Author Topic: Nothing is Constant Except Change: The Global Climate Thread (Read 55813 times)

Rufus · « **Reply #240 on:** December 22, 2019, 04:11:19 PM »

That aritcle is thin on detail and only talks about value. Efficient farming is nice though, yeah.

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The Dutch are also the world’s top exporter of potatoes and onions and the second largest exporter of vegetables overall in terms of value.

Value looks great, but by volume the Netherlands don't chart anywhere in the top 5.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_producing_countries_of_agricultural_commodities
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More than a third of all global trade in vegetable seeds originates in the Netherlands.

This though... Seeds must have a great value/weight ratio. Would help explain the discrepancy.

Quote from: Nintex on December 22, 2019, 03:51:45 PM

But yeah whatever, just let the planet starve to death and waste tons more water with inefficient farming practices. Who needs the Dutch anyway

It's these weasely superlatives that have me permantently side-eyeing anything you say.

Mandark · « **Reply #241 on:** December 22, 2019, 04:25:35 PM »

Regional industrial cluster + capital intensive approach + focus on relatively higher value exports + access to EU market.

You're looking at overall production of staples vs. value of exports. A small country like NL is never going to show up on a list of top producers. On the flip side, larger countries are mostly using their production to feed themselves; food from Iowa and Nebraska shipped to New York doesn't count as an export.

Rufus · « **Reply #242 on:** December 22, 2019, 04:40:16 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on December 22, 2019, 04:25:35 PM

You're looking at overall production of staples vs. value of exports. A small country like NL is never going to show up on a list of top producers.

I suspected it wouldn't, but the ranking by value had me doubting myself. The implication that anybody would starve if not for the NL is dubious, either way. That was my main point of contention.

Mandark · « **Reply #243 on:** December 22, 2019, 06:06:59 PM »

You can make some inferences from the chart Nintex posted (from a top google result of "Netherlands agriculture exports") which are pretty quick to confirm and undermine his point.

Notice how meat and related products are a much bigger export than vegetables. For all the efficiency hype, it doesn't seem possible that the Netherlands produces the feed needed to support that. Sure enough, NL's the #3 importer of soybeans and #8 importer of corn. They can support a lot of livestock because they've outsourced the production of feed. Of course meat production is wildly inefficient and sacrificing all that feed for livestock is a net negative for the overall food supply.

So EU-hating Nintex is bragging about an agricultural sector that's wholly dependent on its place in a global supply chain* and oriented towards calorie-inefficient profit centers, while fantasizing that it's the world's breadbasket and we're all going to come begging them for food when shit goes down.

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*Kinda funny for a guy who fucking hates the EU and cheerleads for rightwing antiglobalism.

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Raist · « **Reply #244 on:** December 22, 2019, 06:23:22 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on December 22, 2019, 02:36:39 PM

We are the second biggest agri-food exporter in the world.
You would notice the famines.

(Image removed from quote.)

Yes, I'm sure you're some kind of wizards producing so much food for the world while you're probably in the bottom 50 countries in terms of land area, and it's got nothing to do with your ports

chronovore · « **Reply #245 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:40:27 AM »

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/weve-just-had-the-best-decade-in-human-history-seriously/

Rufus · « **Reply #246 on:** December 27, 2019, 07:45:42 AM »

The entire article is a bit handwavey and sparse on actual numbers (Britain used less stuff? Great. What about everywhere else? Re-forestation in developed nations? Great. What about globally?), but this bit had me rolling my eyes violently:

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In fact, all this energy-saving might cause problems. Innovation requires experiments (most of which fail). Experiments require energy. So cheap energy is crucial — as shown by the industrial revolution. Thus, energy may be the one resource that a prospering population should be using more of. Fortunately, it is now possible that nuclear fusion will one day deliver energy in minimalist form, using very little fuel and land.

Probably. Any time now. It will be ready when we need it. Definitely maybe.

Until then, nothing bad will happen.

Nintex · « **Reply #247 on:** December 27, 2019, 08:05:25 AM »

The article is right you know.

6 years:
Genesis '88
Game Gear '90
Sega CD '91
Sega Pico '93
32X '94
Saturn '94
+ various licensed models

6 years (reusing much of the same hardware, which is already reused PC hardware as opposed to a fully custom design):
Xbox One '13
Xbox One S/X '17
Xbox One D '19

Not to mention a lot of production processes are automated, saving more resources.
30 - 40 years ago, we didn't have recycling. Now we recycle pretty much everything and turn old things into new things.

Also imagine the resources we save by people and organizations who used to need a ton of resources to achieve their goals.
The USSR needed to upkeep an army of tens of thousands of military vehicles, tanks, planes, missiles, border fences, infantry weapons etc. to be relevant in geo politics.
All that can now be replaced by a single boi with a laptop with access to a Facebook ad account.

Nintex · « **Reply #248 on:** February 22, 2020, 02:37:52 PM »

Our government is investing in bio mass as a renewable energy source but we don't have that many large forests. And we aren't going to ruin our landscape.

So instead Dutch tax payers directly fund cutting down forests in the United States for our bio mass demand.

https://twitter.com/tomvanteinde/status/1231138544040718337

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #249 on:** March 26, 2020, 10:52:44 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-52043554

Australia's Great Barrier Reef has suffered another mass bleaching event - the third in just five years.

toku · « **Reply #250 on:** April 15, 2020, 08:55:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/johnmoralesnbc6/status/1250513598788575234

$:-\$

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #251 on:** April 15, 2020, 09:28:45 PM »

Quote from: toku on April 15, 2020, 08:55:25 PM

https://twitter.com/johnmoralesnbc6/status/1250513598788575234

$:-\$

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #252 on:** April 15, 2020, 09:50:44 PM »

toku, get outta there

Nintex · « **Reply #253 on:** April 18, 2020, 06:49:50 AM »

Let the virus ride. Mother Nature is saving us from ourselves.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD QUEEN

VomKriege · « **Reply #254 on:** April 18, 2020, 10:45:42 AM »

https://www.ft.com/content/da821c64-b2f8-4119-afa1-fdafa9a57918

EU has awarded a contract to BlackRock to give them counsel on "green" regulations.
European green deputies are not happy about that, citing the assets they own in fossil energies, among other things.

Rufus · « **Reply #255 on:** April 18, 2020, 11:01:14 AM »

I can't muster a stupid Von der Leyen handing off to consultants joke.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #256 on:** April 18, 2020, 11:45:32 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52312260

Climate change: US megadrought 'already under way'

California is going to be one big fire this summer.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #257 on:** April 18, 2020, 04:45:06 PM »

there is no reasoning with some people
got people talking out both corners of their mouth mid pandemic and people act surprised climate change skepticism is a big thing, some people will pied piper into a mass grave no matter the crisis

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #258 on:** April 18, 2020, 04:56:48 PM »

here it hasn't gone above ~65 Fahrenheit in almost 7 months
snowed a bunch recently too

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #259 on:** April 19, 2020, 05:12:41 PM »

https://www.climatechangenews.com/2020/04/16/south-korea-implement-green-new-deal-ruling-party-election-win/

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #260 on:** June 23, 2020, 01:57:44 AM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #261 on:** October 28, 2020, 09:29:49 AM »

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/oct/27/sleeping-giant-arctic-methane-deposits-starting-to-release-scientists-find

team filler · « **Reply #262 on:** October 28, 2020, 10:04:31 AM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #263 on:** November 02, 2020, 12:30:27 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54779877

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #264 on:** April 01, 2021, 11:24:24 AM »

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/amazon-rainforest-now-emits-more-greenhouse-gases-it-absorbs-180977347/

chronovore · « **Reply #265 on:** April 01, 2021, 11:25:31 AM »

Quote from: Madrun Badrun on April 01, 2021, 11:24:24 AM

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/amazon-rainforest-now-emits-more-greenhouse-gases-it-absorbs-180977347/

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #266 on:** April 01, 2021, 11:56:05 AM »

Whelp it was fun breathing air for a few decades.

Tasty · « **Reply #267 on:** April 01, 2021, 12:11:39 PM »

Quote from: G The Resurrected on April 01, 2021, 11:56:05 AM

Whelp it was fun breathing air for a few decades.

Transhuman · « **Reply #268 on:** April 01, 2021, 12:12:57 PM »

The biggest thing you can do to decrease your carbon footprint is to stop eating meat.

So yeah, we're all doomed

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #269 on:** April 01, 2021, 12:46:24 PM »

I've reduced my meat consumption a lot over the last year, mostly because of environmental issues.

Tasty · « **Reply #270 on:** April 01, 2021, 01:42:37 PM »

I think I'll go fish + vegetarian in a few years.

BIONIC · « **Reply #271 on:** April 01, 2021, 01:44:33 PM »

How about switching to man meat?

Tasty · « **Reply #272 on:** April 01, 2021, 01:58:50 PM »

Quote from: BIONIC on April 01, 2021, 01:44:33 PM

How about switching to man meat?

Too much protein.

Transhuman · « **Reply #273 on:** April 01, 2021, 04:14:25 PM »

Quote from: Tasty on April 01, 2021, 01:42:37 PM

I think I'll go fish + vegetarian in a few years.

You can do it now, I believe in you

Tasty · « **Reply #274 on:** April 01, 2021, 04:26:28 PM »

Quote from: Transhuman on April 01, 2021, 04:14:25 PM

Quote from: Tasty on April 01, 2021, 01:42:37 PM
I think I'll go fish + vegetarian in a few years.

You can do it now, I believe in you

R-really?

Have you given up red meat too?

Transhuman · « **Reply #275 on:** April 01, 2021, 04:41:29 PM »

Full vegan. It ain't that hard tbh, even though I live somewhere where there isn't a lot of vegan options. Turning down free weed brownies though, I admit that hurt a lot

Tasty · « **Reply #276 on:** April 01, 2021, 05:00:02 PM »

Ok I promise to strongly consider it for my birthday in September. 😚 I'd have to have carve out a mom exception tho.

It would be difficult to near impossible to give up dairy products and fish for me. 🐄🧈🥛🍨🐟🍣🦞🦀🦑🍤🍢

chronovore · « **Reply #277 on:** April 01, 2021, 07:52:22 PM »

Meat is remarkably impractical to raise, and the increasing deforestation for cattle is harmful. Dairy and eggs are on a different scale, by several orders of magnitude. I'll never go vegan, but may go vegetarian. I'm already cutting back substantially on meat.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #278 on:** April 02, 2021, 02:23:55 AM »

I like to cut back on it too, won't go full veggie but reduce. Vegan? Nah, lactose is in my genes. Literally.

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #279 on:** April 02, 2021, 02:37:00 AM »

I straight up cut out milk from my diet because of how much sugar is in it. The replacement is almost as bad for the environment though as I like the Mac nut milks and creamers. I occasionally will get fairlife milk when I can’t get nut milks. We usually only eat meat once a day now instead of with every meal. I’ve tried to cut it out on days even going so far as to introduce other proteins into our life. Tofu has been an awesome addition, I can make a mean meatless taco mix with it and semi soaked garbanzo/chickpeas ground up together and seasoned up nice.

Uncle · « **Reply #280 on:** June 16, 2021, 11:57:47 AM »

2 article

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/irreversible-warming-tipping-point-may-have-been-triggered-arctic-mission-chief

https://medium.com/climate-conscious/climate-doomism-is-the-new-climate-denial-f4a48ddd970

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #281 on:** June 16, 2021, 08:22:03 PM »

"We're already past the tipping point, might as well continue doing nothing," is going to be the conservative talking point eventually.

BIONIC · « **Reply #282 on:** June 16, 2021, 08:33:35 PM »

Also a

talking point

chronovore · « **Reply #283 on:** June 17, 2021, 01:21:56 AM »

Joker?

Raist · « **Reply #284 on:** July 15, 2021, 02:44:48 AM »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/07/14/wobbling-moon-will-cause-devastating-worldwide-flooding-2030s/

Bye Holland

Nintex · « **Reply #285 on:** July 15, 2021, 12:36:04 PM »

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1415201724990636033

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1415315790723698688

The EU has presented their new 'Green New Deal'.

Which basically means no more cars, housing or energy for poor people.

I will hereby coin the term 'climate poverty'

Pissy F Benny · « **Reply #286 on:** July 15, 2021, 02:45:51 PM »

give me a free leccy whip and its cool

Nintex · « **Reply #287 on:** July 27, 2021, 07:55:38 AM »

https://twitter.com/adamndsmith/status/1419984642665590784

Stop washing your dishes

Kurt Russell · « **Reply #288 on:** July 27, 2021, 09:12:11 AM »

Quote from: Nintex on July 27, 2021, 07:55:38 AM

Stop washing your dishes

Adam Smith?

Adam Smith

Nintex · « **Reply #289 on:** August 10, 2021, 08:46:15 AM »

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1425074668919209987

LOCK THEM UP

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #290 on:** September 20, 2021, 02:59:11 PM »

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/coral-reefs-oceans-1.6182305

team filler · « **Reply #291 on:** September 20, 2021, 03:32:42 PM »

I love hamburgers. not wasting the last few good years before global disaster eating hot garbage for breakfast, lunch, and dinner so I can pretend that I'm helping

y'all be cool, I'll be at the taco truck

Tasty · « **Reply #292 on:** September 20, 2021, 03:42:49 PM »

I've been switching to a mostly pescatarian diet, lots of tasty seafood.

Don Rumata · « **Reply #293 on:** September 20, 2021, 04:20:40 PM »

I only eat coral reef.

team filler · « **Reply #294 on:** September 20, 2021, 06:41:10 PM »

I only eat golden corral beef. :tvc

Kurt Russell · « **Reply #295 on:** September 21, 2021, 04:22:49 AM »

Quote from: team filler on September 20, 2021, 03:32:42 PM

I love hamburgers. not wasting the last few good years before global disaster eating hot garbage for breakfast, lunch, and dinner so I can pretend that I'm helping

y'all be cool, I'll be at the taco truck

Well best estimates indicate that the human race will be pretty much extinct within 1 million years, so everything we do right now is ultimately futile in the grand scheme of things.

So... knock yourself out?

Don Rumata · « **Reply #296 on:** September 21, 2021, 10:46:29 AM »

Quote from: Kurt Russell on September 21, 2021, 04:22:49 AM

Quote from: team filler on September 20, 2021, 03:32:42 PM
I love hamburgers. not wasting the last few good years before global disaster eating hot garbage for breakfast, lunch, and dinner so I can pretend that I'm helping

y'all be cool, I'll be at the taco truck

Well best estimates indicate that the human race will be pretty much extinct within 1 million years, so everything we do right now is ultimately futile in the grand scheme of things.

So... knock yourself out?

Only 1 million years left?

Star Citizen devs on suicide watch.

team filler · « **Reply #297 on:** September 21, 2021, 04:44:44 PM »

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-duke-energy-coal-ash-20150514-story.html

Nintex · « **Reply #298 on:** September 21, 2021, 07:41:34 PM »

CLEAN COAL FELLAS

team filler · « **Reply #299 on:** September 21, 2021, 07:49:41 PM »

let me just stop enjoying delicious food, that will solve this! food cucks

meanwhile the people responsible for the real pollution are feasting on maccas

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Author Topic: Nothing is Constant Except Change: The Global Climate Thread (Read 55813 times)