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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2018, 01:07:48 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2018, 01:34:10 PM »
You misspelled "Laissez's Faire", hth
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2018, 01:52:01 PM »
Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.
says the revolutionary socialist who believes in accelerationism  :ussrcry

I believe those are mutually exclusive categorizations, but that's for another thread probably.
if you have the time/patience, please do make a thread on that as i am struggling to get my head around it, especially the tech component

Don't know about accelerationists in tech, but an accelerationist as I would use the term posits that capitalism will destroy itself eventually because it contains the seeds of its own destruction within it so accelerating its development is a realistic way of bringing about its collapse. (For a variety of reasons depending on the ideology of the accelerationist, e.g. tendency of the rate of profit to fall, dialectical materialism, inability to live in peace, whatever it is right wing accelerationists believe.)

Revolutionary socialists are one side of an old argument about how to build socialism. Necessarily they have taken the position that capitalism will not collapse into socialism per se and there has to be a roadmap to get there. The 20th century fascist phase provided an explicit example of something else that could be born from capitalism's ashes instead.

Lenin said that socialists should participate in bourgeois governments to demonstrate their dysfunction to the proletariat (in the case of the Russian Revolution at least) as part of building political power. I suppose there's something vaguely accelerationist in that but the notion that Leninism and its various lines are accelerationist is prima facie absurd.

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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2018, 02:00:34 PM »
Laissez-faire

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2018, 02:19:48 PM »
You misspelled "Laissez's Faire", hth
If the market cared, it would've fixed it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2018, 03:44:31 PM »

Don't know about accelerationists in tech, but an accelerationist as I would use the term posits that capitalism will destroy itself eventually because it contains the seeds of its own destruction within it so accelerating its development is a realistic way of bringing about its collapse. (For a variety of reasons depending on the ideology of the accelerationist, e.g. tendency of the rate of profit to fall, dialectical materialism, inability to live in peace, whatever it is right wing accelerationists believe.)

Revolutionary socialists are one side of an old argument about how to build socialism. Necessarily they have taken the position that capitalism will not collapse into socialism per se and there has to be a roadmap to get there. The 20th century fascist phase provided an explicit example of something else that could be born from capitalism's ashes instead.

Lenin said that socialists should participate in bourgeois governments to demonstrate their dysfunction to the proletariat (in the case of the Russian Revolution at least) as part of building political power. I suppose there's something vaguely accelerationist in that but the notion that Leninism and its various lines are accelerationist is prima facie absurd.
ok so i'm with you as far as the first paragraph (although no idea as to the timeframe of this or why capitalism won't evolve/display some sort of self-preservation). the tech stuff comes from what little i've read of nick land's blog, which admittedly to me is largely word soup and makes me think i'm having a stroke (capital is sentient? what?) but apparently not only will some ai come along and rule all, sooner than we think, but it is somehow already engineering its own dominance?

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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2018, 05:39:30 PM »
The obvious historical example is the transition from feudalism to capitalism: landlords didn't disappear, they merely became a faction of the bourgeoisie.

I'm not terribly familiar with Land so I can't help you there.

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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 01:48:09 AM »
The obvious historical example is the transition from feudalism to capitalism: landlords didn't disappear, they merely became a faction of the bourgeoisie.

I'm not terribly familiar with Land so I can't help you there.
fair enough, i guess this is what happens when you rely on twitter! so your concrete example makes complete sense to me but the way some people tweet about it you think there's going to be michael bay-esque explosions everywhere.

if you have any recommendations on further reading i'd really appreciate it; i'm going to go back and re-read ze germans because i've forgotten it all

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2018, 03:19:38 AM »
while not working i found a reader on the topic https://libcom.org/library/accelerate-accelerationist-reader

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Accelerationism is the name of a contemporary political heresy: the insistence that the only radical political response to capitalism is not to protest, disrupt, critique, or détourne it, but to accelerate and exacerbate its uprooting, alienating, decoding, abstractive tendencies.

#Accelerate presents a genealogy of accelerationism, tracking the impulse through 90s UK darkside cyberculture and the theory-fictions of Nick Land, Sadie Plant, Iain Grant, and CCRU, across the cultural underground of the 80s (rave, acid house, SF cinema) and back to its sources in delirious post-68 ferment, in texts whose searing nihilistic jouissance would later be disavowed by their authors and the marxist and academic establishment alike.

On either side of this central sequence, the book includes texts by Marx that call attention to his own ‘Prometheanism’, and key works from recent years document the recent extraordinary emergence of new accelerationisms steeled against the onslaughts of neoliberal capitalist realism, and retooled for the twenty-first century.

At the forefront of the energetic contemporary debate around this disputed, problematic term, #Accelerate activates a historical conversation about futurality, technology, politics, enjoyment and capital. This is a legacy shot through with contradictions, yet urgently galvanized today by the poverty of ‘reasonable’ contemporary political alternatives.

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2018, 04:48:22 PM »
Accelerationism is I believe what Toyota's cars were accused of having as a serious problem, even though from my understanding it could not truly be replicated in multiple studies except through human user error.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2018, 04:52:54 PM »
while not working i found a reader on the topic https://libcom.org/library/accelerate-accelerationist-reader

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Accelerationism is the name of a contemporary political heresy: the insistence that the only radical political response to capitalism is not to protest, disrupt, critique, or détourne it, but to accelerate and exacerbate its uprooting, alienating, decoding, abstractive tendencies.

#Accelerate presents a genealogy of accelerationism, tracking the impulse through 90s UK darkside cyberculture and the theory-fictions of Nick Land, Sadie Plant, Iain Grant, and CCRU, across the cultural underground of the 80s (rave, acid house, SF cinema) and back to its sources in delirious post-68 ferment, in texts whose searing nihilistic jouissance would later be disavowed by their authors and the marxist and academic establishment alike.

On either side of this central sequence, the book includes texts by Marx that call attention to his own ‘Prometheanism’, and key works from recent years document the recent extraordinary emergence of new accelerationisms steeled against the onslaughts of neoliberal capitalist realism, and retooled for the twenty-first century.

At the forefront of the energetic contemporary debate around this disputed, problematic term, #Accelerate activates a historical conversation about futurality, technology, politics, enjoyment and capital. This is a legacy shot through with contradictions, yet urgently galvanized today by the poverty of ‘reasonable’ contemporary political alternatives.

sounds like a load of shit tbh

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2018, 08:20:23 PM »
The obvious historical example is the transition from feudalism to capitalism: landlords didn't disappear, they merely became a faction of the bourgeoisie.

I'm not terribly familiar with Land so I can't help you there.

You play a land destruction style, no?

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2018, 10:14:05 PM »
Is this the dialectic

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2018, 11:51:32 PM »
I stopped playing Canadian Threshold when I stopped playing Legacy. Given my general unsuitability for marriage it's the closest I'll ever come to going through a divorce. :'(

I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night draft Gnarlwood Dryad far too highly in some guy at my local game shop's cube the other week solely because it's a bad Nimble Mongoose though.

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2018, 03:16:55 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2018, 03:40:03 AM »
Is this the dialectic
not all that shines is aufhebung
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2018, 11:51:38 AM »
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/what-capitalism-is/

Teen Vogue's is back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (wolf Howl).

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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2018, 02:28:22 PM »
Is this the dialectic
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less than nothing?

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2018, 05:26:23 PM »
This thread has inspired me to become an Expert™ in Xi Jingping's Thoughts® on Socialism℠. Courses like this are increasingly becoming mandatory in Chinese universities so naturally it must be a critical part of socialist theory.

https://www.edx.org/course/xi-jinpings-thought-on-socialism-with-chinese-characteristics-for-a-new-era

I am now enrolled, but act fast - the course expires on October 25th!



† The thread was the primary motivator, but also, this morning, I bit into what I presumed is a piece of eggshell in my cookie, and I'm going to go ahead and blame capitalism for that.

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2018, 05:42:08 PM »
[Goon Project] let's read the Governance of China

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2018, 05:46:53 PM »
57% liked this book
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I think that counts as "certified fresh"?

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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2018, 01:36:27 PM »
This school's correspondence courses seem p. legit ngl.


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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2018, 03:41:41 PM »
Crash, found some Madden memes you might like.




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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2018, 01:46:26 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2018, 03:59:31 PM »
Is this the dialectic
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You became having got being
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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2018, 07:01:57 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2018, 08:24:58 PM »
You misspelled "Laissez's Faire", hth

I miss it every day

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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2018, 02:41:31 AM »
Crash, found some Madden memes you might like.

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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2018, 05:47:17 PM »
shameless post stealing here but their definition of socialism is better than you'd expect given the source:

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1 Criterion a is from the Oxford English Dictionary, which defines socialism as public policy based on “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” Criterion b further focuses the discussion to rule out state ownership or regulation for other purposes, such as fighting a war. See also Samuelson and Nordhaus (1989, 833), who describe “democratic socialist governments [that] expanded the welfare state, nationalized industries, and planned the economy.”

2 For classical socialists, “communism” is a purely theoretical concept that has never yet been put into practice, which is why the second “S” in USSR stands for “Socialist.” Communism is, in their view, a social arrangement where there is neither a state nor private property; the abolition of property is not sufficient for communism. As Lenin explained, “The goal of socialism is communism.” The supposed purpose of the “Great Leap Forward” was for China to transition from socialism to communism before the USSR did (Dikӧtter 2010). The classical definition therefore stands in contrast to vernacular usage of communism to refer to historical instances of socialism where the degree of control was the highest, such as the USSR, Cuba, North Korea, or Maoist China. This report therefore avoids the term “communism.”

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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2018, 11:11:01 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2018, 11:25:52 PM »
https://twitter.com/Rhizzone_Txt/status/1026826041535356928

I've read the piece that's from (of course you have -ed.) It's an interesting artifact in that it was written by an American, though I'm not sure if I'd recommend it be consumed per se as it's quite hagiographical.

curly: I haven't dived into the report too much but it does have links to Marxists dot org in its citations which is slightly hilarious. Uncle Scam paying people to go to a neutral ground where facts and evidence, presented within the confines of civil, inclusive discourse, prevail through careful curation, smgdh.

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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2018, 04:11:46 AM »
interesting article on application of mimetic theory to social media and how it lead to thiel knowing facebook would be successful: https://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2016/08/13/mimesis-violence-and-facebook-peter-thiels-french-connection-full-essay/

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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2018, 06:02:09 AM »
Patrick Bateman: Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Josip Tito's card.



Patrick Bateman: [Thinking] Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.
Luis Carruthers: Is something wrong, Patrick? You're sweating.
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« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2018, 02:40:25 AM »
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Grover Furr is the author of
 Khrushchev Lied. The Evidence That Every “Revelation” of Stalin’s (and Beria’s) Crimes in Nikita Khrushchev’s Infamous “Secret Speech” to the 20th Party Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union on February 25, 1956, is Provably False (2011);

 The Murder of Sergei Kirov. History, Scholarship and the Anti-Stalin Paradigm (2013);

 Blood Lies: The Evidence that Every Accusation against Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union in Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands Is False (2014);

 Trotsky’s “Amalgams.” Trotsky’s Lies, The Moscow Trials As Evidence, The Dewey Commission. (Trotsky’s Conspiracies of the 1930s, Volume One) (2015);

 Yezhov vs. Stalin: The Truth About Mass Repressions and the So-Called ‘Great Terror’ in the USSR (2016),
 
 Leon Trotsky’s Collaboration with Germany and Japan. (Trotsky's Conspiracies of the 1930s, Volume Two) (2017)
are all available on Amazon.com.
this guys bibliography is so spicy :whew


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I have spent many years researching this and similar questions and I have yet to find one crime that Stalin committed.

 :delicious
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« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2018, 02:45:31 AM »
Kind of surprised you've never heard of Furr before.

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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2018, 02:49:24 AM »
Realized I have after checking out his homepage, just didn't know his name:
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/

I love professors whose websites look like this but they continue updating them well into this decade.
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« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2018, 02:54:03 AM »
The fact that he does not seem to have an extensive review for the film The Death of Stalin makes my soul feel empty.

But looking to see if he had one did lead me to this, which was fun: https://espressostalinist.com/2016/06/09/why-does-the-pseudo-left-hate-grover-furr/
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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2018, 03:00:55 AM »
https://espressostalinist.com/2018/08/13/molotov-on-mao/

wow more things that Joe and his crony moderator Great Rumbler is covering up?
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« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2018, 03:07:58 AM »
thankfully with etoliate no longer here to hand me L's I can engage in this Stalinist triumphalism :rejoice

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i'm now down the rabbit hole into Douglas Tottle's Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard Kara :doge

wait...Furr is the one who posted this PDF after Tottle disappeared with Furr claiming he died though no obituary has been found? Did Furr kill Tottle? Tottle was stupid, Furr was lucky, Furr would visit him soon?
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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2018, 05:22:53 AM »
Only heroes could read Das Kapital.
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« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2018, 03:57:14 PM »
thankfully with etoliate no longer here to hand me L's I can engage in this Stalinist triumphalism :rejoice

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i'm now down the rabbit hole into Douglas Tottle's Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard Kara :doge

wait...Furr is the one who posted this PDF after Tottle disappeared with Furr claiming he died though no obituary has been found? Did Furr kill Tottle? Tottle was stupid, Furr was lucky, Furr would visit him soon?
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« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2018, 10:45:34 PM »
READ SETTLERS

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« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2018, 05:45:54 AM »
Reading the Official Tomes of Objectivism from the Rand Cult Leaders :nope

Reading Comments from Objectivists defending Eternal Chairman Rand :ohyeah

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David Wall| April 11 @ 5:41AM|#

The biggest villains in AS--Jim Taggart and the Starns heirs--are also "billionaires". You can be sure a smear is coming when self-styled Rand critiques ignore this and go for their favorite class warfare theme to discredit Rand's work.

By the way, libertarians that seem to want to establish their more sophisticated, grown-up cred by saying they out-grew Rand are indicating a phoniness and lack of philosophic seriousness as much as the smear-mongering leftists--IMHO. Ye, hardly know her, or you wouldn't embarrass yourself with such comments.

Atlas Shrugged is the greatest philosophically complete pieces of fiction written. The more you understand what the woman accomplished with this work, the more foolish offhand ad hominems of it sound. Criticisms of AS reflect volumes more about the person making the criticism than the object of the criticism.
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Don't worry about them. Such people won't make a damn bit of difference anyway. It is an intellectual war. The trenches of this war are amongst the professional intellectuals--academics and higher level journalist and commentators. The enemy they know they can't beat is Ayn Rand if it is a fair fight, but they might beat her through an intellectually unprepared enemy like the libertarians who are closely associated with her for better or worse.

The libertarians will soon have the full attention of the leftist intellectuals if these Mid-terms elections go like they now look like they might.

Then, the folks who need to know who they are, are the libertarians themselves. They better have their intellectual armor on and not be sitting on the fence about Ayn Rand. Because their enemies will force libertarians to own Ayn Rand or deny her. If they deny her, all of us lose and libertarianism will go into the ash bin of history just like the Repubs are likely to go. If they own her, they've got a chance to take a leading role in America's comeback. Even the Millennials know the way we are going cannot go on--it either breaks good or breaks really bad from here.
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« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2018, 02:49:33 AM »
didn't know there was still a rand defence force in 2018, what's their take on sears going bust?

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« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2018, 10:23:02 PM »
is this the right thread for this? i don't care


and reading that thread led me to this amazing story from 2016
Albuquerque Police Release Video Showing Officer Shooting Undercover Cop
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"I didn't know it was you!" says Albuquerque Police Department Lt. Greg Brachle moments after putting at least eight bullets into APD Officer Jacob Grant in January 2015.

Video from Brachle's lapel shows him running up to a vehicle that Grant was sitting in with suspects and yelling "gun," then promptly firing his weapon.

"Oh s---, that was Jacob! F--- me!" Brachle is heard saying. "Are you OK?" Brachle asks Grant. "No," Grant answers.

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« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2018, 10:24:02 PM »
I read The Man Who Was Thursday too.

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« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2018, 10:48:31 PM »
I think that Tucker is actually wearing a complex face mesh like Black Widow did in the one Marvel movie. That's why every screencap of him returns the same facial expression. It's actually a function of advanced secret technology to return that image no matter what his actual expression is.

Prove me wrong.
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« Reply #59 on: December 02, 2018, 05:34:05 PM »
The Team Fortress 2 hat economist and the Bernie Bros are starting an International.

https://www.progressive-international.org/open-call/

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