Author Topic: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry. (Read 219401 times)

benjipwns · « **Reply #1800 on:** April 01, 2020, 02:22:08 AM »

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Cornelius Adrian Comstock Vermeule (/vərˈmjuːl/[1], born May 2, 1968) is an American legal scholar, currently a law professor at Harvard Law School.

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Since converting to Catholicism, Vermeule is now an advocate of integralism, a Roman Catholic political doctrine which calls for the abolition of the division between church and state, in order that the resulting theocratic state can promote a religiously-determined "Highest Good" in place of the personal autonomy of a liberal democracy. Their ideal is to create this new confessional Catholic regime through "strategic raillement", or transformation from within institutions and bureaucracies, rather than by winning elections. The groundwork for a full integralist regime would then be in place when liberal democracy dies. The new state would "exercise coercion over baptized citizens in a manner different from non-baptized citizens".[9][10][11]

To achieve this end, Vermeule has suggested giving confirmed Catholics priority in immigration, allowing them to "jump immediately to the head of the queue". Vermeule describes this as being essential to "the eventual formation of the Empire of Our Lady of Guadalupe, and ultimately the world government required by natural law".[12]

BisMarckie · « **Reply #1801 on:** April 01, 2020, 10:12:30 AM »

The popists are at it again.

Kulturkampf NOW

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1802 on:** April 01, 2020, 08:07:34 PM »

Automation should tie into things should it not?
Increase in productivity but no reward for the worker. Increasing concentration of capital. Utilize research across the world and years for the purpose of the cheapest and most exploitable labour possible. Foreground for class conflict fomentation. Etc...

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1803 on:** April 01, 2020, 08:55:36 PM »

Anarchism is speccing into dorkism so no worries

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1804 on:** April 02, 2020, 01:21:33 AM »

Was an interesting read. Post-Corona is a plump topic.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200331-covid-19-how-will-the-coronavirus-change-the-world

And
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/19/coronavirus-effect-economy-life-society-analysis-covid-135579

team filler · « **Reply #1805 on:** April 02, 2020, 11:40:33 AM »

shosta · « **Reply #1806 on:** April 02, 2020, 10:46:34 PM »

I don't know where else to share this but I just need curly to see it

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/1245711159434653697

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/1245472220937404416

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/1245163515524124679

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/1245164619330719744

she is NOT handling this well

team filler · « **Reply #1807 on:** April 02, 2020, 10:58:37 PM »

https://twitter.com/cordeliers/status/1234552779370307592

team filler · « **Reply #1808 on:** April 02, 2020, 11:01:01 PM »

Quote from: shosta on April 02, 2020, 10:46:34 PM

I don't know where else to share this but I just need curly to see it

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/1245711159434653697

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/1245472220937404416

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/1245163515524124679

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/1245164619330719744

she is NOT handling this well

she hot?

Tripon · « **Reply #1809 on:** April 03, 2020, 08:44:06 PM »

https://twitter.com/jasonhickel/status/1246168459471437827

shosta · « **Reply #1810 on:** April 03, 2020, 11:02:04 PM »

pretty sure we're literally in a revolutionary situation right now. would be cool if the movement had been organized and articulated clear goals other than expanding federal programs.

toku · « **Reply #1811 on:** April 03, 2020, 11:04:26 PM »

virgin clear goals vs chad charismatic championing of broad ideas and action

VomKriege · « **Reply #1812 on:** April 04, 2020, 12:25:14 PM »

Fucking lol at those Twitter handles. Club des Cordeliers, Rosa Luxembourgeoise...

team filler · « **Reply #1813 on:** April 05, 2020, 05:48:25 PM »

Tripon · « **Reply #1814 on:** April 07, 2020, 06:20:31 PM »

https://twitter.com/KateAronoff/status/1247401849105330182

shosta · « **Reply #1815 on:** April 07, 2020, 10:06:20 PM »

It's not subtle and it's not hate but that's like one of his biggest ideas ('real competition' vs imperfect competition). Shaikh's a back to basics guy. Sweezy and Baran, especially after Steindl's work on stagnation caused by capacity under-utilization, developed a whole strain of Marxist analysis that centered primarily around monopolies. The empirical data never really shook out in their favor and there's no correlation between industry concentration or profit rates. Or firm size and profit rates.

But none of Marx's arguments relied on the existence of monopoly powers imposing large markups. Market competition and the mode of production were enough to produce all of Marx's basic theses about capitalism.

You should read that book if you want to change your specialty from humanities dork to economics dork

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There’s been a tendency on the part of some Marxists to dismiss the relation between these three thinkers. That means setting aside the forty years of work Marx did on the real patterns of capitalism. Marxists become complacently satisfied with the ideas of exploitation — which they understand as an abstract process, a seriously inadequate conception, in my opinion — and alienation.

But why did Marx then bother with things like the “reserve army of labor,” “circuits of capital,” “schemes of reproduction,” “prices of production,” “differential and absolute rent,” etc.? Couldn’t he have been a “good” Marxist and just stopped at “surplus value,” “exploitation,” and “commodity fetishism,” devoting the rest of his life to politics? In my view the conventional Marxist focus compresses and diminishes Marx’s work to a particular range of topics with which Marxists have become comfortable.

That’s partly because you don’t need to deal with competition and all the complex phenomena to which it gives rise if you start off with the assumption of monopoly. This is the orthodox line within Marxist theory, which I reject.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1816 on:** April 08, 2020, 05:02:06 PM »

Quote from: Esch on April 08, 2020, 04:41:45 PM

https://williambowles.info/2020/04/05/why-coronavirus-could-spark-a-capitalist-supernova/

By John Smith (author of Imperialism in the 21st Century)

Interesting read. Yeah, it does seem like the current situation is one for which the South will get the short-end. But can't say it's shocking, all around there is prioritization within borders.
Or in the case of the USA, not even, much more dysfunctional and even the States and Feds unable to function as one.

Certainly the discourse is going to be on some real shit this year, where that leads, we shall see.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1817 on:** April 08, 2020, 05:38:54 PM »

Yes it is a little weird seeing his attempt at motivating, he doesn't have the chops Parenti has

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1818 on:** April 08, 2020, 07:37:56 PM »

On that note, finally mustered motivation to read a bit.
Against Empire

Arms for Profit section, how cutting and relevant

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1819 on:** April 08, 2020, 08:35:01 PM »

fuck you americans, you devils

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1820 on:** April 09, 2020, 01:11:55 AM »

Melted through that shit like James through goodwill or Mandark through Shosta.
Fuck, now I'm mad and want to do something but can't even leave the house

team filler · « **Reply #1821 on:** April 09, 2020, 02:54:11 PM »

https://twitter.com/TwinklingTania/status/1248303683839733761

shosta · « **Reply #1822 on:** April 09, 2020, 03:25:33 PM »

trump won't halt deportations. me trying to figure out how farm labor is both illegal and essential:

El Babua · « **Reply #1823 on:** April 10, 2020, 12:13:27 AM »

Most of the Covid spoils have been taken by capital already.

Let's see how housebroken the west really is, cause things need to get violent if labor wants to keep any remnants of power they had previously.

shosta · « **Reply #1824 on:** April 10, 2020, 12:25:11 AM »

toku · « **Reply #1825 on:** April 10, 2020, 01:05:30 AM »

I think everyones trying to be cool but nobody here in america at least seems to be thinking past May 1st in any capacity rn. It's really scary.

VomKriege · « **Reply #1826 on:** April 10, 2020, 02:46:07 AM »

Quote from: toku on April 10, 2020, 01:05:30 AM

I think everyones trying to be cool but nobody here in america at least seems to be thinking past May 1st in any capacity rn. It's really scary.

It's not just the US. Governments don't even have an exit strategy, at least not one they shared with us yet, lockdowns are being reviewed and renewed every two weeks... No visibility.

benjipwns · « **Reply #1827 on:** April 10, 2020, 02:53:39 AM »

Quote from: Esch on April 09, 2020, 05:44:17 PM

We haven't really talked about it in here but this corona thing has been a massive blow to everyone in organized labor. Hotels around here for example fired all the union employees asap as soon as this happened, to sum up all my interactions its been a real hollowing out of several strongly unionized industries and a lot of organizing is going to have to start over from block one. Sucks big ass. People are talking about how the bernie L will get people in the DSA or PSL or whatever but as far as legacy organized labor I don't have anything good to say

Article I saw today but have not read beyond the topline: https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-the-union-where-coronavirus-puts-98--of-members-out-of-work

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Unite Here was a rare union success story. But then the coronavirus decimated the restaurant, food service and hotel industries, where most of its 307,000 members work. “We’re fighting for our survival,” its president told ProPublica.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1828 on:** April 11, 2020, 04:40:04 PM »

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1829 on:** April 11, 2020, 05:21:28 PM »

Looking up leftist movements in this political meme of a province.
There is an Alberta Communist Party and they get memed on for looking dorky

shosta · « **Reply #1830 on:** April 12, 2020, 01:40:06 AM »

Quote from: toku on April 10, 2020, 01:05:30 AM

I think everyones trying to be cool but nobody here in america at least seems to be thinking past May 1st in any capacity rn. It's really scary.

in the first world we'll just push the keynesian gas pedal. I'm confident it'll work. There are so many businesses idle and ready to go. The Fed is also fully accommodating and we, luckily, had our next financial crisis prematurely so things will be sorted out by the time everything has to be online again. We might have a lot of net loss still, and it'll be painful for a while, but nothing like the depression or even as bad as the last recession.

The developing world is completely ass fucked though. I don't even want to get into this. We're not going to help, either, because "we have our own problems". They deserve our support, our attention, and most importantly our solidarity. Say no to debt restructuring, advocate for relief, demand free medical aid and personnel. And say no to repercussions for China.

Tripon · « **Reply #1831 on:** April 12, 2020, 12:11:45 PM »

https://twitter.com/Ad_Inifinitum/status/1248803909977681922

shosta · « **Reply #1832 on:** April 12, 2020, 12:59:31 PM »

VomKriege · « **Reply #1833 on:** April 12, 2020, 01:06:22 PM »

Quote from: shosta on April 12, 2020, 12:59:31 PM

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Didn't know Kirblar was into Photoshop.

shosta · « **Reply #1834 on:** April 12, 2020, 01:08:08 PM »

Just realized Sweden and Mexico are on the left

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1835 on:** April 12, 2020, 02:18:18 PM »

On one end we've got fascism and the "new axis", imperial japan but nazis go on da other end doe

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1836 on:** April 12, 2020, 02:18:57 PM »

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1837 on:** April 12, 2020, 03:48:40 PM »

claim your esoteric niches
maybe leftwing nationalism for me

but dark enlightenment sounds edgy

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1838 on:** April 12, 2020, 04:16:15 PM »

Queer Anarchism

VomKriege · « **Reply #1839 on:** April 13, 2020, 10:07:05 AM »

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2020, 10:01:26 AM

The anger in the comments

https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/1249351571831435269

Thread. People are dying. Please read.
Send recs for Netflix viewing, I finished my Friends marathon.

shosta · « **Reply #1840 on:** April 13, 2020, 10:31:29 AM »

How can you be an electoralist organization but not consistently vote for the lesser evil?

VomKriege · « **Reply #1841 on:** April 13, 2020, 11:03:49 AM »

@Kremlin : Politburo will not endorse @MarshallTito.

Oblivion · « **Reply #1842 on:** April 13, 2020, 11:22:27 AM »

https://twitter.com/fishplums/status/1249639385785647104

Pissy F Benny · « **Reply #1843 on:** April 13, 2020, 12:27:34 PM »

I'm sure that document would have been picked up by the tory media at a more opportune time

Can't say I'm shocked that the anti-semitism thing was kind of over egged though

None of this is really a shock though, and I'm someone whose eyes glazed over whenever seeing something about the pro/anti corbers faction warz and undermining.

VomKriege · « **Reply #1844 on:** April 13, 2020, 01:46:07 PM »

As far as I understand the antisemitism issues are real but existed before Corbyn's tenure, were equally brushed over then and there's not a lot of water to the idea that his brand of leftism was a catalyst. The investigation also concludes that factions actively sabotaged the party and that they quite literally would rather lose elections than having him win (or at least have any sort of good showing).

Pissy F Benny · « **Reply #1845 on:** April 13, 2020, 01:59:26 PM »

Oh they're real, its not unsual to see someone going from criticising isreal as a nation to going full on anti semite is it? But I still think it was blown out of proportion into something bigger as a stick to beat labour with and I'm sure pro isreal types hyped it up too because the last thing they'd want is a pro palestine prime minister

The 2 or 3 attempted "coups" from the centrists or w/e you wanna call them was probably proof enough that they'd sooner eat and drink their own piss and shit for 5 years than have corbyn in power. Still fucking crazy they'd sabotage their own party from within, but not shocking at all.

I suppose it couldn't have come at a better time for the current labour leadership because aside from corbyn hardcores, no one seems to give a shit due to current circumstances

shosta · « **Reply #1846 on:** April 13, 2020, 02:03:06 PM »

we have the filler wordfilter for a reason

shosta · « **Reply #1847 on:** April 13, 2020, 02:04:07 PM »

I liked Rebecca Long Bailey btw, she was the clear favorite until she wasn't so can someone explain to me what happened?

Pissy F Benny · « **Reply #1848 on:** April 13, 2020, 02:07:45 PM »

Probably being portrayed as a corbyn puppet and not really doing anything to tackle it.

The whole leadership election was low key as fuck, and Starmer had it in the bag from nearly the start anyway.

shosta · « **Reply #1849 on:** April 13, 2020, 02:10:30 PM »

wankers.

Pissy F Benny · « **Reply #1850 on:** April 13, 2020, 02:14:42 PM »

She was the fav early doors when it was all rumours about who'd be running. There was a poll early on showing starmer had a big lead and it stopped being something that gathered much interest aside from your more engaged party members and what not. This is all going from my terrible memory so don't take it as gospel.

Only thing I remember from any of the debates was them all saying they were fillers

shosta · « **Reply #1851 on:** April 13, 2020, 02:23:44 PM »

Accidentally triggering the wordfilter that we just talked about

people here played it kind of cool and some people LIKE ESCH really played down labour losing but for me it was a huge gut punch. When I woke up and saw those numbers I was truly devastated. It wasn't that long ago that highschool shosta was writing essays about the NHS and wondering why i lived in a backwards country when the UK could accomplish so much with its wealth by comparison (free healthcare and paltry tuitions). Now we both live in backwards countries

but no, really, watching the conservatives destroy everything over ten years has been hard. Like watching your favorite musician fall off and go in and out of rehab.

Pissy F Benny · « **Reply #1852 on:** April 13, 2020, 02:32:23 PM »

tories winning in december wasn't a shock at all here. obviously if may was still in it would have been a different story, but a lot of people love boris for some strange reason and it was full on brexit mania.

I think a lot of people got their hopes up from a few pics on twitter showing a lot of young people queuing up outside polling stations, but the all the polls had it pretty much right this time.

at least we'll probably have another election in the next couple of years if recent history is anything to go by

VomKriege · « **Reply #1853 on:** April 13, 2020, 02:52:23 PM »

Funnily enough then-French-PM Socialist-with-a-Trotskyist-past Lionel Jospin got into hot water for saying Israel had a right to defend itself (while Chirac was more about "Gaullist policy towards Arabs") instead of the pretty stock accusation of being a closet antisemite. Which is indeed something that seems to resurface in a laser focused way every time an old school leftist gets prominent.

shosta · « **Reply #1854 on:** April 13, 2020, 03:18:30 PM »

Jezza didn't die in a suicide attack on Tel Aviv just so you could spit on his grave

Rufus · « **Reply #1855 on:** April 13, 2020, 04:19:55 PM »

Careful with that, or you'll end up breeding a Jinping-level authoritarian.

shosta · « **Reply #1856 on:** April 13, 2020, 04:30:40 PM »

spelling his name wrong

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1857 on:** April 13, 2020, 04:40:17 PM »

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2020, 03:32:09 PM

Critical support for Big Baller Jezz for aspirations of teaching the crimes of the English Empire in schools but he's going to need to go all the way for me and advocate for it's dismantling. Some bonuses would include things like shattering every statue of the monarchy and Winston Churchill. I think we might also want to look into community service projects to help English youth learn from Bangladeshi and Irish farmers in the fields. This would of course be means-tested to select for the heirs of english banks and landlords.

perfidious albions complicit in the deaths of millions of irish and bengali among many others yet I never heard about it in schooling

Rufus · « **Reply #1858 on:** April 13, 2020, 04:44:52 PM »

Quote from: shosta on April 13, 2020, 04:30:40 PM

spelling his name wrong

You saw nothing.

Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 13, 2020, 04:40:17 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2020, 03:32:09 PM
Critical support for Big Baller Jezz for aspirations of teaching the crimes of the English Empire in schools but he's going to need to go all the way for me and advocate for it's dismantling. Some bonuses would include things like shattering every statue of the monarchy and Winston Churchill. I think we might also want to look into community service projects to help English youth learn from Bangladeshi and Irish farmers in the fields. This would of course be means-tested to select for the heirs of english banks and landlords.

perfidious albions complicit in the deaths of millions of irish and bengali among many others yet I never heard about it in schooling

Lizzy 2 is still on your money, isn't she? Small wonder.

shosta · « **Reply #1859 on:** April 13, 2020, 04:48:30 PM »

didn't know you guys were so close you refer to him by his given name

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