicked around other possible terms (like “perpetually single” or “dating-shy”), none of them seemed to do the trick. In October 1997, she announced on Usenet that she had started a mailing list devoted to involuntary celibacy. As was typical of electronic mailing lists of the day, she gave it an abbreviated name: “INVCEL.”

Alana told me that she and the other mailing list participants began using “invcel” as a shorthand term for either “involuntary celibacy” or “involuntary celibate,” before it became clear that they needed something that was easier to pronounce. One participant suggested removing the “v,” and “incel” was born.

On a version of Alana’s website archived from May 1999, it was clear that incel had taken over in the small community, though it still required clarification. “Incel is an invented term, so there is no official definition,” she explained on the site. She distinguished “two distinct, though related, categories: single and married incels,” and tackled such questions as, “If a single incel starts dating, are they a former incel?”

The appeal of the term, Alana recalls, was that it seemed neutral and nonjudgmental. “The concept of being a lonely virgin is not a nice identity,” she said. “Finding a more friendly term helped people say, ‘Hey, I belong to a group. I’m not alone.’ And by belonging to a group, people can help each other.”

After a few years, Alana moved on from the community she created and she passed off much of her online content to a new site maintained by someone she did not know. It was only in 2014, when the Isla Vista killings were in the news, that she realized what had happened to the word incel over the years. It had become hijacked by people like the killer, Rodger, who used it on message boards to justify hatred of women based on being sexually rejected. Whereas the 1990s incarnation of the term had been inclusive regardless of gender and sexuality, the new incel culture was rigidly patrolled by the indignant young men typifying the so-called manosphere.

NO REAL WOMAN WOULD PROMOTE MURDERING AND RAPING WOMEN SLAVES

BE BETTER IN CONTROLLING TERMS YOU INVENT ALANA

[clothedmacuser]

"you are all shit heads!"

"what?"

"Oh, I didn't mean you.  I was only speaking to the shit heads.  If you get offended by me calling you a shit head you must be one because logically you would not care otherwise."

[benjipwns]

Actually, talk about bad faith, you know she and the others know that the people saying this don't mean the term in the way they're defining it. They mean it as in "I blamed others/women for my problems."

[james]

I used  to be an incel.

Then I started posting on Resetera.

Three actionings later and Im a bone fide moderate.

 

[benjipwns]

How many Marvel movies have you directed? I need to know if I should accept that you've changed or not. Personally, I'm leaning towards ever having any sympathies with incels is irredeemable.

[benjipwns]

As a parent of boys I absolutely do want to hear from people who felt they came close to heading down this path. I look for the signs of all kinds of negative internet influences on my kids. And I never myself fell into the hating women thing, I certainly shared other characteristics as a teen like the self loathing. I didn't have the internet to feed me shitty ideas.

This is not sympathy for assholes who have given themselves over to this shit, it's looking out for people who might.

All I can say is those posts make this place a far worst place for women while they are hardly going to make you that much (if at all) of a better parent.

I can understand that. It ought to be talked about somewhere. I don't know where. There's a difference between what I went through (all of the toxic feelings but not the misogyny) and the people who fall down the hole, and want to understand that difference.

If the answer is simply empathy then maybe it's not worth discussing further. I never lacked the empathy.

Somewhere is not here.

AND TAKE YOUR SHITTY TERRORIST KIDS WITH YOU

[benjipwns]

Do you think even a dedicated thread about formerly toxic/hateful users moving away from despicable ideologies/movements would be damaging, even if prefaced with trigger and content warnings?

Definitely has the potential to without trained professional moderation and meditation.

Especially here because we have many outside bad actors, who stalk and survey this place, who'd love to sneak in and try to recruit men to the movement rather than away.

SHE'S TALKING ABOUT YOU GUYS, NOT BENJI, WHO IS A LOVER OF ALL THINGS AND PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WOMEN AND THE BLACKS

[benjipwns]

VISUAL PROOF THAT BENJI IS A LOVER OF WOMEN AND THE BLACKS:

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TERMS OF SERVICE: BY READING THIS POST YOU AGREE TO NEVER QUOTE OR MISUSE ANY OF BENJI'S POSTS IN A WAY UNINTENDED BY BENJI AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE

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[clothedmacuser]

I can understand that. It ought to be talked about somewhere. I don't know where. There's a difference between what I went through (all of the toxic feelings but not the misogyny) and the people who fall down the hole, and want to understand that difference.

If the answer is simply empathy then maybe it's not worth discussing further. I never lacked the empathy.

Somewhere is not here.

I guess she's a moderator now.  Backseat moderation is cool now

[Raist]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/11055378/

That ban

[benjipwns]

CRISIS ON THE NEW IMPROVED NEOGAF.COM: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/neogaf-ban-review-justice-project-off-topic-edition.1463407/post-253371003

You banned one of your most enthusiastic, well-spoken, active users for making a logical well-presented case for an alternative way to deal with pedophilia that could potentially protect children from being sexually abused? I don't agree with his idea, but there was nothing morally reprehensible or blatantly false about it.

He obviously cares about this forum and cares about society and people in general. If his ban is permanent I'll join him in not posting here.

The moderation team felt it was necessary to provide a response to the recent banning of @KevinKeene. This is given freely and in the spirit of transparency. Obviously, we won't be doing this for every banning but felt this was a special case due to the response. We must first clarify that this wasn’t a decision made in the heat of the moment, nor by one outlying member of staff. It was also a difficult decision to make as we acknowledge the contributions Kevin made to the forum, but also weighed up the times he flew too close to the sun. Ultimately, after each staff member had given their input throughout the day in the moderation slack channel, the decision was unanimous and we felt action was necessary albeit unfortunate.


Certain topics will be contentious in their content and we appreciate posters will play devil’s advocate, or be contrary to open up debate. However, certain topics should not draw people in on a personal level. Distanced arguments framed in context, although difficult to read at times were untouched (There are a few examples in the thread itself). However, some of the responses from Kevin became a little too personal and emotive. And when you engage in a topic like this, with what could be construed as personal emotional investment, then it becomes very difficult to separate agenda and motivation from good faith arguments. It is also an expectation to enter debates like this with a fair bit of nuance, tact and with an empathetic attitude towards the adults/children who are/have/will be affected by life changing events/experiences.

That's too bad @ilfait, you are quite the character. I would ask you to at least give it some serious thought.

Thank you for the comments. We will take them on board.

Was I just banned for 6 hours?

Yeah, sorry about that. People can get emotionally compromised and cease seeing things clearly sometimes. Only takes a few seconds, and not that much emotional interference necessarily (thanks to the huge interpersonal disconnect w/ message boards etc.). Add in a dash of momentary self-righteousness to commit with turned off brains, and poof, there can go your account under some legitimate-sounding pretense or another. :messenger_grinning_sweat: There was a brief lapse in someone's judgment, but I caught it and overturned. They've been lectured about not modding angry like that again. It wasn't stemming from a personal grudge or anything, fwiw, and it's rare to have disposition issues like that on the team nowadays, but I try to keep tabs.

Thanks for being chill about it!

We'll have some additional news on the transparency front soon as well.

ALSO JUSTICE UPDATE:

Can Kenclops get an unban? He never said anything racist or bigoted. He simply believes in education and didn’t mean to offend anyone.

His name isn't far down the list of bans I'm going through. Being a Beseda ban, there's a good chance he'll be unbanned.

[Transhuman]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/11055378/

That ban

Calling that "bad faith" is straight up lying.

[james]

Shower elf is such a fucking tool.

Stop pretending.

Just say what everybody is thinking. You can't afford another Amirox incident.

Heavens knows any forum that attracts anime and vita fans will always flying damn close to the sun

[benjipwns]

I don't know which is better, JordanN derailing every thread even reasonably close (like the recent "New York Time's" hire) into a discussion about the problems of ending Apartheid in South Africa and race realism or Evilore seemingly ignoring it because he's basically the places excelsiorlef in terms of posting constantly right now.

And by that I don't mean the latter because THE GREAT FORGIVER is all-powerful and all-wise may he rule forever! With nudemacusers, Momo and filler by his side!

[benjipwns]

i guess this is the logical conclusion of sales-age/era:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/stock-market-era-earning-money-with-games.58539/

How does the stock market work?

Public companies allow virtually anyone to buy shares in their company. By buying such a share, you become a shareholder (and thus an owner of a small part) of the company. People can buy and sell shares on a stock exchange. Each country usually has multiple stock exchanges, with different kinds of companies listed on each exchange; this can be based on industry, like the Nasdaq and the Dow Jones in the United States, or on size, like in a lot of other countries.

Each company listed on a stock exchange has a share price: the current price of a single share. Based on supply ("late") and demand ("bid"), the price of the shares go up and down. The share price is influenced by general market sentiment, such as macro-economical news or the political climate, and on announcements by the company, such as earnings releases, product reveals/news drops, and news around the company.

How can I buy shares?

To buy shares in whatever company, you have to register yourself at a broker. This is a company that manages your portfolio of shares. You pay your broker a small monthly or quarterly fee for their service and a small fee for each transaction they execute. Your bank can be a broker, but there are also specialised brokers. Brokers have access to wide variety of stock exchanges and will help you get your hands on the shares you want to invest in. Brokers allow you to trade yourself, but a lot of brokers also facilitate options to let specialists at their company trade for you or to help you with trading.

A big European broking company with a fairly cheap do-it-yourself option is DEGIRO (click).

There are also all kinds of stock trading apps that also allow you to tip your fingers in the pool of investing. If you're new to investing, these may be worth to check out as they're usually fairly cheap. However, they also offer less service. Here are a couple of articles with overview lists: click and click

Wondering what to do with my Nintendo stock. I still think it's undervalued, but I'm not expecting great news at the earnings release.

This is mostly anecdotal, but from what I heard from retail people I know (again, just anecdotal in a number of stores in the US and Europe), the physical release of Minecraft as well as the launch of Fortnite in the eShop had a noticeable impact on Switch hardware sales, starting right after E3, although the biggest chunk of these sales will fall in fiscal Q2. My personal expectation is back catalogue will keep doing well, but the big question is: will it be enough?

In April-June 2017, the Switch was supply constrained in a big part of the world and didn't have a lot of software back then. I have zero doubt that hardware and software sales will both be significantly higher than last year. But I get hesitant about the effect of the 20 million units promise. Of course fiscal Q1 is a slow quarter, so they're obviously not expected to sell 5 million Switch consoles in this quarter. I personally don't own Nintendo stock, so I don't really know what analysts expect and what shareholders in general expect from this quarter. But I'm pretty sure that the result will be better YoY. And sentiment has also more or less recovered compared to June.

If your own expectations aren't that positive, but you don't want to completely miss out, you can always decide to only sell a portion of your shares and see how it goes.

Something that I think all publishers should invest in, including Nintendo, is geographical expansion. China is a huge market and publishers are finally noticing it, but especially in mobile, a lot of terrain can be won in South East Asia, the Middle East, South America, and maybe even Africa but I don't know how the infrastructure and market is over there.

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/suspected-russian-spy-worked-at-us-embassy-in-moscow-for-more-than-a-decade.59608/#post-11053952

This is a non-American being hired and given access to privileged information for a decade. Like, that's insane from a security perspective to even consider, let alone actually do an keep her there for a decade.

Is it really insane though ? I'm under the uneducated impression embassies will often employ locals, for a number of evident common sense reasons. I mean the article makes clear it's common enough that they have their own official label (Foreign Service Nationals) and that the duties they are performing are restricted.

Yup! Might as well start teaching Russian in schools.
Enjoy the piroshki and Borscht everyone in the US

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-is-racism-to-you.59670/

Admit that shit to people trained, not on a public forum in a thread where everyone is tripping over themselves to send sympathy and empathy towards racist terrorists.

Like brah minorities don't need to hear here how close you are/were to thinking we're cattle.

[VomKriege]

starpower DeeDogg Broken Joystick dietpepsi no, the front page total only includes users who are not banned and who have had their accounts verified, otherwise that number is closer to around 47,000. So we have 40,000 verified/unbanned users.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/weve-reached-40-000-members.59362/#post-11016149

So hum... Did you ban 1/8th or 1/7th of your userbase still or is there that much unverified accounts ?

Edit : It's touched upon but no breaking down sadly.

[Transhuman]

I wanna see a movie where Channing Tatum has to infiltrate a cell of incel terrorists.

[benjipwns]

knowing ceriums low post count and clicking on shinobi and seeing how many he had led to me look at how many of the namebrand admins at the LLC have less than a thousand posts so far:
Nibel: 897 (3.2 ppd)
shinobi: 878 (3.1 ppd)
Emily: 726 (2.6 ppd)
Rowlf: 536 (1.9 ppd)
Cerium: 419 (1.5 ppd)

compared to some prominent moderators along with The QUEEN who is basically an admin not counting her brief brush with non-existence:
excelsiorlef: 22060 (78.0 ppd)
Slayven: 16464 (58.2 ppd)
Volimar: 6874 (24.3 ppd)
B-Dubs: 6691 (23.6 ppd)
BronsonLee: 6110 (21.6 ppd)
Jawmuncher: 4923 (17.4 ppd)
Morrigan: 4698 (16.6 ppd)
Progressive Beef: 4263 (15.1 ppd)
shiba5: 4158 (14.7 ppd)
Ron Pau8l: 3697 (13.1 ppd)
Wondermant: 3583 (12.7 ppd)
Brazil: 3488 (12.3 ppd)

the only other five digit posters i remember plus the hero of our story and a potentially undercover incel:
Phantom Thief: 16332 (57.7 ppd)
Kirblar: 12663 (44.7 ppd)
LiK: 12067 (42.6 ppd)
ZeoVGM: 11008 (38.9 ppd)
ZattMurdock: 6724 (23.8 ppd)
moblin: 798 (2.8 ppd)

it's been 283 days since ERA opened, feel free to play at home with your favorite posters

shinobi had 33,557 over ~7 years before "stepping back from the site" shortly after Mass Effect: Andromeda came out (13.3 ppd)
Nibel had 27,702 over ~6 years before departing after accusations about Evilore's misogyny were revealed to the world for the first time (12.6 ppd)
Cerium made 9783 posts in ~2.5 years on NeoGAF.com (the fifth largest referrer to the homepage for, swindler who didn't send a coffeecup to TVC, Hillary Clinton)  (10.4 ppd)

some stuff about this LLC just doesn't add up still...no sir

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https://twitter.com/shinobi602/status/1022913559645356034

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https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1024279095671246849

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BOOM. DOXXED.

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[VomKriege]

Bertrand Cantat can't play gigs in peace meanwhile these morons are idolized by the public. This is fucked up.

Bertrand Cantat killed his girlfriend by beating her.

And lol at the bystanders screaming like they were under a terror attack

Why would people be wary of terrorism and a sudden outburst of violence at an airport !?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/french-rappers-brawl-at-paris-airport-force-terminal-to-close.59448/

[benjipwns]

for reference, i make 143.5 posts a day here

[benjipwns]

Bertrand Cantat can't play gigs in peace meanwhile these morons are idolized by the public. This is fucked up.

Bertrand Cantat killed his girlfriend by beating her.

He served his sentence in prison

In 2003, he was convicted of murder ("murder with indirect intent" - dolus eventualis) of French actress Marie Trintignant. He returned to Noir Désir after his release from prison in 2007

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The post-mortem examination suggested that Cantat had inflicted 19 blows to Trintignant's head, causing irreversible brain damage.[3] In court, Cantat claimed he "slapped" Trintignant four times before putting her to bed.[4] He claimed he had flown into a jealous rage after she received a text message from her ex-husband.[5] Trintignant was 41 at the time of her death, and left four young sons. French medical experts at the hearing confirmed Cantat's claim regarding the slapping, as well as his claim that he could not tell that Trintignant was dying. His house was burned down in Moustey. His spouse and his two children initially were supposed to be in the house at that time

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In March 2004, Cantat was sentenced by Vilnius Regional Court under Article 129 of the Lithuanian Criminal Code to eight years in prison for murder, committed with indirect intent (dolus eventualis). The verdict was at first appealed by Marie Trintignant's family, who believed that her killing warranted a harsher sentence, and later by Cantat himself, who wanted the higher court to reclassify his crime as manslaughter, and therefore lessen his sentence. Both parties ultimately decided to cancel their appeals, which rendered final the original sentence of eight years. At the request of his lawyers, Cantat was moved from a Lithuanian prison to a prison near Muret, France, September 2004. Cantat served four years of his eight-year sentence in prison. According to French law, after half of a prison sentence has been served, a criminal with good behavior can be released to serve the rest of his sentence on parole.

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On the night of 10 January 2010, Cantat's ex-wife Krisztina Rády committed suicide. At the time of her death, Bertrand Cantat was present in the house. She was discovered by their children the following day.[9] Shortly before her death, Rády had complained of mental abuse by Cantat. The physical abuse she complained of on the answering machine is that he threw some objects at her, but she never mentioned that he was assaulting her. According to Cantat, Rády's parents had spent a week with him after the suicide. [10] Magistrates in Bordeaux investigated Cantat in connection with Rady's suicide, but ultimately decided not to press charges.

well, i don't use the term hero lightly but...

[VomKriege]

I wanna see a movie where Channing Tatum has to infiltrate a cell of incel terrorists.

- You look like a Chad, can we trust you ?
- Nah brah I hate femoids and the sweet, sweet taste of their pussy.
*Channing flash his Vita resting in a holster*

[benjipwns]

wait, does this make Cantat an incel, much like Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway?

[benjipwns]

that feeling when you stop to swap out serial killers in your post because you're concerned they might be ones only TVC knows

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-is-racism-to-you.59670/

Admit that shit to people trained, not on a public forum in a thread where everyone is tripping over themselves to send sympathy and empathy towards racist terrorists.

Like brah minorities don't need to hear here how close you are/were to thinking we're cattle.

Excel said she doesn't want people to admit they were once He-Man Women Haters (incel) in the past but got over it because it made her feel unsafe and they shouldn't do it on Era.  And the mods and everyone agreed.   This is after she was treated like everyone else and banned for 3 days before it was revoked after 15 minutes. 

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-is-racism-to-you.59670/

Racism also requires that there be an element of power. A black person thinking white people are criminals isn’t the same as a white person thinking black people are criminals.

Because one of those statements has real world repercussions beyond hurt feelings.

okay?

[benjipwns]

God damn it, I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the level of ignorance happening here on the topics of social issues.

Or... you can take my advice and read a book by someone who has lived it and researched it and educate yourself on the topic instead of collectively agreeing on an unsatisfactory conclusion in a home for discourse among primarily white men (myself included).

Lmao. If you're educated on it and still choose the laziest possible route of understanding then there's nothing I can say that will help you.

[benjipwns]

I'm holding a poll on this topic on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/cooljeanius/status/1025066443476529152

thanks

[benjipwns]

Btw, if i apply your logic in resetera.. can i say all people in this forum are bad since they cannot convince me they are good people?

well, based on the woman problems thread i saw...

[nudemacusers]

God damn it, I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the level of ignorance happening here on the topics of social issues.

Or... you can take my advice and read a book by someone who has lived it and researched it and educate yourself on the topic instead of collectively agreeing on an unsatisfactory conclusion in a home for discourse among primarily white men (myself included).

Lmao. If you're educated on it and still choose the laziest possible route of understanding then there's nothing I can say that will help you.

(Image removed from quote.)

The man went to Nintendo U, he gets it.

[benjipwns]

Truly disheartening. As a survivor of child abuse, what disheartens me isn't the tweets, it's what he went through, it's how it's obvious when you put in context the two Guardians films. This is bigger than fucking superhero films. This is about not allowing alt-right assholes to get away with bullshit like this, and that's why the more people know what actually Gunn went through, the better. Fuck Disney and whatever they do.

If that's what you really think people like me are pissed off about, you should really try to look further the Disney / MCU / fandom bullshit and understand this: this is way bigger than stupid superhero films. Fuck Disney at this point. This is about contextualizing the fact that a victim of child abuse was fired by tweets that made out of context jokes about child abuse. Yes, they were shitty jokes, but I'm sure that somewhere inside you you can empathize with that and realize why that's wrong. Fuck Marvel and Disney at this point, this is bigger than people playing fandom wars.

Robert Iger's and Alan Horn's clear complete lack of understanding of how to navigate these times of faux outrage and alt-right campaigns of character assassination was the spark that started the fire. That's why rectifying James Gunn's firing is so crucial: it's way bigger than superhero films, it's about not giving in to literal gamergate campaigns in a scale that we have literally never saw before.

"Hollywood's biggest crisis of the literal century, way bigger than #MeToo"
Never forget, ResetEra.

What's the point of bringing this up other than to derail and attack the OP? Does this make you feel like a real person now? It certainly doesn't make you look like less of a twat

"Hollywood's biggest crisis of the literal century, way bigger than #MeToo"
Never forget, ResetEra.

Don't be such a Weasel and stop derailing the thread.

[benjipwns]

re-hiring James Gunn isn't good enough to convince me that ALAN HORN has truly changed and understood that he's literally working for literal Nazi's

[nudemacusers]

That is a stereotype. Stereotypes of white people are not racism.

Lmao the things I read when feeding a baby. Does resetera just half-digest word definitions?

[benjipwns]

Thank you. I arrived at the argument I'm making not only by reading on this issue but also sitting in a room full of people of every background holding a discussion on what racism means in today's society, alongside colorism, the falsehood of reverse racism, and solidarity among people of color. Most of the responses to what I'm saying make me feel like I could scream a neutron star into existence.

GrizzNKev dominating. A room full of people of every background!

[benjipwns]

Okay so I'll provide an argument for redefinition.

Context: This thread is very clearly created as a response to the recent Sarah Jeong thread. The Jeong controversy is based on Trump supporters/alt-right trying to get her fired for "racist remarks" in her twitter history, in the manner of James Gunn.

I would say many Trump supporters and people on the right will admit "racism is bad". How else would you explain the visceral reactions at being accused of racism? But this social group is consistently guilty of committing racist acts like harassing black Americans and repeatedly yelling the n-word at them at their homes or while they're driving. How to reconcile the two? The only conclusion I could come to was that they know racism is bad but that they don't know what it means, so they don't understand why Roseanne Barr gets fired for Jewish gassing jokes but Jeong isn't being fired for some snide remarks about white people. And, I should remind you, this segment of the populace is extremely anti-intellectual I feel any attempts to explain "systemic racism" to them would fall on deaf ears. Not to mention all the dog whistles.

Further complicating matters are moderates/centrists who gripe on and on about the left haphazardly accusing people of being racists. Do you think they would be mollified if we used "systemically racist" instead?

Basically I believe that all the arguments here in favor of separating "racism" from "systemic racism" assume all parties involved are and will be using these terms in good faith when it's increasingly clear to me day by day, week by week, only something like 40% of the country talking about race in good faith, if that.

Thus, in the face of systemic racism that tries to tiptoe around their own systemic racism, finding offense in the term being used (rather than the discrimination itself), it's important to reestablish why we have "racism" as a word in the first place. Hence, redefinition, and trojan horsing systemic racism into the public consciousness without having to give 200 million people a crash course on race dynamics.

wow 40% in good faith still?

[VomKriege]

Who sew their own clothes ?

[benjipwns]

also, good to know that the main problem of systemic racism today is Trump supporters yelling the n word at blacks and moderates tut-tutting accusations of racism

  progress

[nudemacusers]

Where were these people when I had to suffer through the systemic racism of the YUM Brands! Yo Quiero Taco Bell ads? 

[Tektonic]

remember, if you find yourself disagREeing with anything you read:

https://www.resetera.com/posts/11062835/

The context makes a huge difference here, which I thought was explained pretty well in the OP. May want to give it another read yourselves just to be sure.

Read it again, until you are one with the hive mind

[benjipwns]

The best part is the "context" is that a fan is choosing to interpret James Gunn's statements to imply he was abused as a child, potentially by his father, literally by his pastor...even though Gunn has not made either claim as far as I'm aware, and now everyone is seemingly referring to him as a victim of child abuse. Which is apparently all you need to do to get a pass, so remember that alt-right Nazi's like marrec.

Actually, you don't even have to make the claim yourself, just say things that people can later interpret as meaning that.

[Nintex]

Thank you Benji for doing gods work 

[benjipwns]

look at this dork: https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-not-exactly-a-fan-of-poc-being-used-to-describe-non-white-races.59681/

[benjipwns]

Just keep using it but at the same type call white people PWC (people without color)

Not to start another color based digression in the ultimate thread of digressions, but isn't white all colors and black the absence of color? (Also I thought "whites" were the genetically divergent ones?)

Technically albinos would be the max people of color then I guess.

[VomKriege]

The best part is the "context" is that a fan is choosing to interpret James Gunn's statements to imply he was abused as a child, potentially by his father, literally by his pastor...even though Gunn has not made either claim as far as I'm aware, and now everyone is seemingly referring to him as a victim of child abuse. Which is apparently all you need to do to get a pass, so remember that alt-right Nazi's like marrec.

Actually, you don't even have to make the claim yourself, just say things that people can later interpret as meaning that.

RE users can determine good faith, the fact you're actually wanting to use racial insults or your employment by Russian intelligence agencies just by reading a couple of posts. I think they can reconstruct an intimate story of abuse through your Twitter history.

[Nintex]

Before Benji gets excited I posted a thread in RE about how I hate the term POC. Since RE mods will read this thread and some idiots will act like I'm trolling since I post here heads up weirdos, I just think the term POC sucks ass.

I'm not sure why they've gone with that term anyway.
"I'm a PC...errr POC".

Now I wouldn't pick the 'WHITES' and the 'BLACKS' and the 'YELLOWS' either.
But I always felt that African-American worked well or Asian-American. And the Hispanics/Latino's didn't really care either way so that was fine anyway.

HOWEVER, you need a big tent these days. And if you do people of color you can include basically anyone who's not white and hate the whites along with your fellow PC's, I'm sorry POC's.

Just like the I'm a Mac / I'm a POC commercial. wait.

[benjipwns]

Just keep using it but at the same type call white people PWC (people without color)

Not to start another color based digression in the ultimate thread of digressions, but isn't white all colors and black the absence of color? (Also I thought "whites" were the genetically divergent ones?)

Dave Chappelle said different in 00's classic Undercover Brother.

Well, if you have a documentary like that as a source I certainly don't have anything better. I know I stopped saying "good morning" after learning what it really means.