I was well aware of domestic abuse and sexual assault issues before the SNES launched too.
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Quote from: shosta on June 12, 2019, 02:46:13 PMHow I generally think of Resetera now:(Image removed from quote.)and you were a mod for them.how did you get to this stage
How I generally think of Resetera now:(Image removed from quote.)
This just reads so hollow when everything shown of Cyberpunk 2077 so far has been so completely sanitized of sexuality and LGBT representation. Nothing shown so far makes it seem like brazen depictions of objectified sexuality aren't still considered taboo in Night City, which makes the advertisement just popping up on a wall seem more like an attempt to be absurd and mocking. Especially when the advertisement's design is designed similarly to bigoted jokes about trans people - "Oh, a sexy woman! Ah, surprise, there's a penis. Mix it up! Don't take it personally, It's a joke." which just comes across as bigotry in the guise of edgy social commentary.
Yes. But we can't just say that and ignore the reality of how Cyberpunk 2077 is being presented to us now. Because it's just as unfair and harmful. You can't serve Cyberpunk 2077 as straight male gaze that frames race and LGBT issues in modern bigoted stereotypes because it appeals to a broader audience and then say to vulnerable groups, "Don't worry, the full game doesn't do that. It's for you, too!"
My bore account is older than that, Cindi
My issue was by using the image on stage it completely removed any form of context and thus is subjected to the question and outrage directed at it.The response is fine and justifies its use in the game, but the way it was just thrown on stage was problematic to me
I'm not sure that making an offensvie advertisement in a game actually does make any meaningful commentary on the subject beyond just spreading the narrative around further. She says that her intention is to show that "Hypersexualization in advertisements is just terrible" while at the same she is talking about how sexy she finds the person in the ad. I fail to see how an advertisment with "Mix it up" "Chromanticure" and a bulge that is not represented when men are sexualized are really making the statement that she thinks that it is.The constant sexualization and fetishization that trans people have faced throughout society should probably be handled with a bit more nuance than whatever kind of reasoning this is as contributing to the problem does not increase empathy in any way and only further alienates us.
EDIT: please don’t say something like “see it was fine in context” as the controversy has everything to do with this company’s poor history of minority representation and social issues. Context is helpful, but the controversy didn’t come out of nothing and how the game will handle positive representation remains unknown.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/#post-21804870Someone explain this post to me, please.I unironically don't get what the issue is.
I do think, though, that they should have chosen to omit the imagery from any/all promo material (including nVidia's RT marketing) so that the audience can understand the context through how the game presents the world when we are playing it rather than just seeing it in a screenshot with no explanation or framing.
NVIDIA and CDPR should have known better about using it removed from the context of the story.
The anti-Nazis have became Nazis.
Her name is actually Katarzyna Redesiuk
Quote from: Don Rumata on June 12, 2019, 02:52:00 PMhttps://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/#post-21804870Someone explain this post to me, please.I unironically don't get what the issue is.Is BossAttack trans? I seem to remember a recent thread about people needing to "shut the fuck up when they're not part of the minority being discussed"
QuoteHer name is actually Katarzyna Redesiukholy shit she couldn't get more Polish could she
Solid answer, but faulting trans people for having major issues with it is about the last thing anyone should do here. What a mess.
Show the screenshot to some trans people and ask them if they feel empathized with.
QuoteI do think, though, that they should have chosen to omit the imagery from any/all promo material (including nVidia's RT marketing) so that the audience can understand the context through how the game presents the world when we are playing it rather than just seeing it in a screenshot with no explanation or framing.
Keanu Reeves was ‘blown away’ by fan reaction to E3 appearance
I wanna know how Keanu feels about all the transphobia that's come out of CDPR and Cyberpunk 2077.
Someone needs to ask him what he thinks about CDPR's weird transphobic shit so we can get a public apology from them
Wasn't he starred in that alt right movie with the red pill? John Wick also seems to be a movie reinforcing toxic masculinity. Not really sure if Keanu is an ally even though he hasn't explicitly expressed anything suspect.
Sucks he decided to associate himself with the game tho, all things considered
Quote from: Raist on June 12, 2019, 01:57:19 PMSurely their hero Jason Schreier has to go ask Keanu about his views on CDPR's bigotry, right?Like you can trust Keanu. He's a filler!lmao that word filter
Surely their hero Jason Schreier has to go ask Keanu about his views on CDPR's bigotry, right?
lmao it turns out this fucking woman made that art(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)i am sure she is all about shaming the lgbt community
Everytime you think we've hit peak resetera they managed to outdo themselves in their collective outrage.Someone must be monitoring this thing as a case study for collective outrage and paranoia at this point.
If we lived in a society where trans panic wasn't a valid legal defense for murder, I'd have the patience to hear what CDPR have to say. It still stands as blatant sexualization of a trans woman's genitals. I guatentee their 'broader message' is no where near nuanced enough to warrant imagery that gets trans people killed in the present day
QuoteIf we lived in a society where trans panic wasn't a valid legal defense for murder, I'd have the patience to hear what CDPR have to say. It still stands as blatant sexualization of a trans woman's genitals. I guatentee their 'broader message' is no where near nuanced enough to warrant imagery that gets trans people killed in the present day
Cool statement. I look forward to their character generator allowing trans and non-binary options to back up those words and the game acknowledging those options.Sure I won’t be disappointed
Good on polygon for going to her but I think it would've been much better if they themselves would've reached some outlet to respond to the controversy which was more than warranted high their past.
Wow this thread has a lot of people who were just chomping at the bit to feel better about hand-waving these issues.
Frankly they would've accepted any answer. Now then, it'd be cool if some journalist could address the racist gang stereotypes as I can't see any statement being made about that aside from window dressing in downtrodden areas.
However, just because some context has been given on the imagery doesn't mean people won't still have different reactions to its presence. The fetishization of LGBT people is something the community has always contended with and having a conversation about when and how it manifests is perfectly reasonable. Let's keep this thread on track and stay respectful and thoughtful to one another.
I still fully expect this game to be sexist and racist as fuck and for people in the studio to hide behind the setting and themes when that gets called into question.
lmao this dude just put ResetERA.com on epic blast:https://www.resetera.com/threads/this-fetishized-in-game-ad-from-cyberpunk-2077-raises-some-questions-about-how-the-game-may-depict-lgbt-nsfw-see-staff-post-before-posting.122649/post-21804952QuoteI'm really bothered personally by some of the assumptions I've seen made in this thread. I should preface this by saying that A: I'm a white cis male, so I lack any personal experience of what other people have experienced and B: I'm personally emotionally close to this issue because my SO is feminine according to traditional gender appearance norms but was AMAB, identifies as male, and is happiest looking traditionally feminine and having male genitalia. QuoteI'm bothered by the assumption that simply because someone looks feminine according to traditional gender norms and has a penis they must be transgender. There are a number of other reasons I can think of for someone to appear traditionally feminine and have a penis, regardless of how they identify. Other gender identities, subcultures, aesthetics. I'm not going to enumerate them; I would probably miss some and I really shouldn't need to for my point to get across.
I'm really bothered personally by some of the assumptions I've seen made in this thread. I should preface this by saying that A: I'm a white cis male, so I lack any personal experience of what other people have experienced and B: I'm personally emotionally close to this issue because my SO is feminine according to traditional gender appearance norms but was AMAB, identifies as male, and is happiest looking traditionally feminine and having male genitalia.
I'm bothered by the assumption that simply because someone looks feminine according to traditional gender norms and has a penis they must be transgender. There are a number of other reasons I can think of for someone to appear traditionally feminine and have a penis, regardless of how they identify. Other gender identities, subcultures, aesthetics. I'm not going to enumerate them; I would probably miss some and I really shouldn't need to for my point to get across.
I'm not sure if that's the way to increase empathy for LGBTQ+ people, because, like, sure, with that background info I can see the intent but that's clearly not obvious from the info given in-game.
So much fucking hate at the people mocking others for being concerned about this and getting on their high horse about it.The response is decent but I feel like you people would have accepted any old shit they said, just like how you all creamed your pants over the shitty non-apology they gave for making transphobic tweets and acting like it completely absolved them.And yeah I'm angry about this because I've seen all of the CDPR threads so far and seen all the bans and shitty opinions while I try and defend the most vulnerable members of my community and to be mocked for actually giving a shit is just peak non-interested gamer bullshit
As I said in the other thread, I really feel like this is not a satisfying response. It can be, for the folks that are only interested in the game, but the past CDPR actions are still echoing in the back of my head.It seems like we have two distinct "contexts" here: the context that the designer wants the public to accept, that is, the context that the game is a progressive take on the cyberpunk genre, treating social issues as actual issues and portraying problematic concepts as negative.Then we have the real world context, which is the fact that CDPR has not positioned themselves as particularly pro-LGBTQ, going so far as having transphobic jokes in their social media more than once. According to RPS, Cyperpunk 2077 is also not very sensitive towards people of color. Maybe that is also part of their discourse that everything in the game is supposed to be portrayed as bad, but it is interesting to note that the trailers have always featured white male protagonism. There's also the fact that their past games have always had more immature portrayals of sexuality, such as in the cards in Witcher 1.But even if the context proposed by the artist is the one we should consider, there's still the fact that they have not tried to make this a dominant theme at all. This game is colorful, pretty, full of action, violence and Keanu Reeves, but nothing in their portrayal of their own game have made me think that it will tackle social issues, even in a cynical way. It works in GTA, for example, because of the tone. In GTA: San Andreas, you have black voice actors, black writers, black protagonism, etc. This is why, even when it shows racism, the game itself is not characterized as racist.Or maybe the actual context is a hybrid between their narration of what we should expect and what we've come to expect according to this company's past: an alienated take on social issues that has to put those commentaries aside to show things that they have been trying to sell (cool future, cool guns, hot cyborgs)
QuoteSolid answer, but faulting trans people for having major issues with it is about the last thing anyone should do here. What a mess.QuoteShow the screenshot to some trans people and ask them if they feel empathized with.
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You know a path for advocacy, trans perspective, and cyberpunk authority could all be squared through the Keanu Reeves --> Wachowskis path. I'd like to hear what they think and whether Keanu, knowing them, is ok with this type of representation.
Fuck out my face, nicca.
I can check my source-books when I get home, but I'm pretty sure the Voodoo Boys were originally meant to be mostly white men who bioscultped to present as more mixed and sold drugs to upper-middle class white college students in between wanton violence.Having a Haitian dude as part of the Voodoo Boys isn't totally out of sorts. I don't remember the Animals at all tho.
It's important to remind people that the year this issue is coming to light, 2019, has been an incredibly tumultuous time for trans folk.Numerous rights reductions, political turbulence, and violence against trans people.Portraying a vulnerable minority group in this way is damaging regardless of the context.In a time where trans people are being murdered for being trans, fetishization to this degree shouldn't be handwaved.
Quote from: marrec on June 12, 2019, 03:10:17 PMI can check my source-books when I get home, but I'm pretty sure the Voodoo Boys were originally meant to be mostly white men who bioscultped to present as more mixed and sold drugs to upper-middle class white college students in between wanton violence.Having a Haitian dude as part of the Voodoo Boys isn't totally out of sorts. I don't remember the Animals at all tho.Dark Cloud sucks donkey ball
I still don't buy it. If this is enough for some people to justify buying the game so be it. But not for me.And even if it were, one correction doesn't magically erase all the unapologetically hateful stuff GOG and CDPR have spouted. Sorry, but I'm not giving this company a cent anymore.
It is pretty fucked up but people are taking this response at face value. This response does nothing to ease my concerns, it just shows they’re extremely ignorant with the subject.
I think folks are conflating a plausible explanation with a good one.
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2019, 02:12:50 PMQuote from: Momo on June 12, 2019, 02:11:51 PMwhat is this titty text game and where can i buy it? i need something to keep me going till cyberpunk bartender 2https://yoplatz.itch.io/hardcodeddemo(Image removed from quote.)Never underestimate the horniness of nerds.
Quote from: Momo on June 12, 2019, 02:11:51 PMwhat is this titty text game and where can i buy it? i need something to keep me going till cyberpunk bartender 2https://yoplatz.itch.io/hardcodeddemo
what is this titty text game and where can i buy it? i need something to keep me going till cyberpunk bartender 2
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yo... i missed this, 5k a month to draw robot tiddies? Where do i sign up?
Quote from: Don Rumata on June 12, 2019, 03:15:46 PMyo... i missed this, 5k a month to draw robot tiddies? Where do i sign up?if you'll draw anything you can make way more than $5000 a month from the internet
https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/#post-21804783QuoteThis just reads so hollow when everything shown of Cyberpunk 2077 so far has been so completely sanitized of sexuality and LGBT representation. Nothing shown so far makes it seem like brazen depictions of objectified sexuality aren't still considered taboo in Night City, which makes the advertisement just popping up on a wall seem more like an attempt to be absurd and mocking. Especially when the advertisement's design is designed similarly to bigoted jokes about trans people - "Oh, a sexy woman! Ah, surprise, there's a penis. Mix it up! Don't take it personally, It's a joke." which just comes across as bigotry in the guise of edgy social commentary.
QuoteI still don't buy it. If this is enough for some people to justify buying the game so be it. But not for me.And even if it were, one correction doesn't magically erase all the unapologetically hateful stuff GOG and CDPR have spouted. Sorry, but I'm not giving this company a cent anymore.
