Retro Thread for old gamers

[Shuri]

Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are so incredibly hard, for fucks sake, I've been trying to beat them all week and it's been a constant massacre. Even back in the days they were considered hard, but I wasn't expecting such a challenge. I could finish Super Star Wars on a single life but those games? 

[Rman]

Anyone see this from the excellent MLIG channel? And this is just part one. It's professional documentary level.

[Svejk]

ROTJ can lick my balls with it's shitty opening sand speeder level.  Was the beginning of the end of good LucasFarts.

[Shuri]

Re: Dragon Force Saturn

I think I posted about having bought this game a few months ago, I played it for a while then it got sidetracked by other purchases  , I tried going back to it this weekend and Hmm. I can understand that's it was pretty neat for the time period, I can't help but feel that it's a bit simplistic and repetitive. I can't say I'm the best at the game but the gameplay is very rock/scissor/paper when it comes to strategies. Maybe I am missing something, but I think I was under the impression that the combat system was going to be deeper.

Is there a really point to the various formations? I feel like it's useful to dodge ranged attacks but..  I was a man of culture in those days and I was playing stuff like Heroes of Might and Magic 2 and 3, so it feels a bit.. Thin.

Presentation is great!  I'm also going to be returning to Dark Savior for the Sega Saturn. I bought this with DragonForce and from what I played, it was pretty interesting.

tiesto, thanks for the FF1 suggestion, I started it today and wow, I'm really impressed by how well it was made.

[tiesto]

I was a huge Landstalker fan, but the one-on-one combat in Dark Savior didn't quite work out for me. Some really unique design decisions in that game, basically how you play the opening chapter will take you to one of 5 different routes through the game. I really need to give that and Dragonforce a fair shake, since I wasn't really able to get into either game.

[demi]

only hardcore final fantasy fans play ff1 on old flip phones

https://m.imgur.com/a/7wDmzb9

[Svejk]

only hardcore final fantasy fans play ff1 on old flip phones

https://m.imgur.com/a/7wDmzb9

That was the way I played it my first time.  The ending dialogue/epilogue kinda kicked me in the feels part of my package.

[bork]

I was a huge Landstalker fan, but the one-on-one combat in Dark Savior didn't quite work out for me. Some really unique design decisions in that game, basically how you play the opening chapter will take you to one of 5 different routes through the game. I really need to give that and Dragonforce a fair shake, since I wasn't really able to get into either game.

Landstalker was the GOAT and none of Climax's games following it were as good, IMO.  Although I did not play through Ladystalker.

[Svejk]

I was a huge Landstalker fan, but the one-on-one combat in Dark Savior didn't quite work out for me. Some really unique design decisions in that game, basically how you play the opening chapter will take you to one of 5 different routes through the game. I really need to give that and Dragonforce a fair shake, since I wasn't really able to get into either game.

Landstalker was the GOAT and none of Climax's games following it were as good, IMO.  Although I did not play through Ladystalker.

Alundra was right up there though...

[bork]

I was a huge Landstalker fan, but the one-on-one combat in Dark Savior didn't quite work out for me. Some really unique design decisions in that game, basically how you play the opening chapter will take you to one of 5 different routes through the game. I really need to give that and Dragonforce a fair shake, since I wasn't really able to get into either game.

Landstalker was the GOAT and none of Climax's games following it were as good, IMO.  Although I did not play through Ladystalker.

Alundra was right up there though...

I need to give that another shot since there's a non-WD English version out there now.

[Svejk]

I was a huge Landstalker fan, but the one-on-one combat in Dark Savior didn't quite work out for me. Some really unique design decisions in that game, basically how you play the opening chapter will take you to one of 5 different routes through the game. I really need to give that and Dragonforce a fair shake, since I wasn't really able to get into either game.

Landstalker was the GOAT and none of Climax's games following it were as good, IMO.  Although I did not play through Ladystalker.

Alundra was right up there though...

I need to give that another shot since there's a non-WD English version out there now.

IIRC, that patch/mod allows for widescreen too. 

[bork]

I was a huge Landstalker fan, but the one-on-one combat in Dark Savior didn't quite work out for me. Some really unique design decisions in that game, basically how you play the opening chapter will take you to one of 5 different routes through the game. I really need to give that and Dragonforce a fair shake, since I wasn't really able to get into either game.

Landstalker was the GOAT and none of Climax's games following it were as good, IMO.  Although I did not play through Ladystalker.

Alundra was right up there though...

I need to give that another shot since there's a non-WD English version out there now.

IIRC, that patch/mod allows for widescreen too.

Last time I tried it (I think it was running the ISO on Retropie) it wouldn't play  :'(

[Svejk]

Last time I tried it (I think it was running the ISO on Retropie) it wouldn't play  :'(

Funny you mention that, when I tried it on the Wii U PS1 emu, I got all the way to the point you can use your sword again in the town... But the first patch of grass I cut anywhere instantly drops a rare item, and when I pick it up.... It crashes the game.    . I don't know if it's the emu or the iso or the patch.. too much tinkering for me to figure it out.

[bork]

https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/1230160744131563520
https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/1230205492712083456

[bork]

[bork]

Glad there's a PC version too, even if it is only the LE.  Gonna probably get that- Monkey Island is one of my favorite games of all time.

EDIT: This is also the Sega CD version.  A PC version is coming later. Hmm...

[Great Rumbler]

I actually have the Sega CD version.

[bork]

I actually have the Sega CD version.

It's OK, but the PC version was the best.

[Svejk]

I never knew there was a Sega CD version... My preteen years feel robbed.

[Joe Molotov]

Load times were terrible on the Sega CD version and it used a password save system that sometimes wouldn’t “remember” items you’d picked up. It’s a curiosity at best, not sure why they’re releasing it.

[Tuckers Law]

Missed opportunity to create and pack in a rubber chicken with a pulley in it.
 

[Occam]

Not sure why anyone who collects games would buy these reprints. While they are legal (because LRG obtains the rights to do them from the companies who currently own the rights), just like LRG's other reprints of old console games for GB, NES, SNES, N64 etc., they aren't actually licensed by the platform owners (Nintendo, Sega, etc.).
Meaning, unlike their games for current systems (PS4, Switch, PS Vita), these console re-releases aren't official. So for collecting purposes, they have little to no value. Even completionists who try to collect complete game libraries don't need them.

[bork]

Not sure why anyone who collects games would buy these reprints. While they are legal (because LRG obtains the rights to do them from the companies who currently own the rights), just like LRG's other reprints of old console games for GB, NES, SNES, N64 etc., they aren't actually licensed by the platform owners (Nintendo, Sega, etc.).
Meaning, unlike their games for current systems (PS4, Switch, PS Vita), these console re-releases aren't official. So for collecting purposes, they have little to no value. Even completionists who try to collect complete game libraries don't need them.

I'm interested because I love me some Monkey Island.  I see they're doing this for Rebel Assault on Sega CD too.  I assume the same would go for someone who is a fan of that game.  They already know the collectors are going to buy up most of their stock anyway.

Dunno if I'm going to get the Sega CD MI set anyway with them saying a PC re-release is coming later on.

[bork]

https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/1230543926848827396/
https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/1230567912512966657
https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/1230543926848827396

[Great Rumbler]

Wouldn't mind grabbing realMyst.

[bork]

Wouldn't mind grabbing realMyst.

What about the Nurse Love collection for Switch?

[Great Rumbler]

[porkbun]

Not sure why anyone who collects games would buy these reprints. While they are legal (because LRG obtains the rights to do them from the companies who currently own the rights), just like LRG's other reprints of old console games for GB, NES, SNES, N64 etc., they aren't actually licensed by the platform owners (Nintendo, Sega, etc.).
Meaning, unlike their games for current systems (PS4, Switch, PS Vita), these console re-releases aren't official. So for collecting purposes, they have little to no value. Even completionists who try to collect complete game libraries don't need them.

I'm interested because I love me some Monkey Island.  I see they're doing this for Rebel Assault on Sega CD too.  I assume the same would go for someone who is a fan of that game.  They already know the collectors are going to buy up most of their stock anyway.

Dunno if I'm going to get the Sega CD MI set anyway with them saying a PC re-release is coming later on.

I've tried replaying Rebel Assault on Sega CD recently and it's borderline unplayable now, as in it's damn near impossible to see where you need to move or shoot at.  I have no idea how I was able to 1CC it back in the day, especially since I was usually under the influence of heavy psychedelics.

[bork]

Not sure why anyone who collects games would buy these reprints. While they are legal (because LRG obtains the rights to do them from the companies who currently own the rights), just like LRG's other reprints of old console games for GB, NES, SNES, N64 etc., they aren't actually licensed by the platform owners (Nintendo, Sega, etc.).
Meaning, unlike their games for current systems (PS4, Switch, PS Vita), these console re-releases aren't official. So for collecting purposes, they have little to no value. Even completionists who try to collect complete game libraries don't need them.

I'm interested because I love me some Monkey Island.  I see they're doing this for Rebel Assault on Sega CD too.  I assume the same would go for someone who is a fan of that game.  They already know the collectors are going to buy up most of their stock anyway.

Dunno if I'm going to get the Sega CD MI set anyway with them saying a PC re-release is coming later on.

I've tried replaying Rebel Assault on Sega CD recently and it's borderline unplayable now, as in it's damn near impossible to see where you need to move or shoot at.  I have no idea how I was able to 1CC it back in the day, especially since I was usually under the influence of heavy psychedelics.

Impressive!

That's gotta be one of the worst, if not the worst version of the game, too. 

[porkbun]

Not sure why anyone who collects games would buy these reprints. While they are legal (because LRG obtains the rights to do them from the companies who currently own the rights), just like LRG's other reprints of old console games for GB, NES, SNES, N64 etc., they aren't actually licensed by the platform owners (Nintendo, Sega, etc.).
Meaning, unlike their games for current systems (PS4, Switch, PS Vita), these console re-releases aren't official. So for collecting purposes, they have little to no value. Even completionists who try to collect complete game libraries don't need them.

I'm interested because I love me some Monkey Island.  I see they're doing this for Rebel Assault on Sega CD too.  I assume the same would go for someone who is a fan of that game.  They already know the collectors are going to buy up most of their stock anyway.

Dunno if I'm going to get the Sega CD MI set anyway with them saying a PC re-release is coming later on.

I've tried replaying Rebel Assault on Sega CD recently and it's borderline unplayable now, as in it's damn near impossible to see where you need to move or shoot at.  I have no idea how I was able to 1CC it back in the day, especially since I was usually under the influence of heavy psychedelics.

Impressive!

That's gotta be one of the worst, if not the worst version of the game, too.

Shockingly a lot of Sega CD versions of games aren't that great now.  I've gotten the 25th anniversary remasters of some of the FMV games like Night Trap and Corpse Killer and I enjoy them, but going back to the original versions is terrible.  I have no idea how I was able to play those games back then.  Even shitty Hong Kong bootlegs on Video CD have better AV quality.

[Shuri]

Unfortunately yeah, Sega CD fmv stuff is aging terribly. 3DO fmv games are still perfectly fine.

[Great Rumbler]

If I remember right, the Sega CD's disc drive was incredibly slow [and it had a really limited color palette], so video sequences ended up being choppy and grainy.

[a slime appears]

Not sure why anyone who collects games would buy these reprints. While they are legal (because LRG obtains the rights to do them from the companies who currently own the rights), just like LRG's other reprints of old console games for GB, NES, SNES, N64 etc., they aren't actually licensed by the platform owners (Nintendo, Sega, etc.).
Meaning, unlike their games for current systems (PS4, Switch, PS Vita), these console re-releases aren't official. So for collecting purposes, they have little to no value. Even completionists who try to collect complete game libraries don't need them.

Or maybe people just like buying old games so they can play them on original hardware?

Fuck collectors who buy games just because "they're valuable." That mentality is driving game prices out the ass and ruining the market.

[demi]

Nothing beats an original (tm)

[Great Rumbler]

Not sure why anyone who collects games would buy these reprints. While they are legal (because LRG obtains the rights to do them from the companies who currently own the rights), just like LRG's other reprints of old console games for GB, NES, SNES, N64 etc., they aren't actually licensed by the platform owners (Nintendo, Sega, etc.).
Meaning, unlike their games for current systems (PS4, Switch, PS Vita), these console re-releases aren't official. So for collecting purposes, they have little to no value. Even completionists who try to collect complete game libraries don't need them.

Or maybe people just like buying old games so they can play them on original hardware?

Fuck collectors who buy games just because "they're valuable." That mentality is driving game prices out the ass and ruining the market.

Drag 'em, king.

[Kunai With Chain]

Not sure why anyone who collects games would buy these reprints. While they are legal (because LRG obtains the rights to do them from the companies who currently own the rights), just like LRG's other reprints of old console games for GB, NES, SNES, N64 etc., they aren't actually licensed by the platform owners (Nintendo, Sega, etc.).
Meaning, unlike their games for current systems (PS4, Switch, PS Vita), these console re-releases aren't official. So for collecting purposes, they have little to no value. Even completionists who try to collect complete game libraries don't need them.

Or maybe people just like buying old games so they can play them on original hardware?

Fuck collectors who buy games just because "they're valuable." That mentality is driving game prices out the ass and ruining the market.

I get where you are coming from, but at that point why not just buy a replica or a multicart if you only want to play it on the original hardware?

[a slime appears]

Hey if that's what you want to do then awesome. No judgement, man. Enjoy retro however you want you fucking stud.

[a slime appears]

Speaking of which this is incredible:




God bless Sega and the Saturn.

[Chooky]

Sega CD was worse and more pointless than the 32X

noooooo no fucking way. Sega cd had a fair amount of genuinely great games, some of which are still ported today. 32x had like 30 games and the best of those were ports. all the original games fucking sucked. SUCKED

[Great Rumbler]

Speaking of which this is incredible:




God bless Sega and the Saturn.

This needs to hurry up and get released.

[Svejk]

Only thing that's allowed to straddle a Genesis, is a Master System Power base Converter.

[Svejk]

The Genesis only had so many holes for such a train.  Tower of Power fo life.

[Occam]

Not sure why anyone who collects games would buy these reprints. While they are legal (because LRG obtains the rights to do them from the companies who currently own the rights), just like LRG's other reprints of old console games for GB, NES, SNES, N64 etc., they aren't actually licensed by the platform owners (Nintendo, Sega, etc.).
Meaning, unlike their games for current systems (PS4, Switch, PS Vita), these console re-releases aren't official. So for collecting purposes, they have little to no value. Even completionists who try to collect complete game libraries don't need them.

Or maybe people just like buying old games so they can play them on original hardware?

Fuck collectors who buy games just because "they're valuable." That mentality is driving game prices out the ass and ruining the market.

I get where you are coming from, but at that point why not just buy a replica or a multicart if you only want to play it on the original hardware?

Exactly, or in this case, burn a CD.
Limited Run Games is producing these, erm, let's call them "reprints" to sell  to collectors who aren't exactly thinking things through. They are about as valuable as a reprint of Action Comics #1. They are not collector's items. So the people they are aimed at really should not be buying them at all.

[Chooky]

32X also sucked. At least with the 32X you could put Genesis games into it.






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  this hunk of shit

i still got mine. i'll never hook it up again (three ac adapters wtf) but at this point it's staying with me til i die. long live my legacy of bad choices

[tiesto]

Sega CD was worse and more pointless than the 32X

Fuck no - Snatcher, the superior version of Lunar, Shining Force CD, Robo Aleste, Popful Mail, Android Assault, Soulstar, Keio Flying Squadron, Space Adventure Cobra, and to a lesser extent, Vay and Dark Wizard beg to differ. 32x was a garbage fire, I reckon Tempo is the only decent original game.

[Great Rumbler]

[Great Rumbler]

[Shuri]

I know several collectors IRL who have complet sealed sets of those LRG games.  They just have them on shelves, never to be opened. When I see them for sales on the aftermarket, the great majority of them are still sealed.

They’re just commodities being used as future flip fodder to fund purchases of godawful cib nes/snes/n64 rareties.

80% of LRG releases are total trash too.

I’m just glad those idiots are wasting their funds on lrg/switch shit while leaving neo-geo/arcade/saturn/pc engine stuff to me.




 

[Occam]

I don't mind LRG's modern releases. But buying unlicensed reprints of old games for "collecting" is a bridge too far for me.

[tiesto]

I'll only buy a limited run if it's a game I really wanna play... i.e. Cosmic Star Heroine or Darius Burst. No interest in having sealed games sitting on my shelf.

[Shuri]

am I the only person to have enjoyed Road Avenger? I even got the Sega Saturn remaster.

Another game I bought last year, the amazing Night Striker S, for the Sega Saturn.


The soundtrack is fucking awesome, the gameplay is fun (if a bit easy? I recommend cracking up the difficulty level).

[Chooky]

fmv games were garbage, but road avenger and time gal were the exceptions

[bork]

I'll only buy a limited run if it's a game I really wanna play... i.e. Cosmic Star Heroine or Darius Burst. No interest in having sealed games sitting on my shelf.

I collect, but generally only to have physical copies of games I have played or want to play.  For me the main reason most of them stay sealed is because I already have a digital copy, lol- a lot of those titles get physical releases a while after the digital versions.

The one game I can think of that seems to have only come out as a limited physical production run release is Ultracore (the game included with the Mega SG).  Unless I've missed something, it's not on any digital storefronts.

[demi]

I am playing the first "Glory of Heracles" game on NES (Heracles no Eikou) and it's pretty funny how this game works (precursor to Dead Rising / BoF Dragon Quarter system?).

- No Battery Saves. Only Password (save states baby)
- The password doesn't actually save your "progress" but instead carries over your current level and items.
- Make progress, but decide to stop and write your password? All of your progress is gone! Go kill those bosses again
- The goal of the game is the do the 12 heroic labors of Hercules
- The game is open-ended (you can literally go anywhere you want - unless you don't have X item). Of course, some areas and dungeons have stronger enemies than others.
- The game is very "hint" specific so you need to talk to anyone and write down everything they say.
- The game has a durability system!
- You can actually sell "key items" and if you do, you have to do the quest again to get it back.

[porkbun]

I bought a 32X at launch.  I was going to college in a tiny town in Iowa and had to bum a ride to the "big city" of Cedar Rapids to pay $190 to get it.

 

I liked the FMV games back in the day.  I got the PS4 remasters of Night Trap, Corpse Killer, and Double Switch and had fun with them, especially Corpse Killer.  The video quality on Sega CD stuff is garbage now, and that is from someone that has watched hundreds of movies on Video CD format.

[bork]

It was garbage video quality back then, too- but it was the cheapest way to play CD games so nobody really cared at the time.

[Svejk]

"Sega CD...  Have the game AND the soundtrack altogether.!.. (just don't play that first track on a conventional CD player)"
 

[demi]

I bought the PS4 versions of Night Trap and Double Switch, didn't get Corpse Killer though

[porkbun]

It was garbage video quality back then, too- but it was the cheapest way to play CD games so nobody really cared at the time.

I'm sure you're right.  I used to take what Joe Rogan (I know, PROBLEMATIC~!) calls a "heroic" amount of mushrooms and that 320 x 280 video was fucking mind-blowing.  I also wasted a 5 day weekend with the Sega CD version of FIFA because the real chants in surround sound were revolutionary, or at least it sounded like it.

 

"Sega CD...  Have the game AND the soundtrack altogether.!.. (just don't play that first track on a conventional CD player)"
 

My Sega CD was my CD player.

 

I bought the PS4 versions of Night Trap and Double Switch, didn't get Corpse Killer though

It's still pretty fun despite not using an actual light gun.  They added some new zombies and levels.  Plus this fine lass in HD.



 

[Rman]

I did LRG once. I'm glad they exist, but I'm so in the digital workflow these days.  Changing disks or carts is just so archaic to me.  I also hate looking at shelves full of games. 

Hardback books, vinyl records, etc. All look way better media-wise.