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Just caught it on the news.
It looks pretty bad.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 02:05:19 PM »
That does look bad.

Damn this sucks. :(
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2019, 02:07:55 PM »
notre dame more like notre damned

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2019, 02:12:26 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2019, 02:13:45 PM »
it's always sad to see historical monuments get destroyed

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2019, 02:16:44 PM »
But is it lit?

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2019, 02:20:18 PM »
is collapsing now  :goty

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2019, 02:23:37 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2019, 02:26:25 PM »
Holy shit.    How the fuck?

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2019, 02:29:50 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2019, 02:30:18 PM »
Holy shit.    How the fuck?

They've been doing a bunch of renovation recently, seems like it could be related to that.

Still, whether it was an accident or intentional, this is absolutely devastating to see. :fbm
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2019, 02:32:22 PM »
This is unbelievable.  Tragic.

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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2019, 02:35:35 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2019, 02:51:22 PM »
Varg Vikernes is living in France. Just putting that out there.
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2019, 02:56:00 PM »
Tragic!

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2019, 03:01:48 PM »
Goddamn.
Gotta be honest, if i was the guy who took a smoke break where they shouldn't have, i'd probably be jumping in a vat of acid right now.

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2019, 03:06:38 PM »
CBS has a pretty good view of the fire right now:

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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2019, 03:08:14 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2019, 03:10:13 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2019, 03:18:49 PM »
We still have Chartres, right guys?

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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2019, 04:01:11 PM »
Some construction company's insurance company is sweating bullets right now.
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2019, 04:31:54 PM »
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1117840292986490880

i knew it wouldn't be long till someone used this as a way to express that this represents the fall of western values

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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2019, 04:33:01 PM »
That... does not look good.



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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2019, 04:36:15 PM »
how the fuck did it catch fire anyways? It is easter season so that means lots of heated incense. Maybe it was that.

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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2019, 04:38:14 PM »
That... does not look good.


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Is the fire brigade on strike or something.

At this point they might as well send in the flying water tankers.
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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2019, 04:50:55 PM »
They were on the roof trying to get it out. The materials are probably highly flammable.

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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2019, 04:51:58 PM »
how the fuck did it catch fire anyways? It is easter season so that means lots of heated incense. Maybe it was that.

Wouldn't surprise me if we don't know for a while.

I'm really hoping it was accidental.
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« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2019, 04:52:12 PM »
I really hope it was an accident and not arson. It would really bum me out if there were someone out there malicious enough to destroy history like that.

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« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2019, 04:55:43 PM »
I was just thinking if this was an islamic terrorist act, things will get even more tense. France seems to be a common radical Islam target and if this was done on purpose....

For all of our sakes I hope this is accidental.

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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2019, 04:59:15 PM »
Notre Dame is one of the busiest places in Paris.
Arson during the middle of the day is incredibly unlikely.

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« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2019, 05:11:41 PM »
They don't think it's terrorism yet, usually if there's even an inkling of that they'll be blasting it out all over the media immediately. A lot of old wood built around soft metal.

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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2019, 05:23:34 PM »
Someone farted near a candle. Happens all the time.

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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2019, 07:41:23 PM »
Venetian cathedrals >>>>

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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2019, 10:00:22 PM »
The towers are safe at least.
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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2019, 10:16:52 PM »
The towers are safe at least.


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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2019, 06:22:22 AM »
I hate how everything  is a meme now.

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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2019, 06:42:21 AM »
I hate social media in general.

In the past few weeks:

- Sekiro needs an easy mode, THIS IS TOO HARD THINK OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES SAME WITH BABA IS YOU
- IT’S a crime how people are treating joe biden like this!!!
- GAME OF THRONES NEEDS PEOPLE OF COLOR YES I KNOW IT’S THE FINAL SEASON, NO I DO NOT CARE THAT THE SETTING IS MOSTLY IN WESTEROS cue four to five articles bombarding my fucking Facebook from uppity black sjws who think everything should be about black people
- then we get yesterday: IM SPECIAL AND AM HAPPY THAT AN 800 year old PIECE OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT iS bURning To The GroUnd
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I miss when I could just watch shit on the news or read about it in a newspaper and make up my own mind rather than constantly be bombarded with dog shit.

Time for an internet break.

Welcome to the modern world: where everyone gets a laugh as the world burns

Thank fuck it’s baseball season. Yesterday mlb honored Jackie Robinson. Finally something comforting.
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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2019, 07:01:47 AM »
Agreed, Cindi.

I'm not religious in the slightest, not from Paris (and cares for it very little), yet seeing a centuries-old amazing piece of history and architecture from the motherland get ravaged by flames in a few hours is quite disconcerting.

So the whole "look at me I'm an edgy 14yo kickstarting the meme-machine within minutes for internet brownie points" makes me eyes roll really, really hard.

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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2019, 07:21:07 AM »
there is already 300 million+ being pledged by billionaires to rebuild this. it will be around for generations to come. im not immune to sorrow for the destruction of symbols, but this by all accounts is just a sad, expensive mistake. i did feel pretty gutted every time i read about some irreplaceable ancient site in the middle east destroyed out of pure malice over the past 5 years though.
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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2019, 07:58:16 AM »
Rebuilding it isn't the same. Not that it hadn't been added to/renovated/rebuilt over centuries anyway.

You can't just...rebuild something from the 1100s and act like it's the same thing, ya know?

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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2019, 08:41:18 AM »
Rebuilding it isn't the same. Not that it hadn't been added to/renovated/rebuilt over centuries anyway.

You can't just...rebuild something from the 1100s and act like it's the same thing, ya know?

I mean renovation is basically the same, we often approach those things (or works of art like paintings) as if their state were definitely settled once and for all at inception but there's a lot of upkeep and maintenance going into those things including substituting older worn out elements for newer materials. The Reims cathedral is gorgeous in its current state and it sustained heavier damage in WW1 than Notre Dame. Some of the iconic parts were only added recently. The stone structure survived though I guess they would need to survey if it suffered from the heat. Most of the art pieces were evacuated and no major casualty to people was sustained.

I'm sure things were lost but it's part and parcel of human life. Ultimately this will be salvaged, unlike some of the archeological sites that were destroyed in Syria not that long ago.
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« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2019, 08:45:32 AM »
Agreed. Theseus ship principle yo.
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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2019, 09:31:05 AM »
Don't worry guys, Fox News is on the case:

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GLENN BECK (HOST): If this was arson, this is going to be bad. If this was arson of any foreign -- kind of -- any foreign entity, any -- anybody with a grudge, I think if -- if, and this is a huge if -- it might have just been started by a cigarette. We don't know. But if this was started by Islamists, I don't think you'll find out about it, because I think it would set the entire country on fire.

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This is their World Trade Center moment, and if this was done by terrorists, I think that they will keep it quiet, because -- I just don't think Macron and France wants that internal fight.

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MARK STEYN: Christendom is in retreat in Europe, and in France particularly - France has actually quite an aggressive belief in secularism and according to some polls, the French are even by the standards of the modern Western world among the most Godless people in that sense. Three years ago, in that terrible summer that began with the Nice truck killings, when it seemed as if the entire French state was unraveling, I went to Rouen cathedral for the funeral of Hamel, the French priest who had his throat cut at mass. And I went to the basilica of Saint-Denis, which is in the north of Paris where the French kings are buried.

And basically is a Christian museum in the heart of what is now a Muslim suburb in effect. There is no sense of Christianity outside of the walls of that cathedral. And it was after that that I went to then Notre Dame because you do have the sense that a living, breathing faith is just becoming actually a museum. An art gallery. A storage facility. And the French who were on the streets in tears this evening, on the streets of Paris - I don't think they're mourning just history or architecture or art or culture. They are mourning something else. But what that something else post-Christian France can't quite identify it. That's really the conundrum. When Monsieur Macron says we're going to rebuild it - rebuild it for what? When people talk about oh the heart of France has died - what is in the soul of France? What is this? Is it just the building or something more?
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« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2019, 10:09:33 AM »
Rebuilding it isn't the same. Not that it hadn't been added to/renovated/rebuilt over centuries anyway.

You can't just...rebuild something from the 1100s and act like it's the same thing, ya know?
To be serious for once in this thread, you would be surprised at the reconstruction efforts put on display after WWII. That, and just how “thorough” renovations are for historical buildings.

While it sucks, just as naff said, you can be sure that it will be rebuilt in some uncanny fashion through $$$.

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« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2019, 10:15:48 AM »
There's already 600m euros of donations promised by billionaires and major groups. The biggest oak trader in France will help in nature but says there might not be enough stock as of now.

And to comment on something upthread, French Civil Security commented that air drops (from copters) would have been dangerous because the weight of water can be a strain on structures. I'm not sure there were any nearby anyway (certainly not planes).

The air photos were impressive but really it's the wood roof that burned in a spectacular fashion.
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« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2019, 10:48:46 AM »
even though it's rebuilt, in another few hundred years it will be a vintage again

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« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2019, 10:50:59 AM »
even though it's rebuilt, in another few hundred years it will be a vintage again

Really makes you think.
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« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2019, 10:51:18 AM »
I mean sure, it will likely be "as good as new" in the end, superficially speaking.

Still, it went through centuries pretty much unscathed, including two word wars that saw the complete destruction of entire towns. The worst damage it ever suffered was during the Revolution, and that was mostly pillaging and status being defaced (or I should say, beheaded) as they mistook them for depicting kings, lolz. It never really saw any major changes or refurbishing either.

So it's pretty sad that the worst to ever happen to it was an unfortunate accident - while it was being renovated, no less.

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« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2019, 11:01:41 AM »
Don't worry guys, Fox News is on the case:

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GLENN BECK (HOST): If this was arson, this is going to be bad. If this was arson of any foreign -- kind of -- any foreign entity, any -- anybody with a grudge, I think if -- if, and this is a huge if -- it might have just been started by a cigarette. We don't know. But if this was started by Islamists, I don't think you'll find out about it, because I think it would set the entire country on fire.

...

This is their World Trade Center moment, and if this was done by terrorists, I think that they will keep it quiet, because -- I just don't think Macron and France wants that internal fight.

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MARK STEYN: Christendom is in retreat in Europe, and in France particularly - France has actually quite an aggressive belief in secularism and according to some polls, the French are even by the standards of the modern Western world among the most Godless people in that sense. Three years ago, in that terrible summer that began with the Nice truck killings, when it seemed as if the entire French state was unraveling, I went to Rouen cathedral for the funeral of Hamel, the French priest who had his throat cut at mass. And I went to the basilica of Saint-Denis, which is in the north of Paris where the French kings are buried.

And basically is a Christian museum in the heart of what is now a Muslim suburb in effect. There is no sense of Christianity outside of the walls of that cathedral. And it was after that that I went to then Notre Dame because you do have the sense that a living, breathing faith is just becoming actually a museum. An art gallery. A storage facility. And the French who were on the streets in tears this evening, on the streets of Paris - I don't think they're mourning just history or architecture or art or culture. They are mourning something else. But what that something else post-Christian France can't quite identify it. That's really the conundrum. When Monsieur Macron says we're going to rebuild it - rebuild it for what? When people talk about oh the heart of France has died - what is in the soul of France? What is this? Is it just the building or something more?

Normal Person: “Gee, I hope it was just an accident.”

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« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2019, 02:07:23 PM »
Rebuilding it isn't the same. Not that it hadn't been added to/renovated/rebuilt over centuries anyway.

You can't just...rebuild something from the 1100s and act like it's the same thing, ya know?
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« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2019, 04:14:14 PM »
More than I thought possible survived.

https://i.imgur.com/fhQYRY3.gifv

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« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2019, 05:36:07 PM »
More than I thought possible survived.

https://i.imgur.com/fhQYRY3.gifv

It helped a lot that the interior is very open [with very, very high ceilings] and the walls are mostly stone. Kept the bulk of the fire up high away from ground-level objects that would have been completely destroyed in a conventional building.

Edit: Looks like there were also stone domes underneath the wooden roof [some seem to have collapsed, but others did not]:

https://twitter.com/incunabula/status/1118238387117481985
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