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« Reply #901 on: October 12, 2019, 06:24:15 PM »
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« Reply #902 on: October 13, 2019, 01:17:12 AM »
If nothing else, you gotta respect his dedication to his craft  :doge
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« Reply #904 on: October 15, 2019, 01:42:31 PM »
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How many of those are not Trudeau? I'm guessing the Nazi one and the hunk on the chair one?


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« Reply #906 on: October 16, 2019, 04:18:06 AM »
I'm discovering that some people on Twitter who identify in their profiles as anarchists but only ever tweet about electoral politics may in fact just be democratic socialists. Or simply Democratic Party members.

Imagine their embarrassment when they find out!

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« Reply #909 on: October 16, 2019, 06:22:07 PM »
The antagonistic class conflict portions of Marxism do not reflect the current state of things (not to say that exploitation doesn't exist), which necessitates an anti-capitalism coalition that is more than a monolithic working class.




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« Reply #913 on: October 17, 2019, 01:09:48 AM »
All these smooth-brain tweeters getting btfo by actual socialism, you love to see it.
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« Reply #914 on: October 18, 2019, 06:09:58 PM »
benji come get your people
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« Reply #917 on: October 19, 2019, 01:52:44 PM »
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« Reply #919 on: October 19, 2019, 07:08:29 PM »
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« Reply #921 on: October 19, 2019, 11:15:47 PM »
Apparently this is a somewhat well known cult in Austin. Texas... here I come.

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On October 12, a contingent of anti-revisionist combatants confronted a public meeting of the Kansas City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Online propaganda from the DSA and their supporters has tried to portray the event as a brutal attack on the elderly, but in reality, a DSA member who attacked a woman combatant was repelled, taking multiple blows that left him bloodied and sent to the hospital.

Only two local DSA chapter leaders and two other members who were helping to set up for the event were present when the militant activists blocked the door to the venue and made their way inside.

Upon entry, a speech was read by one of the revolutionaries detailing the rotten nature of DSA’s practices locally and nationally, as well as how the struggle against fascism must include confronting social-fascism, as revisionism is the enemy of genuine socialism.

The charges made against DSA were that nationally they have had police union organizers in elected positions of leadership, that they act as foot soldiers for the imperialist Democratic Party, and that they are a revisionist formation that is aiming to corral the working class under the wing of the bourgeoisie in the name of socialism by encouraging participation in the bourgeois electoral farce.

During the speech, propaganda materials and the projector were confiscated by the revolutionaries, DSA leadership making no attempt to stop them. “Revolution’s not for play, down with the DSA!” and “DSA will never win, social democracy is fascism’s twin!” were chanted as the event supplies were taken.

It was at this point that a local activist, Carl, who has been kicked out of another organization for defending sexual abusers and is known for trying to publicly expose the identities of communists, rushed at the combatants attempting to reclaim his propaganda yelling, “This is a safe space!”

He threw the first punch, targeting one of the woman revolutionaries, but was immediately beaten back by the combatants, while one DSA leader tried to defend him. The brawl broke out again when Carl grabbed another revolutionary and tackled him to the ground. The revolutionaries rallied and freed their comrade, and Carl was left bloodied along with the remnants of his propaganda strewn on the floor.

 

Greg Mueller, another of the local DSA leaders, called the director of the space to rush to the scene, while Kansas/Missouri Dream Alliance (KSMODA), who were holding a DACA clinic next door called the police, showing their bourgeois character.

KCDSA, Carl, and his wife Brianna, have subsequently crafted an online counterpropaganda effort to blur the real contradictions that led to this action, painting the actions against Carl as as “attacking the elderly” and referring to him as a “disabled veteran.” KCDSA traffics in identity opportunism when convenient to their cause.

Before the skirmish, the revolutionaries had made it clear that the reason for their disruption and confiscation of materials was due to the social-fascist nature of DSA. Carl targeted a woman revolutionary and the other revolutionaries responded accordingly. The primary contradiction was between communists and revisionists, and necessary force was used to repel the man who had singled out a woman to attack.

The local branch in Kansas City (KCDSA) has misled the masses into think that the fight for socialism amounts to little more than hosting book clubs, film screenings, and ineffectual rallies. KCSDA has served as a magnet for cast-off activists and protest hoppers, as well as doing the leg work of local Democratic candidates.

The DSA acts as a conveyor belt for bringing bourgeois ideology to the masses and attempts to organize them behind the party of capitalism with a leftist veneer. The historical antifascism that they gathered to celebrate was not organized through “left unity” or by revisionists like themselves, but by genuine Communist Parties that took up arms against fascists and correctly identified social democracy as social-fascism and combatted it ideologically, politically, and militarily. A real antifascist day of unity cannot include revisionists. Democratic socialism, like all forms of revisionism, poses the utmost danger to the struggle for revolution.

When revisionists are wounded, as they were last weekend in Kansas City, even observers who are otherwise critical of the DSA may cringe, appalled by the violence that took place. And yet many of these observers, for all of their nonviolent protests and online comments, have not managed to deal any serious blows to the revisionism which has clamped down on socialist revolution in the US for most of the past century, which has kept workers exploited, nations oppressed, and the masses downtrodden.

To those who side with the bourgeoisie, the images of blood from last Saturday are disturbing, but to revolutionaries, what happened is fine. Revisionism will not magically disappear on its own. It caters to the least oppressed among the masses and seeks to dupe the rest by parading counterfeit socialism. Saturday’s bloodshed stains this charade; its forgery slowly unmasked as revolutionaries wage a merciless struggle against revisionism and opportunism.

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« Reply #923 on: October 20, 2019, 03:25:42 AM »
damn, the blur
but the most pressing thing is the authenticity, is it an ice axe and was it the real trotsky thumper?

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« Reply #924 on: October 20, 2019, 06:02:14 AM »
Listened to the Zizek Chapo and it was kind of boring. He reiterated a lot t of his recent tirades on game of thrones, Greta thunberg, Trump etc. And then of course made the point multiple times that the left needs to shoot for Trump voters and Bernie Sanders is the only one that can do that. 

If they weren't cowards they'd have let Don have a full episode on the labor aristocracy and settler colonialism, with Amber on the episode.

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« Reply #935 on: October 24, 2019, 03:27:40 PM »
https://fox59.com/2019/10/24/125-parking-meters-spray-painted-filled-with-expanding-foam-in-downtown-bloomington

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« Reply #938 on: October 24, 2019, 07:48:54 PM »
https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/professional-managerial-chasm/

Really liked this piece. Most clear-headed analysis of the current situation on the left I've read.

This piece touched off a somewhat tedious back and forth in leftist circles but this interview with Barbara Ehrenreich (who coined the term PMC) was interesting. Also:

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It didn’t work out. The professor and his wife walked out. First, they denounced me personally—they brought a copy of Mao’s Little Red Book, which they read aloud from, only whenever Mao was denouncing liberals, they would say “Barbara.” It was just bizarre, and it was painful at the same time.


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« Reply #942 on: October 28, 2019, 02:34:52 PM »
The week before the current Chilean protests broke out FT had an interview with the President and his arrogance is pretty amusing in retrospect:

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Determined to preserve his country’s reputation as a beacon of stability and sound economic management in a continent not famous for either, Chile’s billionaire president Sebastián Piñera defines himself as a committed crusader against populism. His fight is an increasingly solitary one.

Latin America’s two biggest economies, Brazil and Mexico, are governed by populists of the right and left respectively; neighbouring Argentina looks set to eject Mr Piñera’s close ally Mauricio Macri and return to Peronism in elections at the end of this month; and pro-reform presidents in Peru and Ecuador are fighting for their political lives.

But Mr Piñera is unbowed, invoking classical myth in his fight against the demagogues. “Ulysses tied himself to a ship’s mast and put pieces of wax in his ears to avoid falling for the . . . siren calls,” the silver-haired 69-year-old leader tells the Financial Times during a conversation at the presidential palace in Santiago. “We are ready to do everything to not fall into populism, into demagoguery.”

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   Closer to home, Mr Piñera is sympathetic to the electoral plight of his neighbour Mr Macri, who polls say will lose his bid for re-election in Argentina by a wide margin on October 27.

“Macri is a good guy,” he insists. “I have been very good friends with him for many years,” dismissing an aide’s suggestion that the remark should not be quoted.

But he is quick to point out the sharp differences between Chile’s consistently well-performing economy and its sickly Argentine neighbour, as well as the generally unhealthy region of which they form a part.

“Look at Latin America,” Mr Piñera said. “Argentina and Paraguay are in recession, Mexico and Brazil in stagnation, Peru and Ecuador in deep political crisis and in this context Chile looks like an oasis because we have stable democracy, the economy is growing, we are creating jobs, we are improving salaries and we are keeping macroeconomic balance . . . Is it easy? No, it’s not. But it’s worth fighting for.”
Also because Benji has infected me with his curse I now read the comments section and while the FT one is pretty level headed as far as comments sections go they hate the Chilean protestors. Guess it's hard to see the faults in the gold standard of neoliberalism.
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The headline is a comic bravado from a politician that in his first term kowtowed to the left and opened Chile political system to populism with its ambiguous policies that damaged competition and private initiative and his inability to stand firm to oversized demands for social freebies. Populism is already well entrenched in this small country with limited resources, partly because its elites and workers have long seen themselves as the Europeans of Latin America and deserving of the same social largesse of countries with a multiple of its per capital income. Once again, as those international meetings approach, the government propaganda machine will harp on Chilean hollow exceptionalism.
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You seem to have mixed up the Chilean case with Argentina and Uruguay....Chile is different; its economy has strongly diverged form its undisciplined,  sleazy  neighbours since the mid 1980's
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   This article is about Chile, but the authors should limit their use of 'populism' to 'economic populism', as their reference to Brazil as 'governed by populists of the right' is highly misleading.  Brazil is currently implementing what is arguably the MOST AMBITIOUS ECONOMIC LIBERALIZATION program on the PLANET! Brazil's economic policy is NOT POPULIST!

Brazil should be the real focus for anyone analyzing the South American continent. The nation is 10X+ larger than Chile, with a 200+ million population, compared to Chile's 20 million. Chile is a reference, a model, a blueprint, an example for the region and Brazil's current administration absolutely relies on its precedent policies to guide its current reforms. Brazil's economic liberalization program is far-reaching and all-encompassing, including complete tax policy reform, pension system reform, labor market liberalization, central bank monetary policy independence, financial market deregulation, transport/communications market deregulation, large-scale privatization program.

Of course, the real point of this article is to highlight the power of Chile's institutional development and stability, accomplished following decades of difficult policy implementation and associated political negotiation. Countless analysts attribute Chile's success to Pinochet's complete freedom during his dictatorship to implement any economic policy his team wanted, regardless of any resulting social pain and disruption. However, claiming only 'right-wing' administrations can implement economic liberalization programs is absurd.

Populists have their days counted in Latin America, no matter what the Alberto Fernandez'es-of-the-world, or the AMLO's of-the-world claim. Objective realism, NOT the 'magical realism' of legendary authors, Gabriel Garcia Marquez and Borges, is the name of the game now in Latin America. Strongmen, nationalists, and economic populists do NOT have a good track record enhancing prosperity and development.

The best part is the username. In this section we have Oswald Spengler, Robespierre, and Diogenes the Realist.
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« Reply #943 on: October 28, 2019, 02:41:52 PM »
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« Reply #945 on: October 28, 2019, 07:48:59 PM »
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"This story starts with me being on Tinder,” Emma Sulkowicz explains. “I don’t have TV, so all I can do is swipe left and right on men.” It’s mid-afternoon, and we’re in a deserted Vietnamese restaurant in downtown Manhattan, near the on-ramp to the Williamsburg Bridge. Sulkowicz is telling me about the “political journey” she’s lately been on, a listening tour of ideological positions that she’s always considered too right-wing to engage: centrists, conservatives, libertarians, and whatever Jordan Peterson is — various and sundry souls that Jezebel has canceled, whose names chill dinner conversation across progressive New York. Sulkowicz hasn’t been redpilled; she’s still a feminist and an advocate for survivors of sexual assault. What’s changed is her posture. “Even if I disagree with this person,” she says, “it doesn’t have to piss me off.”
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All these ‘new friends’ just happen to be conservative and libertarian men who have mansplained the meaning of true happiness to her ( it no longer involves blue hair or art, but does involve the National Review) If you can’t beat em, join em, I guess? just so long as her privileged little ass stays on the radar, even as a mascot. At least she’s still trendily gender-fluid so she can keep her hand in if she decides that proclaiming this all a troll is more lucrative and personally beneficial. How nice to have the privilege for all this!
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By the way, Emma, most of us who gained much success in adulthood (raising hand) didn't wait until the age of 27 to "make some decisions for myself and decide what kind of adult I want to be." Good luck. You'll need it. Meantime, better find a day job.
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She wasn't able to translate her activism and porn into her preferred career in left wing advocacy. So now she's a free agent seeing who else she can front so she doesn't have to work for a living.
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And so what? What present context makes this person’s pedestrian philosophical enquiry of possible interest to anyone beyond her social/professional circle? She has made no recent art, written no book, is not running for office. Add that the opinions given are neither deep or revelatory...WHY?

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« Reply #946 on: October 28, 2019, 09:48:57 PM »
someone be COPING about their eyes

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« Reply #948 on: October 28, 2019, 09:58:14 PM »
First tweet made me think more about how much literature is printed on WHITE paper reinforcing the notion that people of color are imposing themselves on the natural state of the "page" like the text does.



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« Reply #952 on: October 29, 2019, 02:00:17 AM »
I just read those two PMC pieces and I have to say I had an annoying benji smirk at all the talk about the idea of a new class being discovered in late 1970s by the Ehrenreichs and "neoconservatives" even if Press did manage to mention James Burnham at one point in a question that also involved Richard Spencer and Tucker Carlson.

Bakunin and Marx literally argued about it at the First. Michels was so fond of his iron law that he became a fascist to help implement it. Popper and Hayek independently came up with their own version of the idea in about the same year and so convinced Keynes it was one of the few things he admitted to changing his mind on. Eisenhower's "-industrial complex" speech is arguably about the emerging PMC. Just none of them discussed it in a Marxist format, especially adhering to the Rule of Two as discovered in the prophetic visions, so the Left ignored it for decades especially when the Party Line was in force, even when Dilas wrote a book literally named it cribbing Trotsky he adhered to the rule. (Although to be fair he was largely describing the Soviet and Yugoslav experiences. And he totally was not Party Line.) "Neoconservatives" were coming into the same ideas at the same time because they were coming out of the same failure to launch that kneecapped The New Left for so long.

Also the end of that first article (chasm) was kinda wild at how many words it used to avoid saying "if not Sanders, we must get Warren" specifically. Also the multiple steps pairing down the disparate class interests and conflicts to fit into one large class with a single universal goal (shockingly "the end of human capital") was enjoyable. Was most disappointed in the lack of analysis regarding the colonialism involved in the Sanders and Warren campaigns holding events in places that once were Native American lands along with the refusal of the working class (either PMC or not) to understand their role in this continued exploitation and the necessity of immediate revolution until which they cannot be considered true allies of the actual revolutionary proletariat.

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« Reply #953 on: October 29, 2019, 02:40:47 AM »
Eisenhower's "-industrial complex" speech is arguably about the emerging PMC.

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« Reply #954 on: October 29, 2019, 02:51:01 AM »
Of course it can be examined that way unless you intend to discard that entire section:
Quote from: Dwight D. Eisenhower
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.
As she notes, the Ehrenreichs were members of what Eisenhower terms the "scientifictechnological elite" rather than the working class.

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« Reply #955 on: October 29, 2019, 02:59:57 AM »
thank you for posting a quote to support my conclusion it is very kind of you

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a quote to support my conclusion

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« Reply #957 on: October 29, 2019, 03:36:22 AM »
I'd have to read Ehrenreich more to be certain of this but it seems to me that Eisenhower's "scientifictechnological elite" would certainly be a part of the PMC, but only a part, and Eisenhower wasn't talking about the broader class grouping in the way she was (which tbf is so broad that it's hard to hold together). And perhaps most importantly is that Ehrenreich is framing this group in terms of how it functions within and contributes to the reproduction of capitalism, which Eisenhower wasn't. Of course it isn't a truly novel concept but I sort of doubt Ehrenreich is really claiming that she went on safari and made contact with this previously undiscovered tribe of managers, academics, engineers, etc.

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« Reply #958 on: October 29, 2019, 03:55:53 AM »
Ehrenreich isn't saying it, but both authors work via the assumption because their canon (and focus) is internal Left spaces. Eisenhower's intent and framing is of course not close to the same, nor were the others I mentioned, but the emergence of a "new class" with increasing power in the post-war periods was a heavy focus, but like everything else, the "mainstream" of elite thought didn't really care* until the upheavels of the 1960s and 1970s when it suddenly noticed that people still had problems. Ehrenreich mentions this in her very first anecdote in which the professors didn't notice until well after the working class members. Academia and journalism's experience came in extremely different circumstances and on common ones through different approaches on things like civil rights, than did the white working class' major changes through inflation, the rise of Germany/Japan and then civil rights from their side.

I think the one piece does harm to its own argument about the class similarities when it spends so much time noting that the PMC must suffer economically and essentially fall out of the class entirely to achieve solidarity with the working class and then somehow then convince the remaining members of the threat to their own well-being despite having remained in the class. There's way too many steps to both uphold and then also at the same time try to downplay the PMC theory in the same way it concedes the irrelevance of electoral politics while spending all its time on two small fractions of one larger party in electoral politics.

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Eisenhower's speech, to maintain the cowardly obsessive's focus on what was a popular example of the commonality of a concept in the era, was seen as a weird last message from a possibly senile man rather than a relevant and respected analysis or even the common sense that it became in many circles by the time his Vice President was President... it wasn't until the 1990s that Eisenhower began to be rated as anything above a poor President who just golfed by most historians. By then it was accepted as a prescient warning.
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