Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

[Tasty]

another n64 stage confirmed
that leaves sector z as the only notable omission

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

Which one?

Also Sector Z is basically Corneria in deep space.

[Purrp Skirrp]

You didn't watch the video? I'm just fucking around.

That said, I'm psyched that nearly every N64 stage has returned. My friends and I were weirdos who preferred the first game and were still playing it long after Brawl's release. Similarly, for us, MK64's balloon battle is the best Mario Kart battle mode.

[kingv]

Balloon battle IS great.

[Coax]

What produces the hovering cat drawings @5:07?

[Trent Dole]

Yeah so Mexico started selling this early and thus the entire OST has leaked out among other things.

Takenobu Mitsuyoshi of Daytona infamy did a F Zero remix/medley complete with insane lyrics. It's as amazing as you imagine it is.

[Nintex]

Holy shit this music 

[Nintex]

Dat F-Zero song and SOTN track....

Am I dreaming? Are we in heaven?






 

[Nintex]

This sounds kinda like Nier Automata...... .. .... ... ... . .. .



WOW


Just dump your Mega Drives and Genesi in the trash

[Tasty]

Are people surprised that Smash has good music?

[Tasty]

Though that Brinstar Depths (also used in Dark Samus' trailer) is truly hot fiyah

[Beezy]

[Vizzys]

the ninjas are gettin all the musics
anyway heres one i like



Im preloaded and ready for this game to drop!

[Yeti]

I was all set to listen to these tunes at work today and they’v All been copyrighted 

[bork]

The game has already been modded and people are adding custom soundtracks.

[bork]

Preloading this now.  Had some J-eShop credit so went for that version- it runs in English so should be the same game on all shops (I.E. season pass for the American version will work) anyway.  But should be playable on Thursday.

[Trent Dole]

Remember all those fake character screens from back in the day? I mean I think this character select screen will be even crazier then something like this ( although there are some dumb characters on this one )

(Image removed from quote.)

lol two of the selected turned out to be true.

[Tasty]

I don't even know what to possibly expect from the DLC characters.

Aside from Waluigi who is there?

[Joe Molotov]

Cranky Kong

[bork]

Negan from the Walking Dead

[tiesto]

I don't even know what to possibly expect from the DLC characters.

Aside from Waluigi who is there?

Crash, Chun Li, the Assaasins Creed guy, Lara Croft, Rayman, as far as big name 3rd party characters go.

[CatsCatsCats]

Geno you foolssss

[nachobro]

Geno is probably the least likely of them all. Square is about as stingy as possible when it comes to Smash.

[Tasty]

The only one I can think of is Tails tbh. But they'd probably go with fucking Shadow.

If they're doing Assist Trophies I'd love to see Midna, Skull Kid, Zero, and Alucard. Would be cool to see Waluigi (as a lol) and Bomberman become full-fledged fighters too.

[Tasty]

I don't even know what to possibly expect from the DLC characters.

Aside from Waluigi who is there?

Crash, Chun Li, the Assaasins Creed guy, Lara Croft, Rayman, as far as big name 3rd party characters go.

Crash, no.

Chun Li maybe, but we already have two third-party characters from that franchise.

AssCreed LMAO FOH

Lara Croft I could see, especially post-Bayo, but I'm not missing her much either.

Rayman could be cool to see, and in fact everyone thought he'd be in Smash 4 because he had the first third-party Amiibo.

[Tasty]

Negan from the Walking Dead

Would rather have Yoda and Darth Vader

[CatsCatsCats]

I want a canonically powerful One Punch Man

[bork]

I want a canonically powerful One Punch Man

All for this- and with this music overwriting all stage BGM selections anytime he's used:

[kingv]

I feel like there is a way to include the Zelda races, whether that’s a Majoras Mask link (or skull kid) that transforms into deku/Goron/Zora or just include one of them from the BOTW.
Others I would like to see and/or might make sense:
- bayonetta light priest
- motherfucking Toad
- motherfucking Birdo
- Wolf Link with Midna
- one of them Arms characters
- the wonderful 101
- An urban Champion
- Dante
- something resident evil
- Viewtiful Joe
- the dude from Ghosts and Goblins or the firebrand
- strider
- Starman (or Kin Korn Karn)

[bork]

Really, looking at it, I think there's a number of "spirits" that should be full characters, like Shantae. Why Waluigi still isn't a character, even if he's just a Luigi echo, is beyond me.

[tiesto]

But real talk, my most wanted Smash character since Melee is MIKE JONESSS from StarTropics

[CatsCatsCats]

Toad/Toadette seems so obvious, it’s weird frankly

[Yeti]

I want Arthur from Ghouls and Ghosts and what’s his name from Adventure Island. Hudson was it?

[Yeti]

Also Leon from Resident Evil

[kingv]

Phoenix Wright might be a good fit.

Also Tharja, obvi.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

I'd bet $1000 on Minecraft Steve being one of the dlc characters if I had the money.

Preloading this now.  Had some J-eShop credit so went for that version- it runs in English so should be the same game on all shops (I.E. season pass for the American version will work) anyway.  But should be playable on Thursday.

Just bought a code for smash off Amazon jp. Hopefully it goes as smoothly as it did when Mario came out.

[Nintex]

The next DLC characters were picked by Nintendo. So it's probably characters they want to push.

- Piranha Plant (the 'hook' of we're doing all sort of crazy characters by this season pass!)
- Fire Emblem Three Houses protagonist (of course)
- Eevee (obviously)
- Pauline (seems to be the new 'Rosalina' that is rejoining the Nintendo family)

And finally a third party one. Maybe Rayman.

[Tasty]

Piranha Plant isn't part of the 5 mystery DLC chars, he's more of a preorder bonus.

[Tasty]

- Pauline (seems to be the new 'Rosalina' that is rejoining the Nintendo family)

But she started rejoining the family with Mario vs. DK... which came out before Galaxy (and Rosalina's first appearance.)

[Joe Molotov]

[nachobro]

Preloading this now.  Had some J-eShop credit so went for that version- it runs in English so should be the same game on all shops (I.E. season pass for the American version will work) anyway.  But should be playable on Thursday.

i should do this too, but i probably can't use an american cc on there

[Trent Dole]

I'm contemplating buying a Switch and playing this.

[bork]

Preloading this now.  Had some J-eShop credit so went for that version- it runs in English so should be the same game on all shops (I.E. season pass for the American version will work) anyway.  But should be playable on Thursday.

i should do this too, but i probably can't use an american cc on there

You can't, but it's easy to buy eShop credits off places like Play-Asia and the like or just buy the digital version off Amazon.jp. 

The nice thing about Switch games is that the eShop and Nintendo's site both tell you what languages games offer.  99% of the time a title that has English will be fully-compatible with the American release and the same DLC will work.  The only game I've played where this was not the case was Gal Gun 2.  But it has worked for every Nintendo-published game I've purchased off the eShop with English and Japanese language options available. 

Sometimes games will pop up on the J-eShop weeks or even months earlier than 'Murica and I just don't get why they don't get simultaneous releases when all the languages are available.

[Akala]

I want Arthur from Ghouls and Ghosts and what’s his name from Adventure Island. Hudson was it?

MASTER HIGGINS

[nachobro]

You can't, but it's easy to buy eShop credits off places like Play-Asia and the like or just buy the digital version off Amazon.jp. 

The nice thing about Switch games is that the eShop and Nintendo's site both tell you what languages games offer.  99% of the time a title that has English will be fully-compatible with the American release and the same DLC will work.  The only game I've played where this was not the case was Gal Gun 2.  But it has worked for every Nintendo-published game I've purchased off the eShop with English and Japanese language options available. 

Sometimes games will pop up on the J-eShop weeks or even months earlier than 'Murica and I just don't get why they don't get simultaneous releases when all the languages are available.

good to know. so i'd just be able to get the game on thursday morning? very tempting. i'm sorta waiting to see when a local store gets the game in first and if i can't get it from them weds/thurs then i might just go this route.

[Tasty]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/12/feature_what_the_smash_pros_have_done_to_prepare_for_smash_bros_ultimate

On all those nuanced changes from Smash 4 to Ultimate, Brockman expands: “In isolation, many of (the changes) seem odd, but together it all works: The short-hop attack penalty makes no sense without faster jumps, which calls for less landing lag to flow smoothly, which would be problematic without the upgraded shield parry, which could contribute to overly defensive options without dodge decay, which would penalize air dodges too much without the directional option, which requires cast-wide move speed increases to keep punishable, which would make edge guarding lopsided if not for balloon knockback. It just, all fits.”

Pretty neat to read.

Good article overall too, worth a read.

[nachobro]

Found this fun little site, anyway who are people planning to main? I figure I'll start with these and go from there
https://apps.warchamp7.com/smash/rosterUlt/

[Tasty]

I enjoy playing as a LOT of fighters, lol. I could have even included Bowser, Dedede, Pikachu, Sonic, Mewtwo and Bowser Jr. here too...

Basically, Smashdown was made for me.

Anyways:

Richter: The most interesting/fun-looking of the newcomers to me from a gameplay perspective, and Castlevania 1 has been one of my top 3 favorite NES games for years. Looking forward to making him my new main, and his white+pink look is fucking fabulous. Edit- I know Simon is from Castlevania 1 and Richter is from Rondo of Blood/Dracula X, but while Castlevania 1 got me into the series, I think Richter looks better in this game.

Marth: Never played his archetype before but always wanted to. Apparently Marth is really good in Ultimate which unfortunately does sway my opinion slightly.

Villager: My Smash 4 main. I may switch between him and Isabelle depending on how much I like her changes, but in general Villager was the Smash addition I always wanted (and they even kept my preferred look for him, instead of the lankier New Leaf "people.") Moveset is fun and interesting and he has some of the best taunts in the game.

Lucas: The Smash 4 version of Marth for me; didn't play him or Ness much, but wanted to learn, and I'm a fan of Earthbound Zero and still pray for a US release of Mother 3. Lucas is also the only Amiibo I own.

Luigi: My 64/Melee/Brawl main. Didn't like some of the changes in Smash 4 and I don't like some of the changes I see in Ultimate either, but when I play him it's like riding a bike. He's a very standard, fundamental fighter, and I know his moveset like the back of my hand, so playing him is always really natural.

Toon Link: The funnest Link. I was overjoyed when Young Link was replaced by his far superior Wind Waker descendant (or whatever). Unfortunately ever since his first appearance in Brawl he's become less and less "Toon" which is lame but whatever.

Piranha Plant: Looks like a lot of fun (and much more up my alley than past "weird" chars G&W, ROB, and Duck Hunt) but I'll make a final call when he's actually released.

[nachobro]

Plant does look interesting. I'll definitely give it a shot once it drops.

For me, I picked Lucina cause she's basically babby Marth and everyone said she's good for noobs so that seems perfect (I found the Marth spacing stuff to be a little difficult), but I may eventually swap to Roy cause I enjoy playing up in someone's face. I played Peach with the Daisy costume since Melee so Daisy is an obvious pick, and though I'm not normally into big bodies I've been wanting K Rool for quite a while so I'm gonna give him some time and see what I think of him.

I was playing a lot of Robin in 4 as well, but he really wasn't very good so that was disheartening. I may get back to him in Ultimate but I'm in no rush.

[Nintex]

I'm looking forward to checking out the new characters and the DLC of Smash Bros. U that I never bothered with.
Smash Bros. U was my least favorite so hopefully this can rekindle my love for the series.

It looks really great.

[Tasty]

Plant does look interesting. I'll definitely give it a shot once it drops.

For me, I picked Lucina cause she's basically babby Marth and everyone said she's good for noobs so that seems perfect (I found the Marth spacing stuff to be a little difficult), but I may eventually swap to Roy cause I enjoy playing up in someone's face. I played Peach with the Daisy costume since Melee so Daisy is an obvious pick, and though I'm not normally into big bodies I've been wanting K Rool for quite a while so I'm gonna give him some time and see what I think of him.

I was playing a lot of Robin in 4 as well, but he really wasn't very good so that was disheartening. I may get back to him in Ultimate but I'm in no rush.

Yeah the few times I played as Marth/Lucina in 4, I preferred Lucina. She also has that fantastic mask alt costume. But I want to put dat work into the "advanced" version. If it doesn't work out I'll switch back to Lucina.

[nachobro]

Yeah she's probably just gonna be my starter to learn that sword style of character. The way I had it explained to me was that Lucina is the "default" sword character, Marth has a bit more spacing cause he does more damage with the tip of his sword, and Roy is the rushdown version as he does more damage with the hilt.

Chrom fits in there somehow too but I think he's related in style to Roy?

edit: here's what i saw

Roy is a Semi-Clone of Marth.

He has similar moves to Marth like Counter and the Dancing Blade.

Chrom is Roy’s echo who has Ike’s up special.

Marth’s Sword does more damage at the tip, Roy does more damage at the base, and Lucina and Chrom are anywhere on the sword but damage is fixed.

Who’s better? It depends on your playstyle.

Prefer Attacking from a distance? Go Marth.

Prefer being close and aggressive? Go Roy.

Prefer Marth’s Move set but don’t like the distance? Go Lucina.

Like Roy’s aggressiveness but not his close range? Go Chrom. (Warning, his recovery isn’t as good as Roy’s so you’ll have to rely on air dodging more than Roy would but in trade you get Roy’s move set without being forced to be close)

 

[Tasty]

Sounds about right. They probably should stop adding FE characters tbh...

Also, theory: Monster Hunter will be one of the DLC fighters, coinciding with a Monster Hunter World for Switch announcement.

Rathalos and a story mode-only MH stage are already in the base game, so...

[Nintex]

I forgot about Sylux.

if that thing is indeed a big part of MP4 a good chance Nintendo wants to promote the character through Smash.

[Tasty]

That would cause a lot of headscratching, maybe even more than Chrome.

Also:



Backrolls are 5 frames worse than front rolls in this game, a change from Smash 4. Basically backrolls have been nerfed to curb defensive play (like the rest of the engine it seems.)

Everything I'm hearing about Simon/Richter makes me want to play them even more.

[Tasty]

Also I sorta predicted there would probably be a new story mode, not the only one of course but I didn't see anyone even thinking about it when I made my post in early July.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UepuIYnutdY

Man the more I see of this game, especially in the hands of pros fighting 1v1, the more I really do think this will be the ultimate Smash game.

Also, two pet theories I have:

1. Waluigi will be the one of the first DLC characters, if there's DLC at all. I would estimate the final roster is already locked in place and they're basically just tweaking/balancing things right now. IIRC Brawl went gold in October, two months before its December Japanese release. If that timeline holds true, there's only three months left until Ultimate goes gold. But with DLC, hope springs eternal, and not only has Reggie confirmed Sakurai will hear about all the Waluigi stuff in the west but Mario Tennis just came out, which is where his character started. I don't care either way, I'm actually good on Smash characters now, but it's just been something I've been thinking about.

2. There will be a story mode with cutscenes of some sort. Probably not as in-depth or self-serious as Subspace Emissary, but the Ridley trailer ends in a peculiar way I feel -- we see Ridley do his Final Smash on Samus, which blows her ship and her up, but then we cut back to CG and it's the same environment as the beginning of the trailer. She's also jumping out of the flames here (in ZSS form) and begins to counterattack Ridley. The trailer's first CG part didn't show Samus getting flamed in that environment, so it seems like a case of creative editing. I dunno, I feel like this is definitely teasing something, because there's otherwise no reason for the ending piece of CG to exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0NdTsmWv8

I also still think Waluigi will be a DLC character too.

[nachobro]

Sounds about right. They probably should stop adding FE characters tbh...

Also, theory: Monster Hunter will be one of the DLC fighters, coinciding with a Monster Hunter World for Switch announcement.

Rathalos and a story mode-only MH stage are already in the base game, so...

That'd be great! She was so wasted in MVCI even though she was a fun character.

[Tasty]

Goku is never going to be in Smash, foh

[Tasty]

Also you mean the same Square that's barely letting Nintendo even doing anything with FF in Smash already?

[nachobro]

yeah square is an awful example regarding smash. they allowed one character (Cloud), one stage (Midgar), two songs (both from ff7), and two spirits (both Cloud) in the game

and the two Cloud spirits are the only things that weren't already in smash 4

[Tasty]

It's not just a "Sakurai comment." It's a core tenet of the series. It's "the biggest videogame crossover ever." Characters have to have originated in a game. I don't see Goku happening.

I'm not going to comment on third parties, except that the DLC roster has been locked in for over a month now, and third-party collaborations take a notoriously long time to negotiate. There assuredly will be at least one or two of them from the five DLC set, but having the majority of them be Capcom, Konami, and Square? Nah.

Waluigi is the last "big" American meme character to make it in, after Ridley and King K. Rool -- both of whom are debuting in this game. And not to put stock in anything he says, but Reggie at least has said Sakurai would be told about the fan desire (and this was months ago, around E3, right around when they'd be deciding the DLC roster.) And this is the game Sakurai's finally caving on those long-asked-for characters despite his own personal reservations (Ridley was too big for three games in a row, and now it's suddenly somehow not an issue...) And no, Goku's not comparable.

I don't care either way, but I'm just reading some tea leaves.