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« Reply #121 on: July 26, 2019, 01:36:47 AM »
This is 100% going to get weaponized against the economic periphery and semi-periphery, isn't it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/24/climate/moodys-ratings-climate-change-data.html

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« Reply #122 on: July 26, 2019, 02:06:19 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48964736

RIP humanity

We can also blame Hillary Clinton's campaign for not winning in 2016 contributing to this because we need policy now.

Try to win Arizona and Texas, they said. :doge

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« Reply #124 on: July 26, 2019, 11:21:45 AM »
Goddamnit humans are such a virus

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« Reply #125 on: July 29, 2019, 12:22:17 PM »
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/adding-1-billion-hectares-forest-could-help-check-global-warming

Apparently there is an easy solution to all of this.
For a mere $300 billion we could add 1 billion hectares of forest to help limit global warming.

Instead of deforestation and burning trees for inefficient bio-fuel use we should plant more trees.  :heart
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« Reply #126 on: July 29, 2019, 05:11:46 PM »
In a sane world, a short ultimatum would be handed to Brazil by the international community to stop the deforestation, followed by military invasion. It would be one of the very few just wars in human history.
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« Reply #127 on: July 29, 2019, 05:12:51 PM »
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« Reply #128 on: July 29, 2019, 05:19:03 PM »
Why, what would you do about it? Trade embargo to make the poor part of the population starve first?
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« Reply #129 on: July 29, 2019, 05:20:52 PM »
Lets kill them instead.  :brain

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« Reply #130 on: July 29, 2019, 05:23:41 PM »
Que?
I am talking about ousting the government, putting the country under international control and guarding the remaining Amazon rain forest with UN troops if necessary.
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« Reply #131 on: July 29, 2019, 05:30:11 PM »
Que?
I am talking about ousting the government, putting the country under international control and guarding the remaining Amazon rain forest with UN troops if necessary.

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« Reply #132 on: July 29, 2019, 05:33:22 PM »
Again, what other solution is there? We are close to the point of no return.
It's not going to happen of course because destroying the green lung of our planet doesn't affect short term profits, it merely quickens the demise of humanity.
If there was oil in Brazil, the US would be scrambling to find a casus belli right now.
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« Reply #133 on: July 29, 2019, 05:36:20 PM »
Attacking Brazil (whose government represents a large segment of a society that would presumably object to invasion) while leaving in tact, say, the U.S. consumer economy, seems the epitome of "missing the point" but I'm not a "planting some trees will stop anthropocene" guy.

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« Reply #134 on: July 29, 2019, 05:36:56 PM »
I am still waiting for your hypothetical galaxy brain solutions to this existential threat.

Edit: You can and should do multiple things simultaneously. Stopping the immediate destruction is just one thing.
Changing our global economy is another.
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« Reply #135 on: July 29, 2019, 05:41:38 PM »
OK, here's one, why don't we pay Brazil more money than they will make shredding up the rainforest to not shred up the rainforest.

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« Reply #136 on: July 29, 2019, 05:44:50 PM »
So you are saying this is a hostage situation? You know how those are usually resolved.
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« Reply #137 on: July 29, 2019, 05:46:01 PM »
I know who to call


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« Reply #138 on: July 29, 2019, 05:46:48 PM »
A hostage situation you say? Someone call Putin. He has experience with those.
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« Reply #139 on: July 29, 2019, 05:47:22 PM »
Building a Metal Gear to protect the rain forest is a pretty good idea in comparison.

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« Reply #140 on: July 29, 2019, 05:48:00 PM »
It's a business deal. For years the message to periphery and semi-periphery economies has been "shred your resources to fulfill our needs and in exchange you will theoretically receive some developmental benefits." Now we're asking them to dramatically restructure their modes of production in exchange for... not being violently attacked?

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« Reply #141 on: July 29, 2019, 05:52:15 PM »
It's a business deal. For years the message to periphery and semi-periphery economies has been "shred your resources to fulfill our needs and in exchange you will theoretically receive some developmental benefits." Now we're asking them to dramatically restructure their modes of production in exchange for... not being violently attacked?

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« Reply #142 on: July 29, 2019, 05:54:58 PM »
Oh, I am absolutely in favour of supporting Brazil's infrastructure, I would gladly pay a rainforest tax.
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« Reply #143 on: July 29, 2019, 06:05:46 PM »
Oh, I am absolutely in favour of supporting Brazil's infrastructure, I would gladly pay a rainforest tax.

That's considerably different from "Let's invade a Top 10 economy, topple their government, and leave behind a significant military presence indefinitely."
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« Reply #144 on: July 29, 2019, 06:11:17 PM »
ecofascistic imperialism, colonialism for a new age

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« Reply #145 on: July 29, 2019, 06:29:47 PM »
Oh, I am absolutely in favour of supporting Brazil's infrastructure, I would gladly pay a rainforest tax.

That's considerably different from "Let's invade a Top 10 economy, topple their government, and leave behind a significant military presence indefinitely."

Most people won't be in favor of paying such a tax, especially not the wealthy. Do you think I could successfully run for office with the promise of introducing a rainforest tax?
The other problem is that you still need a regime change in Brazil. Without it the money wouldn't actually be used to save anything but instead line the pockets of the ruling class and the populist right wing government. Getting paid by the international community while continuing deforestation? =Twice the money. :rollsafe
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« Reply #146 on: July 29, 2019, 07:11:30 PM »
The eco fascism thing, but unironically
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Re: Nothing is Constant Except Change: The Global Climate Thread
« Reply #147 on: August 08, 2019, 05:36:44 AM »
In a sane world, a short ultimatum would be handed to Brazil by the international community to stop the deforestation, followed by military invasion. It would be one of the very few just wars in human history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_Me_Liberty#Part_1:_Homes_&_Gardens

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Re: Nothing is Constant Except Change: The Global Climate Thread
« Reply #148 on: August 08, 2019, 09:34:18 AM »
The greatest determiner of people adapting to future climate change is prosperity. If you "pay off" countries in order to keep them as quasi-third/second world countries then you are just dooming millions of their people to hardship/death in the future.


There has to be a balance where we allow countries to elevate themselves (through the same means that current first world countries did), but in a more responsible manner.

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« Reply #149 on: August 08, 2019, 09:48:27 AM »
There has to be a balance where we allow countries to elevate themselves (through the same means that current first world countries did), but in a more responsible manner.

So Brazil should invade us.

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Re: Nothing is Constant Except Change: The Global Climate Thread
« Reply #151 on: August 08, 2019, 11:07:37 PM »
This is 100% going to get weaponized against the economic periphery and semi-periphery, isn't it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/24/climate/moodys-ratings-climate-change-data.html
In a sane world, a short ultimatum would be handed to Brazil by the international community to stop the deforestation, followed by military invasion. It would be one of the very few just wars in human history.



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« Reply #153 on: August 21, 2019, 03:35:02 PM »
In the interest of the survival of our species and as a matter of self-defense, this needs to be stopped right now, no matter how.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1164155245913505792
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« Reply #154 on: August 21, 2019, 04:11:59 PM »
In the interest of the survival of our species and as a matter of self-defense, this needs to be stopped right now, no matter how.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1164155245913505792
I don't think it can be stopped. At least, I wouldn't have the slightest idea how you could stop a forest fire of this size
It seems like more and more forest is burned every year  :'(

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« Reply #156 on: August 22, 2019, 12:22:54 AM »
ecofascistic imperialism, colonialism for a new age

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so when are we invading brazil

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« Reply #157 on: August 22, 2019, 10:30:07 AM »
We won't, and then we're all going to die. But at least we'll then be able to look back contentedly (for a short moment at least) at the time this crisis was unfolding and when a quick intervention could have prevented a global catastrophe resulting in the death of Billions and be glad it wasn't weaponized against the periphery and its poor right wing goverment.
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« Reply #159 on: August 22, 2019, 11:13:19 AM »
We won't, and then we're all going to die. But at least we'll then be able to look back contentedly (for a short moment at least) at the time this crisis was unfolding and when a quick intervention could have prevented a global catastrophe resulting in the death of Billions and be glad it wasn't weaponized against the periphery and its poor right wing goverment.
That's the rationale that got Truman and others to meddle in South American affairs during the cold war of which Bolsonaro is a logical outcome.
The Brazilians themselves should handle it otherwise you'll end up in the same boat a few years from now. We're already seeing that Bolsonaro's approval numbers are tanking because he can't 'magically' fix the economy.

The only thing that would work is a grand bargain in which Europe, Japan, the US and others pay less developed countries like Brazil, Russia and other countries with ecologically important areas billions of dollars every year to prop up their economies in exchange for properly maintaining such areas.
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« Reply #161 on: August 22, 2019, 03:02:10 PM »
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1164591334168154115

Well.. he is at least aware this is happening and says that he doesn't have the resources to fight it.
Bolivia has just bought a 737 super tanker to deal with the fires on their side of the border. Maybe they can help out.
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« Reply #162 on: August 22, 2019, 03:04:36 PM »
Send in the water jet tanks from the soviets

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« Reply #163 on: August 22, 2019, 08:25:42 PM »
"We are no longer forces to submit to 'international aid'... we can respond ourselves immediately."

Getting strong Thomas Sankara vibes.
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« Reply #164 on: August 22, 2019, 09:25:54 PM »
This shit is making me socialist again lmao :rofl these mfers
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« Reply #165 on: August 22, 2019, 09:43:30 PM »
This shit is making me socialist again lmao :rofl these mfers

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« Reply #166 on: August 22, 2019, 09:49:17 PM »
If we're past the point of no return, why bother. Everyone run their ACs with the windows open the rest of summer :jeb

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« Reply #167 on: August 22, 2019, 09:50:21 PM »
This shit is making me socialist again lmao :rofl these mfers

Most days it feels like a strong breeze is enough to initiate radical change in you.

It was a joke but ok.
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« Reply #168 on: August 22, 2019, 10:24:55 PM »
As a side note, it's amazing that in 600 years primitive accumulation really hasn't changed :leon

Capital is nothing if not consistent :obama
reminds me of that one scene in The Act of Killing where the rich guy just openly brags about how they hire "gangsters" to kick the peasants off the land. In the 21st century! Today! You watch other societies develop and even in the context of foreign capital you can't help but be like "oh, yeah, Adam Smith was definitely wrong. They kill people and enclose the commons. Look, it's on video."
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« Reply #169 on: August 22, 2019, 10:42:30 PM »
If we're past the point of no return, why bother. Everyone run their ACs with the windows open the rest of summer :jeb
Electric bills are still a thing, you know.  :doge

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« Reply #170 on: August 23, 2019, 06:59:13 AM »
We won't, and then we're all going to die. But at least we'll then be able to look back contentedly (for a short moment at least) at the time this crisis was unfolding and when a quick intervention could have prevented a global catastrophe resulting in the death of Billions and be glad it wasn't weaponized against the periphery and its poor right wing goverment.

I agree that goading the Trump administration into invading and occupying Brazil would be the smart and good thing to do.

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« Reply #171 on: August 23, 2019, 07:24:44 AM »
We won't, and then we're all going to die. But at least we'll then be able to look back contentedly (for a short moment at least) at the time this crisis was unfolding and when a quick intervention could have prevented a global catastrophe resulting in the death of Billions and be glad it wasn't weaponized against the periphery and its poor right wing goverment.

I agree that goading the Trump administration into invading and occupying Brazil would be the smart and good thing to do.

"WOW did you see those planes. Bang bang, bing bing.... I told you we would win if we used the Napalm again. And they said 'oh sir please don't use the NAPALM... it burns so much' and then the trees. NAPALM do we love that word?
I asked the other day to a great veteran of Vietnam. I said, what could we have done to win and he said burn more trees so we could see the damn bastards but the Geneva wouldn't let us.
Geneva? Never met her and believe me they don't have the US military in Geneva I can tell you that.

We won bigly folks. Now for my first action. You all care very much about the Amazons right. That's why we did this and why Congress asked me to take action... look CNN is smiling!
Even the media likes me now. It would never happen again they said, remember that ooooh it would never happen again. Yet they voted for this Nazi can you believe how STUPID the people of Brazil are.
Lucky we got there in time folks. Luckily we got there in time before they started rounding up the Jews at Amazon. Talk about a brand killer.

Now I'm happy to announce that my son Eric Trump will be the new President of the Amazon and Brazil. Who better than a guy who knows a lot of about forests and hunting and believe me he knows a lot.
We're going to start raking, we're going to start cutting and sawing and farming and most of all we're going to start building and make The Amazon Great Again. Fantastic everyone. THANK YOU"
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« Reply #172 on: August 23, 2019, 07:46:09 AM »
If we're past the point of no return, why bother. Everyone run their ACs with the windows open the rest of summer :jeb
Electric bills are still a thing, you know.  :doge

Make sure you get paper billing and the bigger the bill the more paper is used :jeb

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« Reply #173 on: August 24, 2019, 06:51:31 AM »
We won't, and then we're all going to die. But at least we'll then be able to look back contentedly (for a short moment at least) at the time this crisis was unfolding and when a quick intervention could have prevented a global catastrophe resulting in the death of Billions and be glad it wasn't weaponized against the periphery and its poor right wing goverment.

I agree that goading the Trump administration into invading and occupying Brazil would be the smart and good thing to do.

"WOW did you see those planes. Bang bang, bing bing.... I told you we would win if we used the Napalm again. And they said 'oh sir please don't use the NAPALM... it burns so much' and then the trees. NAPALM do we love that word?
I asked the other day to a great veteran of Vietnam. I said, what could we have done to win and he said burn more trees so we could see the damn bastards but the Geneva wouldn't let us.
Geneva? Never met her and believe me they don't have the US military in Geneva I can tell you that.

We won bigly folks. Now for my first action. You all care very much about the Amazons right. That's why we did this and why Congress asked me to take action... look CNN is smiling!
Even the media likes me now. It would never happen again they said, remember that ooooh it would never happen again. Yet they voted for this Nazi can you believe how STUPID the people of Brazil are.
Lucky we got there in time folks. Luckily we got there in time before they started rounding up the Jews at Amazon. Talk about a brand killer.

Now I'm happy to announce that my son Eric Trump will be the new President of the Amazon and Brazil. Who better than a guy who knows a lot of about forests and hunting and believe me he knows a lot.
We're going to start raking, we're going to start cutting and sawing and farming and most of all we're going to start building and make The Amazon Great Again. Fantastic everyone. THANK YOU"

This is… way too easy to envision.

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« Reply #174 on: August 24, 2019, 06:56:10 AM »
This shit is making me socialist again lmao :rofl these mfers

Most days it feels like a strong breeze is enough to initiate radical change in you.

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« Reply #175 on: August 24, 2019, 02:10:34 PM »
We won't, and then we're all going to die. But at least we'll then be able to look back contentedly (for a short moment at least) at the time this crisis was unfolding and when a quick intervention could have prevented a global catastrophe resulting in the death of Billions and be glad it wasn't weaponized against the periphery and its poor right wing goverment.

I agree that goading the Trump administration into invading and occupying Brazil would be the smart and good thing to do.

"WOW did you see those planes. Bang bang, bing bing.... I told you we would win if we used the Napalm again. And they said 'oh sir please don't use the NAPALM... it burns so much' and then the trees. NAPALM do we love that word?
I asked the other day to a great veteran of Vietnam. I said, what could we have done to win and he said burn more trees so we could see the damn bastards but the Geneva wouldn't let us.
Geneva? Never met her and believe me they don't have the US military in Geneva I can tell you that.

We won bigly folks. Now for my first action. You all care very much about the Amazons right. That's why we did this and why Congress asked me to take action... look CNN is smiling!
Even the media likes me now. It would never happen again they said, remember that ooooh it would never happen again. Yet they voted for this Nazi can you believe how STUPID the people of Brazil are.
Lucky we got there in time folks. Luckily we got there in time before they started rounding up the Jews at Amazon. Talk about a brand killer.

Now I'm happy to announce that my son Eric Trump will be the new President of the Amazon and Brazil. Who better than a guy who knows a lot of about forests and hunting and believe me he knows a lot.
We're going to start raking, we're going to start cutting and sawing and farming and most of all we're going to start building and make The Amazon Great Again. Fantastic everyone. THANK YOU"

This is… way too easy to envision.

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« Reply #178 on: August 29, 2019, 06:27:18 AM »
E.P.A. to Roll Back Regulations on Methane, a Potent Greenhouse Gas

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/climate/epa-methane-greenhouse-gas.html

(The P in E.P.A. stands for "pollution".)
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« Reply #179 on: September 06, 2019, 12:44:19 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/trump-pushes-to-allow-new-logging-in-alaskas-tongass-national-forest/2019/08/27/b4ca78d6-c832-11e9-be05-f76ac4ec618c_story.html?noredirect=on

I am just stunned at how much he's willing to destroy shit. I bet he's got all kinds of graft that's stupidly easy to track. If only the rest of government was doing their job on emoluments, etc.