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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #840 on: September 28, 2019, 09:27:51 AM »
new moldbug doing the rounds on twitter even anyone cares about nrx shit https://americanmind.org/essays/the-clear-pill-part-1-of-5-the-four-stroke-regime/

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« Reply #841 on: September 28, 2019, 12:15:56 PM »
If he gets a new lease on life because the intellectual atmosphere is so much more sympathetic to his craziness now than it was ten years ago that's going to really suck
agreed. i'll read the article at work tomorrow though but i imagine i'll come out thinking if only his mum took the morning-after pill


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« Reply #843 on: September 28, 2019, 03:21:34 PM »
Crash Dummy, we're going to hate read all of these  :vr
well that's a given right? i'm not enamoured by his methodology and i think you're being too kind with the evola comparison

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« Reply #844 on: September 28, 2019, 03:40:46 PM »
oh evola was a huge piece of shit, i didn't mean to make light of that and i don't think of him as just a slightly loony rightwing occultist but at least you get some insight into european fascism through his work; i genuinely don't see the value of moldbug at all




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« Reply #848 on: September 29, 2019, 11:29:14 AM »
new moldbug doing the rounds on twitter even anyone cares about nrx shit https://americanmind.org/essays/the-clear-pill-part-1-of-5-the-four-stroke-regime/

good lord that's some teenaged nihilism peppered with a grad student's latin
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« Reply #850 on: September 30, 2019, 02:02:13 AM »
He’s trying to make it readable.
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« Reply #851 on: September 30, 2019, 03:12:47 AM »
all these threads meld together as tweet sharing threads anyway

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« Reply #852 on: September 30, 2019, 09:17:20 AM »
filler, what do you think this thread is?
I can't read portugeuse  :trumps
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« Reply #853 on: September 30, 2019, 11:34:36 AM »
^liked for zizek video, but those quotes reminded of something eric hoffer wrote about traits of leafers and makes me think we're not going to see the kind of leaders the writer of that article would like if people are vulnerable
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audacity and a joy in defiance; an iron will; a fanatical conviction that he is in possession of the one and only truth; faith in his destiny and luck; a capacity for passionate hatred; contempt for the present; a cunning estimate of human nature; a delight in symbols (spectacles and ceremonials); unbounded brazenness which finds expression in a disregard for consistency and fairness; a recognition that the innermost craving of a following is for communion and that there can never be too much of it; a capacity for winning and holding the utmost loyalty of a group of able lieutenants.

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« Reply #854 on: September 30, 2019, 11:52:21 AM »
filler, what do you think this thread is?
I can't read portugeuse  :trumps

Assimilate (PBUH) probably could :tocry

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« Reply #855 on: September 30, 2019, 02:12:05 PM »
The social and economic issues inherent to liberalism are acknowledged as a constant factor throughout the history of liberalism, but there is no vision to resolve them aside from the application of Strong and Stable Leadership.
she also brings up an educative dimension though. The liberal fascination with heroes is completely pathetic, but the failure to form liberal citizens is a legit macro-problem and I find it really hard to believe that the over-prioritization of technical, professional education doesn’t have at least something to do with it. So I think she’s right about that much.

She’s also right about liberals failing to offer a compelling moral vision (I think we agree on this?). If you’re right, and liberals do actually offer a moral vision, I think it’d reduce to: empathy with the dispossessed and indigent. And I think where liberals fail in communicating this is in explaining why exactly empathy is owed to such people and how to identify them (and obv, what this empathy will amount to in material terms, but I think liberals do talk about this frequently). And I think those failures have been shown up by reactionary judo flipping of the terms of moral discussion by redefining desert and moral worth to redirect things like entitlements, state largesse, and party patronage towards hegemonic groups.

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Liberalism as a moral vision, at least under one construal, might just be inherently unstable, and at a pretty fundamental level. It starts from the twin assumptions of a free and equal citizenry and pluralism, or, everyone’s right to the pursuit of their own good (consistent with a set of everyone else’s right). It aims to defend both and how it manages to get off the ground is by placing the Right over the Good. Questions over what it would be good for everyone to do (sometimes called perfectionist theories) can’t be resolved by state coercion; that’s held as much by lockean propertarians on the right as it is by Rawlsian/Dworkinian market socialists on the left. What can be the object of legitimate violence is the policing of what’s owed to people as members of a free and equal citizenry. So the boundaries liberals draw for themselves wrt moral discussion are narrower than other groups who are ok with ditching pluralism. One example that I think articulates the implicit logic in a lot of liberal thinking is Shklars liberalism of fear. But this kind of defense of liberalism as the least worst option is obv not an inspiring moral vision. No one would die for it. While we’ve seen plenty of people kill for their particular illiberal visions.
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« Reply #857 on: September 30, 2019, 10:55:59 PM »
Because people so often use "a truly remarkable story" in purely a positive connotation I was reading that tweet as approving of the valuable cost saving for taxpayers at first.

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« Reply #858 on: September 30, 2019, 11:02:46 PM »
Hey Jake, the lost history of liberalism author:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1178146718380113920
It's true, the Justice on the far right of that picture had to recluse himself from a Supreme Court case because it stemmed from that time in California he had been arrested for murder. None of the justices today can inspire me like that.


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« Reply #860 on: October 01, 2019, 09:12:59 AM »
Hey Jake, the lost history of liberalism author:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1178146718380113920
It's true, the Justice on the far right of that picture had to recluse himself from a Supreme Court case because it stemmed from that time in California he had been arrested for murder. None of the justices today can inspire me like that.

And the guy that was killed was his predecessor on the California Supreme Court, who had been kicked out for killing a US Senator in a duel.
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« Reply #862 on: October 01, 2019, 07:09:29 PM »
Lol. That's just lazy when you have Atlanta in your state.  :lol :lol

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« Reply #863 on: October 02, 2019, 10:36:50 AM »
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/39/19392.short?rss=1
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The Chinese Communist Revolution that culminated in the 1949 founding of the People’s Republic of China fundamentally transformed class relations in China. With data from a nationally representative, longitudinal survey between 2010 and 2016, this study documents the long-term impact of the Communist Revolution on the social stratification order in today’s China, more than 6 decades after the revolution. True to its stated ideological missions, the revolution resulted in promoting the social status of children of the peasant, worker, and revolutionary cadre classes and disadvantaging those who were from privileged classes at the time of the revolution. Although there was a tendency toward “reversion” mitigating the revolution’s effects in the third generation toward the grandparents’ generation in social status, the overall impact of reversion was small. The revolution effects were most pronounced for the birth cohorts immediately following the revolution, attenuating for recently born cohorts.
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« Reply #865 on: October 02, 2019, 07:52:26 PM »
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« Reply #867 on: October 03, 2019, 11:10:27 AM »
"Drops" was a bad choice of words. He's enacting it, not abandoning it.

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« Reply #871 on: October 04, 2019, 08:41:49 PM »
I started reading Caliban and the Witch and on one hand there are a lot of really interesting ideas but on the other key parts of the history seem pretty shaky even to a layman like myself and it's souring me on the whole thing.
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« Reply #872 on: October 04, 2019, 09:13:36 PM »
It's just disappointing that there wasn't a mass rebellion of witches against feudalism


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« Reply #875 on: October 05, 2019, 03:02:10 PM »
nvm already posted bless up

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« Reply #876 on: October 05, 2019, 06:17:59 PM »


Whatever this is, it is the opposite of Praxis.


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« Reply #878 on: October 06, 2019, 02:02:53 AM »
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« Reply #879 on: October 06, 2019, 02:49:30 AM »


Whatever this is, it is the opposite of Praxis.

I saw a clip yesterday of Michael Brooks getting ill at watching this :lol
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« Reply #880 on: October 06, 2019, 03:59:41 PM »
I miss Kara  :(

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« Reply #881 on: October 07, 2019, 02:49:08 AM »
Random thought but my problem with Jacobin even more than it's politics is that there needs to be a leftist publication somewhere between unreadably dense academic language on one hand and basic propagandising on the other and it consistently fails to be that.

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« Reply #882 on: October 07, 2019, 10:04:51 AM »
Random thought but my problem with Jacobin even more than it's politics is that there needs to be a leftist publication somewhere between unreadably dense academic language on one hand and basic propagandising on the other and it consistently fails to be that.
teen vogue   ;)
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« Reply #885 on: October 09, 2019, 11:27:02 AM »
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« Reply #887 on: October 09, 2019, 01:26:41 PM »


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« Reply #888 on: October 09, 2019, 01:34:22 PM »
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« Reply #889 on: October 09, 2019, 07:46:18 PM »
Random thought but my problem with Jacobin even more than it's politics is that there needs to be a leftist publication somewhere between unreadably dense academic language on one hand and basic propagandising on the other and it consistently fails to be that.
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https://twitter.com/SatansJacuzzi/status/1181992779293106178

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« Reply #890 on: October 09, 2019, 09:00:38 PM »
I'd catch a ball game with hitler  :smug
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« Reply #891 on: October 09, 2019, 09:06:49 PM »
I'd catch a ball game with hitler  :smug
Yeah, smoke meth together.

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« Reply #892 on: October 09, 2019, 10:47:10 PM »
an 8 ball game  ;)
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« Reply #893 on: October 09, 2019, 11:39:03 PM »
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Professor Otto Ranke realized in 1938 that there was a medicine out there that was highly popular in the German civilian population. This was Pervatin methamphetamine, and he read some of the reports ... [that] concluded that methamphetamine reduces the fear level, if given in high dosages, and also reduces the need to sleep. ... So he started doing tests in 1938 and in 1939 on young medical officers in Berlin. ... [And] he came to the conclusion that meth is the perfect drug for soldiers, and he suggested this to his superiors. He said, "We should distribute meth officially among the troops."

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« Reply #894 on: October 09, 2019, 11:44:02 PM »
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« Reply #895 on: October 10, 2019, 05:04:44 PM »
https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/professional-managerial-chasm/

Really liked this piece. Most clear-headed analysis of the current situation on the left I've read. 

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« Reply #896 on: October 10, 2019, 06:17:28 PM »
https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/professional-managerial-chasm/

Really liked this piece. Most clear-headed analysis of the current situation on the left I've read.

Ok but it doesn't tell me who is right ? :confused
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« Reply #897 on: October 10, 2019, 06:18:24 PM »
Tulsi obviously

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« Reply #898 on: October 10, 2019, 06:22:38 PM »
Screw this noise, I'm voting Pence.  :dobbs
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« Reply #899 on: October 11, 2019, 03:27:16 PM »
https://twitter.com/TribTowerViews/status/1182738630785134592
https://twitter.com/dillonliam/status/1182686899334369280

Gotta love how people get mad when government proposes to actually make some people lives marginally better. A dude complains how much homeless are literally walking the streets and gets mad when the city of L.A. proposes to take them off the street.