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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #120 on: February 01, 2019, 05:36:14 PM »

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« Reply #121 on: February 01, 2019, 05:37:50 PM »
The PRC is wild, man. They have right wing Maoists, but not because socialism has achieved victory and the struggle is between better and ultra-leftism.

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« Reply #122 on: February 01, 2019, 09:11:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/cordeliers/status/1090314226743369728

i am getting way too into this, it's like when i discovered JASON UHRUE

"comprehensively appalling" :lawd

My favorite tweeter associated with those folks is definitely @cuttlefish_btc https://twitter.com/cuttlefish_btc , some of the stuff he digs up is legitimately fascinating and insightful even if the top-level conspiratorial worldview he feeds it all into is, uh ... not in accordance with my bourgeois subjective utility function

edit: I guess he stopped tweeting over a year ago? bleh
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« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2019, 10:48:02 PM »
so you're saying they got to him

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« Reply #124 on: February 11, 2019, 10:00:38 PM »


Michael Parenti vindicated

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« Reply #125 on: February 16, 2019, 04:28:28 AM »
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/tim-eyman-under-investigation-in-theft-of-70-chair-from-office-depot/
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Anti-tax activist Tim Eyman is under investigation in the theft of a $70 office chair from the entryway of a Lacey Office Depot on Wednesday.

Lacey Police referred the allegation to prosecutors for a possible misdemeanor theft charge after Office Depot employees noticed the chair was missing, reviewed surveillance video, recognized Eyman and called the police.

In the video, Eyman, wearing a bright red shirt saying “Let The Voters Decide,” can be seen circling around the store’s lobby, peering in various directions. He walks through the store’s anti-theft devices into the vestibule and sits in a rolling office chair that was displayed there. He reclines, spins around three times and then stands up and wheels the chair out of the store.

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #128 on: February 18, 2019, 06:17:05 AM »
https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1096221209010683904

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« Reply #129 on: February 18, 2019, 06:30:52 AM »
https://twitter.com/SecularStrategy/status/1096449207068778497

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« Reply #130 on: February 22, 2019, 01:15:58 AM »
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That which is founded on falsehood cannot be right. Institutions founded on false principles cannot be other than false themselves.  This truth has been demonstrated by the bitter experience of ages and generations.

Among the falsest of political principles is the principle of the sovereignty of the people, the principle that all power issues from the people, and is based upon the national will–a principle which has unhappily become more firmly established since the time of the French Revolution.  Thence proceeds the theory of Parliamentarism, which, up to the present day, has deluded much of the so-called “intelligence,” and unhappily infatuated certain foolish Russians.  It continues to maintain its hold on many minds with the obstinacy of a narrow fanaticism, although every day its falsehood is exposed more clearly to the world.
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By the theory of Parliamentarism, the rational majority must rule; in practice, the party is ruled by five or six of its leaders who exercise all power.  In theory, decisions are controlled by clear arguments in the course of Parliamentary debates; in practice, they in no wise depend from debates, but are determined by the wills of the leaders and the promptings of personal interest.  In theory, the representatives of the people consider only the public welfare; in practice, their first consideration is their own advancement, and the interests of their friends.  In theory, they must be the best citizens; in practice, they are the most ambitious and impudent.  In theory, the elector gives his vote for his candidate because he knows him and trusts him; in practice, the elector gives his vote for a man whom he seldom knows, but who has been forced on him by the speeches of an interested party.  In theory, Parliamentary business is directed by experience, good sense, and unselfishness; in practice, the chief motive powers are a firm will, egoism, and eloquence.

Such is the Parliamentary institution, exalted as the summit and crown of the edifice of State.  It is sad to think that even in Russia there are men who aspire to the establishment of this falsehood among us; that our professors glorify to their young pupils representative government as the ideal of political science; that our newspapers pursue it in their articles and feuilletons, under the name of justice and order, without troubling to examine without prejudice the working of the parliamentary machine.  Yet even where centuries have sanctified its existence, faith already decays; the Liberal intelligence exalts it, but the people groans under its despotism, and recognizes its falsehood.  We may not see, but our children and grandchildren assuredly will see, the overthrow of this idol, which contemporary thought in its vanity continues still to worship.
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« Reply #131 on: March 02, 2019, 12:56:32 PM »
There was some cursed posting in the U.S. politics thread last week (only last week? -ed.) that inspired this meme, I call it "Why don't you put away 'democratic' socialism and try something that works. Google "Milton 'Google my name and Rhodesia' Friedman'"."

Sadly it seems Dmitri Dmitriyevich is on sabbatical.  :'(



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You could do a similar meme for the U.S. and Japan to make fun of Chartalists, but Paul Krugman is going beast mode on them right now and it doesn't seem right to kick someone when they're down.

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1101829204172328960
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« Reply #132 on: March 02, 2019, 08:26:43 PM »
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1101899322176659458

I had to see this awful shit so now you guys do too

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« Reply #133 on: March 02, 2019, 08:36:46 PM »

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« Reply #134 on: March 02, 2019, 08:41:49 PM »
#notallhentaifans

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« Reply #135 on: March 02, 2019, 08:42:48 PM »
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1101899322176659458

I had to see this awful shit so now you guys do too

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« Reply #136 on: March 02, 2019, 08:48:43 PM »
#notallhentaifans

"Is Bible Black Neoliberal Globalism" - the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 12,239 pages of heated debate,

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« Reply #137 on: March 02, 2019, 11:55:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1101903691638923264

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« Reply #138 on: March 05, 2019, 10:25:13 PM »

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« Reply #139 on: March 07, 2019, 01:37:00 PM »


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Previous studies, he said, suggested left-leaning populists in Latin America ramped up social spending but ultimately ended up creating “fractured and unequal states”. “That’s what I thought I would see, as someone who is trained as a political economist,” Doyle said.

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« Reply #141 on: March 25, 2019, 11:24:48 PM »
God led me to this thread.

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« Reply #143 on: March 25, 2019, 11:27:07 PM »
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« Reply #144 on: March 25, 2019, 11:28:50 PM »

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« Reply #145 on: April 30, 2019, 01:40:54 AM »

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« Reply #146 on: April 30, 2019, 10:27:57 AM »


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« Reply #147 on: April 30, 2019, 10:28:57 AM »
That’s a primitivist if ever saw one.

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Mr. Facts and Logic annihilated.
 

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“We find that the sanctions [on Venezuela] have inflicted, and increasingly inflict, very serious harm to human life and health, including an estimated more than 40,000 deaths from 2017-2018; and that these sanctions would fit the definition of collective punishment of the civilian population as described in both the Geneva and Hague international conventions, to which the U.S. is a signatory,” the report, published by the Centre for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), says.

“They are also illegal under international law and treaties which the U.S. has signed, and would appear to violate U.S. law as well,” it says. Sachs co-authored the report with CEPR's Mark Weisbrot.

Excuse me, sir! Maybe you are not aware, but the United States is exempted from most international laws.

(x-post from the International Politics thread)

We're still maybe a decade or two out from this being true, but if Chavismo can withstand this much AmeriKKKan aggression and persist it will probably become as (comparatively) unimpeachable as Castroism on the left.

Guess relatively milquetoast social democracy built on extractive industries can actually withstand the inevitable bourgeois counterrevolution provided it has political power outside the ballot box. Well that and nothing but gusanos and compradores standing in opposition.

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« Reply #153 on: May 08, 2019, 12:44:39 AM »
Well that and nothing but gusanos and compradores standing in opposition.

Maduro going 45-37 and winning his division.

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I agree! The duration of time was more about "the proof of the pudding lies in its eating" than a changing of the guard in the bedrock of empire.

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that meme is the majority of my knowledge of Parenti :lol

well that and skimming this and thinking it was dumb

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That meme is my commune except I probably speak more Russian than Parenti + am not the slightest bit proletarian. :lol

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People say it's staid and boring on the Western left, but you'll never know what kind of genocide denier someone is until they just volunteer it out of nowhere.

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Isn't this just a regional variation of exactly the same philosophy, minus the indigenous focus or secularism, respectively? Granted I'm not familiar with EZLN but I would like to think I have a good handle on Emiliano Zapata et al.

How many CIA bases are in Chiapas? :doge

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Some of that is an academic factor in ways that you otherwise will simply not be noticed.

To use a more... popular example. Most "academic" Holocaust denial is historically of the technical type. David Irving's entire case ultimately rests on the technically true fact that there is nowhere a surviving record where Hitler specifically wrote out an order for anything that led to an actual event. To Irving this means Hitler wanted to stop it and everyone was keeping him in the dark. To everyone else it means Hitler didn't have to specifically write down what he wanted because it was pretty fucking obvious and he expressed his opinions on everything else going on in the universe to anyone who would stand being with him for long periods.

The other large part of Irving's cohort is saying, "well, sure, the Holocaust, but what about the allied bombings?" Which is part of how he originally got accepted in academia, by being willing to talk about allied atrocities during the war. (It was still taboo in the West to acknowledge these into the later 1970s, and usually limited to the use of the atomic bombs since they were exclusively an American action.) He just took a bit of a while to get to why he wanted to talk about it in that it justifies Nazi crimes retroactively somehow.

The rest of the Irving cohort is hopping onto anyone, no matter how dubious their claims as to background are, making "scientific proofs" that make no sense like how there can't be anyone who was killed at Auschwitz because the doors on the gas chambers have no handles on the inside which means nobody could get out which makes no sense! Doors are made so people can go both ways!

Many academic Turkish-friendly takes on the Armenian Genocide use forms of either of these too. The former Yugoslavia/Soviet Union still has many people who were intimately involved hanging out (or even in power) so it's somewhat verboten to outright state that everyone during the break up tried to get away with something even if some were worse to far worse. For example, one sticking point with people I know from the area (both Bosnian and Serb) is how quickly the Croats got themselves out. They just assume they did something extra nefarious that the U.S. helped cover up. (Though to be fair, they also think know that 9/11 was a US/Mossad plot.)
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to be completely fair the srebrenica take consists of two components, the first is that war crimes absolutely were committed but that albanians were also responsible for significant crimes that went totally unreported, and the second is that it wasn't "technically a genocide" because only men were shot. Not really "genocide denial", besides literally denying it was a genocide, more like stanning really hard for people nobody likes. Like a defense attorney. Or me during my wank dad phase.

I will never defend any of this in public, though, that will get me beaten to death or blacklisted

You mean Bosnians right?

The war in Yugoslavia was one of the first wars that were also fought by PR firms that every party hired.
Outside of some pretty hilarious and ridiculous music videos, this also meant that we (as in the public and academia) also kind of fell for it. Croatia always tried to emphasize their catholic identity to show that they are not really a part of the Balkans. They even sent their state orchestra out on a world tour to show that they appreciate western art. We had these images evoking pictures from the liberation of Nazi concentration camps that showed us Bosnian victims. Serbia had none of that, they were shown as the aggressor. Serbian victims of violence and displacement were never really in the public conscience.
To construct a contrarian argument to downplay Serbian war crimes to go against the western media consensus is incredibly easy. I‘m not familiar with this guy‘s work so I won‘t get more into his motivations.

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But I thought you were talking about Srebrenica?

The most prominent war crime during the Kosovo war was the Racak massacre, and to defend or downplay that one doesn‘t require jumping through as many hoops as downplaying Srebrenica, since the reporting around the Racak massacre has been controversial.

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Esch posting so many memes from my orbit of social media / forums... what's your Rhizzone account mate.

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Communists annihilated by Grandpa Krstan.  8)

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I'm just a normal registered Democrat party voter
this is kinda sus

I say this as a normal everyday American non-voter who is registered to vote purely through the requirements of the state (as in the American state of Michigan, not the conceptual state) complying with the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 as passed by both houses of our Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton.

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I've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'm just a normal registered Democrat party voter who believes in freedom and liberty for all, and the execution of democratic elections to really express every man's interests.

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What the fuck is anybody talking about in this fucking thread?
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Meant to post this when we were talking Balkans.


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If this was a higher quality image I would have proposed to make the expression of Milosevic and he man to his right an emote here.

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Bernie is a freaking INCEL :yuck
 https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/1126679561285111809

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Very cool that the troops have social media!

https://twitter.com/Southcom/status/1126567827819962370

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That's on my to read list. I haven't actually read it because I'm sure it will undersell how much of Wal-Mart / Amazon's "successful" central planning relies on a comically evil degree of surplus value appropriation, government welfare, unsustainable global supply chains, and human misery. Plus since it's Verso I'm sure it's going to veer into comedy like parecon or whatever the Pacific Northwest drum circles are on about these days.

Unrelated: Voxsplainers about the rationing function of prices? Going hopepunk was the best decision I made. 8)

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Hopepunk - it's like Obama with a mohawk?
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https://www.propublica.org/article/terror-in-little-saigon-vietnam-american-journalists-murdered#intro

This was a bit of wild read for me personally because:

I knew none of this stuff had happened here in Orange County when I was growing up. Only thing I can think of was an incident where a store had a flag for actual Vietnam in its window that drew a lot of protests.

It was also kind of a mindfuck because the enmity between exiles I mainly encountered growing up was who collaborated with the French which is probably some bizarre class marker I didn't even know I had.

Anyway, the rule of law is very important! And a free press whose safety and security is sacrosanct! And the chilling effect on free speech by non-state actors!

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As part of their defense, their lawyers argued that the Front members were immune from prosecution because they had struck a secret deal with the CIA and the Department of Defense. In exchange for their help in locating American prisoners of war in Vietnam, the agencies had given the Front permission to do as it wished with the money raised in America.

Prosecutors scoffed at the claim. One defense lawyer, interviewed recently, insisted there was evidence to substantiate the men’s assertion, but the lawyer would neither disclose nor discuss it.

ProPublica and Frontline sought to obtain the entire case file to reconstruct what happened. Surprisingly, staff at the federal courthouses in San Jose and San Francisco said the file had been lost, and the Federal Records Center, which archives old court records, was also unable locate the documents.

The office of the current U.S. attorney in San Francisco would not discuss the case. The Department of Defense and CIA also both refused to talk about the Front.

The few court records that have survived, as well as interviews with some of those involved, show the case came to a sudden, anticlimactic end.

On January 4, 1995, some four years after the indictments had been announced, U.S. District Judge James Ware held a hearing on a motion made by lawyers for the Front members. The lawyers argued that their clients had been denied their right to a speedy trial. The judge, embarrassed, conceded that they were right, and dismissed the case.

Zwemke said he heard about the dismissal in a phone call from the prosecutor’s office. The assistant U.S. attorney said little more than, “Sorry, I wasn’t watching the clock,” Zwemke recalled.

“You got to be kidding me.”

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Later in 1995, Louis Freeh, then the director of the FBI, visited the San Francisco office, where Tang-Wilcox had been grinding along in her pursuit of the Front.

For years, often working solo, she had pulled together a mountain of files from agents across the country, and had scoured them for ways to connect the group to more than two dozen criminal acts.

Finally given an audience with Freeh, Tang-Wilcox said she made a direct plea to him in front of other agents: Either give me the resources to pursue this case or shut it down.

Nearly 15 years after Lam’s murder gave an early intimation of the Front’s tactics, Freeh decided to make the group a priority. The investigation was formally declared a “major case” on organized crime and domestic terrorism grounds, a move that brought it additional agents.

Know what year US/Vietnamese relations were normalized? 1995  :hans1