Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP (Read 6843144 times)

james · « **Reply #24480 on:** October 07, 2018, 09:30:06 PM »

So Brazil looked at Trump and 48% of them thought "we should get us one of those"

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #24481 on:** October 07, 2018, 09:42:02 PM »

Does anyone think there will be a GOP primary challenger for Trump?

chronovore · « **Reply #24482 on:** October 07, 2018, 09:51:07 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on October 07, 2018, 10:56:20 AM

(Image removed from quote.)

"... and then he said the devil's triangle was a drinking game"

This will never not be weird

Well, now we know what happened to Tony Soprano.

Himu · « **Reply #24483 on:** October 07, 2018, 10:27:04 PM »

Quote from: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2018, 09:42:02 PM

Does anyone think there will be a GOP primary challenger for Trump?

Kasich and other Republicans that don’t walk in step with the rest of the party probably.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #24484 on:** October 07, 2018, 10:30:28 PM »

Feinstein likely hoped to extend the hearings. But either way he was getting confirmed so...

Kavanaugh strikes me as significantly more partisan than the other options. He's another Alito.

Kara · « **Reply #24485 on:** October 07, 2018, 10:32:19 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2018, 09:02:09 PM

Between tariffs, disappointing consumer spending, another housing bubble, and the yield curve...one of those balls is gonna fall before 2020. Not to mention others.

...so is a#BlueWave going to weather that? 2 Great 2 Recessing didn't work out well for the Republicans.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #24486 on:** October 07, 2018, 10:33:51 PM »

I assume you meant "weather," not "whether." Regardless I cannot continue this conversation with you, imposter.

Kara · « **Reply #24487 on:** October 07, 2018, 10:34:22 PM »

Fixed, jerk.

Mandark · « **Reply #24488 on:** October 07, 2018, 10:44:39 PM »

Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 08:48:37 PM

We're overdue for Great ~~Depression~~ Recession 3: Tokyo Drift, do you think they're going to duck that before the 2020 elections or something?

Americans view the "majority" party through the lens of the presidency.

Kara · « **Reply #24489 on:** October 07, 2018, 10:57:08 PM »

What is "Americans"? I wouldn't include people who vote in midterms in that description.

Kara · « **Reply #24490 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:01:16 PM »

To spare this thread a tedious digression: it's always good to win elections unless you're utterly incapable of wielding political power. You might have ducked X, but there's a Y that's going to fall on you anyway so do what you can when you can.

Mandark · « **Reply #24491 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:14:18 PM »

Kara, can you elaborate on the recession stuff? Cause I'm just not grokking it.

zomgee · « **Reply #24492 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:17:33 PM »

Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 11:01:16 PM

To spare this thread a tedious digression:

Transhuman · « **Reply #24493 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:18:22 PM »

When that Phil Collins song started playing in the first episode during the sex scene, that's when I knew I couldn't watch that show, not because it was bad, but because it would be TOO good. What if it got cancelled? My heart has broken too many times before.

Now that the show has ended I can finally watch it.

Himu · « **Reply #24494 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:20:17 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on October 07, 2018, 11:14:18 PM

Kara, can you elaborate on the recession stuff? Cause I'm just not grokking it.

For a few months now many agencies have been reporting stuff like this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/11/the-signs-of-a-potential-market-crash-are-now-appearing.html

I assume this is what he’s referring to.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #24495 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:21:29 PM »

Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 10:57:08 PM

What is "Americans"?

a miserable pile of (((secrets)))

Kara · « **Reply #24496 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:29:24 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on October 07, 2018, 11:14:18 PM

Kara, can you elaborate on the recession stuff? Cause I'm just not grokking it.

Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.

E: Doubly so if you're the Democratic Party which despite balancing the budget, implementing pay-go, and not throwing 2 forever wars and some tax cuts on the credit card is still regarded as a tax and spend party by a nontrivial slice of the minority that votes.

team filler · « **Reply #24497 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:31:17 PM »

I'm registered, now tell me who to vote for

agrajag · « **Reply #24498 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:37:19 PM »

Quote from: filler on October 07, 2018, 11:31:17 PM

I'm registered, now tell me who to vote for

vote for pedro

Kara · « **Reply #24499 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:43:53 PM »

Quote from: Shostakovich on October 07, 2018, 11:34:09 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 11:29:24 PM
Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.
says the revolutionary socialist who believes in accelerationism

I believe those are mutually exclusive categorizations, but that's for another thread probably.

Mandark · « **Reply #24500 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:44:51 PM »

Kara: I think with a split government the backlash would be against the president's party and your own example of the Great Recession is evidence for that.

Kara · « **Reply #24501 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:46:38 PM »

Guess we're going to find out. $:-\$

Himu · « **Reply #24502 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:52:55 PM »

If we have another recession republicans are out.

Mandark · « **Reply #24503 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:56:35 PM »

Quote from: Shostakovich on October 07, 2018, 11:54:16 PM

Just like in 2010

forgot to switch to your nintex alt

Himu · « **Reply #24504 on:** October 07, 2018, 11:59:27 PM »

Quote from: Shostakovich on October 07, 2018, 11:54:16 PM

Just like in 2010

Obama was elected mere days after 2008 went bust.

Himu · « **Reply #24505 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:02:50 AM »

So you don’t think obama being elected didn’t play a part in 2008 crash? At all? Not a bit?

team filler · « **Reply #24506 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:04:59 AM »

government bailout sure helped the dems!

Mandark · « **Reply #24507 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:05:17 AM »

Previous pages: do midterms really tend to go against the president's party? This page: do people really tend to vote against the president's party during a recession?

I know that 2016 is The Year That Changed Everything but c'mon.

Himu · « **Reply #24508 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:15:45 AM »

Quote from: filler on October 08, 2018, 12:04:59 AM

government bailout sure helped the dems!

Right? Obama should have put the parties responsible in prison.

Then there’s the fact that democrats don’t vote during mid-terms. Saying republicans don’t feel repercussions at the national level for their poor economic policies is...wrong. 2010 was a case of voter apathy, democratic voters being less organized yet more idealistic than Republicans.

I didn’t vote in 2010 mid-terms. I’ve voted in every election I could since.

Kara · « **Reply #24509 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:33:57 AM »

Quote from: Shostakovich on October 07, 2018, 11:59:44 PM

In fact, if 2008 was about the recession and not mostly about the Iraq War and Bush in general, why didn't the generic Dem advantage budge between 2007 and election day?

A less ideologically sclerotic organization would have tried to pin 2007 / 2008 on the Democratic Party in some manner, which is why I'm skeptical of retreating into heuristics.

Thankfully "all regulations are bad unless they concern nonviolent drug offenders outside the pharmaceutical industry" is more of a core Republican plank than "only wealthy people who can get pregnant should have reproductive rights."

Mandark · « **Reply #24510 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:39:09 AM »

They did try!

Mandark · « **Reply #24511 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:51:54 AM »

The talking point about the Carter-era Community Reinvestment Act (and implicitly the irresponsible, swarthy poors who took advantage of it) causing the downturn was very popular all throughout 2008 on the right.

team filler · « **Reply #24512 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:56:53 AM »

team filler · « **Reply #24513 on:** October 08, 2018, 01:01:45 AM »

team filler · « **Reply #24514 on:** October 08, 2018, 01:19:24 AM »

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/05/trump-al-franken-wet-rag-872034

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"Boy, did he fold up like a wet rag. Man, man, he was gone so fast," Trump said at a rally Thursday night in Franken's home state of Minnesota. "It was like, 'oh, he did something,' 'oh I resign. I quit.'"

team filler · « **Reply #24515 on:** October 08, 2018, 01:21:15 AM »

Kara · « **Reply #24516 on:** October 08, 2018, 01:32:19 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on October 08, 2018, 12:51:54 AM

The talking point about the Carter-era Community Reinvestment Act (and implicitly the irresponsible, swarthy poors who took advantage of it) causing the downturn was very popular all throughout 2008 on the right.

That's the sclerosis I was talking about. Even the most uninformed person could intuit that the banks were responsible for the last recession. Falling back into boilerplate white animus wasn't slick.

Oblivion · « **Reply #24517 on:** October 08, 2018, 02:14:38 AM »

Quote from: Optimus on October 07, 2018, 11:42:54 AM

Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the South. Fuck the flyover states. Fuck a third of Maine. 2/3rds Nebraska. Fuck Alaska. Fuck the coal miners. Fuck the scared old people. Fuck 60% of white people. Fuck the non-voters. Fuck the electoral system that produces minority elected presidents. Fuck the NRA. Fuck the Federalist Society. Fuck the Heritage Foundation. Fuck Reagan's rotting corpse. Fuck Newt Gingrich who solidified this bull shit. Fuck Nixon for everything. Fuck Goldwater. Fuck Roger Ailes and Fox News. Fuck the rich assholes who fund all this. Fuck Evangelical Christians. Fuck pro-life Catholics. Fuck 3rd generation immigrants who vote for anti-immigration policies without a hint of irony. Fuck the Mormons. Fuck turtle man. Fuck his corrupt-ass wife. Fuck everyone who will be on the wrong side of history. Fuck the two illegitimate supreme court members now. Fuck the other 3 asshats on their too. Fuck Pence. Fuck the Kochs.

Vote with the intensity and anger one brings into war. Take every opportunity to make these assholes scared.

That's more like it. Now hopefully you'll focus on stuff that matters instead of spending all your time complaining about stuff like feminists being fat who...

Quote from: Optimus on October 07, 2018, 04:08:00 PM

r/drama is a fucking goldmine today, I'm shamelessly stealing most of the stuff from them, the entertainment value almost makes up for how dumb liberals have become. On the talentless brat Amy Schumer who made her career with rich daddy's money and connections getting arrested:

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If you read the article, yes, they "chose" to be arrested just like the other 300 people who were arrested for civil disobedience. So did Rosa Parks. So did Dr. King. You choose civil disobedience as a form of protest with the knowledge that you probably WILL be arrested.

You'd think, "sure you obnoxious piece of shit you found one stupid comment to make us look like idiots". 7.7k upvotes LUL

....oh. Well, it was fun to dream.

benjipwns · « **Reply #24518 on:** October 08, 2018, 02:26:17 AM »

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #24519 on:** October 08, 2018, 02:42:19 AM »

Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 11:43:53 PM

Quote from: Shostakovich on October 07, 2018, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 11:29:24 PM
Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.
says the revolutionary socialist who believes in accelerationism

I believe those are mutually exclusive categorizations, but that's for another thread probably.

if you have the time/patience, please do make a thread on that as i am struggling to get my head around it, especially the tech component

Trent Dole · « **Reply #24520 on:** October 08, 2018, 03:48:25 AM »

Quote from: Optimus on October 07, 2018, 11:42:54 AM

Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the South. Fuck the flyover states. Fuck a third of Maine. 2/3rds Nebraska. Fuck Alaska. Fuck the coal miners. Fuck the scared old people. Fuck 60% of white people. Fuck the non-voters. Fuck the electoral system that produces minority elected presidents. Fuck the NRA. Fuck the Federalist Society. Fuck the Heritage Foundation. Fuck Reagan's rotting corpse. Fuck Newt Gingrich who solidified this bull shit. Fuck Nixon for everything. Fuck Goldwater. Fuck Roger Ailes and Fox News. Fuck the rich assholes who fund all this. Fuck Evangelical Christians. Fuck pro-life Catholics. Fuck 3rd generation immigrants who vote for anti-immigration policies without a hint of irony. Fuck the Mormons. Fuck turtle man. Fuck his corrupt-ass wife. Fuck everyone who will be on the wrong side of history. Fuck the two illegitimate supreme court members now. Fuck the other 3 asshats on their too. Fuck Pence. Fuck the Kochs.

Vote with the intensity and anger one brings into war. Take every opportunity to make these assholes scared.

https://youtu.be/GpdO6syZBiM?t=399
wow no time skip implementation. bore pls.

Optimus · « **Reply #24521 on:** October 08, 2018, 07:41:45 AM »

Quote from: filler on October 08, 2018, 12:04:59 AM

government bailout sure helped the dems!

It would have if Obama had bailed out the middle class instead of the fucking bankers. But what can you expect from the rightwing sellout that had the nerve to compare himself with FDR at the beginning for the crisis while protecting criminal bankers by any means necessary and throwing mere scraps to the middle class?

Mandark · « **Reply #24522 on:** October 08, 2018, 09:49:10 AM »

I'm a bit surprised FDR would be a sacred cow for you.

kingv · « **Reply #24523 on:** October 08, 2018, 10:19:31 AM »

Obama made the n00b mistake of thinking that Republicans objected to Liberal policies based on some deeply held principles and not because calling people commies was a convenient political scapegoat for the last 60 years.

As a result, he managed to pursue half-measures when they Dems had the supermajority, that didn’t really excite the base much. By the time he wised up the Republicans already had the house.

Also, Obama was just terrible for the Dem electoral machine. You can still see that today, where the Dems still suck at election campaigning.

Edit: imo the biggest problem politically this country has I The gerrymandering from 2010. So many congressmen sit in uncompetitive districts that Republicans could hold the house running 300 Todd Akins except for maybe this year.

Luckily this should improve as there’s almost no way republicans have as much control of state houses in 2021.

james · « **Reply #24524 on:** October 08, 2018, 10:29:11 AM »

Obama was the 9/11 of presidents

Brehvolution · « **Reply #24525 on:** October 08, 2018, 10:56:23 AM »

Fun fact: The bank bailouts were before Obama was elected president.

agrajag · « **Reply #24526 on:** October 08, 2018, 11:12:52 AM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 08, 2018, 10:56:23 AM

Fun fact: The bank bailouts were before Obama was elected president.

Yep, Henry Paulson was leading the charge. But somehow the bailouts always get pinned on Obama lol

Mandark · « **Reply #24527 on:** October 08, 2018, 11:18:50 AM »

His team wound up administering the bailout so it's fair to hold him responsible for the various decisions they made once he was in office (as well as the mostly-informal policy of avoiding prosecutions for fear it would reignite the panic). Plus there was some coordination among the Bush administration and the Obama and McCain campaigns before the election.

That said, hearing "should've let the banks fail" gives me a headache.

Himu · « **Reply #24528 on:** October 08, 2018, 11:22:37 AM »

They shouldn’t fail but they shouldn’t be rewarded without a check either. Iceland jailed many of the bankers involved with their financial crisis.

Mandark · « **Reply #24529 on:** October 08, 2018, 11:25:49 AM »

IIRC Iceland also just didn't pay back a bunch of depositors, which was politically feasible cause so many of them were from foreigners.

Kara · « **Reply #24530 on:** October 08, 2018, 11:34:03 AM »

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/financial-recovery-of-iceland-a-case-worth-studying-a-942387.html

james · « **Reply #24531 on:** October 08, 2018, 11:36:02 AM »

Obama was too busy shoveling money at the rich to notice everything collapsing around him

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #24532 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:15:40 PM »

Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 11:43:53 PM

Quote from: Shostakovich on October 07, 2018, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 11:29:24 PM
Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.
says the revolutionary socialist who believes in accelerationism

I believe those are mutually exclusive categorizations, but that's for another thread probably.

I have kind of fallen into hanging with the leftish side of the ACC crowd on Twitter, and enjoying their memetic milieu, but I don't actually believe in accelerationism (L/ or otherwise). I guess this makes me a cultural accelerationist?

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #24533 on:** October 08, 2018, 12:42:45 PM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on October 08, 2018, 12:15:40 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 07, 2018, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: Kara on October 07, 2018, 11:29:24 PM
Rationalizing a political pasting on the grounds that it's energized the base / set the stage for something better is not advised in general, but especially not so when there's a looming recession that's going to be bad for everyone without obscene wealth.
says the revolutionary socialist who believes in accelerationism

I believe those are mutually exclusive categorizations, but that's for another thread probably.

I have kind of fallen into hanging with the leftish side of the ACC crowd on Twitter, and enjoying their memetic milieu, but I don't actually believe in accelerationism (L/ or otherwise). I guess this makes me a cultural accelerationist?

can you share some good accounts on twitter? the ones i've seen seem a bit nutty and too right-leaning, in the service of who knows what