River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[shosta]

Yeah, if leftists want to be taken seriously they should really get around to criticising this sort of utopian thinking and take a look at how social change historically occurs.

If only there was a leftist who took a look at how social change historically occurs

[railGUN]

 

[Kara]

I do it for the love of the game.

[Boredfrom]

Every time, RE, every time you fall for this:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-uses-white-power-signal-while-saying-aoc.130843/

You idiots...

[benjipwns]

User Warned: Ableist Meme

[benjipwns]

https://mobile.twitter.com/machineiv/status/1152106350215745536

nobody will pay you for this because it's such a trope that i saw trans people making fun of this on twitter like five years ago and i'm sure i was late to the "party"

[benjipwns]

Oh wait, it's funny when a director of Guardians of the Galaxy does it.  I forgot.

THOR: RAGNAROK ffs

wtf are there no mods here?

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/BenjiSales/status/1153378316293947392

Benji, is it true that ree made you depressed?

[agrajag]

well they do coordinate attacks on his YouTube videos

[benjipwns]

I think it was mostly benji who mentioned wanting it back but I think a lot of people secretly hate-use it, probably including actual era mods

since they changed it to have to have an account to see post histories the ban bot site is more essential than it used to be as just a greatest hits site, it was horrifying having to actually go to ResetERA.com and not just check the "locked threads/red text" feeds

like that steamer cat abuse thread, would have never looked at it, but like 50 people were banned in it (after the mods locked it, then unlocked it in "hopes discussion could occur") and when there's like three of those threads at a time you can pretty much tell when you see someone banned what it was for

my post about it recently was mostly about tweaking banbot for it not being up when kiwifarms was NOW AT THE CENTER OF THE INTERNET but then it came back up like an hour later or something, another example of benji getting results obviously

[BIONIC]

One of their former mods was a mole, but he got permabanned and now we’re stuck with him.

BAN SHONDA AND KILL THEM!!

[benjipwns]

If y'all want to provide wholesome entertainment, why doesn't somebody over there post a thread about Klepek posting tons of racist photos + tons of secret photos of women's asses/breasts + tons of "jokes" about raping women on his Flickr when he used to be a trash frat bro.

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[Boredfrom]

Patrick is protected user. I think he and Jason are the only journos still treating RE like some sort of not insane place.

[VomKriege]

like that steamer cat abuse thread, would have never looked at it, but like 50 people were banned in it (after the mods locked it, then unlocked it in "hopes discussion could occur")

Didn't think the thread would amount to much, guess I was wrong. Which way did the bans slant ? Animal abuse ? Insulting the female streamer ?

[Kara]

FBI: most domestic terrorism is motivated by white supremacy

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/fbi-most-domestic-terrorism-is-motivated-by-white-supremacy.1494340/post-254938771

Another thought: we know that Pantifa is mostly white. We also know that they're domestic terrorists whose activity is on the rise. Are they being lumped in with white supremacy?

 

[benjipwns]

defending/downplaying animal abuse, the mods locked it after 52 posts, then unlocked it:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/partnered-twitch-streamer-alinity-chucks-cat-over-her-head-mid-apex-match-also-spits-vodka-into-her-cats-mouth.129982/post-22901119

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After further consideration, we're going to reopen the thread and give it a chance to produce good discussion. Please stay focused on the videos (stay on topic) and animal welfare.

Take care to avoid posting controversial sources, particularly from social media. Even those that are not banned outright tend to lead to distraction and derailment.

they made no bans until after that post

[Joe Molotov]

Did it produce good discussion?

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/miss-michigan-stripped-of-title-over-racist-tweets.130675/post-22995150

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That woman is gorgeous.

[benjipwns]

No.

My ideal society is basically Khrushchev-era USSR without the tanks/military oppression of other nations, and using modern IT (admittedly made possible by capitalism) to assist with planning of the economy. I don't hate capitalism, I understand that it has contributed to global prosperity. But its time is over, socialism is the future.

[benjipwns]

Capitalism is a scourge on this planet.

[benjipwns]

Argue in good faith against capitalism rather than straw men.

[railGUN]

User Warned: Inappropriate Commentary

She's ugly physically too.

So what's appropriate? She's a completely average 5/10?

[benjipwns]

Yeah, if leftists want to be taken seriously they should really get around to criticising this sort of utopian thinking and take a look at how social change historically occurs.

It's not so much about weighing "good" or "bad" in subjective terms but understanding the nature of the system, of understanding even the nature of systems themselves.

It's hard to imagine because you literally have no means of constructing an idea of an anti-capitalist worldview in its totality. No one does, I would argue. Marxism, as sphagnum pointed out in the Socialist OT, is scientific socialism. It's a scientific approach to theorize and understand the forces of capitalism and its historical effects in order to make praxis in dealing with those effects. As capitalism was an antithesis to Feudalism's thesis, so is Marxism an antithesis to Capitalism's thesis. To imagine the inverse of Capital and its effects is to 'imagine' a quantam reality, and then trying to go from there. You cant do it, at least not scientifically. You have to take steps, sure, and we have seen what an attempted top-down implementation of ideology can do (see Stalinism), but trying to imagine yourself outside of Capital in approaching how to deal with it is always a losing bet.

Maybe the other socialists here would disagree with me, but that's how I see it.

I can't imagine the amount of knowledge I would need to acquire to be able to say "I think we should shift away from a 'capitalist' system to 'xyz.' " But I do feel a little more comfortable forming opinions about individual elements of our economic system, such as the fact that businesses are beholden to investors, exacerbating an existing tendency towards unethical behavior.

I went to the dollar store with my wife today and felt an overwhelming sense of shame that a system exists where we puke out garbage products half way around the world only to have them used once (or never at all) before they’re thrown away or broken because they’re pieces of shit. And on the drive out a homeless dude was begging for money in the centre median as an old guy in a Porsche drank a Fiji Water at the light.

I hope we figure out something better because shit is so fucked.

good talk

[railGUN]

Do the crips and bloods have a political reason for their actions?

Their presence brings destabilization of neighborhoods. No stable neighborhoods = no law enforcement or working government. No law enforcement = defacto anarchy.

They also engage in drug trafficking. Drug trafficking is also implied to be anti-law enforcement.

[Boredfrom]

 So did they give any money to that homeless guy?

[VomKriege]

https://mobile.twitter.com/machineiv/status/1152106350215745536

nobody will pay you for this because it's such a trope that i saw trans people making fun of this on twitter like five years ago and i'm sure i was late to the "party"

Gender dysphoria ---------------------------------->
Moon rocks geo-bombing --------------------->
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  "Wow cool Gundam !"

[agrajag]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/miss-michigan-stripped-of-title-over-racist-tweets.130675/post-22995150

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That woman is gorgeous.

she was a competitor... in a beauty pageant!

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-is-space-jam-forever-tainted-now.130814/

Nah it was always shite.

[VomKriege]

I mean Bugs is canonically a racist.

[benjipwns]

the real reason it's tainted is because of who the MonStars select

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-uses-white-power-signal-while-saying-aoc.130843/post-23016601

This situation is most likely a coincidence as Trump has been using the OK symbol in public for a long time. As there are plenty of other more substantive criticisms of Trump, this thread is closed.


 

We see you mods.

[VomKriege]

the real reason it's tainted is because of who the MonStars select

You take that back, Patrick is an angel. 

[benjipwns]

1994-95 (when the movie takes place)
Barkley: 5.1 VORP, +6.4 BPM, 25.2 PER, .214 WS/48
Ewing: 3.1 VORP, +2.2 BPM, 21.9 PER, .157 WS/48
Johnson: 4.0 VORP, +2.9 BPM, 17.1 PER, .126 WS/48 (has back surgery this offseason IIRC)
Bogues: 1.5 VORP, +0.2 BPM, 16.9 PER, .157 WS/48
Bradley: 1.1 VORP, -0.2 BPM, 14.8 PER, .071 WS/48

you think we need Jordan to take that down? why not just send Robinson-Olajuwon-Pippen-Drexler-Stockton-Murray?
Robinson: 8.1 VORP, +8.4 BPM, 29.1 PER, .273 WS/48
Olajuwon: 5.3 VORP, +5.3 BPM, 26.0 PER, .181 WS/48
Pippen: 7.4 VORP, +7.8 BPM, 22.6 PER, .188 WS/48
Drexler: 5.9 VORP, +6.5 BPM, 22.4 PER,  .206 WS/48
Stockton: 5.4 VORP, +5.5 BPM, 23.3 PER, .233 WS/48

[Kara]

116 pages of 40 year old men LARPing as clowns and posting boomer memes: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/clown-world-thread-%F0%9F%A4%A1%F0%9F%8C%8E-p%C9%90%C7%9D%C9%B9%C9%A5%E2%8A%A5-p%D7%9F%C9%B9om-u%CA%8Do%D7%9F%CF%BD.1480459/page-116

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Great forum Lore!

That thread is super cursed. Do not recommend reading unless you're doing some Marx ethnographic work for Bismark to critique in 20 years.

[benjipwns]

It was already tainted by being a bad movie.

Oh my gosh, I thought I was alone in this world

[benjipwns]

I was actually trying to explain Space Jam to my younger cousin today and I don't know how to do it. I don't even think I know whether or not it's a good or bad movie. It's just Space Jam.

More on topic, does R. Kelly get royalties from this movie's NetFlix earnings? I don't think that listening to R. Kelly will turn you into a pedophile or anything, but if you're financing him, that's a legitimate reason to avoid it or just dust off your VHS player.

[Momo]

However corruption and greed causes socialism to collapse completely into failure, while greed is literally built into capitalism and so is more resistant to corruption, especially since in a socialist political system the people who have the power to regulate corruption are the same people who benefit from the corruption, while in a capitalist system they are at least one step away from control of the economy.

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[OnlyRegret]

Ideally it is true
But capitalism doesn't scale well from Wealth of Nations and multinational conglomerates sort of breaks it

[benjipwns]

that thread is actually debating whether this is a joke or not:

Part of me wonders if this is Wayne mocking the excessive product placement of the time.. but I doubt that.

yah, probably against the script too but he refused to not do it so they had to put it in the movie

[benjipwns]

that FF post was pretty good, gonna submit it to Quillette under shosta's name

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-critique-of-red-letter-media%E2%80%99s-bigoted-content-see-staff-post.129228/post-22966230

I figured I'd post my personal experience with RLM content here. I've never talked about it before, but I used to love the Harry S. Plinkett reviews. Like, a lot. I guess it's going to read kind of bloggy. Sorry about that. It's probably not that interesting.


I was in my mid-to-late teens when the original Plinkett reviews of the prequel trilogy came out. They were unlike anything else on the internet at the time and I thought they were truly sensational. I came across the Phantom Menace review shortly after its first release and was part of the crowd that clamored for them to "do the other movies" in between each review. I rewatched them pretty regularly. Every time I met someone who liked Star Wars but hadn't seen them we would make an evening out of watching them. I've seen the Plinkett prequel reviews more times each than I have seen any of the actual Star Wars films. Although I am part of the group that have "revisited the prequels" with some positivity my experience with them is still very largely defined by the RLM Plinkett videos.

As the Plinkett series went on and started to have an actual narrative behind the reviews I thought it was amazing experimental film-making and a seminal internet experience. I watched the Baby's Day Out and the Avatar reviews like once a month. I thought they were really funny, but more importantly, I found them extremely validating. Having a multi-hour analysis dedicated to something you largely agree with was a thrilling self-indulgent exercise. I didn't love these videos just because I thought they were funny and unique. I loved them because I thought they were right. I agreed with them. They weren't just funny to me, they were validating.

I never really got in to the actual personalities behind the show. I never watched the "real" reviews like the Half in the Bag. I was only in it for the Plinkett stuff. In a weird way those Plinkett reviews are part of why I loved Star Wars. Even though they were exceedingly negative and comedic, relating to the brand over how much I hated parts of it was really cathartic. That negativity was how I expressed my enthusiasm. While I definitely do not hold those videos in the same reverence that I did as a teenager, they definitely got me started on approaching things critically and trying to explain why I liked (or didn't like) something instead of just treating my opinion like its own absolute. They are juvenile, but so was I, and they were a great place to start at my age.


What changed how I felt about all of it was the Plinkett review of The Force Awakens, which prompted a great deal of self-reflection on my part. I still very vividly remember what got me reflecting on things. It was from an AV Club article linking the review. I was able to find it.

For those not in the know, Harry S. Plinkett is a movie-reviewing character created by RLM’s Mike Stoklasa. The character is often described as ”psychotic” and simultaneously embodies the best and worst qualities of online film reviewers. He’s able to offer thoughtful insights into the inherent flaws of mass-marketed genre pictures, while still maintaining his image as a hateful pizza-roll eating slob— albeit a self-aware one. Plinkett’s reviews of the Star Wars prequels became wildly popular a few years back, so people have eagerly awaited his take on Force Awakens.
When I read this, I thought it was spot-on. Harry S. Plinkett was always a post-modern Comic Book Guy to me. The Comic Book Guy in The Simpsons was an obvious archetype for the super-nerd who felt they were the authority on everything they loved. They spoke about their interests with pretentious exactitude and the audience was never meant to relate to this parody archetype. Comic Book Guy was funny, familiar, and common, but he was not portrayed as right.

Harry S. Plinkett was interesting to me because it cranked up the intensity to an almost Troma-level absurdity but he was also often right. What made him so captivating wasn't just the character, it's that you were meant to find what he was saying interesting, insightful, and even correct. You were supposed to relate to his criticism and beliefs even though you laughed at his character. I loved Harry S. Plinkett because I agreed with him. He said what I felt. The satire element wasn't only that he was extreme and perverse - it's that he gave good criticism too.

This meant Harry S. Plinkett wasn't just a satirical construct, he was a reflection of the viewer. Of me, even, which I was perfectly fine with. I thought it was good to portray such intense fan criticism with a self-deprecating tilt. Like, maybe we're all super in to what we love and have a lot to say about it, but what makes us different from that guy? Besides bestiality and murder, of course.

Then I watched the new video.

I haven't rewatched it since, so my memory is fuzzy, but there were several instances I remember as really uncomfortable. I remember him referring to the Star Trek movies and dropping a trans slur. I remember a diversion where he says he is "triggered" by the use of the phrase "mumbo-jumbo" and then goes on a fake tirade about how racist it is. This stuff sucked but I put off my response until the end of the video. And then it ended with a diversity rant... a long diversity rant. And this was really hard for me to parse. Because Plinkett was supposed to be a gross old murderer who said and did suspect things but ultimately said things I agreed with. His criticism was the selling point of the series. But this wasn't Plinkett saying what I was thinking. This was Plinkett making fun of me. This wasn't me relating to the Plinkett character in a tongue-in-cheek way, this was the Plinkett character making me the enemy.

And that was tough.

I thought back to the AV Club description of the Plinkett character from before I watched the video:

The character is often described as ”psychotic” and simultaneously embodies the best and worst qualities of online film reviewers. He’s able to offer thoughtful insights into the inherent flaws of mass-marketed genre pictures, while still maintaining his image as a hateful pizza-roll eating slob— albeit a self-aware one.
After watching the Force Awakens review, I didn't think this was true anymore. Instead of being a subversive construct that peddled legitimate and insightful film criticism under the veneer of a cranked-up Comic Book Guy, he'd become something totally different. The Plinkett character was definitely a hateful slob, but he wasn't self-aware anymore. He was, unironically, the kind of character he was supposed to be parodying. I liked the Plinkett character because it took my grievances with fandom and Star Wars movies and it put them in to words. It made them funny and far-reaching and somewhat smart. But Plinkett wasn't legitimizing my armchair criticism of Star Wars movies anymore. Now he was legitimizing ideas that hurt me. That part wasn't about Star Wars. That part was about me.


I just stopped watching after that and left any interest I had in their stuff behind. I was never really in to the RLM brand itself. I'm not on a first name basis with anybody. I don't know who anybody is or what they actually believe. But I know that I used to be really in to some of their content and felt really let down and targeted by that inclusivity rant. It made me rethink the whole series of reviews, and the entire character, and I felt completely alienated by something I used to really like. There have always been people who hated the Plinkett reviews and thought they were damaging to Star Wars discourse. I never gave any credence to that and still don't. I don't think saying "Phantom Menace doesn't have a main character" is damaging to Star Wars discourse. I don't think the super-flawed "how many things can you say about this character?" sequence hurts anybody. You can disagree with the method or the meaning but it's not damaging, I don't think.

But ranting about inclusivity and downplaying the significance it has, especially on young people, does hurt the discourse. It does hurt people. Because, just like I used to, there are people who watch the Plinkett reviews and laugh their ass off and think "this guy gets it!" I feel like the review for The Force Awakens validates the wrong kind of people and the wrong kind of criticism. That comes at my expense.

People can take what they want from this sort of content and maybe they can more easily separate out what they agree with and what they don't. But I really hate when people respond to these criticisms with claims of satire. Satire is not a shield. It's not a magic word that means you can say whatever you want without scrutiny. The whole point of satire, the very crux of its use, is to impart a political message. Including this section as a bullet point in a long review of Star Wars and the state of the brand isn't satirizing anything. It's airing a grievance. There is no way to delegitimize this part of the critique because the review presents it as legitimate.

I think continuing the Plinkett character in 2016 was a mistake. Star Wars discourse was extremely different after The Force Awakens and a character like Plinkett ceases to be subversive in an era where racists and misogynists reign social media with transparent fervor. Plinkett does not embody "the best and worst" qualities of anything anymore. It's just the worst.

And that makes me think back on how much I used to enjoy the content and how many people I initiated in to the character. I still can't think of pizza rolls without thinking of Plinkett. I still sometimes say "if you want to tell jokes, go to the circus." I still sometimes say "you might not have noticed, but your brain did." Stuff from Plinkett content that has been hard-coded in to my brain from all the times I watched the videos and shared them with others.

I wonder: did I change or did the content change? Did the Plinkett character become different or simply more of what it always was?

Anyway, I've never watched anything else from the site and am not very familiar with any of their modern or non-character content. I don't have any personal grievance with the site or the content beyond condemning the above and being disappointed by something I used to really like. From what one of my friends told me, their contemporary content is still very largely based on validating the existing feelings of their audience. So it probably isn't for me.


That's my sad story about how I used to like some funny internet videos and now I don't. Much ado about nothing, I suppose. But nice to talk about at least once.

Edit: Fixed some early-morning typos.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/u-s-library-of-congress-anime-for-all-returns-for-2019.130856/#post-23017328

Very cool. The US could always use more exposure to anime and Japanese culture. There is no present day and past culture more interesting than that of the Japanese.

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-is-space-jam-forever-tainted-now.130814/post-23014486

Bimbos 

Himbos

Rabbimbos 

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Amibos 

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[clothedmacuser]

that thread is actually debating whether this is a joke or not:
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Part of me wonders if this is Wayne mocking the excessive product placement of the time.. but I doubt that.

yah, probably against the script too but he refused to not do it so they had to put it in the movie

Era couldn't recognize a joke if Fozzie Bear shoved it up their ass and said Waka-Waka.

[VomKriege]

that thread is actually debating whether this is a joke or not:
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Part of me wonders if this is Wayne mocking the excessive product placement of the time.. but I doubt that.

yah, probably against the script too but he refused to not do it so they had to put it in the movie

Yes, it was poking fun at all the things Michael Jordan had done commercials for.

 

[clothedmacuser]

that FF post was pretty good, gonna submit it to Quillette under shosta's name

He seems more upset by this than his past as Doorway-stander-groper

[VomKriege]

i mean, all those products also had Space Jam promotions at the time as well

there was Space Jam happy meals and toys, Space Jam Wheaties boxes, a Space Jam Hanes shirt, etc.

Wow, they really were committed to the joke ! 

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-is-space-jam-forever-tainted-now.130814/post-23012672

[remy]

what the fuck is wrong with millenials that space jam is this beloved thing

[benjipwns]

CPTSD

[BIONIC]

Space Jam is a masterpiece.

Eat a dick, haters

[Momo]

here's your chance to do your dance at the area 51 jam

[benjipwns]

 

[Momo]

furries come
bitches leave
furries leave
bitches come

[team filler]

[BIONIC]

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This woman is gorgeous.

[Momo]

still would 

[BIONIC]

still would 

I’d fuck just about anything with a hole in it at this point

[thetylerrob]

Lola bunny is pretty fuckable as far as cartoon characters go yeah. Wear a glove tho.

[BIONIC]

still would 

I’d fuck just about anything with a hole in it at this point

To clarify, they have to be within certain limits in terms of hips/cranium size, and IQ levels.

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[Ghoul]

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This woman is gorgeous.