River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[Transhuman]

Another industry peer asserts that, after a separate instance of harassment, Mignogna convinced her to briefly visit his hotel room. When she tried to leave, Mignogna forcibly embraced her and began caressing the backs of her thighs without consent, repeating, "'Let me be sweet to you' - over and over, at least five or six times."

While Mignogna acknowledges these events and others, he consistently argues that each of these encounters were consensual in nature

I definitely think someone capable of doing this would grab/touch teenage girls inappropriately.

[Momo]

“Molesting people is his schtick and some people ask for it”

Is that a good summary Momo?

this is exactly why I said it's a waste of time talking about it.

you've already make up your mind based on things you've heard without ever looking into it yourself, so why should i bother.

[Boredfrom]

I seriously doubt con owners are going to admit “ Vic was a creeper but we ignored him because he brings fans”.

Well the cons dropped him like hot shit, and even now that he's been unpersoned none of them have backed these claims. They're probably mostly just dropping him for PR, what if anything do they have to lose to back people who they are actually working with over an unpersoned leper? Maybe they just really have never heard of this shit.

Again, why are they going to back a claim that paints them as “we knew but we ignored it” unless forced to do it?

Well funimation went out of their way to do so and from the hollywood verse metoo people seemed to fall over each other to say 'we knew all along'. Anyway all of this is going to come out in the wash when Ron Toye is required to back his claims in court. This specific part we're arguing about is speculation.

The Weinstein Company is bankrupt and most hollywood stars are shit scare of #MeToo, including people that said the were victims. Brian Synger is MIA and Kevin Spacey is filming passive agressive YouTube videos.

[HaughtyFrank]

Is that Joe Biden in his younger days?

this is the future the hover-hands wanted

(Image removed from quote.)

[Transhuman]

I'm sorry Momo, riotous should know better than to shit on you, that's my shtique

[Transhuman]

I saw this Keanu Reeves movie once and it was pretty much the exact opposite of that picture

[Momo]

I seriously doubt con owners are going to admit “ Vic was a creeper but we ignored him because he brings fans”.

Well the cons dropped him like hot shit, and even now that he's been unpersoned none of them have backed these claims. They're probably mostly just dropping him for PR, what if anything do they have to lose to back people who they are actually working with over an unpersoned leper? Maybe they just really have never heard of this shit.

Again, why are they going to back a claim that paints them as “we knew but we ignored it” unless forced to do it?

Well funimation went out of their way to do so and from the hollywood verse metoo people seemed to fall over each other to say 'we knew all along'. Anyway all of this is going to come out in the wash when Ron Toye is required to back his claims in court. This specific part we're arguing about is speculation.

The Weinstein Company is bankrupt and most hollywood stars are shit scare of #MeToo, including people that said the were victims. Brian Synger is MIA and Kevin Spacey is filming passive agressive YouTube videos.

Honestly dont think anyone is scared of Vic, nor does he have much pull in the industry. But again, speculation.

Also, this topic sucks unless you're willing to spend time looking up way too much unimportant shit.

[Boredfrom]

“Molesting people is his schtick and some people ask for it”

Is that a good summary Momo?

his is exactly why I said it's a waste of time talking about it.

you've already make up your mind based on things you've heard without ever looking into it yourself, so why should i bother.

Momo, I feel you for the most part. But you should admit that if just was a small group of people talking shit about it would have not blown up as it was. I dont doubt that there is a group that has a beef with him and is trying to shit on him way more than the stuff he actually did. But maybe just think in the possibility thar his insane fanbase and the gators are whitewashing some of this stuff. 

[Momo]

“Molesting people is his schtick and some people ask for it”

Is that a good summary Momo?

his is exactly why I said it's a waste of time talking about it.

you've already make up your mind based on things you've heard without ever looking into it yourself, so why should i bother.

Momo, I feel you for the most part. But you should admit that if just was a small group of people talking shit about it would have not blown up as it was. I dont doubt that there is a group that has a beef with him and is trying to shit on him way more than the stuff he actually did. But maybe just think in the possibility thar his insane fanbase and the gators are whitewashing some of this stuff. 

It literally is a specific group of people. That's the power of social media, contract threats and riling up people behind a hashtag. This conversation is frustrating me because no one is going to look it up and come back when they've seen all the public deets, it's honestly not worth anyone's time so i'd rather drop it if we're not going to talk about the specific sourced incidents over feelings.

The reason this riles me up isnt Vic specific btw, never ever will I be caught dead watching a dub, it's just that I see this information low, feelings high playbook so often and it's painful to watch.

I'm not considering any gator's word in any of this, I did look at their sources though. Kiwifarms has a thousand page thread on this also lmao

EDIT: I also dont give vic a pass on the signing nor the stunts he pulls sans consent, I don't think what he was doing was attempted molestation though like I mentioned before.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The reason this riles me up isnt Vic specific btw, never ever will I be caught dead watching a dub, it's just that I see this information low, feelings high playbook so often and it's painful to watch.

yeah, I don't care about the people or the subject involved enough to look into things, but its absolutely true that "no smoke without fire" is a false adage, and that people can and have had their lives and careers ruined by whispering campaigns.

The court of public opinion is unforgiving and generally less concerned about the nitty gritty than the narrative

[james]

 


 


 

[Momo]

that's the only like you will ever get from me, James.

[Transhuman]

The Weinstein Company is bankrupt and most hollywood stars are shit scare of #MeToo, including people that said the were victims. Brian Synger is MIA and Kevin Spacey is filming passive agressive YouTube videos.

Sure, some of the victims were harassed, and some of the victims had their own victims. And actually going through this shit is hard. It's no wonder so many victims stay silent knowing that even if they are believed, dealing with the press and all the extra scrutiny on your life isn't easy. I remember the girl who Roman Polanski raped said that the fallout was worse than the event. We do not make it easy for victims.

But there's plenty of actors and actresses who just wanted a fair shake, and now they've finally got their justice. I'm not saying metoo was a perfect thing, but it's done far more good than anything else, and hopefully the effects that it's had on the entertainment industry will result in enough change that we don't need another movement a decade or two from now.

[Boredfrom]

“Molesting people is his schtick and some people ask for it”

Is that a good summary Momo?

his is exactly why I said it's a waste of time talking about it.

you've already make up your mind based on things you've heard without ever looking into it yourself, so why should i bother.

Momo, I feel you for the most part. But you should admit that if just was a small group of people talking shit about it would have not blown up as it was. I dont doubt that there is a group that has a beef with him and is trying to shit on him way more than the stuff he actually did. But maybe just think in the possibility thar his insane fanbase and the gators are whitewashing some of this stuff. 

It literally is a specific group of people. That's the power of social media, contract threats and riling up people behind a hashtag. This conversation is frustrating me because no one is going to look it up and come back when they've seen all the public deets, it's honestly not worth anyone's time so i'd rather drop it if we're not going to talk about the specific sourced incidents over feelings.

The reason this riles me up isnt Vic specific btw, never ever will I be caught dead watching a dub, it's just that I see this information low, feelings high playbook so often and it's painful to watch.

I'm not considering any gator's word in any of this, I did look at their sources though. Kiwifarms has a thousand page thread on this also lmao


EDIT: I also dont give vic a pass on the signing nor the stunts he pulls sans consent, I don't think what he was doing was attempted molestation though like I mentioned before.

A lot of users in Kiwifarms currently thinks Trump did nothing wrong and is a liberal conspiracy, though. Like I said, I feel you and I dont doubt there is assholes shitting on Vic because e-fame given that a lot of them were also scumbags from Gamergate days. But come on...

[Boredfrom]

The Weinstein Company is bankrupt and most hollywood stars are shit scare of #MeToo, including people that said the were victims. Brian Synger is MIA and Kevin Spacey is filming passive agressive YouTube videos.

Sure, some of the victims were harassed, and some of the victims had their own victims. And actually going through this shit is hard. It's no wonder so many victims stay silent knowing that even if they are believed, dealing with the press and all the extra scrutiny on your life isn't easy. I remember the girl who Roman Polanski raped said that the fallout was worse than the event. We do not make it easy for victims.

But there's plenty of actors and actresses who just wanted a fair shake, and now they've finally got their justice. I'm not saying metoo was a perfect thing, but it's done far more good than anything else, and hopefully the effects that it's had on the entertainment industry will result in enough change that we don't need another movement a decade or two from now.

Oh, I agree that is better having a #MeToo than not having it. I'm just saying that people are feeling the heat, including people that were riding on it. So is not exactly like "being a open secret" was consequence free as today.

[Momo]

There's a difference between reading the opinions of people on Kiwifarms and looking at a video, or image, or link to a tweet and coming to my own conclusion based on it. Also, I've only read two pages of that thread before bailing, even though I obviously care more than you guys, no one should ever care that much lmao

[jorma]

You're all talking from authority on the word of close group of people who's word has been shown to be shit in most everything they directly point to.

Also accusations aside, the truth or untruth about them isnt really why I think Vic wins his case, it's mostly the contract stuff.

"Listen, you can't just take the word of a few dozen people that he's been making unwelcome advances towards women for more than a decade"

"Also, theoretically, if he did do it..."



Don't become a lawyer

lawyers argue like that all the time 

[Boredfrom]

There's a difference between reading the opinions of people on Kiwifarms and looking at a video, or image, or link to a tweet and coming to my own conclusion based on it. Also, I've only read two pages of that thread before bailing, even though I obviously care more than you guys, no one should ever care that much lmao

I agree with this, but KiwiFarms has been way more of a shitty place since a while ago that I dont exactly feel the information is totally 'impartial' (lol) anymore. Like I said before, I feel you Momo. I just dont feel Vic is innocent and the people involved in supporting him dont give me confidence either.

yeah, I don't care about the people or the subject involved enough to look into things, but its absolutely true that "no smoke without fire" is a false adage, and that people can and have had their lives and careers ruined by whispering campaigns.

This doesnt seem to be a spontaneus fire in this case, though.

[Boredfrom]

DP

[Transhuman]

Defending my honour

 

[benjipwns]

Time Travel is not possible. Thus pondering the ethics of it inside fictional story of a video game arcademode are pretty much triviality.


Pondering the ethics in this particular instance is sidestepping the issue and dancing around the morality of history instead of acknowledging the objective evil in some things throughout human existence. I understand completely why people see your posts as they do.

No, no, don't talk about what you want to talk about, talk only about the things I want to talk about! Your things are trivial! Mine are important!

[Momo]

Yeah the people who're standing up for Vic seems to be about what you expect from a ~gate. I honestly think it's unavoidable at this point given how things are going online and it's best to try and ignore which team is supporting whom and just trying to find as much information as you can and ignore opinions where possible. The 'truth' is a weird thing man, everyone is trying to mislead you. 

This doesnt seem to be a spontaneus fire in this case, though.

Seemed to be timed just about when arguably Vic's most successful work to date comes out. There'a another VA guy they accused of full on rape btw, I havent looked into that case at all so I wont offer any opinion (he's also suing). Also another thing I havent confirmed myself is there's a list of people they want to remove from the industry and they sorta got stuck here cause they didnt expect them to sue. Dunno about the people on this list in any way shape or form so i have nothing to offer.

To clear up a misconception, I actually went into this believing Toye and friends claim of over 100 women and when i looked at the specific sited incidents I got mad and felt conned for falling for the narrative. go back in this very thread and you will find posts where I initially make fun of Vic.

[Potato]

Shut the fuck up you nerds

[Momo]

Fuck you Momo

I just explained that im tired of having this conversation if we're not talking about the specifics, dont be mad that I'm trying to exit this conversation so i can go back to mistyping shit on my phone.

[Momo]

Transhuman is not forgiven though, he really rustled my jimmies and I'm going to ignore him until we beat them at rugby or cricket so i can gloat.

[Boredfrom]

Yeah the people who're standing up for Vic seems to be about what you expect from a ~gate. I honestly think it's unavoidable at this point given how things are going online and it's best to try and ignore which team is supporting whom and just trying to find as much information as you can and ignore opinions where possible. The 'truth' is a weird thing man, everyone is trying to mislead you. 

This doesnt seem to be a spontaneus fire in this case, though.

Seemed to be timed just about when arguably Vic's most successful work to date comes out. There'a another VA guy they accused of full on rape btw, I havent looked into that case at all so I wont offer any opinion (he's also suing). Also another thing I havent confirmed myself is there's a list of people they want to remove from the industry and they sorta got stuck here cause they didnt expect them to sue. Dunno about the people on this list in any way shape or form so i have nothing to offer.

To clear up a misconception, I actually went into this believing Toye and friends claim of over 100 women and when i looked at the specific sited incidents I got mad and felt conned for falling for the narrative. go back in this very thread and you will find posts where I initially make fun of Vic.

lol Not doubt about it (though I heard is not like he would have recieve royalties in any case). The problem is that doesnt exactly dismiss the claims as a whole. People are claiming that Funanimation are getting the side eye from Toei (I doubt Toei cares, being honest) but I feel they would prefer not having to kick Vic out even if some people there obviously hated his guts. Seems that everything in this case depends on whatever that Funanimation inner investigation was able to dig.

[Momo]

There's information about the funimation case out there, there's claims he wasnt fired due to the investigation and that it happened long ago. There's also a second more recent case that  funimation deferred to Sony HR that seems more relevant though (funi is owned by Sony) should all come out in the initial depositions. Toye and friends still have to respond to the case Vic launched last week.

Seems that everything in this case depends on whatever that Funanimation inner investigation was able to dig.

Not so much, the claim Vic filed has multiple components, one of them being interference with contracts. If any of these people as competitors to Vic in the same industry have been found to as a third parties interfere with standing contracts Vic had (like the kamehacon thing) they're in for the same trouble Waid is. Just means he can't claim for future damages and loss of contracts due to libel. The case if very winnable for Vic, remember Vic is the plaintiff so he set the scope they will fight on. The libel case he's just going to have to make a case that's more believable than the defendants and show that they maliciously slandered him.

[agrajag]

 

[Transhuman]

Transhuman is not forgiven though, he really rustled my jimmies and I'm going to ignore him until we beat them at rugby or cricket so i can gloat.

Yeah I only care about Australia's women's 100m/200m hurdles and I don't really pay attention to who wins

edit: riotous if you ever leave me just know that I will wait for u forever

[Boredfrom]

For the record Transhuman I was kidding with my American Psycho quote;  I'm just confused because I wasn't really following your back and forth with Momo so my posts don't really have anything to do with yours lol

It really does seem like one of those situations where a guy is used to acting a certain way, and that some people like that... but that having a comfort level with that behavior is problematic because not everyone is really even expecting to be grabbed or kissed or whatever he'd do. 

But maybe I'm off base, I literally have only read the last 2 pages of this thread and a few side convos in the last year in this thread on the issue and maybe scanned the old era thread once. 

He was working a lot less since a while, though.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I'm just hear to appear woke by adamantly claiming some man is a molester who I know nothing about.

jesus people, stop dogging on joe biden

[Momo]

He was working a lot less since a while, though.

He's pretty much fucked in the VA world imo, even if he can prove he was slandered people will still hesitate to hire him. I think all of the VAs involved are going to see work dry up slowly going forward.

also toei is likely somewhat aware of what's going on, they barred one of their japanese voice actors from showing up to the clusterfuck that is kamehacon last week for reasons*.

[Tasty]

Weren't at least some of the accusations against Vic made up?

I confess to not looking into it too deeply tho

Edit- Ah, one of the photos AnimeNewsNetwork ran with on reporting the original Twitter thread is of Vic and some woman hugging but it later came out that she's a huge fan and the reporting of the date of the picture was totally wrong.

[Momo]

Weren't at least some of the accusations against Vic made up?

I confess to not looking into it too deeply tho

The initial one as far as i remember yeah, the girl in the image embarrassingly told them to piss off. There's also videos of some of the claimed incidents where people are just being jovial lol


initial as in the first one they sorta spammed around as proof

[Tasty]

Aaaaand I already care too much about this now.

[thisismyusername]

Where is PogiBB at a time like this. This is what his careposts are for: Animu and Mango.

[Boredfrom]

He was working a lot less since a while, though.

He's pretty much fucked in the VA world imo, even if he can prove he was slandered people will still hesitate to hire him. I think all of the VAs involved are going to see work dry up slowly going forward.

also toei is likely somewhat aware of what's going on, they barred one of their japanese voice actors from showing up to the clusterfuck that is kamehacon last week for reasons*.

They are aware but I doubt they care enough outside “don’t even bother”. They are probably more angry with Funanimation because the DBZ remastered fiasco.

[Momo]

Toei's only going to care of their bottom line is impacted, I can't imagine they are happy with a scandal after one of their most successful movies overseas, but as long as the money rolls in they'll just side eye Sony and not do a thing.

[killamajig]

[Momo]

Ive defended Jordan Peterson,  Dave Rubin and even Alex Jones on the same principle before, which is why I know how this goes. So no, this isn't about Vic. And for the record I like none of the people I mentioned in this post.

[james]

Post 3 fucking cat photos (including one with an adorable sign) and Bork has a meltdown where he deletes a page of quality posts (even posts with 5 likes) and then locks the thread to reboot it elsewhere.

But this endless nerd bullshit is ok?

 

[Momo]

Also you're talking around the issue with meta information, claims have facts and you can go and investige each of the claims which is why I wanted to get into specifics or not at all.

[Boredfrom]

Toei's only going to care of their bottom line is impacted, I can't imagine they are happy with a scandal after one of their most successful movies overseas, but as long as the money rolls in they'll just side eye Sony and not do a thing.

Dude, nobody cares about Vic as Broly outside of the die hard fans in the US. They care about the Japanese seiyuus reputation and voice work to get him involved in this. Most of the world saw the film in their own language to care about Vic and the English dub.

[BisMarckie]

[Momo]

Toei's only going to care of their bottom line is impacted, I can't imagine they are happy with a scandal after one of their most successful movies overseas, but as long as the money rolls in they'll just side eye Sony and not do a thing.

Dude, nobody cares about Vic as Broly outside of the die hard fans in the US. They care about the Japanese seiyuus reputation and voice work to get him involved in this. Most of the world saw the film in their own language to care about Vic and the English dub.

which is why I'm saying toei won't do shit, this isn't going to stop the money trail, it's just mildly embarrassing.

[Boredfrom]

Toei's only going to care of their bottom line is impacted, I can't imagine they are happy with a scandal after one of their most successful movies overseas, but as long as the money rolls in they'll just side eye Sony and not do a thing.

Dude, nobody cares about Vic as Broly outside of the die hard fans in the US. They care about the Japanese seiyuus reputation and voice work to get him involved in this. Most of the world saw the film in their own language to care about Vic and the English dub.

which is why I'm saying toei won't do shit, this isn't going to stop the money trail, it's just mildly embarrassing.

Just saying this because it annoys me when people say that Vic is responsible for Broly success. 

A lot of people were mad because FighterZ didn’t have LatinAmerican dubs (probably because Funanimation) while stuff like Naruto games has this.

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Mexican Goku and Vegeta are god tier

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[PogiJones]

Where is PogiBB at a time like this. This is what his careposts are for: Animu and Mango.

What's the TL;DR of what's going on?

[Boredfrom]

This will def. be my last post, but I’ll just say that I don’t think it is out of the question for some dude who openly makes sudden, funny sexualized moves on female colleagues in public to be equally as likely to take that as an option to the women he invites to his room, some of which were other VAs or fans.

And his aloofness about his intentions, plus his position of power, definitely couple into sexual harassment territory when you get there. Not a “oh whoops went a bit too far there”. It comes down to a matter of perspective, and certain circles who have a penchant for “lacking social cue understandings” + “unstoppable researching capabilities” will see this as a ploy and that the women either lied or asked for it.

I don’t think these women have anything to gain from it, and I think it’s not at all too far fetched to believe a lot of the accusations.

Just to be perfectly fair, there has been some people that are genuinely trying to shit on him without real stuff, like the stuff with ANN above.

[Momo]

I definitely get the impression he's trying to get laid in some of the stories, the jelly bean one is dodge for example I can see the innocent side of it, but as another dude I think he was trying to get laid, the one where he asked out a coworker and she said no and they both went about their business? Sure bad form but nothing crazy, a dude trying and failing to get laid. I don't think trying to get laid is a crime unless he pushes it. Could people feel icky about this? Sure. You're again not talking in specifics so I have nothing specific to say to you, bring up whatever example you think is egregious else this is a waste if everyone's time.

[Momo]

Toei's only going to care of their bottom line is impacted, I can't imagine they are happy with a scandal after one of their most successful movies overseas, but as long as the money rolls in they'll just side eye Sony and not do a thing.

Dude, nobody cares about Vic as Broly outside of the die hard fans in the US. They care about the Japanese seiyuus reputation and voice work to get him involved in this. Most of the world saw the film in their own language to care about Vic and the English dub.

which is why I'm saying toei won't do shit, this isn't going to stop the money trail, it's just mildly embarrassing.

Just saying this because it annoys me when people say that Vic is responsible for Broly success. 

A lot of people were mad because FighterZ didn’t have LatinAmerican dubs (probably because Funanimation) while stuff like Naruto games has this.

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Mexican Goku and Vegeta are god tier

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you could hire hobos to voice DBZ and it will still be successful, in fact didn't the first dub famously just get a bunch of people that where hanging around lol

[nudemacusers]

Is this the thread for boss baby rule 34

[BisMarckie]

you could hire hobos to voice DBZ and it will still be successful, in fact didn't the first dub famously just get a bunch of people that where hanging around lol

Even pretentious hobos?

[BisMarckie]

Is this the thread for boss baby rule 34

We definitely need that amir0x emote

[Momo]

you could hire hobos to voice DBZ and it will still be successful, in fact didn't the first dub famously just get a bunch of people that where hanging around lol

Even pretentious hobos?

if Bobby ever voiced DBZ I would start a campaign against him claiming he molested besada and you're all going to help me spread it dammit.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

its over 9000, kiddo

[Boredfrom]

Esta por encima de nueve mil, insectos.

[nudemacusers]

Is this the thread for boss baby rule 34

We definitely need that amir0x emote

Googling “boss baby mpreg” yields suboptimal results

[Momo]

Just for the record  213 I don't want to speak as an authority on this, I want you to, if you care ,to look it up, but there's not that many claims as you think. The source of the 100s of women has come from two people and one of them as part of the court filing will need to detail all of these over 100 claims he's claiming he's personally aware of. The couple of stories I mentioned here and about 2 -3 more I can remember offhand are the only verifiable claims by actual people. I believe you're being manipulated into a narrative. Also the 100s of women claim was made in the context of hugging and kissing people, not as a Bill Cosby as the originator of this talking point wants you to assume. Stay safe man both sides lie, check every claim yourself.

[Momo]

I'm done, can this be done now?

[nudemacusers]