River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I think some points are hard to get behind for most people :
https://dorkforty.wordpress.com/2018/07/10/scary-monsters-and-super-creeps-an-appreciation-of-steve-ditko/ditko-mr-a-on-money/

On the one hand, era seem super mad about beggars and grifters, and are always accusing various game publishers of it.
On the other, half their proclaimed heroes are on patreon welfare or begging on twitter

[Boredfrom]

There are some posts in that thread attacking Ditko seemingly randomly and promoting Rorschach, started by yes, Slayven posting Spider-Man comic panels.

Well, yeah Rorschach is the hero, if there's one. 

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Obviously a deranged nut.

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Still the only one to make the ultimate sacrifice instead of just shrugging mass murder off, and possibly bringing the masquerade down, so you know...

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Grant Morrison points this out. Is kind of a big contradiction with a character we are suppose to totally  dislike.

[benjipwns]

I'm not sure you're supposed to dislike him entirely, Moore just failed to make him unlikable, compare with The Comedian, or even Adrian who is never a favorable character even before his plot is revealed, for example.

Moore's an unreliable narrator for his own views of things in the past too, so his reaction against Watchmen is reaction against almost anything he saw as being accepted about it. He's claimed Rorschach influenced things that are not really believable. At one point he even tried to claim AzBats was people ripping him off, when AzBats was a deliberate "look at how this kind of thing totally sucks" arc against all that stuff.

[Boredfrom]

I'm not sure you're supposed to dislike him entirely, Moore just failed to make him unlikable, compare with The Comedian, or even Adrian who is never a favorable character even before his plot is revealed, for example.

And is weird given that Roscharch is a total nutcase bigot. Is obvious you are suppose to dislike him, at least a great deal more that what you end doing at the end.

[Tasty]

I made a cutout Wiimote summer '06. Was kinda blown away how small it felt in my hand.

[benjipwns]

Moore's rejected V too before re-accepting him after the movie crapped it up. When V was never the other "extreme" as Moore himself was a fucking anarchist and the book is supposed to be a warning about Thatcherism.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I don't think you're supposed to dislike Rorschach as much as see where his black and white no compromises worldview ultimately fails - he basically commits suicide by cop because he can't accept the outcome where the super villains plot succeeded and he saved the world.
There's some nobility in the futility of the gesture his death represents, in that he has drawn a line in the sand of what is good and what is evil, and to him its as simple as that.
Compared to Night Owl / Silk Spectres nuanced but kind of unfulfilling "Way above my pay grade" take where they'll accept the small crime for the greater good.

[Boredfrom]

Moore's rejected V too before re-accepting him after the movie crapped it up. When V was never the other "extreme" as Moore himself was a fucking anarchist and the book is supposed to be a warning about Thatcherism.

I remember he disliking the film but liking people/anon using the characters for... everything.

I started to dislike his anti corporate rants when he started to shit on co-creators and getting paranoid over them.

[Jansen]

I'm not dead yet~

[benjipwns]

I've actually never thought Watchmen was really all that influential or anything by itself, it's simply the best single work for a lot of things that were happening at the time in comics. It probably had more influence as a successful mini-series at the same time as Crisis and Secret Wars. Nobody really copied the frame story, or the panel setups, unless they were doing deliberate call backs. All the "realism" of superheroes was being done at the same time due to Crisis, they couldn't be influenced by a book coming out at the same time.

Moore's Swamp Thing is arguably way more influential in selling first, the entire platform of Vertigo (which birthed Watchmen), but then second, all kinds of reinventions of classic characters and especially the reinvention of the superhero as another genre book.

Also Supreme is his best work probably.

 

The movie making V into a slightly left-wing Democrat who is raging against the Bush Administration was the one time Moore was right to be afraid. He's been wrong in like every other instance of people trampling on his works, people go out of their way to stay true to Moore more than almost any other writer who never gets that treatment.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Top Ten is peak Moore

[Jansen]

Has the world gone to shit yet I haven't had internet in a week. well I had internet but it was taken away from me...

[benjipwns]

Top Ten is peak Moore

Oh jeez, you're right. Okay, Supreme is his best superhero work, since it's just a Superman series name-swapped. It's All-Star Superman before All-Star Superman and better.

[thetylerrob]

The sequence where Rorschach finds the missing girl's remains is the best part of the whole comic and it helps you understand why the character is the way that he is. You weren't supposed to outright dislike him at all. #morallygray #centrist #comicsarefornerds

[benjipwns]

brb gonna write fanfic where Superman is a Randian cultist and Batman has established a personal city-state in Gotham

[VomKriege]

Nobody really copied the frame story, or the panel setups, unless they were doing deliberate call backs.

Well, like some parts in V (the song bit) maybe because they're the bits with the most obvious craft and mastery of the art and thus the most inimitable. It's not too hard to emulate "Take classic superhero from a realistic / cynical angle", a lot more so to create a graphic novel with a structure as complex and meaningful yet perfectly tuned as Watchmen (or as sense as From Hell, though I'm not a big fan, it's too much really...).

Also Supreme is his best work probably.

I'm partial to Halo Jones
Top Ten has some hilarious parts (the whole mouse / cat wars )

[benjipwns]

really, now that I look at the list, it's harder to name DC works in 1985-1987 that aren't questioning the pre-Crisis sanctity of superheroes that later everyone would just ascribe to Watchmen as influencing

[Jansen]

Oh my god peter fonda is ded

[VomKriege]

people go out of their way to stay true to Moore more than almost any other writer who never gets that treatment

It's difficult to say for Watchmen because like 300, the graphical adaptation is incredibly slavish... And yet get so hyperbolic in all the wrong ways at points that it looks like Snyder only has a shallow and superficial understanding of the plot and missed the point of the story.

But I guess it's true that this film doesn't aggressively water down its source as hard as V for Vendetta.

[thetylerrob]

TFW Jansen Benji and Jenkem confirmed not to be Epstein

  or 

[Boredfrom]

people go out of their way to stay true to Moore more than almost any other writer who never gets that treatment

It's difficult to say for Watchmen because like 300 (or Dawn of the Dead), the graphical adaptation is incredibly slavish... And yet get so hyperbolic in all the wrong ways at points that it looks like Snyder only has a shallow and superficial understanding of the plot and missed the point of the story.

league of extraordinary gentlemen was also abysmal, dunno what Benji is smoking.

[VomKriege]

people go out of their way to stay true to Moore more than almost any other writer who never gets that treatment

It's difficult to say for Watchmen because like 300 (or Dawn of the Dead), the graphical adaptation is incredibly slavish... And yet get so hyperbolic in all the wrong ways at points that it looks like Snyder only has a shallow and superficial understanding of the plot and missed the point of the story.

league of extraordinary gentlemen was also abysmal, dunno what Benji is smoking.

I even forgot that piece of mediocre shit
From Hell is a mess too but some of the spirit was there, at least.

[benjipwns]

I'm not saying in film adaptions, but people who come after Moore on works, there's a lot of "going back to Moore" in comics that otherwise toss out everyone else.

Although Johns is kinda classically erasing the work as he homages and worships it in Doomsday Clock.

[Uncle]

Is both hilarious and sad when you compare the quantity of likes of the butthurt “THEY CHANGED IT SO IM GOING TO SHIT ON THE DEVS” steam reviews with the RE “TRANSPHOBIC TRASH” reviews.

 

Probably worse because both are doing exactly the same kind of whining.

In any case, it was a bad idea to apologize given how small RE whining actually is, but 3D Realms are not exactly the brightest bunch.

 

[benjipwns]

we should start a website that writes positive reviews and then at the last paragraph lists something problematic unrelated to the game and then scores the game down a bunch of points

[benjipwns]

BisMarckie you see this:

[Transhuman]

I've actually never thought Watchmen was really all that influential or anything by itself, it's simply the best single work for a lot of things that were happening at the time in comics. It probably had more influence as a successful mini-series at the same time as Crisis and Secret Wars. Nobody really copied the frame story, or the panel setups, unless they were doing deliberate call backs. All the "realism" of superheroes was being done at the same time due to Crisis, they couldn't be influenced by a book coming out at the same time.

Moore's Swamp Thing is arguably way more influential in selling first, the entire platform of Vertigo (which birthed Watchmen), but then second, all kinds of reinventions of classic characters and especially the reinvention of the superhero as another genre book.

Also Supreme is his best work probably.

 

The movie making V into a slightly left-wing Democrat who is raging against the Bush Administration was the one time Moore was right to be afraid. He's been wrong in like every other instance of people trampling on his works, people go out of their way to stay true to Moore more than almost any other writer who never gets that treatment.

You sure you guys aren't looking at things too deeply? They're just comic books lol

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1163571712446930944

[Cauliflower Of Love]

This is like the time people lined up behind manning.

Next thing you know williamson is gonna end up being putin's secretary or something.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/JustinCChang/status/1163506844725153794

Annapura being run by a fail daughter is some icing of the cake.

[benjipwns]

You sure you guys aren't looking at things too deeply? They're just comic books lol

you sound basic, comic books are real



they're the gateway to the multiverse

[Tasty]

That just oozes Morrison

[HaughtyFrank]

https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1163571712446930944

Green is such an abelist choice. Way to think of the colorblind, Wu

[benjipwns]

It is, from The Multiversity.

[Tripon]

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[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-interactive-entertainment-has-acquired-insomniac-games.135880/post-23733304

User warned: generalizing.

Yep, ResetEra is filled with trolls and fanboys and it is really disappointing

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/death-stranding-official-gameplay-reveal.135903/post-23742295

User banned (3 days): misrepresenting moderation (member had only made one report before this post, last March)

If you feel like a post breaks posting guidelines, then report it. It's more helpful to the mods than vague insistence.

You don't think I have? 😊
You think the concern-trolling and the outright hate has stopped though?
No. By this point, they are well aware. They just don't seem to care, quite frankly.

Look... It's a divisive title. Lovecraftian creatures from another dimension? Babies connecting the World of the living to the World of the dead? A man "dying" every 21-minutes in order to find his dead family? Troy Baker sending hellish demons after me? No game-over screens etc. There's lots of info and enough footage out there and I can barely piece it together. To me, that's exciting.

Because if the game's content is meaty, if it delivers on it's potential, if I "understand the true meaning of the Death Stranding" and everything makes sense in the end... It'll have been a piss-stroke of genius.

You'll have to commend the guy for having the balls to barely explain anything. If it fails, he'll never make a big budget game ever again. That's fucking insane to me! Who else would or even could do that? That's why I want this game to deliver so immensely. I want these people (the entirety of KP) to succeed.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nbc-wsj-poll-40-will-definitely-probably-vote-for-trump-and-52-definitely-probably-for-a-dem-67-of-non-college-educated-white-men-pick-trump.135764/post-23718528

User Banned (permanent): Repeated inflammatory false equivalencies surrounding racism, community generalizations, previous related infraction

I have never and barring some massive unforeseen shift in the political landscape will never vote Republican.

Nah bro you didnt get a usless degree and crippling debt. Youre a stupid racist according to most of the post here.

is it me or are they banning more often for "community" attacks/generalizations/commentary/misrepresentations/etc. than before?

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-is-era%E2%80%99s-stance-on-%E2%80%98left-wing-militias-%E2%80%99-in-the-us.135971/

If I wasn’t married and didn’t have to care about getting arrested I could see myself setting up shop out west and doing shit like this.

I don't really know any. I don't have an opinion.

Heroes. They keep marginalized groups safe and are willing to stand up to fascist groups that want us dead whereas the cops tend to side with the fascists.

Statistically, the only people a firearm you own will ever shoot are:
1) Yourself
2) Your family

A reality where Republicans lose an election and the right tries to overturn that result with violence seems depressingly plausible right now, and maybe there does need to be some option in place to meet that with force.

[Uncle]

Fireworker returned from his vacation right

he got back like

[benjipwns]

Y'all will talk all day about how you don't wash your ass or how you won't wipe your ass but ran like hell away from this topic. And you have the nerve to be shocked when black people say that racism is ingrained in this country and white people aren't interested in fighting it.

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[Tasty]

It is, from The Multiversity.

I was about 80% sure.

[clothedmacuser]

I've watched the Margaret Qualley vid 10 times now trying to see where she "leaks" milk.  As far as I can tell it's the part where the invisible ghost baby suckles her through clothing. 

That's not not leaking milk.  Actual leaking is a lot hotter.

Those shut-in's have never had to hang around a post-pregnant women in their lives, not even the women.  God, all their sisters who get pregnant probably hide it from them so they don't have to hear the baby advice a femcel gives.

Oh, I'm talking about Death Stranding if it wasn't apparent. Which it probably isn't because that game is bonkers (but amazing.)

[Boredfrom]

Of course it's now getting review bombed by incels and "free speech" advocates. Though this one kinda made me laugh a little:

We are going to pretend that RE didn’t try to review bomb the game (and failed miserably).

Yet all the best gaming gif makers are on resetera..... 👀

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-devs-show-signs-of-transphobia-among-other-issues-update-voidpoint-apologizes-in-statement-see-threadmarks.135368/page-33#post-23750806

[benjipwns]

I bet these are the type of people who break down in tears if they were even remotely criticised.

[nachobro]

This is a tangent, but it's always somewhere on the back of my mind that the First Amendment explicitly protects hate speech, which has been shown time and time again.

The situation strikes me as being similar to gun laws. They're protected by the same "taking your rights" and nigh-divine legal cult ideas, it's the same thing where you can see other countries that have workable laws but then then America can't pull that off.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-devs-show-signs-of-transphobia-among-other-issues-update-voidpoint-apologizes-in-statement-see-threadmarks.135368/post-23751459

 

[clothedmacuser]

is this a dominatetly white thing or a gerrymandering thing? aren't polls showing people are favorable of gun control, health care, etc?

It's been that way for two centuries at the least. White Americans dropped the ball on their own damn foot just because it was standing on the backs of others.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/can-we-have-real-progress-in-the-us-while-white-americans-are-the-majority.135770/post-23751055

I would like a rundown of the views American settlers had on socially progressive initiatives from 200 years ago.  Also, It's been that way for two centuries is a odd statement for a nation only 240 years old.

[benjipwns]

This is a tangent, but it's always somewhere on the back of my mind that the First Amendment explicitly protects hate speech, which has been shown time and time again.

The situation strikes me as being similar to gun laws. They're protected by the same "taking your rights" and nigh-divine legal cult ideas, it's the same thing where you can see other countries that have workable laws but then then America can't pull that off.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-devs-show-signs-of-transphobia-among-other-issues-update-voidpoint-apologizes-in-statement-see-threadmarks.135368/post-23751459

 

FACT CHECK: No other countries have workable speech protections.

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[Boredfrom]

L Thammy is probably the most stupid poster at RE. The worst thing is that he sounds so secure in his aggressive stupidity.

[benjipwns]

L Thammy is probably the most stupid poster at RE. The worst thing is that he sounds so secure in his aggressive stupidity.

This post of his from the other day was an all-time top favorite:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thq-nordic-group-parent-company-of-thq-nordic-deep-silver-etc-to-be-renamed-as-embracer-group.134802/post-23594982

But Koch/Deep Silver, for example, is based in Bavaria. That's not very Nordic.

Although a German person in another thread pointed out to me that it's Nordic does make sense if you're thinking in terms of Nazi race theory.

[Boredfrom]

I seriously doubt THQ will ever address the 8chan stunt after El Paso’s Shooting. Why the fuck even be mad about it?

[nachobro]

I seriously doubt THQ will ever address the 8chan stunt after El Paso’s Shooting. Why the fuck even be mad about it?

well...

I mean

Why should anyone? They never said what the result of their investigation was. They never repudiated the site or acknowledged why it was bad. They corresponded with the people who arranged it after they tried to publicly distance themselves from it.

Also, who fucking gives a shit that corporate overlords are getting their feelings hurt by criticism

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thq-nordic-group-parent-company-of-thq-nordic-deep-silver-etc-to-be-renamed-as-embracer-group.134802/post-23611501

another one starting a sentence with "i mean" and this one is theoretically a paid professional

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/can-we-have-real-progress-in-the-us-while-white-americans-are-the-majority.135770/post-23751644

Well, Sanders has a pretty diverse base - judging solely by his donor map, which was so wide-spread that New York Times had to make a separate map for it - and part of his success has been his focus on material reality; ie, your money, which ends up defining most of your lived reality.

The US hasn't been particularly great about centering "the differences among strangers" around things like pay inequality (systemically ill-willed in the form of racism, or arbitrarily assigned, like how a hedge-fund manager is paid disproportionately to his labour) and instead shifting the conversation onto individual failings or success-stories.

It's been an extremely effective tactic for the longest time; to constantly chide individuals for not being industrious enough, or not "saving enough", or just not being (very nebulously) "smart enough" to transcend whatever is happening in their life.

This - fairly rapid - awakening of interdisciplinary systemic critique in the US by young people is great to see (though it's very, very, very long overdue, and tons of americans had to needlessly toil for nothing because of this historic blindness).

Now, as far as praxis goes, I think the response to a figure like Sanders is a pretty good starting point from which to design a wide-spread coalition that cuts through racial, religious and even age-lines.

The democratic party in the US seems to have been (fairly, I guess) good at weaponizing "wokeness" (in a general sense) without actually putting in the work to make those ideas a reality.

But for most people, "wokeness" is something you ultimately opt-into. You can opt-into being for LGBTQ+ rights (for example) but you can't pay your bills with wokeness; you pay your bills with money. So if you're in precarious situation in life, you might not have the luxury of being a woke cunt like me, gabbing on the internet to strangers about how to theoretically re-structure society, because it's idly interesting.

So, what conclusion to draw?

Well, if we're talking "praxis" - which basically means "converting your ideas into actual reality" - it makes sense to try to first and foremost draw people who aren't already "converts" by talking about material reality. This is what Sanders is really good at, and why his donor-base is essentially the entire US map.

Who has enough money? Almost nobody. Who has too much money? A fraction of the population, who, through their money, also get to make their "3:am, still drunk, want to drink more, hey, why isn't the world like this"-thoughts into reality.

While you're doing this - drawing new people in through talking about material reality - you're also being smart about (essentially) "smuggling" woke ideas and sentiments that make the walls between strangers slightly softer.

Obviously, it's not true that all poor people are bigoted, just as it would be insane to argue that the richer and well-connected you get, the more woke you get.

But things work on a curve, where - if you're economically disenfranchised - you might not have patience enough to really dig your claws into a "Contrapoint-video". Because you're tired, and you might intuit that the person making youtube-videos about woke stuff probably lives a more comfortable life than you do, and that's going to impede how receptive you will be to new ideas.

Questions like these aren't as easily boiled down to one, silver-bullet solutions. It's not "just" that "capitalism is the problem", but it also absolutely is, and if you're going to "rope-people-in" to your side (on a large scale), you have to keep that in mind as a reason for individual resistance, but also as a common reality that can bridge strangers.

As a gay man, and a lefty, I am little resistant about "this kind of talk", because it can very easily pave way for straight (and often young, and white, and male) people to trivialize other people's reality, because of the "duh-fact" that misery under capital is a more shared experience than, let's say, being black and trans, and therefore easier to get other people to glom onto.

But I do think it is a pretty good starting-point, and it's been demonstrated through Sanders, in the US (which seems to be going through a rapid awakening to change, and not just of the alt-right kind).

Ideally, this kind of cross-demographic movement that initially is about kinship with other strangers about "actual dollars in your pocket" will also continuously smuggle the importance of "woke-shit", in a way that makes sense for people outside of any one minority group.

I should say - I guess, I dunno - that working through the practical reality of the mechanics of outreach like this doesn't take away from my personal feelings about minorities (of any kind) being essentially "up for grabs" when praxis is laid out, and that" minority interests" tend to be the first thing that gets cut or bartered with.

Still, as means go to "compel big swathes of people, to basically your side of things", the only way to do this (currently) is to root your arguments in material reality.

It then basically becomes minorities' job to hold these people's feet to the fire about making good on more widely egalitarian goals (which isn't anything new).
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I might actually agree with what this guy is saying but he wrote it in such an Era fashion I can't read it.

[Boredfrom]

There is no reason to apologize right now given they probably want to bury that stunt and the only people interested on a apology are RE and ShockingAlberto. An apology at this point will only spotlight that stunt and actually make them look like asshats to the mass media in general.

[benjipwns]

Hot take: I think Donald Trump has no chance. He barely won last election with Cambridge Analytica + foreign help + gerrymandering + full unanimous republican support + riling up the crazies

He has no chance now that the US has seen his Dumbassery + racism + incompetence + reduced gerrymandering + republicans even hate him + now the dems have been riled up. As long as no stupidity hits the dems, the dems will win the election wether its Biden or Beto. It is up to us to decide who we want, not "who will fucking win"

gerrymandering huh

reminds me of:

[Tripon]

There is no reason to apologize right now given they probably want to bury that stunt and the only people interested on a apology are RE and ShockingAlberto. An apology at this point will only spotlight that stunt and actually make them look like asshats to the mass media in general.

Not even Khan's bosses at Game Informer gives a fuck.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I'm glad this shit was busted wide open. I wouldnt go so far as never being able to work I the biz again, but I hope anyone involved in this nonsense knows that what they did was fucked and how lucky they are that their game isnt just being permanently pulled from steam/any future storefronts. We technically dont really know that last part even. It sucks because the game looked fun. Get your hate out of my vidya games, you fucking morons.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Well you can't spell "kelleyanne conway" without all the letters in "wonky anal", this would mean something if this sort of lazy argumentation were worth a damn

did you.. did you just half ass an anagram, that has zero bearing on the subject, then complain about lazy arguments?

[benjipwns]

Alt right review bombing is happening. The fucking Incels and Nazis are such snowflakes. It's dropped from overwhelmingly positive to very positive and is rapidly dropping.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-devs-show-signs-of-transphobia-among-other-issues-update-voidpoint-apologizes-in-statement-see-threadmarks.135368/post-23751517

But, to be more personal, this event really underscored a conflict I've had my whole life in how I relate to art and other people. All my trans and allied friends don't really care about videogames, and I don't blame them, but it's frustrating when Ion Maiden has so much that's original and breathtaking to say about level design, simply some of the most inventive and detailed and sprawling and interconnected ego shooter levels ever are in this, but people everywhere (and on here) will take any excuse to disregard brilliance and go back to playing Overwatch or their even more insidious Atlus JRPGs. If you don't want to support bigots, why not pirate the game? And if you care about ego shooters, why are you talking about buying it on Switch? I can understand playing it on a real console if one's life situation demands it, but a Switch? There's no chance it'll run at 60FPS (it already chugs a bit on my GTX 1070-equipped PC), and how are you gonna snap headshots while strafing in a split-second with those nubbed finger sticks unless the game does it for you, and then what's the point? It's just not fair to the game, or to yourself. It reminds me of what David Lynch said about watching a movie on a smartphone. Is it really worth it?

All my life I've had to engage with people who pretend to tolerate my identity, and people who pretend to care about videogames. The only safe space I could rely upon growing up is playing Quake III online, kicking ass and earning respect, but I can't take that outside. I can't take it online anymore either, because nobody cares about Quake anymore and people decided to cancel LawBreakers. Cancel Paragon. Cancel Ion Fury. Cancel everything. Everyone's a fucking asshole who hates me and the things I love, and in the end I'm so numb to bigotry and to posers and to all the screaming and nobody really loving anything anymore. I can't express how I feel about anything anymore without being canceled.

I'm a trans person and Ion Fury is GOTY 2019. Please play it.

what's the ban message on this one gonna be? i think the safe one will be "advocating piracy, junior account"