Author Topic: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry. (Read 292271 times)

yet to unravel the mysteries of value form theory but this article that's somewhat related is really good:

https://nplusonemag.com/issue-28/reviews/the-bleak-left/

Touches on VFT but mainly it's about the big problem in nu-Socialism, the decline of the wage-earning industrial class that was supposed to deliver the revolution

team filler · « **Reply #1572 on:** April 29, 2020, 04:37:18 AM »

https://twitter.com/jewcommie/status/1255308398507278336

toku · « **Reply #1573 on:** April 30, 2020, 05:29:07 PM »

https://twitter.com/ExtraSmallRobin/status/1255800047154925569

Idk if we're gonna make it past May.

team filler · « **Reply #1574 on:** April 30, 2020, 08:09:24 PM »

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1256001921300803586

VomKriege · « **Reply #1575 on:** April 30, 2020, 08:42:02 PM »

4 more years and Daou is becoming Maoist News Network 2.

team filler · « **Reply #1576 on:** April 30, 2020, 09:49:43 PM »

Quote from: filler on April 29, 2020, 04:37:18 AM

https://twitter.com/jewcommie/status/1255308398507278336

https://twitter.com/ChiefGaziKodzo/status/1255805794072788993

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1577 on:** April 30, 2020, 11:12:06 PM »

Quote from: toku on April 30, 2020, 05:29:07 PM

https://twitter.com/ExtraSmallRobin/status/1255800047154925569

Idk if we're gonna make it past May.

the virus wasn't a real virus, but NANOMACHINES created by a megacorp with various goals including manipulation of politicians

remy · « **Reply #1578 on:** April 30, 2020, 11:55:11 PM »

Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 30, 2020, 11:12:06 PM

Quote from: toku on April 30, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ExtraSmallRobin/status/1255800047154925569

Idk if we're gonna make it past May.

the virus wasn't a real virus, but NANOMACHINES created by a megacorp with various goals including manipulation of politicians

different to corona how?

??

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #1579 on:** April 30, 2020, 11:59:17 PM »

One wasn't spread by 5G.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1580 on:** May 01, 2020, 12:21:53 AM »

Quote from: remy on April 30, 2020, 11:55:11 PM

Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 30, 2020, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: toku on April 30, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ExtraSmallRobin/status/1255800047154925569

Idk if we're gonna make it past May.

the virus wasn't a real virus, but NANOMACHINES created by a megacorp with various goals including manipulation of politicians

different to corona how???

where is my fucking augmented vision

benjipwns · « **Reply #1581 on:** May 01, 2020, 08:45:08 PM »

The Intercept being worth that much in the first place

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1582 on:** May 01, 2020, 08:50:35 PM »

are you guys materialists? like wrt general ontology, do you think that everything there is is reductively physical? ive been bored and am wondering whether its necessary to be if you wanna employ something like histmat

benjipwns · « **Reply #1583 on:** May 01, 2020, 08:59:39 PM »

Nah, I'm a straddler who says while everything should be able to be reduced we don't (at least yet) have the capability to comprehend or understand it as such so our only recourse is theoretical.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1584 on:** May 02, 2020, 01:48:00 AM »

https://twitter.com/okhotskatka/status/1255982516827234304

Rufus · « **Reply #1585 on:** May 02, 2020, 10:00:30 AM »

Quote from: Esch on May 01, 2020, 09:08:50 PM

Welp, I've spent a lot of the quarantine in the idealist world while comparing and contrasting with the relevant left philosophy but: My take is that we basically don't know in the end wrt ontology and may never know but i came out with more questions (how stable are the boundaries between natural science and social science really?) than answers. ussr and prc thinkers had a lot of thoughts about this and i haven't taken a strict line but one thing i really do agree with is the idea that material circumstances shape ideology and consciousness and in that respect acknowledging this is essential for both analysis of history and political action. but TBH i'll have to check back with you in a year or something.

I've settled on this being true regardless of any heavy reading I won't do anyway. Can't see how it wouldn't be. Can't escape the meat prison and all its needs.

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #1586 on:** May 02, 2020, 02:30:37 PM »

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 01, 2020, 08:50:35 PM

are you guys materialists? like wrt general ontology, do you think that everything there is is reductively physical? ive been bored and am wondering whether its necessary to be if you wanna employ something like histmat

I had way too religious an upbringing

team filler · « **Reply #1587 on:** May 02, 2020, 10:13:35 PM »

https://twitter.com/UrFavNoIsrael/status/1255604915336089605

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1588 on:** May 03, 2020, 04:26:42 AM »

you can still think all the facts are physical!

Tripon · « **Reply #1589 on:** May 03, 2020, 01:21:37 PM »

https://twitter.com/davidchang/status/1256993670311620612
https://twitter.com/davidchang/status/1256995712723816466

toku · « **Reply #1590 on:** May 03, 2020, 04:27:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1256963936093683712

didnt know where to post this one

VomKriege · « **Reply #1591 on:** May 03, 2020, 04:29:24 PM »

Look, it's all well and good but we have strong intelligence that Chavismo escaped from a Cuban lab.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #1592 on:** May 04, 2020, 03:02:42 AM »

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1256015582689988610

curly · « **Reply #1593 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:45:11 PM »

Don't know if this got posted anywhere, figured it's most relevant to the political economy thread:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1257303959229943808

VomKriege · « **Reply #1594 on:** May 04, 2020, 04:15:30 PM »

It's rare enough that I can only say : Kudos for speaking his mind and walking the walk.

team filler · « **Reply #1595 on:** May 05, 2020, 02:33:50 AM »

https://twitter.com/Abelbc85/status/1257558078813343745

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1596 on:** May 05, 2020, 12:31:50 PM »

there’s ~60 pages in the cambridge companion to the roman economy and another ~30 in the cambridge economic history of rome dedicated to production. beyond some general and comparative surveys i could give you, idk much else wrt commodities

Mandark · « **Reply #1597 on:** May 05, 2020, 10:22:06 PM »

Briahna Gray was on Twitter defending that discussion.

Tripon · « **Reply #1598 on:** May 05, 2020, 10:38:52 PM »

So is the takeaway that Progressives can compromise, or is that compromise is bad when it's the wrong people compromising?

Mandark · « **Reply #1599 on:** May 05, 2020, 10:41:42 PM »

hell yeah I was worried nobody was going to step up and defend stoller

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1600 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:40:27 AM »

Quote

Not all Republicans are racist

You could call 90% of them racist and still satisfy the catch. Meanwhile Repubs have to eat the bigger pill, the only thing trickling down is you pissing yourself.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1601 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:42:16 AM »

tfw I let down my guard and now my ass is a china vassal

team filler · « **Reply #1602 on:** May 06, 2020, 11:16:22 AM »

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1603 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:38:07 PM »

Trostkyite

team filler · « **Reply #1604 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:42:35 PM »

benjipwns · « **Reply #1605 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:54:39 PM »

Is there a chart for tea drinkers? Or is that automatically like Juche or something.

team filler · « **Reply #1606 on:** May 06, 2020, 01:01:25 PM »

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1607 on:** May 06, 2020, 01:54:12 PM »

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1608 on:** May 07, 2020, 09:09:39 PM »

re: ted cruz’ admiration for gordon wood from a couple days back, ive been going through Creation of the American Republic and the denouement is a rare moment of lucidity from someone who usually paints a really nauseating starry-eyed narrative of america

Quote

By using the most popular and democratic rhetoric available to explain and justify their aristocratic system, the Federalists [viz. the supporters for the ratification of the Constitution in the late 1780s, not the supporters of the Washington and Adams administrations of the 1790s] helped to foreclose the development of an American intellectual tradition in which differing ideas of politics would be intimately and genuinely related to differing social interests. In other words, the Federalists in 1787 hastened the destruction of whatever chance there was in America for the growth of an avowedly aristocratic conception of politics and thereby contributed to the creation of that encompassing liberal tradition which has mitigated and often obscured the real social antagonisms of American politics. By attempting to confront and distinguished mentally-challenged fellow the thrust of the Revolution with the rhetoric of the Revolution the Federalists fixed the terms for the future discussion of American politics. They thus brought the ideology of the Revolution to consummation and created a distinctly American political theory but only at the cost of eventually impoverishing later American political thought.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1609 on:** May 07, 2020, 09:30:28 PM »

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1610 on:** May 07, 2020, 10:56:15 PM »

reminds me of the slatestarcodex utilitarian tradcath on reddit i check in on every time i need to put myself into an aneurysm coma

team filler · « **Reply #1611 on:** May 08, 2020, 12:29:07 PM »

team filler · « **Reply #1612 on:** May 08, 2020, 01:35:41 PM »

https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1258789902902321155

team filler · « **Reply #1613 on:** May 08, 2020, 09:10:43 PM »

czech good vibes thread

curly · « **Reply #1614 on:** May 08, 2020, 09:19:51 PM »

Reading Marx's writings that aren't Kapital or Manifesto is a good intermediate step (18th Brumaire, German Ideology, Gotha program, etc.)

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1615 on:** May 08, 2020, 09:26:35 PM »

where's that kara post about the intro to commy canon...

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1616 on:** May 09, 2020, 01:39:27 AM »

Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on May 08, 2020, 11:15:43 PM

Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting by in America - Bore favorite Barbara Ehrenreich's undercover survey of low wage work in America. Quite a famous book
The Act of Killing - Shocking documentary following an old man reminiscing on his role in the massacre of two million accused leftists in Indonesia
On the Clock: What Low-Wage Work Did to Me and How It Drives America Insane - 2019 version of Nickel and Dimed for our AI supervised Amazon hell
Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA - recommended by prolific GAF communist Chichikov and benji
Settlers: The Mythology of the White Proletariat - Kara told me to read this as a joke but I accidentally took it seriously and now I'm an extremist
Israel in the U.S. Empire - "short" essay from Monthly Review that I think everyone should read if they want to understand Israel's relationship with the United States
The Limits to Capital - This book by David Harvey is Marx remixed, reinterpreted, reapplied to contemporary (late 70s) conditions. Absolutely essential reading.

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/press-release-archive-2007/legacy-of-ashes.html

toku · « **Reply #1617 on:** May 10, 2020, 01:58:22 PM »

https://twitter.com/gavinmuellerphd/status/1259357388651577347

Tripon · « **Reply #1618 on:** May 10, 2020, 02:16:09 PM »

Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on May 10, 2020, 12:21:27 PM

https://twitter.com/profwolff/status/1259516547388841985

Big Dick Wolff puts out bangers like this every day but I just had to share this one

That skeptical of contact tracing?

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1619 on:** May 11, 2020, 04:30:45 PM »

Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on May 11, 2020, 03:32:33 PM

Heidegger

literally the only guy in the Canon^TM that i legit dislike. you get enough of the mickey mouse reception of him through osmosis to not have to read him too intensively. unless you just really wanna get into continental phenomenology

read The Question Concerning Technology (the rest of the essays included here look like they might be worth checking out, never read them myself) and the intro to Being and Time and see if you want to keep going

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...Europe lies in the pincers between Russia and America, which are metaphysically the same...

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Author Topic: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry. (Read 292271 times)