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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14160 on: May 07, 2019, 04:48:55 AM »
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14162 on: May 07, 2019, 06:22:44 AM »
Trying to insinuate that the people who respect Kingdom Come's faithfulness must also be perverted hypocrites is some of the laziest virtue-signalling character assassination i've ever seen.

I can't imagine the person who does that comic has any self-awareness whatsoever.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14163 on: May 07, 2019, 06:50:55 AM »
Lol SweetSlurpyNikole noping out of that thread and not replying anymore after people quoted her the fuck out.  :lol

Is a pattern an history ? :thinking
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14164 on: May 07, 2019, 06:58:46 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/videogamedunkey-youtuber-tier-list.115499/page-4
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I mean there's probably a good joke somewhere to be built from this about the pot, kettle, and using the hard r, but I'll leave it to the master satirists in this thread
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Dang, I thought "Welcome to ResetEra. Our wallets are ready" would catch on


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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14165 on: May 07, 2019, 07:28:37 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/opinions-on-a-hat-in-time.115360/
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I'm thirsting for a good 3D platformer. I haven't played one in years. I don't remember reading much about this game when it came out. Why? Is it not as good as people were expecting? No word of mouth? Not in people's top 10 lists?

I also looked up the release date and saw that Super Mario Odyssey came out in the same month? So that kinda... paints a picture if you know what I mean.

Anyways... I might get this on PC but what are yalls opinion on this game years later?

And...go!

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Well there’s a racist voicing an npc in it, so there’s that.
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If you are complicit in the creator's horrible actions, like allowing a certain youtuber to keep their in-game role despite outing themselves as a white supremacist, then you might like it.
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It does speak to the character of the developer and something worth considering when choosing to support them or not.

Jontron voiced an NPC in both Yooka Laylee and Hat in Time.

He’s revealed to be a eugenics supporting, text book racist on a debate with Destiny.

Playtonic does the right thing and drops racist from their game. Gears for Breakfast does not.
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Outside of the JonTron stuff which is already pretty bad, the creator himself is kind of a piece of shit.


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Good to see the game is of quality. I think I will get it.
Thanks guys.


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Good to see the game is of quality. I think I will get it.
Thanks guys.
What is your opinion on the controversy surrounding this game?
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Yes it does, lol. Just like how Persona's homophobia brings the overall quality down.
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Not just that either. People love to handwave that as "It's just two lines!" which is plenty fucked up logic as is, but on top of that the director himself is a problem.

And yes, there's those of us who WILL keep bringing it up. It's always on topic. People are seriously exposing themselves when they criticize us for bringing this up.
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That wasn't the point of their post. They wanted to point out the ethical ramifications of supporting this game's creator. If the potential customer doesn't care, then that speaks volumes about their personality in general. Oh well, not everyone has a spine.
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I like how people saying “it’s just two lines, they reduced his role!” fail to explain why they even bothered to keep them at that point. Wouldn’t it have been much simpler and garnered much more good will if they had done away with these lone two lines alltogether?

It leads me to believe that they were more worried about pissing off and scaring the dollars away from his alt-right fanbase.
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all I know is that it's the game that has jontron in it
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What a joyless hellscape.

It’s been years but they can’t set aside two lines of recorded dialogue to enjoy something that dozens of artists, animators and designers worked hard on

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14166 on: May 07, 2019, 07:43:03 AM »
Are they that daft?

Why can't they have the ot and other misc threads, lol


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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14167 on: May 07, 2019, 07:44:29 AM »
You're welcome

I bet you don't even ask that people not record your act like that bigot Louie C.K.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/louis-ck-really-doesnt-want-you-to-know-what-jokes-hes-telling.115289/#post-20489368

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14168 on: May 07, 2019, 08:55:55 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/opinions-on-a-hat-in-time.115360/
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I'm thirsting for a good 3D platformer. I haven't played one in years. I don't remember reading much about this game when it came out. Why? Is it not as good as people were expecting? No word of mouth? Not in people's top 10 lists?

I also looked up the release date and saw that Super Mario Odyssey came out in the same month? So that kinda... paints a picture if you know what I mean.

Anyways... I might get this on PC but what are yalls opinion on this game years later?

And...go!

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Well there’s a racist voicing an npc in it, so there’s that.
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If you are complicit in the creator's horrible actions, like allowing a certain youtuber to keep their in-game role despite outing themselves as a white supremacist, then you might like it.
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It does speak to the character of the developer and something worth considering when choosing to support them or not.

Jontron voiced an NPC in both Yooka Laylee and Hat in Time.

He’s revealed to be a eugenics supporting, text book racist on a debate with Destiny.

Playtonic does the right thing and drops racist from their game. Gears for Breakfast does not.
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Outside of the JonTron stuff which is already pretty bad, the creator himself is kind of a piece of shit.


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Good to see the game is of quality. I think I will get it.
Thanks guys.


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Quote from: The OP
Good to see the game is of quality. I think I will get it.
Thanks guys.
What is your opinion on the controversy surrounding this game?
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Yes it does, lol. Just like how Persona's homophobia brings the overall quality down.
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Not just that either. People love to handwave that as "It's just two lines!" which is plenty fucked up logic as is, but on top of that the director himself is a problem.

And yes, there's those of us who WILL keep bringing it up. It's always on topic. People are seriously exposing themselves when they criticize us for bringing this up.
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That wasn't the point of their post. They wanted to point out the ethical ramifications of supporting this game's creator. If the potential customer doesn't care, then that speaks volumes about their personality in general. Oh well, not everyone has a spine.
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I like how people saying “it’s just two lines, they reduced his role!” fail to explain why they even bothered to keep them at that point. Wouldn’t it have been much simpler and garnered much more good will if they had done away with these lone two lines alltogether?

It leads me to believe that they were more worried about pissing off and scaring the dollars away from his alt-right fanbase.
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all I know is that it's the game that has jontron in it
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You can chose not to engage with posts talking about elements of a game or it's creation/creators that you don't want to, but don't enter a thread with petty whining about "politics". If you're more concerned about people posting about games supporting or containing bigoted content than you are about the actual problematic content in question, perhaps reconsider your priorities.

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Thread closed per OP request.


JONTRON WAS THE BIRD!!
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14169 on: May 07, 2019, 09:34:22 AM »
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Someone can correct me if I’m misremembering, but they never accused the developers of “trying to support colonialism.”

A game (or any media) can unintentionally comment or take a stance on a concept. That doesn’t protect it from criticism, and frequently the people at Waypoint give creators the benefit of the doubt when it comes to those instances. Don’t recall them accusing Capcom of propagandizing colonialism, but feel free to quote where they said that.

Aside from that, if your argument’s based on “it’s a take that no one else had,” then consider that so few gaming outlets ever even acknowledge themes/philosophies in games, let alone stuff like treatment of trans characters in game stories (or hold a fundraiser to support trans causes in real life).

“No one else had this take,” is more an indictment on the rest of games media, and even the Cliff Notes version of their critique of MHW’s colonial elements was better founded than your argument here.

The best takes!

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For some reason even bringing up an issue IS THE ISSUE for a lot of fans of media. Critical theory itself is the enemy. Same thing with this Monster Hunter World article. Who knows how many have even read it. It's weirdly accepted to be against even looking at media in that way. This doesn't just apply to video games, obv

“I feel bad for killing dragons in a video game, I feel like Trump Jr”.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14170 on: May 07, 2019, 09:34:29 AM »
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Waypoint has offered, for the last two and a bit years, an almost unique perspective on games and the games industry.

Unashamedly political in an industry that shuns politics. Unashamedly leftist in an industry that skews right. Unashamedly safe for women, BAME and LGBT folks* in an industry that is largely hateful towards them.
I thought about this post too long. Because it's an encapsulation of ResetERA.com's continued confusion about politics, "everything is political" and what entails "leftism" underpinning their entire crusade.

Waypoint isn't "unashamedly political" nor "unashamedly leftist" anymore than Kotaku is. Its political interests (and feel free to compare this to ResetERA.com's) are very thin cleavage interested in purely a mainstream upper class cultural milieu. It's a reactionary politics based entirely around conceptions of group identities and unstated notions of oppression. It knee jerks against anything from an out group in defense of anything in the in group. The "political" messages are entirely self-obviously supporting within the group. The Buttigieg being gay thing is a good example, he's gay therefore he understands...well, nothing. Because he can only speak to his own personal experience, not Ms.Galaxy's need to fight off chasers every single day in the horror fields of Boston. A recent popular statement from the threads that Finale Fireworker dumps boilerplate on and then gets to banning over is "trans rights are human rights" or "sport is a human right" yet neither of these claims are ever broken down and explained politically, it's simply self-evidently "good" and therefore supported.

We can look at the claim regarding "leftism" in a similar manner. Waypoint and ResetERA.com don't construct actual leftist ideologies, nor adopt them from elsewhere. Their primary ideology as I've argued regularly is reactionary and defensive of a specific and surprisingly narrow conception of what they don't see as a status quo. They don't support unions, or universal health insurance or anything else due to an underlying construction of how the world should operate, they both snag it from elite authorities who tell them to support it and because people they dislike oppose it. To take the original foundation of "left" and "right" we have simply on the left the rejection of the status quo and on the right a defense of the status quo. In Revolutionary France, in the Soviet Union even, this never got to the point of outlining an ideology, and certainly not one what WayERA.com subscribes to. Their ideology is a reflexive defense of a status quo they identified with as they constructed their self-image. They aren't "non leftists" because of their obsession with corporations like Disney or Nintendo or whatever, they're non-leftist because their ideal is a status quo where the continued dominance of things they like, be it Marvel films, Nintendo Directs or the Democratic Party continues unchecked.

When it comes to analyzing video games, Waypoint certainly does not, and ResetERA.com doesn't either, do much of anything to challenge the status quo in 90% of subjects within the industry. Video games, like most forms of art have always bumped up against societal acceptance, Mortal Kombat coming back around again as a controversy is a perfect example. An indie game that outlines some kind of shitty "message" while having no actual gameplay doesn't challenge the status quo of gaming. The things that challenge the status quo of gaming are those that cause revolutions within the industry and drag large chunks of it with it. PUBG and Fortnite are far more revolutionary and "leftist" than any lame ass "social justice" thing Waypoint is pushing. Both upended the industry, helped create entirely new markets like popular Nazi streamers, rewrote the way the consumer interacts with the product, and brought Chinese spyware onto our computers thanks to riotious's one man agenda.

Complaining about the designs or characterizations of characters inside video games or how a video game that before controversy probably would have been ignored is so terrible is a fools idea of a "political engagement" with gaming subjects. Cultural critique is a high class salon endeavor, it's a perfect example of ResetERA.com's moronic meme about how "only rich people can afford to [do whatever]" in that only the upper class salon can afford to navel gaze about the exposed femoral arteries of a character model.

It's "political" and "leftist" purely in the sense that they have distilled politics, and even leftist politics, down to merely the act of bitching about something they don't like online, often in bad faith purely for performative purposes. The more hyperbolic the better.

We can even make a case that the video game journalism outlets that continue to attempt to recreate the same outlets that have existed forever and merely tweak them around the edges as dominantly conservative enterprises. While something like Giant Bomb was an elite form of what has become the YouTube channel revolution of games coverage where select channels specifically don't do what everyone else is racing to do the same as others. Giant Bomb just flat out playing games, especially obscure random shit or things like FLIGHT CLUB, for an hour was a revolutionary concept when they did it a decade ago. Dunkey and Yahtzee have both gained followings because they deconstructed and then reconstructed the video review/preview. Both write scripts that they write and re-write and connect to the images on screen and even music choices, something that the status quo reviewers of an IGN or etc. essentially don't. (In that specific case they may simply lift another video's transcript for the script. doge) Because their goal ultimately is to recreate what came before and attach it to what's seen as new without conceptualizing why their meeting things on a checklist don't make them competitive with amateurs.

Just hypothetically, Dunkey may be Lou Dobbs Jr. and support everything Trump does. But in the sphere of video game writing (and this is what he does ultimately) it's him, not the "unashamedly political" Waypoint or Polygon that is a status quo rejecting revolutionary. Best illustrated by the montage he put together of "it really makes you feel like Batman" clips. He critiqued the video game writer culture in a way that challenged its very assumptions. Waypoint saying "we aren't going to review this game [because social justice reasons]" isn't revolutionary, editorial has always wrote whole swaths of titles out of what they covered for all kinds of reasons. CGW and PC Gamer didn't review all the many porn games that advertised in the back of their issues and didn't have to explain why.

Plus even in terms of "performative leftism" Waypoint already showed their cards when they shut up and repeated corporate's talking points regarding #MeToo and unionism.

God I wish some people from ERA would be forced to read this post

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14171 on: May 07, 2019, 10:18:44 AM »
Filler... :uguu

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14172 on: May 07, 2019, 10:38:16 AM »
Imagine linking your twitch account to GAF  :doge

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14173 on: May 07, 2019, 10:57:17 AM »
Lore outed on Reset huh?

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14175 on: May 07, 2019, 11:40:40 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mitch-mcconnell-will-speak-at-10am-to-declare-mueller-investigation-case-closed.115607/

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McConnell is a traitor and an evil human being. I don't often truly hate people, but he is loathsome and disgusting person and I hope he dies a slow painful death when he finally see fits to rid the planet of his existence. Then I will join the long line of people to piss on his grave.
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14176 on: May 07, 2019, 11:51:24 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mitch-mcconnell-will-speak-at-10am-to-declare-mueller-investigation-case-closed.115607/

Quote from: Sulik2, post: 20547543, member: 17807
McConnell is a traitor and an evil human being. I don't often truly hate people, but he is loathsome and disgusting person and I hope he dies a slow painful death when he finally see fits to rid the planet of his existence. Then I will join the long line of people to piss on his grave.
:badass

He is truly a disgusting person, though.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14177 on: May 07, 2019, 11:51:57 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mitch-mcconnell-will-speak-at-10am-to-declare-mueller-investigation-case-closed.115607/

Quote from: Sulik2, post: 20547543, member: 17807
McConnell is a traitor and an evil human being. I don't often truly hate people, but he is loathsome and disgusting person and I hope he dies a slow painful death when he finally see fits to rid the planet of his existence. Then I will join the long line of people to piss on his grave.
:badass

I am going to take a giant wet shit on your grave you cunt.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14178 on: May 07, 2019, 11:53:17 AM »
I kinda wanted to do a Waypoints Greatest Shits roundup, but I really cba.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14179 on: May 07, 2019, 11:54:18 AM »
Are you guys seriously going to stan for McConnell?

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14180 on: May 07, 2019, 11:57:04 AM »
It's not stanning for McConnell as much as giggling at the rhetorical bodily functions these internet warriors are fantasizing about.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14181 on: May 07, 2019, 12:02:41 PM »
It's not stanning for McConnell as much as giggling at the rhetorical bodily functions these internet warriors are fantasizing about.

I dunno, I can see people getting troubled if RE is shitting on another public figure than a known scummy and double faced politician that is known for his cynicism disguised as political pragmatism.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14182 on: May 07, 2019, 12:03:04 PM »
"ResetERA.com, do you wipe after defacing the graves of people you hate?"

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14183 on: May 07, 2019, 12:04:57 PM »
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Someone can correct me if I’m misremembering, but they never accused the developers of “trying to support colonialism.”

A game (or any media) can unintentionally comment or take a stance on a concept. That doesn’t protect it from criticism, and frequently the people at Waypoint give creators the benefit of the doubt when it comes to those instances. Don’t recall them accusing Capcom of propagandizing colonialism, but feel free to quote where they said that.

Aside from that, if your argument’s based on “it’s a take that no one else had,” then consider that so few gaming outlets ever even acknowledge themes/philosophies in games, let alone stuff like treatment of trans characters in game stories (or hold a fundraiser to support trans causes in real life).

“No one else had this take,” is more an indictment on the rest of games media, and even the Cliff Notes version of their critique of MHW’s colonial elements was better founded than your argument here.

The best takes!

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For some reason even bringing up an issue IS THE ISSUE for a lot of fans of media. Critical theory itself is the enemy. Same thing with this Monster Hunter World article. Who knows how many have even read it. It's weirdly accepted to be against even looking at media in that way. This doesn't just apply to video games, obv

“I feel bad for killing dragons in a video game, I feel like Trump Jr”.

Their mistake is to believe that any critical take is inherently good and worthwhile. I suppose PETA complaining about animal abuse in Super Mario was actually a really important take and it's a true shame it was ridiculed

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14184 on: May 07, 2019, 12:14:25 PM »
I kinda wanted to do a Waypoints Greatest Shits roundup, but I really cba.
This Resident Evil 2 article was incredible.
Sad to see them gone, they could've rivaled the Onion.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14185 on: May 07, 2019, 12:15:39 PM »
Baron Trump kills and poses with real dead dragons, not your taco pixel ones.

 :trumps

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14186 on: May 07, 2019, 12:17:49 PM »
Their mistake is to believe that any critical take is inherently good and worthwhile. I suppose PETA complaining about animal abuse in Super Mario was actually a really important take and it's a true shame it was ridiculed

at least PETA know how to pay the bills and keep on trucking  :success

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14187 on: May 07, 2019, 12:17:52 PM »
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Someone can correct me if I’m misremembering, but they never accused the developers of “trying to support colonialism.”

A game (or any media) can unintentionally comment or take a stance on a concept. That doesn’t protect it from criticism, and frequently the people at Waypoint give creators the benefit of the doubt when it comes to those instances. Don’t recall them accusing Capcom of propagandizing colonialism, but feel free to quote where they said that.

Aside from that, if your argument’s based on “it’s a take that no one else had,” then consider that so few gaming outlets ever even acknowledge themes/philosophies in games, let alone stuff like treatment of trans characters in game stories (or hold a fundraiser to support trans causes in real life).

“No one else had this take,” is more an indictment on the rest of games media, and even the Cliff Notes version of their critique of MHW’s colonial elements was better founded than your argument here.

The best takes!

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For some reason even bringing up an issue IS THE ISSUE for a lot of fans of media. Critical theory itself is the enemy. Same thing with this Monster Hunter World article. Who knows how many have even read it. It's weirdly accepted to be against even looking at media in that way. This doesn't just apply to video games, obv

“I feel bad for killing dragons in a video game, I feel like Trump Jr”.

Their mistake is to believe that any critical take is inherently good and worthwhile. I suppose PETA complaining about animal abuse in Super Mario was actually a really important take and it's a true shame it was ridiculed

I’m pretty sure they know this, is the same thing they say when is concerned to other stuff. They just really like Waypoint because their politics, not that most of them would ever bother to watch their streams or reading their articles regularly.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14188 on: May 07, 2019, 12:34:58 PM »
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Today, we should just lament the fact that Waypoint, one of the few bastions for honest-to-god left-leaning criticism in games
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3ybje/i-really-like-god-of-war-but-reserve-the-right-to-change-my-mind
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If you wanted video games to be seen as art, we needed more BioShock Infinites, and as someone who was, at the time, trying to transition to more serious criticism, this fit.

When the game came out, everything supported my initial reading. Reviews dropped, and everyone liked the game. Not only was it good, it seemed important.

Then, others weighed in. Specifically, people outside the establishment game reviewing cognoscenti, a small group of individuals who tend to review the “big” games, and thus set the tone for how a game is perceived and talked about. (I’m part of this, and have been for a long time.) As critics like Waypoint’s Austin Walker (“I Can See My House From Here: Bioshock Infinite, Nostalgia, and The Uncanny”), Anjin Anhut (“Infinite Privilege”), Gary Alexander (“Columbia: Problematic Racism Theme Park”), Leigh Alexander (“ BioShock Infinite: Now Is The Best Time”), and others published essays, my calculus changed. I’d taken so much of BioShock Infinite’s at face value, and mistook a game projecting as serious to mean it was also “right.”

honest-to-god left-leaning criticism


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« Reply #14189 on: May 07, 2019, 12:36:39 PM »
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Still the "He puts people he likes at the bottom and shitheads at the top" defence doesn't work at all given H3H3 is as bad as Keemstar, they playform alt-light icons like Peterson, and Ethan still loves Jontron. You can't like them without being a dipshit who gives zero fucks about bigotry.

The same can be said if you're still posting Dunky content, especially when the content's this tragic.

:punch

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14190 on: May 07, 2019, 12:43:28 PM »
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Specifically, people outside the establishment game reviewing cognoscenti, a small group of individuals who tend to review the “big” games, and thus set the tone for how a game is perceived and talked about. (I’m part of this, and have been for a long time.)

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« Reply #14191 on: May 07, 2019, 12:43:53 PM »
I kinda wanted to do a Waypoints Greatest Shits roundup, but I really cba.
This Resident Evil 2 article was incredible.
Sad to see them gone, they could've rivaled the Onion.
This is the type of shit they published? :era

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« Reply #14192 on: May 07, 2019, 12:44:57 PM »
Cognoscenti?

Klepek and etioilet must use the same thesaurus. :yuck

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« Reply #14193 on: May 07, 2019, 12:47:31 PM »
Cognoscenti?

Klepek and etioilet must use the same thesaurus. :yuck

Has anyone ever see them in the same room together? :thinking

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« Reply #14194 on: May 07, 2019, 12:48:12 PM »
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'Resident Evil 2' is a scary, effective fantasy of permission and scarcity. But I want to be a different kind of survivor.

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« Reply #14195 on: May 07, 2019, 12:49:31 PM »
Klepek probably can‘t even translate the most simple Cicero speeches. :smug

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« Reply #14196 on: May 07, 2019, 12:52:09 PM »
Monster Hunter: World is a game where the most well realized elements—the creatures and the places—are meant to be mastered. You master them so that you can cut them into pieces, and you cut them into pieces so that you can make new gear, and you make new gear so that you can master them better. Even when you choose to trap monsters (a slightly more difficult task than simply killing them), you’re rewarded with their pieces when you get home. You are not a hero, you are a hunter who kills for sport.

In our current moment, the phrase “big game hunter” brings to mind the Trump sons posing with their kills, holding dead leopards and detached elephant trunks as sublimated stand-ins for wealth, privilege, and supposed masculine strength.

But this association is older than the Trumps. For as long as the modern West has colonized—the act with which it marked itself as “the West”—it has reduced the lands in its margins to hunting grounds. Distant regions are places where bounty can be gained, both literal and metaphorical. Through the full set of low rank quests, Monster Hunter: World embodies exactly this colonialist fantasy: the pillaging of natural resources, the violence against native people, and the rhetorical establishment of the colonizer as civilized and rational.


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« Reply #14198 on: May 07, 2019, 01:09:15 PM »
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I saw Kyle Bosman at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
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The hell? This doesn't at all sound like Kyle. Now I'm sad. Another one down the drain.

:heh

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« Reply #14199 on: May 07, 2019, 01:10:15 PM »
Like most people are saying, Waypoint was always part of Vice and no one is leaving and nothing is changing except the name apparently

However I could see this as a way to rein them in and keep them from continuing with their own separate identity, stop them from pulling a Gaming-Age Forums split, because they see the way the wind has been blowing with Vice getting the :wag

This is so era

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/waypoint-is-joining-the-new-vice-com/21784/32

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Not to be a bear, but can we get a discord invite link in this thread?
What I’d suggest for this is to get in touch with a moderator to request this.

We don’t have an open Discord link on the forum to minimise the potential for harassment to come into the Discord through that link.
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« Reply #14200 on: May 07, 2019, 01:10:28 PM »
space invaders is a simple game based on simple premise, at least on the surface. your lone ships stands before a baying horde of foreign grotesques, intent on destruction, you fire your weapon, you score shoots up and the dopamine flows through your veins. is it really a simple action game or allegory for the addiction of colonialism? acting as a small force with superior weaponry dispensing with the rushing throng of primitives, it's clear that it is you the player who is acting as the colonial occupier, you are the invader.
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« Reply #14201 on: May 07, 2019, 01:11:06 PM »

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« Reply #14202 on: May 07, 2019, 01:11:20 PM »
I kinda wanted to do a Waypoints Greatest Shits roundup, but I really cba.
This Resident Evil 2 article was incredible.
Sad to see them gone, they could've rivaled the Onion.

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That notion is wild, the police station as fortress/safe haven is laughably naive (particularly for people of color). It certainly was in the 90s as well, and really, when has policing in America ever actually been about keeping neighborhoods safe as opposed to keeping a racist status quo up and running?

Keep in mind they're talking about a zombie apocalypse

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« Reply #14203 on: May 07, 2019, 01:23:06 PM »
You joke, but Klepek is the kiss of fucking death for an organization. How such an untalented hack keeps getting work is beyond me.


Patrick Klepek sinks another publication, fuckin toxic white male

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« Reply #14204 on: May 07, 2019, 01:25:18 PM »
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'Resident Evil 2' is a scary, effective fantasy of permission and scarcity. But I want to be a different kind of survivor.

 :doge

Why does Resident Evil 2 make me fight zombies, I just want to be a peaceful medic and help people survive!
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« Reply #14205 on: May 07, 2019, 01:27:03 PM »
Like most people are saying, Waypoint was always part of Vice and no one is leaving and nothing is changing except the name apparently

However I could see this as a way to rein them in and keep them from continuing with their own separate identity, stop them from pulling a Gaming-Age Forums split, because they see the way the wind has been blowing with Vice getting the :wag
nah, waypoint just isn't popular compared to their other spinoff sub brands. that's why motherboard and noisey are staying separated and waypoint just gonna be "vice games", the vice name is way more notable than the waypoint name.

it just also happens to fit in with the austin walker penchant for downplaying/ignoring sexual harassment and assault by becoming a vice employee proper.

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« Reply #14206 on: May 07, 2019, 01:29:58 PM »
Gaining experience points and leveling up to become more powerful, gain new skills and achieve more promotes the capitalist myth that an individual, often from a poor and non noble background, can get ahead and achieve a historic victory and status through their own hard work no matter what systemic structures are in place.

The wanton spread of loot promotes a corruptive consumerism in which most items are treated as disposable and are acquired simply to further the ability to further an endless acquisition of loot. This commodity fetishism leads to a madness in which the person is driven to break open pots, enter houses and open drawers, and even slaughter an endless number of innocent creatures all to gain access to larger amounts of consumer goods.

Spreading the alt-right "NPC meme" to others within the world just promotes silencing their voices and concerns until they serve purely as objects for the furtherance of the goals of the "chosen one" adventurer, the status of these individuals almost never advances or shows any benefit from the results of the actions of the so-called "hero" instead they generally remain trapped in a servile role permanently even as the "hero" advances and loses interest in his original community's concerns that begun his journey for greater personal achievements and advancement and wealth.

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« Reply #14207 on: May 07, 2019, 01:31:28 PM »
space invaders is a simple game based on simple premise, at least on the surface. your lone ships stands before a baying horde of foreign grotesques, intent on destruction, you fire your weapon, you score shoots up and the dopamine flows through your veins. is it really a simple action game or allegory for the addiction of colonialism? acting as a small force with superior weaponry dispensing with the rushing horde primitive alien masses, it's clear that it is you the player who is acting as the colonial occupier, you are the invader.

While some cling to the outdated notion that Tetris might be "problematic" due to its Russian roots, I find myself celebrating the fact that it represents a culture often ignored and left behind in modern discourse.  Any level of whiteness and the privilege afforded from it that the Russian people enjoy is broadly overshadowed by the unique cultural perspective that brought us socialism.

No, my personal criticism of Tetris hews closer to the way it seems to praise order and normalcy over that which is outside the norm.  As I watch the blocks fall and form irregular shapes, I can't help but see them as our own quirks and differences given form.  That gap of several blocks at the bottom?  A black man, left behind because he doesn't conform to white society.  The tall, overhanging ledge of blocks interrupting that perfect wall?  A transwoman, told that she will never fit in, that there is no place for her here.  A perfect row represents conservatism, the alt-right constructing their gleaming, one-way society brick by brick.  The bricks are whisked away and you are thus reward for enforcing the status quo.  Allow too many gaps in your wall, too many "weirdos" and "freaks," LGBTQIA, minorities, women, and we are told the entire system will crumble.  A game over.

Might other designs exist in this vein of gameplay that could allow or even glorify other success states?  In the long run, we may need to lower our guard ever-so-slightly and allow Alexey Pajitnov, a white male, to help show us the way.
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« Reply #14208 on: May 07, 2019, 01:33:02 PM »
How do I get VICE Games to pay me to write gender bender fanfics?

Think about Mr.Gilhaney and his ladyboy adventures.

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« Reply #14209 on: May 07, 2019, 01:43:33 PM »
Isn‘t TransLifeLine, the charity Waypoint raised money for, known to be kind of dubious and scammy ? :doge

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14210 on: May 07, 2019, 01:46:19 PM »
I feel like there could easily be a Waypoint article generator of some sort with how predictably formulaic their articles are.

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« Reply #14211 on: May 07, 2019, 01:47:52 PM »
I wish there was a Bire shitpost generator, it would save me so much time. :aah

Can anyone here sort this?

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« Reply #14212 on: May 07, 2019, 01:49:22 PM »
I wish there was a Bire shitpost generator, it would save me so much time. :aah

Can anyone here sort this?

What? Every "person" posting here is a bot, I thought this was known?

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« Reply #14213 on: May 07, 2019, 01:50:24 PM »
Isn‘t TransLifeLine, the charity Waypoint raised money for, known to be kind of dubious and scammy ? :doge

It was, but after the old frontrunners were investigated for fraud and embezzlement (to the tune of $350,000) they were kicked out and by some accounts it now actually functions as it should to some extent

https://translifeline-receipts.tumblr.com/

Also apparently they bought property in the middle of the desert with the intent of turning it into an LGBT safehouse/mecca complete with biodome, dumped a storage container there to live in, spent a few days out in the heat littering up the place and abandoned the project
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #14214 on: May 07, 2019, 01:51:26 PM »
I kinda wanted to do a Waypoints Greatest Shits roundup, but I really cba.
This Resident Evil 2 article was incredible.
Sad to see them gone, they could've rivaled the Onion.

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That notion is wild, the police station as fortress/safe haven is laughably naive (particularly for people of color). It certainly was in the 90s as well, and really, when has policing in America ever actually been about keeping neighborhoods safe as opposed to keeping a racist status quo up and running?

Keep in mind they're talking about a zombie apocalypse
Also both protagonists are white, Leon is a cop and Claire is the sister of a cop at that very station.  :doge

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« Reply #14215 on: May 07, 2019, 01:53:05 PM »
CUT MY MONSTER INTO PIECES, IT IS MY MASTERED GAME
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« Reply #14216 on: May 07, 2019, 01:59:31 PM »
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Let's reveal this for what it is: a weaponized alt-right/GamerGate meme. Its origins are me cracking a joke at the game throwing some half-naked women at me, nothing more. What it's been used for, and what its passive mention here makes clear, is a blatant, bad faith attempt to undermine my credibility. Maybe it's possible you don't know that, and I'll try to grant the benefit of the doubt. But based on past history, this usually only comes up from specific people, for specific reasons.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/waypoint-folded-back-into-vice-games-immediately-loses-unique-editorial-voice-staff-is-still-the-same.115474/post-20552393

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« Reply #14217 on: May 07, 2019, 01:59:41 PM »
I kinda wanted to do a Waypoints Greatest Shits roundup, but I really cba.
This Resident Evil 2 article was incredible.
Sad to see them gone, they could've rivaled the Onion.

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That notion is wild, the police station as fortress/safe haven is laughably naive (particularly for people of color). It certainly was in the 90s as well, and really, when has policing in America ever actually been about keeping neighborhoods safe as opposed to keeping a racist status quo up and running?

Keep in mind they're talking about a zombie apocalypse
Also both protagonists are white, Leon is a cop and Claire is the sister of a cop at that very station.  :doge

STARS was essentially a more militarized SWAT squad. The whole series post RacconCity revolves about sanctioned  USA or UN agents fighting terrorists backed by shadow corporations with obvious ties with the US.

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« Reply #14218 on: May 07, 2019, 02:02:46 PM »
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Let's reveal this for what it is: a weaponized alt-right/GamerGate meme. Its origins are me cracking a joke at the game throwing some half-naked women at me, nothing more. What it's been used for, and what its passive mention here makes clear, is a blatant, bad faith attempt to undermine my credibility. Maybe it's possible you don't know that, and I'll try to grant the benefit of the doubt. But based on past history, this usually only comes up from specific people, for specific reasons.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/waypoint-folded-back-into-vice-games-immediately-loses-unique-editorial-voice-staff-is-still-the-same.115474/post-20552393

 :exxy

 :lol

Holy shit Patrick. I remember how you acted in a GB livestream after Cyberpunk was announced. Don’t pull the “I was just pretending being stupid”.

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« Reply #14219 on: May 07, 2019, 02:03:17 PM »
how nice of Patrick "Rape Time" Klepek to TRY and grant the benefit of the doubt :lol