Game of Thrones Season 8, we can finally stop waiting on GURM

[Tripon]

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Believing that Martin is going to write 2 books before he's dead. 

[bluemax]

Let's pour one out for the following book plot lines/characters that we know will go nowhere:

Fake Aegon and John Connington
Penny the Dwarf
Victarion Greyjoy
Harry the Heir
Jeyne Poole
The Iron Bank
The Magic Horns
Warging
Aurane Waters (although I guess TV Show Euron was really this guy)
DARK STAR
Arianne Martell

[Bebpo]

Haven’t watched the show since s4 ended and they diverged, but followed the reactions and general plot points out of curiosity. The thing is to me GoT/SOIAF was always going to be a journey is the main dish not the ending. Even midway through the books you could tell for all the grey area complex character arcs and mysteries the ending was probably just gonna be generic fantasy tidy up.

That’s why I’m fine with the books never finishing and just want book 6 to come out. Because the enjoyment’s from the journey of the characters, the twists & turns along the way.

Also reading everyone’s reaction to this, man in another dimension where Sony didn’t fuck up The Dark Tower and made a successful GoT like series out of it, people would be so pissed with the ending in that one after the long journey.

[Bebpo]

Let's pour one out for the following book plot lines/characters that we know will go nowhere:

Fake Aegon and John Connington
Penny the Dwarf
Victarion Greyjoy
Harry the Heir
Jeyne Poole
The Iron Bank
The Magic Horns
Warging
Aurane Waters (although I guess TV Show Euron was really this guy)
DARK STAR
Arianne Martell

Did the show ever do anything with flashback Prince Rhaegar? Considering his “mystery” seems to keep coming up in the books like it’s a big deal and he’s the key to everything. Was it just that he fathered Jon Snow or something?

You’re also missing Stoneheart on that list.

[BisMarckie]

Long live Grey Worm and his global people's war. #JDPON (Image removed from quote.)

Since the world of GoT was built by a dude who read the wikipedia entry on the Holy Roman Empire once.Grey Worm and his band of virgins is just like the Archbishops in the Empire who tried to consolidate their power.
They will just die without heirs and just waste everybody's time. Celibacy is a bitch.

[Kara]

It's clearly the Rzeczpospolita and Westeros is going to be wracked by functioning anarchy for centuries.

Meanwhile Grey Worm is going to do his best Taras Bulba impression.

[BisMarckie]

Nie pozwalam

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https://twitter.com/BrandyLJensen/status/1130300912658997254

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https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1130291381208002561

[BisMarckie]

Westeros turning into an elective monarchy is just a disaster waiting to happen.
All it takes is one strong man to not recognize the imperial diet or some of the electorate going rogue.
Gendry, Anti-King of Westeros.

[Kara]

Nie pozwalam

[BIONIC]

My only true disappointment is that fat fuck and his dumb inbred wife weren’t horribly and brutally mutilated on screen.

[Momo]

:PJSalt

[Raist]

 

What a shitshow. Literally.

Real question, how can Tyrion be Lord of Casterly Rock and Hand of the King simultaneously?

You mean, like Tywin was? Several times? Or Jon Arryn?
The job of Hand () doesn't supersede lordships.

TFW none of the big mysteries that George RR Martin spent thousands of pages building up amount to a single important plot point.

[Potato]

Pretty poor ending, but not as bad as I expected.

Glad it's over. Hope he does a better job with the books...if they ever come out.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1130345025521557505

[jorma]

Man that was a good 8 seasons, one of the all time greats for sure.

And the ending... it was a bit boring i guess but everyone who needed a resolution to their storyline got it afair.

I'm content. 

[Svejk]

With that petition as high as it is, you think D&D will be let go of Star Wars? 

[CatsCatsCats]

One can only hope

[Brehvolution]

Seinfeld has a worse ending than this.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

So highly emotional, trigger happy Grey Worm entered the throne room, learned Dany is dead and Jon killed her..... and just arrested him???¿¿¿

And then he and the unsullied, who were deeply devoted to Dany and followed her across the world to fight for her vision.... just let the native Westerosi choose a king and fucked off and left?

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Like, they spent the last two episodes clearly demonstrating that all enemies of the queen are to be summarily executed... and then someone KILLS their queen and he's all like "Woah Woah guys take this man to jail. we must observe due process!"

[Flannel Boy]

Seinfeld has a worse ending than this.

I’ll take your word for it. I have only watched the finale once, and over twenty years ago.
 
Sitcom. It didn’t retroactively make the show largely pointless and less enjoyable.

[Kara]

Like, they spent the last two episodes clearly demonstrating that all enemies of the queen are to be summarily executed... and then someone KILLS their queen and he's all like "Woah Woah guys take this man to jail. we must observe due process!"

Power dynamics influence the calculus behind morally questionable actions, who knew?

[agrajag]

Seinfeld has a worse ending than this.

Seinfeld didn't even need an "ending." It was an episodic sit com. It could just abruptly stop and still be great.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Like, they spent the last two episodes clearly demonstrating that all enemies of the queen are to be summarily executed... and then someone KILLS their queen and he's all like "Woah Woah guys take this man to jail. we must observe due process!"

Power dynamics influence the calculus behind morally questionable actions, who knew?

Hard to imagine a 180 degree pivot from mass murder to deep respect for the rule of law in the immediate moment of their figure heads death, but ok.

[Tasty]

As a northeasterner/New Englander who's always sympathized with the North and the Starks because of it, I've fully come around to supporting the finale on the basis of the North's independence and Sansa's crowning alone.

[Kara]

Like, they spent the last two episodes clearly demonstrating that all enemies of the queen are to be summarily executed... and then someone KILLS their queen and he's all like "Woah Woah guys take this man to jail. we must observe due process!"

Power dynamics influence the calculus behind morally questionable actions, who knew?

Hard to imagine a 180 degree pivot from mass murder to deep respect for the rule of law in the immediate moment of their figure heads death, but ok.

Hard to imagine that they'd leap at the chance to start a fight with their erstwhile allies while garrisoned amongst them, especially without their combat air support.

[Himu]

My only true disappointment is that fat fuck and his dumb inbred wife weren’t horribly and brutally mutilated on screen.

Who?

[agrajag]

that's not hard to imagine at all

[BisMarckie]

As a northeasterner/New Englander who's always sympathized with the North and the Starks because of it, I've fully come around to supporting the finale on the basis of the North's independence and Sansa's crowning alone.

Nothing says free and wild north quite like New England. 

[Kara]

My only true disappointment is that fat fuck and his dumb inbred wife weren’t horribly and brutally mutilated on screen.

Who?

Sam

[Himu]

that's not hard to imagine at all

Oh, Sam. Yeah.

He’s a maester at the capital while Gilly his kids are at his land right? So he’s given up his title as lord?

[Joe Molotov]

the politics in mah dragon show aren't believable!

[BisMarckie]

the politics in mah dragon show aren't believable!

Just like Star Wars, that‘s what a prequel is for.

An entire episode with the elected king fighting with his prince-electors about the minutiae of an election agreement.

[Tasty]

No lie I wonder if the burning of KL is either at: the end of WoW, the start of ADoS, or the middle of ADoS. Because I don't see GRRM dropping something huge like that and then *not* spending a bunch of chapters cleaning it up.

Which means the pieces will be in the same places (maybe, who knows), but how they get there should make a lot more sense.

If the books ever come out.

[Mr Gilhaney]

sounds like you nerds got rekt, judging from my twitter feed

[Kara]

As a northeasterner/New Englander who's always sympathized with the North and the Starks because of it, I've fully come around to supporting the finale on the basis of the North's independence and Sansa's crowning alone.

Nothing says free and wild north quite like New England. 

[BisMarckie]

The North having the same family on the Iron throne and in Winterfell is actually a ploy by the Starks to reunite the seven kingdoms under their flag.

I have read a book abut the middle ages once, AMA.

[BisMarckie]

As a northeasterner/New Englander who's always sympathized with the North and the Starks because of it, I've fully come around to supporting the finale on the basis of the North's independence and Sansa's crowning alone.

Nothing says free and wild north quite like New England. 

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That image is inaccurate, everything should be Serbia.

[Kara]

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That image is inaccurate, everything should be Serbia.

Sunspearja do Crna Tvrđava, al' preko Qarthja.

[thisismyusername]

OK my collected thoughts:

- I got a laugh out of how they basically had Daeny repeat all of the things she'd said over 7 seasons that were clear warnings that she was willing to go scorched earth.   I know the episode was created and edited ages ago but it was almost like a direct response to the last ep backlash lol
- I loved all of the imagery of crazy Daeny.. shit was just creepy as hell, the dragon behind her with the wings and all that.   
- People are whining about Jon being allowed to have a sword when visiting Daeny but him giving it up when he visits Tyrion but ehh... they made a point to show that Drogon was guarding Daeny not the Unsullied, and he let him pass. 
- Drogon melting the iron throne was kind of corny but also made for a cool scene;  I guess he kind of agreed with Jon then?
-  The very end was kind of messy... I agree John not being executed is kind of far fetched, and really so is Tyrion being left alive but whatever..
-  The scene where they pick Bran was corny as hell but I got a bit of a kick out of it.. very Lord of the Rings-y or something.
- I dug the very very end showing the path all of the Starks are taking.

That's about it;  I enjoyed it.. found it slightly boring.. but that probably had something to do with shitbird shosta spoiling the ending for me a few hours before I watched it.

...I thought you were leaving...?

[Tasty]

As a northeasterner/New Englander who's always sympathized with the North and the Starks because of it, I've fully come around to supporting the finale on the basis of the North's independence and Sansa's crowning alone.

Nothing says free and wild north quite like New England. 

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Serbia (?)

[Kara]

[agrajag]

lol you didn't find all the fascist-y Dany imagery a bit on the nose?

Also, I may hate myself enough to rewatch it, but it felt like Tyrion was recapping all the fan criticisms in his speech about how he believed in Dany. 

[Tasty]

"Whoever has the best story should be on the Iron Throne."

Literally half the characters: "Uhhh"

Arya: "UHHHHH"

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Jon Snow: (in the dungeon): "UHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

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[Himu]

"Whoever has the best story should be on the Iron Throne."

Literally half the characters: "Uhhh"

Arya: "UHHHHH"

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Jon Snow: (in the dungeon): "UHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

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That was indeed a poor reasoning.

[Himu]

lol you didn't find all the fascist-y Dany imagery a bit on the nose?

Also, I may hate myself enough to rewatch it, but it felt like Tyrion was recapping all the fan criticisms in his speech about how he believed in Dany. 

The dragon shot where it looks like she has wings was perfect though. So don't knock the imagery.

[agrajag]

I'm gonna knock it as much as I want

[agrajag]

it looked cool, but once again I can't help but think of Anakin Skywalker with the sudden dark theme

[Himu]

Sansa had the best arc and the Starks won the game of thrones.

[Kara]

Also, I may hate myself enough to rewatch it, but it felt like Tyrion was recapping all the fan criticisms in his speech about how he believed in Dany. 

Yeah it definitely felt like a forums fight.

[Himu]

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bqqcw9/spoilers_main_jon_snow_is_azor_ahai_and_the/

[agrajag]

I appreciate the amount of lulz season 8 has given us

[Tasty]

I can't get over the "best story" thing right now. I know it was probably an intentional swerve to maybe imply Tyrion was still setting up Jon, but I mean... is *nobody* in that assembly going to mention the guy who came back from the dead and was a secret Targaryen the whole time, whose origins triggered Robert's Rebellion and had to be kept secret for twenty years... Nobody's going to bring any of that up? No?

Cause that's a great novel all on its own. Bran's story on its own would end up in the Young Adult section.

Instead it's Bran (who, to be fair, is one of my favorite characters and has been from the start) who went North of the wall, got memories from a tree dude, and then did literally nothing else the entire season except give updates on the White Walker's location... then come the big battle the most he does it get bitchslapped out of raven-warging by the NK and then sit around some more.

[Tasty]

I read Tyrion's framing of that specific line as they need a ruler whose story is so good it unites the 7 (well 6) kingdoms.

He later brings up the three-eyed raven stuff to back up Bran's ability to rule, but not why people should unite behind him.

[agrajag]

I would like to hear the Era "time travel is like slavery" guy's musings on Bran.

 

[Himu]

The fact they don't even bring up Jon was what was odd. But at that point, there was no way he would be king. Not with the Unsullied or Dothraki. That would spark another war and they're tired of killing. "Your thousands against my thousand. We all know where it ends."

This season needed four more episodes.

- Another episode for the build up to Long Night.
- Another episode for building up Dany's heel turn
- Split the finale in half. The first thirty or so minutes of the finale are perfect. But the devastation of KL isn't long lasting because it cuts to the future. You don't see any of the survivors. You don't see Jon mull over his decision to finally kill Dany. It feels so fast. And then despite being one of the biggest moments in this show so far, the destruction of KL feels utterly glossed over and forgotten by episode end. Have one episode for the aftermath and devastation and another for a proper epilogue.

But nah. Gotta work on Star War. Fuck D&D.

[jorma]

I can't get over the "best story" thing right now. I know it was probably an intentional swerve to maybe imply Tyrion was still setting up Jon, but I mean... is *nobody* in that assembly going to mention the guy who came back from the dead and was a secret Targaryen the whole time, whose origins triggered Robert's Rebellion and had to be kept secret for twenty years... Nobody's going to bring any of that up? No?

Cause that's a great novel all on its own. Bran's story on its own would end up in the Young Adult section.

Instead it's Bran (who, to be fair, is one of my favorite characters and has been from the start) who went North of the wall, got memories from a tree dude, and then did literally nothing else the entire season except give updates on the White Walker's location... then come the big battle the most he does it get bitchslapped out of raven-warging by the NK and then sit around some more.

because naming jon king also means war with the unsullied.
also, he was a queenslayer which we know from jamies storyarc is kind of a big deal in westeros

Since Jon disqualified himself by killing Dany and there were no other strong rulers everyone could abide, they needed a weak one. Makes sense to me.

[agrajag]

Tasty is spot on. The entire time of the White Council, I was waiting for someone to bring up Jon's lineage. At least bring it up. Nope. Nothin'