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« Reply #25440 on: October 07, 2018, 09:19:22 PM »
Also PD he has in many ways solidified the Republican base. Many republicans are sold on him that didn’t vote for him in 2016. So he has that going for him. The Midwest will be the deciding factor of the election again.
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« Reply #25441 on: October 07, 2018, 09:30:06 PM »
So Brazil looked at Trump and 48% of them thought "we should get us one of those"
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« Reply #25442 on: October 07, 2018, 09:42:02 PM »
Does anyone think there will be a GOP primary challenger for Trump?
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« Reply #25443 on: October 07, 2018, 09:51:07 PM »
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"... and then he said the devil's triangle was a drinking game"

This will never not be weird
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Well, now we know what happened to Tony Soprano.

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« Reply #25444 on: October 07, 2018, 10:27:04 PM »
Does anyone think there will be a GOP primary challenger for Trump?

Kasich and other Republicans that don’t walk in step with the rest of the party probably.
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« Reply #25445 on: October 07, 2018, 10:30:28 PM »
Feinstein likely hoped to extend the hearings. But either way he was getting confirmed so...

Kavanaugh strikes me as significantly more partisan than the other options. He's another Alito.
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« Reply #25446 on: October 07, 2018, 10:32:19 PM »
Between tariffs, disappointing consumer spending, another housing bubble, and the yield curve...one of those balls is gonna fall before 2020. Not to mention others. :doge

...so is a#BlueWave going to weather that? 2 Great 2 Recessing didn't work out well for the Republicans.

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« Reply #25447 on: October 07, 2018, 10:33:51 PM »
I assume you meant "weather," not "whether." Regardless I cannot continue this conversation with you, imposter.
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« Reply #25448 on: October 07, 2018, 10:34:22 PM »
Fixed, jerk. :maf

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« Reply #25449 on: October 07, 2018, 10:44:39 PM »
We're overdue for Great Depression Recession 3: Tokyo Drift, do you think they're going to duck that before the 2020 elections or something?

Americans view the "majority" party through the lens of the presidency.

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« Reply #25450 on: October 07, 2018, 10:57:08 PM »
What is "Americans"? I wouldn't include people who vote in midterms in that description.

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« Reply #25451 on: October 07, 2018, 11:00:52 PM »
What is "Americans"?
The Americans is an American period spy thriller television series created by Joe Weisberg for the FX television network. Set in the 1980s during the Cold War, it is the story of Elizabeth (Keri Russell) and Philip Jennings (Matthew Rhys), two Soviet KGB officers posing as an American married couple living in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C., with their children Paige (Holly Taylor) and Henry (Keidrich Sellati). Their neighbor Stan Beeman (Noah Emmerich) is an FBI agent working in counterintelligence.
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Kara

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« Reply #25452 on: October 07, 2018, 11:01:16 PM »
To spare this thread a tedious digression: it's always good to win elections unless you're utterly incapable of wielding political power. You might have ducked X, but there's a Y that's going to fall on you anyway so do what you can when you can.

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« Reply #25453 on: October 07, 2018, 11:14:18 PM »
Kara, can you elaborate on the recession stuff? Cause I'm just not grokking it.

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« Reply #25454 on: October 07, 2018, 11:17:33 PM »
To spare this thread a tedious digression:

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« Reply #25455 on: October 07, 2018, 11:18:22 PM »
When that Phil Collins song started playing in the first episode during the sex scene, that's when I knew I couldn't watch that show, not because it was bad, but because it would be TOO good. What if it got cancelled? My heart has broken too many times before.

 Now that the show has ended I can finally watch it.

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« Reply #25456 on: October 07, 2018, 11:20:17 PM »
Kara, can you elaborate on the recession stuff? Cause I'm just not grokking it.

For a few months now many agencies have been reporting stuff like this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/11/the-signs-of-a-potential-market-crash-are-now-appearing.html

I assume this is what he’s referring to.
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« Reply #25457 on: October 07, 2018, 11:21:29 PM »
What is "Americans"?

a miserable pile of (((secrets)))

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« Reply #25458 on: October 07, 2018, 11:29:24 PM »
Kara, can you elaborate on the recession stuff? Cause I'm just not grokking it.

Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.

E: Doubly so if you're the Democratic Party which despite balancing the budget, implementing pay-go, and not throwing 2 forever wars and some tax cuts on the credit card is still regarded as a tax and spend party by a nontrivial slice of the minority that votes.

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« Reply #25459 on: October 07, 2018, 11:31:17 PM »
I'm registered, now tell me who to vote for  :doge
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« Reply #25460 on: October 07, 2018, 11:34:09 PM »
Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.
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« Reply #25461 on: October 07, 2018, 11:37:19 PM »
I'm registered, now tell me who to vote for  :doge

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« Reply #25462 on: October 07, 2018, 11:43:53 PM »
Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.
says the revolutionary socialist who believes in accelerationism  :ussrcry

I believe those are mutually exclusive categorizations, but that's for another thread probably.

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« Reply #25463 on: October 07, 2018, 11:44:51 PM »
Kara: I think with a split government the backlash would be against the president's party and your own example of the Great Recession is evidence for that.

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« Reply #25464 on: October 07, 2018, 11:46:38 PM »
Guess we're going to find out. :-\

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« Reply #25465 on: October 07, 2018, 11:52:55 PM »
If we have another recession republicans are out.
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« Reply #25466 on: October 07, 2018, 11:54:16 PM »
Just like in 2010
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« Reply #25467 on: October 07, 2018, 11:56:35 PM »
Just like in 2010

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« Reply #25468 on: October 07, 2018, 11:59:27 PM »
Just like in 2010

???

Obama was elected mere days after 2008 went bust.
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« Reply #25469 on: October 07, 2018, 11:59:44 PM »
No, Nintex wouldn't post something as astute about American politics as noting that the Republicans have nearly never been punished for their economic malfeasance, and even 2008's supermajority was quickly eradicated as soon as small steps toward real socialism loomed over the nation.

In fact, if 2008 was about the recession and not mostly about the Iraq War and Bush in general, why didn't the generic Dem advantage budge between 2007 and election day?
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« Reply #25470 on: October 08, 2018, 12:02:50 AM »
So you don’t think obama being elected didn’t play a part in 2008 crash? At all? Not a bit?
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« Reply #25471 on: October 08, 2018, 12:04:59 AM »
government bailout sure helped the dems!
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« Reply #25472 on: October 08, 2018, 12:05:17 AM »
Previous pages: do midterms really tend to go against the president's party? This page: do people really tend to vote against the president's party during a recession?

I know that 2016 is The Year That Changed Everything but c'mon.

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« Reply #25473 on: October 08, 2018, 12:05:38 AM »
So you don’t think obama being elected didn’t play a part in 2008 crash? At all? Not a bit?
Actually yes, I have had a theory for a while that Obama's election caused an anomaly in spacetime which put in motion several events that caused the financial crisis.
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« Reply #25474 on: October 08, 2018, 12:15:45 AM »
government bailout sure helped the dems!

Right? Obama should have put the parties responsible in prison.

Then there’s the fact that democrats don’t vote during mid-terms. Saying republicans don’t feel repercussions at the national level for their poor economic policies is...wrong. 2010 was a case of voter apathy, democratic voters being less organized yet more idealistic than Republicans.

I didn’t vote in 2010 mid-terms. I’ve voted in every election I could since.
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« Reply #25475 on: October 08, 2018, 12:33:57 AM »
In fact, if 2008 was about the recession and not mostly about the Iraq War and Bush in general, why didn't the generic Dem advantage budge between 2007 and election day?

A less ideologically sclerotic organization would have tried to pin 2007 / 2008 on the Democratic Party in some manner, which is why I'm skeptical of retreating into heuristics.

Thankfully "all regulations are bad unless they concern nonviolent drug offenders outside the pharmaceutical industry" is more of a core Republican plank than "only wealthy people who can get pregnant should have reproductive rights."

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« Reply #25476 on: October 08, 2018, 12:39:09 AM »
They did try!

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« Reply #25477 on: October 08, 2018, 12:47:58 AM »
I do remember for years after there was a conservative talking point that the financial crash was caused by affordable housing policies. Somehow people didn't treat that story the same way they would treat someone blaming a bridge collapse on the need to cross rivers.
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« Reply #25478 on: October 08, 2018, 12:51:54 AM »
The talking point about the Carter-era Community Reinvestment Act (and implicitly the irresponsible, swarthy poors who took advantage of it) causing the downturn was very popular all throughout 2008 on the right.

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« Reply #25479 on: October 08, 2018, 12:56:53 AM »
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« Reply #25481 on: October 08, 2018, 01:19:24 AM »
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/05/trump-al-franken-wet-rag-872034

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« Reply #25482 on: October 08, 2018, 01:21:15 AM »
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« Reply #25483 on: October 08, 2018, 01:32:19 AM »
The talking point about the Carter-era Community Reinvestment Act (and implicitly the irresponsible, swarthy poors who took advantage of it) causing the downturn was very popular all throughout 2008 on the right.

That's the sclerosis I was talking about. Even the most uninformed person could intuit that the banks were responsible for the last recession. Falling back into boilerplate white animus wasn't slick.

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« Reply #25484 on: October 08, 2018, 02:14:38 AM »
Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the South. Fuck the flyover states. Fuck a third of Maine. 2/3rds Nebraska. Fuck Alaska. Fuck the coal miners. Fuck the scared old people. Fuck 60% of white people. Fuck the non-voters. Fuck the electoral system that produces minority elected presidents. Fuck the NRA. Fuck the Federalist Society. Fuck the Heritage Foundation. Fuck Reagan's rotting corpse. Fuck Newt Gingrich who solidified this bull shit. Fuck Nixon for everything. Fuck Goldwater. Fuck Roger Ailes and Fox News. Fuck the rich assholes who fund all this. Fuck Evangelical Christians. Fuck pro-life Catholics. Fuck 3rd generation immigrants who vote for anti-immigration policies without a hint of irony. Fuck the Mormons. Fuck turtle man. Fuck his corrupt-ass wife. Fuck everyone who will be on the wrong side of history. Fuck the two illegitimate supreme court members now. Fuck the other 3 asshats on their too. Fuck Pence. Fuck the Kochs.

Vote with the intensity and anger one brings into war. Take every opportunity to make these assholes scared.

That's more like it. Now hopefully you'll focus on stuff that matters instead of spending all your time complaining about stuff like feminists being fat who...


r/drama is a fucking goldmine today, I'm shamelessly stealing most of the stuff from them, the entertainment value almost makes up for how dumb liberals have become. On the talentless brat Amy Schumer who made her career with rich daddy's money and connections getting arrested:

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If you read the article, yes, they "chose" to be arrested just like the other 300 people who were arrested for civil disobedience. So did Rosa Parks. So did Dr. King. You choose civil disobedience as a form of protest with the knowledge that you probably WILL be arrested.

You'd think, "sure you obnoxious piece of shit you found one stupid comment to make us look like idiots".  7.7k upvotes LUL

....oh. Well, it was fun to dream.

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« Reply #25485 on: October 08, 2018, 02:26:17 AM »

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« Reply #25486 on: October 08, 2018, 02:42:19 AM »
Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.
says the revolutionary socialist who believes in accelerationism  :ussrcry

I believe those are mutually exclusive categorizations, but that's for another thread probably.
if you have the time/patience, please do make a thread on that as i am struggling to get my head around it, especially the tech component

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« Reply #25487 on: October 08, 2018, 03:48:25 AM »
Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the South. Fuck the flyover states. Fuck a third of Maine. 2/3rds Nebraska. Fuck Alaska. Fuck the coal miners. Fuck the scared old people. Fuck 60% of white people. Fuck the non-voters. Fuck the electoral system that produces minority elected presidents. Fuck the NRA. Fuck the Federalist Society. Fuck the Heritage Foundation. Fuck Reagan's rotting corpse. Fuck Newt Gingrich who solidified this bull shit. Fuck Nixon for everything. Fuck Goldwater. Fuck Roger Ailes and Fox News. Fuck the rich assholes who fund all this. Fuck Evangelical Christians. Fuck pro-life Catholics. Fuck 3rd generation immigrants who vote for anti-immigration policies without a hint of irony. Fuck the Mormons. Fuck turtle man. Fuck his corrupt-ass wife. Fuck everyone who will be on the wrong side of history. Fuck the two illegitimate supreme court members now. Fuck the other 3 asshats on their too. Fuck Pence. Fuck the Kochs.

Vote with the intensity and anger one brings into war. Take every opportunity to make these assholes scared.
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« Reply #25488 on: October 08, 2018, 03:57:59 AM »
if you have the time/patience, please do make a thread on that as i am struggling to get my head around it, especially the tech component
there's a pretty good explanation here, starts at 0:42
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« Reply #25489 on: October 08, 2018, 07:41:45 AM »
government bailout sure helped the dems!


It would have if Obama had bailed out the middle class instead of the fucking bankers. But what can you expect from the rightwing sellout that had the nerve to compare himself with FDR at the beginning for the crisis while protecting criminal bankers by any means necessary and throwing mere scraps to the middle class?

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« Reply #25490 on: October 08, 2018, 09:49:10 AM »
I'm a bit surprised FDR would be a sacred cow for you.

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« Reply #25491 on: October 08, 2018, 10:19:31 AM »
Obama made the n00b mistake of thinking that Republicans objected to Liberal policies based on some deeply held principles and not because calling people commies was a convenient political scapegoat for the last 60 years.

As a result, he managed to pursue half-measures when they Dems had the supermajority, that didn’t really excite the base much. By the time he wised up the Republicans already had the house.

Also, Obama was just terrible for the Dem electoral machine. You can still see that today, where the Dems still suck at election campaigning.

Edit: imo the biggest problem politically this country has I The gerrymandering from 2010. So many congressmen sit in uncompetitive districts that Republicans could hold the house running 300 Todd Akins except for maybe this year.

Luckily this should improve as there’s almost no way republicans have as much control of state houses in 2021.
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« Reply #25492 on: October 08, 2018, 10:29:11 AM »
Obama was the 9/11 of presidents
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« Reply #25493 on: October 08, 2018, 10:56:23 AM »
Fun fact: The bank bailouts were before Obama was elected president.
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« Reply #25494 on: October 08, 2018, 11:12:52 AM »
Fun fact: The bank bailouts were before Obama was elected president.

Yep, Henry Paulson was leading the charge. But somehow the bailouts always get pinned on Obama lol

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« Reply #25495 on: October 08, 2018, 11:18:50 AM »
His team wound up administering the bailout so it's fair to hold him responsible for the various decisions they made once he was in office (as well as the mostly-informal policy of avoiding prosecutions for fear it would reignite the panic). Plus there was some coordination among the Bush administration and the Obama and McCain campaigns before the election.

That said, hearing "should've let the banks fail" gives me a headache.

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« Reply #25496 on: October 08, 2018, 11:22:37 AM »
They shouldn’t fail but they shouldn’t be rewarded without a check either. Iceland jailed many of the bankers involved with their financial crisis.
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« Reply #25497 on: October 08, 2018, 11:25:49 AM »
IIRC Iceland also just didn't pay back a bunch of depositors, which was politically feasible cause so many of them were from foreigners.

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« Reply #25499 on: October 08, 2018, 11:36:02 AM »
Obama was too busy shoveling money at the rich to notice everything collapsing around him
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