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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #120 on: February 01, 2019, 04:22:06 AM »
cordeliers might be better actually, REDKAHINA is a bit too word saladly and prone to 30 part tweetstorms


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« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2019, 04:33:09 AM »
https://twitter.com/cordeliers/status/1090314226743369728

i am getting way too into this, it's like when i discovered JASON UHRUE

"comprehensively appalling" :lawd

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« Reply #124 on: February 01, 2019, 04:34:37 AM »
I told you!

RedKahina is the new hotness now, my good friend and ideological enemy benji.

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« Reply #125 on: February 01, 2019, 04:46:41 AM »
One day I will introduce you to the New Labourites I associate with, benji. New Labourites who are still New Labourites in 2019 are similar to unrepentant state socialists except their historical legacy is helping the U.S. kill a million people in Iraq, privatizing a bunch of public assets, and ensuring that the City of London occupies a similar space of bipartisan support in the U.K. that the defense industry occupies in the U.S.

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« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2019, 05:01:23 AM »
i came across this the other day

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« Reply #127 on: February 01, 2019, 03:27:57 PM »
benji are you familiar with phil greaves

https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/status/772079807349792768


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« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2019, 04:55:46 PM »
the top app on the huawei app store is a foreign luxury goods shopping app called  小红书 :lol
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« Reply #130 on: February 01, 2019, 05:36:14 PM »

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« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2019, 05:37:50 PM »
The PRC is wild, man. They have right wing Maoists, but not because socialism has achieved victory and the struggle is between better and ultra-leftism.

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« Reply #132 on: February 01, 2019, 06:51:22 PM »
The only conflict there can be in China is between hood and #blessed :doge
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« Reply #133 on: February 01, 2019, 09:11:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/cordeliers/status/1090314226743369728

i am getting way too into this, it's like when i discovered JASON UHRUE

"comprehensively appalling" :lawd

My favorite tweeter associated with those folks is definitely @cuttlefish_btc https://twitter.com/cuttlefish_btc , some of the stuff he digs up is legitimately fascinating and insightful even if the top-level conspiratorial worldview he feeds it all into is, uh ... not in accordance with my bourgeois subjective utility function

edit: I guess he stopped tweeting over a year ago? bleh
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« Reply #134 on: February 01, 2019, 10:48:02 PM »
so you're saying they got to him

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« Reply #135 on: February 11, 2019, 10:00:38 PM »


Michael Parenti vindicated

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« Reply #136 on: February 16, 2019, 04:28:28 AM »
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/tim-eyman-under-investigation-in-theft-of-70-chair-from-office-depot/
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Anti-tax activist Tim Eyman is under investigation in the theft of a $70 office chair from the entryway of a Lacey Office Depot on Wednesday.

Lacey Police referred the allegation to prosecutors for a possible misdemeanor theft charge after Office Depot employees noticed the chair was missing, reviewed surveillance video, recognized Eyman and called the police.

In the video, Eyman, wearing a bright red shirt saying “Let The Voters Decide,” can be seen circling around the store’s lobby, peering in various directions. He walks through the store’s anti-theft devices into the vestibule and sits in a rolling office chair that was displayed there. He reclines, spins around three times and then stands up and wheels the chair out of the store.

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« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2019, 01:15:58 AM »
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That which is founded on falsehood cannot be right. Institutions founded on false principles cannot be other than false themselves.  This truth has been demonstrated by the bitter experience of ages and generations.

Among the falsest of political principles is the principle of the sovereignty of the people, the principle that all power issues from the people, and is based upon the national will–a principle which has unhappily become more firmly established since the time of the French Revolution.  Thence proceeds the theory of Parliamentarism, which, up to the present day, has deluded much of the so-called “intelligence,” and unhappily infatuated certain foolish Russians.  It continues to maintain its hold on many minds with the obstinacy of a narrow fanaticism, although every day its falsehood is exposed more clearly to the world.
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By the theory of Parliamentarism, the rational majority must rule; in practice, the party is ruled by five or six of its leaders who exercise all power.  In theory, decisions are controlled by clear arguments in the course of Parliamentary debates; in practice, they in no wise depend from debates, but are determined by the wills of the leaders and the promptings of personal interest.  In theory, the representatives of the people consider only the public welfare; in practice, their first consideration is their own advancement, and the interests of their friends.  In theory, they must be the best citizens; in practice, they are the most ambitious and impudent.  In theory, the elector gives his vote for his candidate because he knows him and trusts him; in practice, the elector gives his vote for a man whom he seldom knows, but who has been forced on him by the speeches of an interested party.  In theory, Parliamentary business is directed by experience, good sense, and unselfishness; in practice, the chief motive powers are a firm will, egoism, and eloquence.

Such is the Parliamentary institution, exalted as the summit and crown of the edifice of State.  It is sad to think that even in Russia there are men who aspire to the establishment of this falsehood among us; that our professors glorify to their young pupils representative government as the ideal of political science; that our newspapers pursue it in their articles and feuilletons, under the name of justice and order, without troubling to examine without prejudice the working of the parliamentary machine.  Yet even where centuries have sanctified its existence, faith already decays; the Liberal intelligence exalts it, but the people groans under its despotism, and recognizes its falsehood.  We may not see, but our children and grandchildren assuredly will see, the overthrow of this idol, which contemporary thought in its vanity continues still to worship.
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« Reply #143 on: March 02, 2019, 12:56:32 PM »
There was some cursed posting in the U.S. politics thread last week (only last week? -ed.) that inspired this meme, I call it "Why don't you put away 'democratic' socialism and try something that works. Google "Milton 'Google my name and Rhodesia' Friedman'"."

Sadly it seems Dmitri Dmitriyevich is on sabbatical.  :'(



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You could do a similar meme for the U.S. and Japan to make fun of Chartalists, but Paul Krugman is going beast mode on them right now and it doesn't seem right to kick someone when they're down.

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1101829204172328960
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« Reply #144 on: March 02, 2019, 08:26:43 PM »
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1101899322176659458

I had to see this awful shit so now you guys do too

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« Reply #146 on: March 02, 2019, 08:41:49 PM »
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« Reply #148 on: March 02, 2019, 08:48:43 PM »
#notallhentaifans

"Is Bible Black Neoliberal Globalism" - the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 12,239 pages of heated debate,

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« Reply #149 on: March 02, 2019, 11:55:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1101903691638923264

that vision of utopia, Cowboy Bebop

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« Reply #150 on: March 05, 2019, 10:25:13 PM »

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« Reply #151 on: March 07, 2019, 01:37:00 PM »


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Previous studies, he said, suggested left-leaning populists in Latin America ramped up social spending but ultimately ended up creating “fractured and unequal states”. “That’s what I thought I would see, as someone who is trained as a political economist,” Doyle said.

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« Reply #154 on: March 25, 2019, 11:24:48 PM »
God led me to this thread.

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« Reply #156 on: March 25, 2019, 11:27:07 PM »
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« Reply #158 on: April 30, 2019, 01:40:54 AM »

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« Reply #159 on: April 30, 2019, 10:27:57 AM »


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« Reply #160 on: April 30, 2019, 10:28:57 AM »
That’s a primitivist if ever saw one.


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“We find that the sanctions [on Venezuela] have inflicted, and increasingly inflict, very serious harm to human life and health, including an estimated more than 40,000 deaths from 2017-2018; and that these sanctions would fit the definition of collective punishment of the civilian population as described in both the Geneva and Hague international conventions, to which the U.S. is a signatory,” the report, published by the Centre for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), says.

“They are also illegal under international law and treaties which the U.S. has signed, and would appear to violate U.S. law as well,” it says. Sachs co-authored the report with CEPR's Mark Weisbrot.

Excuse me, sir! Maybe you are not aware, but the United States is exempted from most international laws.

(x-post from the International Politics thread)

We're still maybe a decade or two out from this being true, but if Chavismo can withstand this much AmeriKKKan aggression and persist it will probably become as (comparatively) unimpeachable as Castroism on the left.

Guess relatively milquetoast social democracy built on extractive industries can actually withstand the inevitable bourgeois counterrevolution provided it has political power outside the ballot box. Well that and nothing but gusanos and compradores standing in opposition.

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Well that and nothing but gusanos and compradores standing in opposition.

Maduro going 45-37 and winning his division.

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We're still maybe a decade or two out from this being true, but if Chavismo can withstand this much AmeriKKKan aggression and persist it will probably become as (comparatively) unimpeachable as Castroism on the left.

Guess relatively milquetoast social democracy built on extractive industries can actually withstand the inevitable bourgeois counterrevolution provided it has political power outside the ballot box. Well that and nothing but gusanos and compradores standing in opposition.
If you think the Trump administration, or even a succeeding Democratic administration, will stop at a devastating economic siege just because it has no chance of succeeding in effecting a US friendly political and economic agenda, I have some Iraqi dinars you might be interested in.

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I agree! The duration of time was more about "the proof of the pudding lies in its eating" than a changing of the guard in the bedrock of empire.

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I got into him because of curly. thanks, curly  :-*
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that meme is the majority of my knowledge of Parenti :lol

well that and skimming this and thinking it was dumb

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That meme is my commune except I probably speak more Russian than Parenti + am not the slightest bit proletarian. :lol

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the essay form of the book I mentioned is a good start. you used to be able to find it on his website but his website seems to be totally broken now because "heterodox" academics can't stay relevant into the twenty first century without meme energy :wow

I read that shit and as soon as I got to the genocide denial I felt pretty disgusted. Then I let the initial reaction wash over me and kept going. It's like Slobodan Did Nothing Wrong but serious, and he still teaches at Berkeley.
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People say it's staid and boring on the Western left, but you'll never know what kind of genocide denier someone is until they just volunteer it out of nowhere.

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Isn't this just a regional variation of exactly the same philosophy, minus the indigenous focus or secularism, respectively? Granted I'm not familiar with EZLN but I would like to think I have a good handle on Emiliano Zapata et al.
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Isn't this just a regional variation of exactly the same philosophy, minus the indigenous focus or secularism, respectively? Granted I'm not familiar with EZLN but I would like to think I have a good handle on Emiliano Zapata et al.

How many CIA bases are in Chiapas? :doge

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to be completely fair the srebrenica take consists of two components, the first is that war crimes absolutely were committed but that albanians were also responsible for significant crimes that went totally unreported, and the second is that it wasn't "technically a genocide" because only men were shot. Not really "genocide denial", besides literally denying it was a genocide, more like stanning really hard for people nobody likes. Like a defense attorney. Or me during my wank dad phase.

I will never defend any of this in public, though, that will get me beaten to death or blacklisted
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Some of that is an academic factor in ways that you otherwise will simply not be noticed.

To use a more... popular example. Most "academic" Holocaust denial is historically of the technical type. David Irving's entire case ultimately rests on the technically true fact that there is nowhere a surviving record where Hitler specifically wrote out an order for anything that led to an actual event. To Irving this means Hitler wanted to stop it and everyone was keeping him in the dark. To everyone else it means Hitler didn't have to specifically write down what he wanted because it was pretty fucking obvious and he expressed his opinions on everything else going on in the universe to anyone who would stand being with him for long periods.

The other large part of Irving's cohort is saying, "well, sure, the Holocaust, but what about the allied bombings?" Which is part of how he originally got accepted in academia, by being willing to talk about allied atrocities during the war. (It was still taboo in the West to acknowledge these into the later 1970s, and usually limited to the use of the atomic bombs since they were exclusively an American action.) He just took a bit of a while to get to why he wanted to talk about it in that it justifies Nazi crimes retroactively somehow.

The rest of the Irving cohort is hopping onto anyone, no matter how dubious their claims as to background are, making "scientific proofs" that make no sense like how there can't be anyone who was killed at Auschwitz because the doors on the gas chambers have no handles on the inside which means nobody could get out which makes no sense! Doors are made so people can go both ways!

Many academic Turkish-friendly takes on the Armenian Genocide use forms of either of these too. The former Yugoslavia/Soviet Union still has many people who were intimately involved hanging out (or even in power) so it's somewhat verboten to outright state that everyone during the break up tried to get away with something even if some were worse to far worse. For example, one sticking point with people I know from the area (both Bosnian and Serb) is how quickly the Croats got themselves out. They just assume they did something extra nefarious that the U.S. helped cover up. (Though to be fair, they also think know that 9/11 was a US/Mossad plot.)
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