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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1200 on: January 19, 2020, 01:58:24 AM »
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read into the Heidi Sloan thing again and the whole thing is just so... mentally ill. Made me pretty sick reading it :goty2

It's hard not to think they're some sort of law enforcement operation. A comparable group in the Boyle Heights part of LA is known more for menacing "gentrifying forces" than basically everyone else, though they did have a dust up with DSA LA about a food pantry

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« Reply #1201 on: January 19, 2020, 04:34:26 PM »
Both scenarios are great because one on hand someone probably had to read the little red book to cosplay like an episode of Brooklyn 99 or some Austin white kids took it way too far. Both equally plausible

I would say that they're both highly plausible but not equally so. The last "revolutionary" organization you could be certain about not being infiltrated and controlled was FRSO and that's because they were ripped apart by arrests and trials.

That organization operates out of Texas and neither the state nor the other state has hammered them. For reference the FBI once considered Food Not Bombs a group with terrorist ties.

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« Reply #1202 on: January 19, 2020, 05:13:13 PM »
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« Reply #1203 on: January 19, 2020, 05:52:14 PM »
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« Reply #1204 on: January 20, 2020, 02:41:26 AM »
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« Reply #1205 on: January 21, 2020, 07:55:56 PM »
The Victorian sewage article you posted was a good read, I'll check this out. Echoes a conversation you and Esch had itt awhile back.

Unrelated: I got hired to read some resumes and give my opinion. Just read one from someone who was employed by a big brokerage firm in Orange County, California and listed "was in the office on September 11, 2001 when N floors of the firm were destroyed" as a bullet point above "Very knowledgeable about securities trading" under that employer on their resume.

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« Reply #1206 on: January 21, 2020, 09:13:04 PM »
It's hard not to think they're some sort of law enforcement operation. A comparable group in the Boyle Heights part of LA is known more for menacing "gentrifying forces" than basically everyone else, though they did have a dust up with DSA LA about a food pantry
this made me think of these guys:

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« Reply #1207 on: January 22, 2020, 01:22:02 AM »
https://monthlyreview.org/2018/07/01/cesspools-sewage-and-social-murder/

May be misremembering, but basically no one here links MR.

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« Reply #1208 on: January 22, 2020, 01:39:07 AM »
it was jack  ;)
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« Reply #1209 on: January 22, 2020, 01:57:52 AM »
I always accepted the dominant, critical stance of Castro, but I was doing some Wiki browsing and this Batista guy was comically villainous. Can't say I regret what came next.  :leon
Maybe some people have been unfairly maligned or atleast mischaracterized grossly, for reasons.

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« Reply #1210 on: January 22, 2020, 02:03:42 AM »
Wasn't me, but thank you for tonight's bedtime reading  :-*

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« Reply #1211 on: January 22, 2020, 02:37:09 AM »
neuroplasticity is a bitch  :(

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« Reply #1214 on: January 22, 2020, 03:18:38 PM »
Let Capitalism erode your society instead, but in a good way.
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« Reply #1216 on: January 22, 2020, 04:06:27 PM »
https://twitter.com/johannesf/status/984719526389518336

thought nintex was brown, but maybe that was just for zwarte! :lol
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« Reply #1218 on: January 22, 2020, 09:42:36 PM »
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« Reply #1222 on: January 24, 2020, 11:29:07 PM »
i'll admit to liking this even before the obvious reveal:

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« Reply #1227 on: February 01, 2020, 03:47:41 PM »
i'll admit to liking this even before the obvious reveal:





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« Reply #1230 on: February 04, 2020, 04:19:59 PM »
Me: Greedy landlords deserve that shit.

Also me: With my intense dislike for everything Berlin. I hope this failed city state gets BTFO‘d in the courts.

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« Reply #1231 on: February 05, 2020, 03:31:01 AM »

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« Reply #1232 on: February 05, 2020, 08:57:42 AM »
Corporate Dictatorship :jeb
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« Reply #1233 on: February 05, 2020, 02:34:59 PM »
poli compass is only useful for memes anyway


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« Reply #1235 on: February 05, 2020, 08:46:09 PM »
poli compass is only useful for memes anyway
this is the proper system:

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« Reply #1237 on: February 08, 2020, 07:03:30 PM »
boreans support only the most necessary of class wars

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« Reply #1239 on: February 08, 2020, 08:51:21 PM »
"donald trump has given billionaires a bad name" ::) :lol


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« Reply #1241 on: February 09, 2020, 10:37:26 PM »
In... *squints*... Ecuador?

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« Reply #1243 on: February 10, 2020, 01:08:29 AM »
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1. What’s the probability of Sanders’ track record if he is a crypto-communist?  Here, I’d go high.  Most crypto-communists in Sanders’ position would be look like him.  I give this 75%.

2. What’s the probability of Sanders’ track record if he isn’t a crypto-communist?  Sanders view have long been extremely unpopular, but quite a few non-communists on the radical left would have shared them.  So I’ll give this 1.2%.
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« Reply #1244 on: February 10, 2020, 01:34:27 AM »
I don’t see how the soc dem contingent in the democratic party doesn’t moderate hard if/when they start wielding actual power. esp. in foreign policy. bernard brother twitter can agonize over the squad’s leftist bonafides in social and economic justice in the domestic sphere and thats all well and good, but international relations are a whole nother ballgame, one thats not so much dominated by as literally comprehensively composed of state department officials, the intelligence community, and the armed forces. there is no interest group in washington of the same size/influence that is as ideologically homogeneous and there is straight up no countervailing complex of institutions from which to compile an alternative roster of foreign policy officials, much less a ‘leftist’ one (theres an analogous problem in political economy; after, inshallah, the berndawg sets up camp in the white house, I’m anticipating some of his rose emoji constituency to nauseate at the inevitable neoliberalisation of his policy agenda -if, ya know, it passes in the first place.). theres also no route to pressure his administration towards a more leftward approach in international relations with the coalition he’s trying to build*, if anything, the opposite’s the case.

none of this is to gainsay that he’d definitely be a better commander in chief than any of the other ghouls we’ve ever had to pick from, its to say that theres a lot more inertia here than some who are down with the revolution want to admit.

*except maybe israel-palestine

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« Reply #1245 on: February 10, 2020, 01:41:40 AM »
theres also no route to pressure his administration towards a more leftward approach in international relations with the coalition he’s trying to build*, if anything, the opposite’s the case.
it just dawned on me that some of the low income families that make up the bulk of our volunteer soldiery might actually have an interest in not seeing their kids die, so who knows? :whatsthedeal

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« Reply #1246 on: February 10, 2020, 01:53:21 AM »
It was funny how the ILA vote came up in the discourse cause it was right after Warren got pummeled for her "Soleimani was bad but we shouldn't have done that" take, so Bernie fans had to immediately pull a 180 (actually condemning or calling for the ouster of a foreign leader is fine!). But pointing out that people with poster brain get hypocritical is fish in a barrel and not really relevant.

As far as how bad the vote itself really was, I think it's fair to say that if you vote to make regime change of some country in MENA the explicit policy of the United States of America, how do you think that's going to go down? Maybe he didn't expect a full on ground invasion and occupation but the other likely avenues weren't that pretty either.

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« Reply #1247 on: February 10, 2020, 01:58:10 AM »
Exactly as Eisenhower (and Trump) warned about the professional managerial class.

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« Reply #1248 on: February 10, 2020, 02:00:30 AM »
Piggybacking on jake's post, worth noting how much even Obama got pushback from the domestic FP establishment as well as US allies for his less hawkish efforts. There were stories running in the New Yorker wondering why he wasn't doing more in Syria. His first Secretary of Defense wrote a book criticizing him for not trusting the Saudi government enough!

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« Reply #1249 on: February 10, 2020, 02:01:54 AM »
A lot of criticism around his "red line" statement was how it made us look weak to decide circumstances had changed.

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« Reply #1250 on: February 10, 2020, 02:07:49 AM »
I was listening to an arms control  podcast during the JCPOA negotiations, and when Obama said something about the agreement being a possible first step on a path towards US-Iranian reconciliation, they were openly mocking it as a gaffe that would "rightfully" freak out Saudi Arabia and the gulf states.

And these are the people who chose to specialize in arms control, who you could expect to be on the dovish/internationalist end of the FP establishment spectrum.

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« Reply #1251 on: February 10, 2020, 02:24:19 AM »
Yep. The levers of power are huge, they're inaccessible to public office, and they're directly beholden to the interests of capital.
there’s even a hot n ready revleft take on this: soc dem’s robust wealth transfer schemes are just as implicated in the exploitation of their periphery as their rightward neighbor’s liberal regimes are. of course they’d take up the mantle of enforcing empire when it comes to be their time in the driver seat.

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Since the CIA is running candidates in broad daylight (not just talking about Buttigieg) and nobody really cares aside from Twitter leftists I see the chance of an about face from elected officials on foreign policy unlikely.
slightly related cause you just reminded me -what about the volte face from the jacobin-and-adjacent intelligentsia who’ve put all their eggs in bernie’s basket?

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« Reply #1252 on: February 10, 2020, 02:31:54 AM »
This conversation is missing an important voice:
https://www.mikebloomberg.com/policies/foreign-policy

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« Reply #1253 on: February 10, 2020, 02:38:05 AM »
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yeah and this is just like, wrt anti-war. if you wanted anti-interventionism and positive (meaningful) support for democratic causes abroad, you’d have to entangle their self-interests with those people we’re potentially intervening in or supporting. and those voluntary associations would have to be transnational, extra-state, and also something that holds actual bargaining power over states. so good luck with that

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« Reply #1254 on: February 10, 2020, 03:21:13 AM »
They can eat the L and say it's the opening of a movement (technically they aren't wrong if you ignore or misinterpret 200 years of history).
Idk what specifically you’re referring to in the parenthetical, but I do think this might be an actual watershed moment in us politics. like the start of a seventh party system, or whatever the fuck benji says we’re supposed to be on now. the weight of the neoliberal consensus between carter and barry o has splintered the floorboards enough that figures like bernard and the donald have managed to slip through. and while the latter’s administration has obv been in 98% continuity with the pre-2015 GOP, that 2%, which mostly consists in style and outward facing appearance rather than anything substantive, is non-trivial. they also can’t affect any of their agenda and it’s not merely because trump is an idiot who surrounds himself with idiots, it’s because modern american conservatism is ineffectual, and ineffectual because it’s accomplished most everything it set out to do already.

and bernie’s ‘movement’, is gonna have more sticking power than i think your post anticipates. those generational differences in polling tell a really important story; a plurality of people under 35 have effectively been radicalized by left fascism, and it’ll keep trending in that direction as long as dissatisfaction with the center of american politics is high.

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« Reply #1255 on: February 10, 2020, 02:51:01 PM »
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« Reply #1256 on: February 10, 2020, 02:57:30 PM »
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« Reply #1258 on: February 10, 2020, 04:23:11 PM »
Sorry, I wrote half of that while i was passing out and it's pretty incoherent. I agree with you that the neoliberal mode of production is nearing it's end, what will come out of it is up to various factors. I'm not sure where else stagnant or crisis capital can turn in its latest series of death throes for rejuvenation but it won't be pretty. We've seen an imperial core nation in hospice and the right wing always wins - contrast with the more mixed results of the periphery. As you've noted the timing of it all is bizarre. On it's face the movements obv the movements aren't that extreme. Donald's fascism would be normal to many nations under the comprador jackboot, and Bernie would be a centre-left politician elsewhere, but the fact that it's even happening here is notable.

 I guess what I'm trying to get across is that even if they are successful on any level, the counterrevolution will be swift and vicious. I think people are stunned by the workings of Iowa and they're getting the first taste of what socialists of all stripes in the economic periphery get every day, what they are simply not ready for is blackshirts in the streets breaking legs. I think they'll fail because I think the social basis for actual, heiling fascism is not just strong but the baseline of american society. And i think when push comes to shove when the cards really get on the table thanks to climate change these closed borders social democrats will not become internationalists.
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« Reply #1259 on: February 10, 2020, 08:02:17 PM »
For the sake of the bernard critiques, I gotta say the shift away from complaining about millionaires to billionaires for him is a little something.
Reading up about the latest shenanigans of multi-millionaires like Loughlin and feeling disdain.