River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[benjipwns]

According to my almost finished fanfiction. AOC and Ivanka will run on a bipartisan thottie ticket.
To be honest though, their presidential campaign is not the primary focus of my writing.

Don't worry, Nintex will cover that part.

[Boredfrom]

“We’ve talked a lot about how the end product isn’t so damaging as people make it out to be, and I tend to agree with that,” they said, referring to the industry’s acceptance of violent video games. “But I think the process of making these things can be harmful for people. It can cause them to burn out, or lose a sense of self, sometimes. I would hope that something, at least, that developers can do with their coworkers is just start talking to each other about these things. If we’re not solving things, at least having supportive people around, I think, is really crucial.”

Man up and just say you want a Union, you fuck. I’m pretty sure your doctor told you not everyone reacts the same way to stuff like this and talking with Kotaku about this is like a sheep asking a wolf for help

[Rufus]

“We’ve talked a lot about how the end product isn’t so damaging as people make it out to be, and I tend to agree with that,” they said, referring to the industry’s acceptance of violent video games. “But I think the process of making these things can be harmful for people. It can cause them to burn out, or lose a sense of self, sometimes. I would hope that something, at least, that developers can do with their coworkers is just start talking to each other about these things. If we’re not solving things, at least having supportive people around, I think, is really crucial.”

Man up and just say you want a Union, you fuck. I’m pretty sure your doctor told you not everyone reacts the same way to stuff like this and talking with Kotaku about this is like a sheep asking a wolf for help

?

And how would a union help people cope with looking at actual carnage?

[Boredfrom]

“We’ve talked a lot about how the end product isn’t so damaging as people make it out to be, and I tend to agree with that,” they said, referring to the industry’s acceptance of violent video games. “But I think the process of making these things can be harmful for people. It can cause them to burn out, or lose a sense of self, sometimes. I would hope that something, at least, that developers can do with their coworkers is just start talking to each other about these things. If we’re not solving things, at least having supportive people around, I think, is really crucial.”

Man up and just say you want a Union, you fuck. I’m pretty sure your doctor told you not everyone reacts the same way to stuff like this and talking with Kotaku about this is like a sheep asking a wolf for help

?

And how would a union help people cope with looking at actual carnage?

Sorry, mixed cables, I was thinking about RE talking about crunch time in that thread.

[benjipwns]

I mean honestly nobody should be playing the trauma olympics here. The fact that anyone has PTSD is jacked up and we should do everything we reasonably can to help.

Yeah, really. PTSD is PTSD regardless of the trauma that led to it.

Except in this case, in which it's not like PTSD. At all.

Man, these grey comments about workers not being able to handle the content of a game they signed on to make, way to miss the point. Exposure to material like this effects the human psyche negatively, blanket statement, end of story. Even if the extent of that damage is desensitization and is largely not at a conscious level, exposure to disturbing imagery and experiences takes a toll. The VA has shown it to be true in soldiers in conflict zones, civilian research with refugee populations have shown the same thing

One of these things is not like the other. Why would you claim it is?

[benjipwns]

“We’ve talked a lot about how the end product isn’t so damaging as people make it out to be, and I tend to agree with that,” they said, referring to the industry’s acceptance of violent video games. “But I think the process of making these things can be harmful for people. It can cause them to burn out, or lose a sense of self, sometimes. I would hope that something, at least, that developers can do with their coworkers is just start talking to each other about these things. If we’re not solving things, at least having supportive people around, I think, is really crucial.”

Man up and just say you want a Union, you fuck. I’m pretty sure your doctor told you not everyone reacts the same way to stuff like this and talking with Kotaku about this is like a sheep asking a wolf for help

?

And how would a union help people cope with looking at actual carnage?

Sorry, mixed cables, I was thinking about RE talking about crunch time in that thread.

No, it works. Personally striking for the right to form a union would definitely help them. They'd be unemployed instead of working on one of Warner Bros. major media franchises.

[Boredfrom]

I mean honestly nobody should be playing the trauma olympics here. The fact that anyone has PTSD is jacked up and we should do everything we reasonably can to help.

Yeah, really. PTSD is PTSD regardless of the trauma that led to it.

Except in this case, in which it's not like PTSD. At all.

Man, these grey comments about workers not being able to handle the content of a game they signed on to make, way to miss the point. Exposure to material like this effects the human psyche negatively, blanket statement, end of story. Even if the extent of that damage is desensitization and is largely not at a conscious level, exposure to disturbing imagery and experiences takes a toll. The VA has shown it to be true in soldiers in conflict zones, civilian research with refugee populations have shown the same thing

One of these things is not like the other. Why would you claim it is?

Well, the guy claims that his doctor said it was PTSD (though I imagine is more complicated than seeing videos). I dunno, I can totally see people reacting badly for being exposed to this kind of images while being stressed by their work environment. I just dunno what the solution is outside “get psychiatric help by your own or pressing you company to facilitate this” or “get another job”.

[BisMarckie]

The post traumatic part, as in there needs to be a prior trauma, is a pretty big part of PTSD. 

[Boredfrom]

The post traumatic part, as in there needs to be a prior trauma, is a pretty big part of PTSD. 

I suppose it could be traumatic to work in general, if RE is anything to go by.

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Or he has a traumatic experience that contributed to this that didn’t mention unrelated to game development.

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[benjipwns]

Well, the guy claims that his doctor said it was PTSD (though I imagine is more complicated than seeing videos).

The "therapist" "diagnosed" the anonymous dude. That could be a Masters in Social Work. PTSD, like most medical diagnosis, is a specific not broad diagnosis and last I recall it requires an actual traumatic event to occur to you and you have recurrent traumatic reactions.

A dude having nightmares because he saw snuff films and gore photos getting diagnosed as PTSD sounds like bullshit to me. There is no reason to give someone serving white supremacist goals the benefit of the doubt.

[HaughtyFrank]

Who knew that all these gorefreaks from the edgy internet days should have gone into 3d modeling

[BisMarckie]

Not getting as many likes as I want is gonna give me PTSD.

[benjipwns]

What we shouldn't discount is that he may have PTSD from working on a project with known bigot and conspiracy theorist Ronda Rousey.

[benjipwns]

Not to mention the ethics of time travel.

[Boredfrom]

Well, the guy claims that his doctor said it was PTSD (though I imagine is more complicated than seeing videos).

The "therapist" "diagnosed" the anonymous dude. That could be a Masters in Social Work. PTSD, like most medical diagnosis, is a specific not broad diagnosis and last I recall it requires an actual traumatic event to occur to you and you have recurrent traumatic reactions.

A dude having nightmares because he saw snuff films and gore photos getting diagnosed as PTSD sounds like bullshit to me. There is no reason to give someone serving white supremacist goals the benefit of the doubt.

I don’t disagree that diagnostic is most probably bullshit, just that I can see someone getting affected by this stuff. I just also don’t see the big deal in saying “get help or quit your job” if is affecting him to the point of talking to Kotaku (a bad idea if he truly wants “devs communicating with each other”)

[Pepinappe]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kotaku-id-have-these-extremely-graphic-dreams-what-its-like-to-work-on-ultra-violent-games-like-mortal-kombat-11.115855/page-3#post-20588711

There are ways to study the realistic nature of violence without forcing devs to watch actual violent deaths. And even if this is a mandatory part of the job, it shouldn't just be brushed off as part of the job when you're inflicting legitimate psychological trauma on your staff for the sake of art.

And even just phrasing it like that makes it sound even worse.
 

I noticed nowhere in that thread did the person give some example of these other "ways".

Really, all that thread shows is the ignorance of the people who clutch their pearls close to their chest but have no fucking idea what goes on in a creative process. Reminds me of that story about Christopher Lee in LotR when Peter Jackson directed Lee on how he should act after being stabbed, and Lee was all, "I was in OSS in WWII; believe me, I know what happens when they get stabbed."

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kotaku-id-have-these-extremely-graphic-dreams-what-its-like-to-work-on-ultra-violent-games-like-mortal-kombat-11.115855/page-3#post-20588711

There are ways to study the realistic nature of violence without forcing devs to watch actual violent deaths. And even if this is a mandatory part of the job, it shouldn't just be brushed off as part of the job when you're inflicting legitimate psychological trauma on your staff for the sake of art.

And even just phrasing it like that makes it sound even worse.
 

I noticed nowhere in that thread did the person give some example of these other "ways".

Really, all that thread shows is the ignorance of the people who clutch their pearls close to their chest but have no fucking idea what goes on in a creative process. Reminds me of that story about Christopher Lee in LotR when Peter Jackson directed Lee on how he should act after being stabbed, and Lee was all, "I was in OSS in WWII; believe me, I know what happens when they get stabbed."

Didn’t both of them disliked each other at this point?

[benjipwns]

I'm just saying instead of making their employees view violent deaths, they should force their employees to enact violent deaths for superior accuracy. How do we know what they watched wasn't faked?

[Pepinappe]

"Hey guys, I found a hobo who's willing to do this for $20. Is the machete ready?"

[benjipwns]

$20?!? They're based in Chicago, not San Francisco or D.C.

[benjipwns]

PROS:

Avengers: Endgame is likely to begin stabilizing its legs after the typical second weekend drop-off common to mega-openers. Infinity War itself eased 46 percent in its third frame one year ago, which was also Mother’s Day weekend.
Detective Pikachu should benefit from both its multi-generation appeal and the fact that it provides a shorter, PG-rated, family-friendly option for parents with kids too young for the Marvel epic. Final pre-release tracking positions interest comparable to recent films like Shazam!, Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald, and The LEGO Batman Movie.

CONS:

The biggest challenges for Pikachu appear to be its positioning in the shadow of Endgame — which will still be going strong and could top Avatar ($68.5 million) and/or Black Panther ($66.3 million) for the second or third highest third weekend ever.
Additionally, tracking for Pikachu hasn’t quite excelled to the levels once expected in long range reports, and critics’ reviews — while mostly positive and indicative of potential staying power — haven’t struck at the high level typically conducive to a breakout on the optimistic end of forecasts.

[Rufus]

Surgery footage could be an alternative option. Hip replacements are just about the most stomach churning things I can think of, but since it's a medical procedure...

[Boredfrom]

Also, didn’t Ed Boon said they wanted to be over the top and cartoony. In can see why they use this stuff as references but I suppose what the studio is aspiring for verisimilitude rather than outright realism. I don’t think is necessary to see videos of cows getting slaughtered.

[clothedmacuser]

Surgery footage could be an alternative option. Hip replacements are just about the most stomach churning things I can think of, but since it's a medical procedure...

Oh god.  My dad would watch VHS tapes of that and knee surgeries the night before an operation.  Our big ass TV and open floor plan just meant you were going to see bone saws and exposed femurs after mom's spaghetti.

Joe Biden strikes me as the sort of dude who still occasionally uses words like "colored" and "oriental" to describe people.

Ex: “did you catch a whiff of the smell on that oriental’s hair?”

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bidens-racist-remarks-about-students-schools-and-more-from-2007-resurface.115920/post-20598340

That old stereotype about the smell of asians hair.   

[Pepinappe]

Also, didn’t Ed Boon said they wanted to be over the top and cartoony. In can see why they use this stuff as references but I suppose what the studio is aspiring for verisimilitude rather than outright realism. I don’t think is necessary to see videos of cows getting slaughtered.

The thing is, for most creatives, aiming for authenticity almost always requires that you get as many reference materials as you can. Depending on the subject matter, this may necessitate that you go into things normally out of your comfort zone, whether it's graphic sex or porn (if you're a hentai/erotic artist ) or violent/gory Liveleak clips (if you're working on violent movies/entertainment media). I don't think NRS is mandating their artists to look at snuff clips; I think it's the artists themselves who soldier through it for the sake of authenticity and realism, especially in this day and age of ultra-realistic vidya game violence.

[benjipwns]

Before it turned into reality shows of a different type, I remember TLC (originally The Learning Channel) used to show surgery videos on basic cable at what seemed all times of the day. And I avoided it because you never knew if you'd get some cool dinosaurs or awesome space or a bunch of people talking in monotone as they cut up some dude's insides after a car wreck.

[benjipwns]

Of course, we watched FACES/TRACES OF DEATH obviously.

Budd Dwyer's suicide, which is the only event I remember from those movies without looking it up, is one of those things that's "disappointing" in that twisted way. It's arguably more horrifying to read it described not knowing what it looks like. Like to where I'd tell someone to look it up on YouTube rather than read it about it on Wikipedia. He shoots himself so fast and it's over so quick, that especially with it being so far in the past in every way of the footage, it's like seeing JFK shot or whatever. An artifact.

Maybe it's just me though.

Time to fire up JFK: Reloaded.

[benjipwns]

Later, I will share more ways to make it so nobody can say "This is the post that will prevent from holding office" about any single post in your post history.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

who gave benji the pcp today?

[benjipwns]

who gave benji the pcp today?

are you suggesting I can't drug myself? and after I advocated for your BAN JUSTICE on NeoGAF.com? I feel sick to stomach

[Cauliflower Of Love]

You advocated for my ban justice on neogaf.com?



definitely a pcp user

[Boredfrom]

Also, didn’t Ed Boon said they wanted to be over the top and cartoony. In can see why they use this stuff as references but I suppose what the studio is aspiring for verisimilitude rather than outright realism. I don’t think is necessary to see videos of cows getting slaughtered.

The thing is, for most creatives, aiming for authenticity almost always requires that you get as many reference materials as you can. Depending on the subject matter, this may necessitate that you go into things normally out of your comfort zone, whether it's graphic sex or porn (if you're a hentai/erotic artist ) or violent/gory Liveleak clips (if you're working on violent movies/entertainment media). I don't think NRS is mandating their artists to look at snuff clips; I think it's the artists themselves who soldier through it for the sake of authenticity and realism, especially in this day and age of ultra-realistic vidya game violence.

I also doubt NRS is mandating anyone to see snuff videos, I just dunno if is necessary when the ultra violence needs to be cartoony or there is no better sources than gore sites. But this also kind of makes me doubt more about the kotaku guy account of all this.

[Boredfrom]

About that, RE makes a stupid comparasion with Last of Us II and Dead Space:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kotaku-id-have-these-extremely-graphic-dreams-what-its-like-to-work-on-ultra-violent-games-like-mortal-kombat-11.115855/#post-20585817

Specially since Last of Us II team ourights said that they want to make violence uncomfortable and the Dead Space pics are so fake ass CGI monster. 

Also:

People endure snuff movies for your entertainment and suffer from PTSD, but sure, the imminent worldwide crackdown on all videogames is the real issue here.

Outright snuff films are ilegal you fuck, why the fuck a company would force this to an employee?

If people are getting PTSD, something wrong is happening. Like, you're talking about all these other professions -- how do you know how badly they have or haven't suffered? Have they come clean like the developers in this thread's articles? Has anyone listened to them when and/or if they have? Have you listened?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kotaku-id-have-these-extremely-graphic-dreams-what-its-like-to-work-on-ultra-violent-games-like-mortal-kombat-11.115855/page-10#post-20601429

          

I fucking hate you...

[PogiJones]

I need an extension to delete every instance of "literally". I can't suffer my millennial peers much longer. Death by a thousand literal cuts.

[Transhuman]

I was in a snuff film once. Was pretty horrible working conditions, but for one guy it was really bad.

[benjipwns]

They're getting PTSD for doing entertainment, we shouldn't be apathetic towards that, the correct minimal-effort response to this should be to support them getting help or better work conditions, if only just on Era, it's the least anyone outside can do. I mean, it's like dealing with depression and anxiety, just seeing that people aren't calling us future-murderers help us deal with our problems better.

wait, what

1. Read the article.


2. Show some empathy.

Excellent. This fits my skill set perfectly. If I can skip that second step...

[benjipwns]

I was subjected to similar videos by some classmates and teacher while growing up in my early pre-teen to late teenage years to "toughen me up" for adulthood. I felt utterly despondent in the beginning, and unsettled by it but eventually grew indifferent to it. These poor people, I hope they get help.

wait what

[Boredfrom]

This post is so stupid even in context:

Hey I thought i was on ignore. Bummer.

Ok well why dont you go and tell all those makeup artists, prosthetics builders, researchers etc on all of those shows about serial killers, murderers and wars that they shouldn’t need to be looking at violent image references, its not part of the job, it shouldn’t be that way, and it’s moral bankruptcy.

If people are getting PTSD, something wrong is happening. Like, you're talking about all these other professions -- how do you know how badly they have or haven't suffered? Have they come clean like the developers in this thread's articles? Has anyone listened to them when and/or if they have? Have you listened?

[benjipwns]

I was sickened by the trailer so I swore to not buy the game after that, and now hearing that the team are forced to look at real life people getting killed as reference material to get the violence more real want me to boycott the whole company.

I'm pretty sure we can convince them that they actually had homeless people murdered.

Which, they did. Shame on Ed Boon and the corrupt Chicago Police Department that assisted in rounding up the homeless people of color.

[BisMarckie]

I can‘t believe that Ed Boon dressed up as Scorpion and used a hook on Romanian orphans, just to have more realistic violence.

But it is absolutely true.

[clothedmacuser]

There is no evidence of that occurring

"Have you listened?"






Tom Savini suffered for our entertainment.

[benjipwns]

I can't believe ResetERA.com cares more about THQNordic which funds child pornography than Warner Bros. which funds the murder, torture and dismemberment of homeless people. For all of Ms.Galaxy's troubles like being held over a boiling pot of water as a baby she's still alive today to daily fight off the hordes of murderous people in Boston who hate her for being non-binary. She couldn't do that in Chicago because they're all dead by Ed Boon's twisted hands.

Does anyone have the landline telephone number for Kotaku's breaking news tip line?

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I was in a snuff film once. Was pretty horrible working conditions, but for one guy it was really bad.

[Boredfrom]

Why would any Studio that is part of a big ass corporation would force people to watch snuff films without expecting a legal and PR nightmare?

They realize those artists are probably watching liveleak stuff rather that surfing the Dark Web seacrhing for this stuff?

, 

[benjipwns]

Why would any Studio that is part of a big ass corporation would force people to watch snuff films without expecting a legal and PR nightmare?

Because anyone who talked was next.

[BisMarckie]

Why would any Studio that is part of a big ass corporation would force people to watch snuff films without expecting a legal and PR nightmare?

,

You would also think that killing homeless people and orphans would have some legal ramifications.
But these things have been normalized in Trumps‘ America.

[PogiJones]

I was in a snuff film once. Was pretty horrible working conditions, but for one guy it was really bad.

 

[PogiJones]

Freakin' filler

[benjipwns]

Remember that Malaysian plane that disappeared? Ed Boon paid to have it "disappeared" and all the passengers placed in what he calls his "research room" where he "brainstorms" new Mortal Kombat ideas. Listen to the witnesses like myself who totally saw him orchestrate the whole thing with the assistance of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Nobody could lie about stuff or people that famous, that's how you know I'm honest.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I envy anyone whose life is so pristine a video causes them PTSD.

(They are lying)

This is dumb.

Now I know why people hate ritechoice

[benjipwns]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Iguala_mass_kidnapping

Drug cartels? Organized crime? No, Ed Boon.

[benjipwns]

"CROATOAN"? An alias of Ed Boon.

[benjipwns]

The Peterson Fellowship at the Acton School of Business? Actually, a trap setup by Ed Boon.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I envy anyone whose life is so pristine a video causes them PTSD.

(They are lying)

This is dumb.

Now I know why people hate ritechoice

Fuck u bb

Seeing a video that triggers something from your past that was traumatic can cause distress.

I'm not talking about the chicklens on era seeing an episode of friends where joey fucked rossed.

[BisMarckie]

What do you make of it that Ed Boon is a guest on Jeff “Black Hand“ Gerstmann‘s E3 show every year?

How are these two working together?
What‘s in it for Belgrade?

[Boredfrom]

I envy anyone whose life is so pristine a video causes them PTSD.

(They are lying)

This is dumb.

Now I know why people hate ritechoice

Fuck u bb

Seeing a video that triggers something from your past that was traumatic can cause distress.

I'm not talking about the chicklens on era seeing an episode of friends where joey fucked rossed.

That is different of what the Dev was saying (“images totally caused my PTSD, my medic confirmed it”).

[Boredfrom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Iguala_mass_kidnapping

Drug cartels? Organized crime? No, Ed Boon.

Some people here blame the federal government for this. 

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[benjipwns]

Look, I'm not saying that beloved video game creator Ed Boon is a mass murdering psychopath. I'm just saying that if you're saying he's not, you're saying all those people he had killed died for nothing. And why are you so eager to deny their families knowledge of how their loved ones brought others joy in their final moments? Why can't you just listen and help them achieve closure?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I envy anyone whose life is so pristine a video causes them PTSD.

(They are lying)

This is dumb.

Now I know why people hate ritechoice

Fuck u bb

Seeing a video that triggers something from your past that was traumatic can cause distress.

I'm not talking about the chicklens on era seeing an episode of friends where joey fucked rossed.

That is different of what the Dev was saying (“images totally caused my PTSD, my medic confirmed it”).

that's still plausible.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

These people are basically saying that you can't create fiction.

These people should burn in hell, and I hope the deserve to die.

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hows that for a twist?

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