Corona Thread |OT| Nu variant, who dis?

[Ghoul]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52178501

'Netanyahu announces Passover lockdown'

Guess they are bringing the holiday back to its roots.

bruh.

[OnlyRegret]

I was watching some Kudlow interviews from the end of February. He said the virus was "fully contained" and "airtight"   Just so much wishful thinking. Starting to wonder if we need more autonomous bureaucracies that are given a sole mandate and can't interact with the political part of the administration. Like the FBI. Recallable only by will of congress. Does that violate the constitution?

Deepstate huh

[VomKriege]

If you believe China is making up its numbers and covering up deaths, why would it report a spike in new cases rather than just cover those up, too

I think Italy, Spain and most other countries following the same curve is good evidence that China's numbers (which they gave with having no point of reference) are representative. I think we'll see that Western countries plateau longer before decreasing, which would be consistent with more lenient lockdowns.

Maybe they lied on the numbers but not on the trends. Let's assume this is true : Why have half a cover up ? If I had to speculate : it would be a major international scandal, blow to their credibility and possibly trigger sanctions if that thing turned into a global outbreak and it became nakedly apparent that China bullshitted the WHO and fed them useless, inaccurate scientific information. If their experts are competent (and why wouldn't they ?) they probably realized at some point that disrupting the Lunar New Year festivities and a lockdown of a visible region was a looming possibility and that the whole world would have noticed.

My (limited) understanding of China is that they probably act in good faith and play the game with multilateral organisations at least up to a point. It makes sense both from an ideological perspective and as a counterpoint to the USA. It's hard to discount wholesale that they could and would minimize a catastrophe though I think there's maybe some prejudice at play when some immediately assume that fatalities must be horrendous, as if China was not up to First World standards.

[Mr Gilhaney]

BOJO is in intensive care now...

So the Russian newspapers were right in the end. Legends

[OnlyRegret]

The media and state do a good job of developing a reflexive sinosceptic response. I mean compare and contrast when people shared Chinese nurses doing a sorta motivational dance to when perfidious albions did the same.

[Madrun Badrun]

If you believe China is making up its numbers and covering up deaths, why would it report a spike in new cases rather than just cover those up, too

I think Italy, Spain and most other countries following the same curve is good evidence that China's numbers (which they gave with no point of reference) are representative.

Maybe, but the issue is that it could just be a scaled-down version of their true data with the same curve. 

[OnlyRegret]

Boris is only 55 

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1247241845387735043

[VomKriege]

If you believe China is making up its numbers and covering up deaths, why would it report a spike in new cases rather than just cover those up, too

I think Italy, Spain and most other countries following the same curve is good evidence that China's numbers (which they gave with no point of reference) are representative.

Maybe, but the issue is that it could just be a scaled-down version of their true data with the same curve.

Maybe, maybe not. Finding out isn't exactly a priority at the moment for anyone though and it's pretty immaterial to every national efforts to keep this under control.
There's some controversies around the scientific data given and the quality of medical supplies they're shipping but overall the impression is that China gave ample warning and that the blame for lack of preparedness lies on the countries caught with their pants down late February / early March.

[Uncle]

missed the reports about the number of urns of the dead signifying a much higher death toll?

[Madrun Badrun]

No, but the urns are not really solid evidence. 

If you believe China is making up its numbers and covering up deaths, why would it report a spike in new cases rather than just cover those up, too

I think Italy, Spain and most other countries following the same curve is good evidence that China's numbers (which they gave with no point of reference) are representative.

Maybe, but the issue is that it could just be a scaled-down version of their true data with the same curve.

Maybe, maybe not. Finding out isn't exactly a priority at the moment for anyone though and it's pretty immaterial to every national efforts to keep this under control.
There's some controversies around the scientific data given and the quality of medical supplies they're shipping but overall the impression is that China gave ample warning and that the blame for lack of preparedness lies on the countries caught with their pants down late February / early March.

Ya, I agree.  I'm hesitant to believe china's numbers but I don't follow the logic that distorting the data puts blame on them.  We could have done a lot better.

[Rufus]

missed the reports about the number of urns of the dead signifying a much higher death toll?

Did anybody ever compare it against deaths around this time last year? They don't just cremate COVID19 deaths, presumably.

[VomKriege]

missed the reports about the number of urns of the dead signifying a much higher death toll?

The strict lockdown put on hold every funeral AFAIK in Hubei or at least Wuhan, including deaths from all other causes, did it not ? Could account for the extra shipment of urns perhaps.

[Uncle]

No, but the urns are not really solid evidence.

how are china's reported numbers solid evidence either

[Propagandhim]

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1247245305583673350


Boris in intensive care now...


Oh, looks like I'm late.

[OnlyRegret]

Boris is only 55 

he's also fat as shit

Huh, so he is. Never got a look at a full body shot, only saw his mug in articles.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/06/hospital-admission-puts-new-focus-on-boris-johnsons-health

Sonia Purnell, author of Just Boris: A Tale of Blond Ambition, said that the prime minister’s usual wellbeing was striking. “By and large, he is remarkably fit considering he is actually a bit overweight,” she said. “He’s not really that active, his runs aren’t very long or very energetic and he is very fond of cheese. In fact, he likes eating a lot – nothing wrong with that – but he does have a very robust constitution. In the time I’ve known him since the 90s, illness has never really come up.”

 

In December 2018, when Johnson was foreign secretary, he said in the Spectator that he weighed 16 and a half stone

What's with these stupid measurements

[team filler]

BOJO is in intensive care now...

a true brexit is about to be achieved 

[Fifstar]

If you believe China is making up its numbers and covering up deaths, why would it report a spike in new cases rather than just cover those up, too

It's not really a spike, it's a logarithmic scale so there is barely anything happening.
I think one theory is that China has only been reporting new cases from people entering the country

[Ghoul]

Boris is only 55 

he's also fat as shit

also did a lot of coke...

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1247243999066406915

[Ghoul]

The British Empire lolz

When people say white people don't like spice I point to the British Empire that invaded lands for spices...

[Joe Molotov]

The British Empire lolz

When people say white people don't like spice I point to the British Empire that invaded lands for spices...

Have you seen what they eat over there? I don't blame em.

[Madrun Badrun]

Just a personal anecdote, but I am very worried that the bore's like-economy is going into a recession and I request a mod bailout. 

[VomKriege]

It's not really a spike, it's a logarithmic scale so there is barely anything happening.
I think one theory is that China has only been reporting new cases from people entering the country

The area under the curve of that increase is like 350 people! But I agree that compared to 80k total cases that isn't much.

Anyway if there are a bunch of cases happening in secret why have all the lockdowns been lifted for two weeks now (and Wuhan had it lifted recently)? Wouldn't they be keeping the lockdown and then lying about new cases?

Didn't they reopen movie theaters before closing them in short order ? Don't take my word on that, but I think I saw that bit of news... And the lockdown in Wuhan has barely ended / is still transitioning out, right ? Maybe they're being extra cautious and doing their due diligence...

[VomKriege]

Just a personal anecdote, but I am very worried that the bore's like-economy is going into a recession and I request a mod bailout.

D3RANG3D already started with the quantitative easing in the sh!tthread. Like economy has never been better !

[Ghoul]

The British Empire lolz

When people say white people don't like spice I point to the British Empire that invaded lands for spices...

Have you seen what they eat over there? I don't blame em.

Jelly eels and mash and liqueur snot? BRITISH AS FUCK. Living in London it is good as it's a melting pot (used to be) for food now at least...

[Madrun Badrun]

I'd give you a like, Vom, but I'm not sure if I'm going to need it or not in a month, so I'm just going to save it for now. 

[Mandark]

I'd give you a like, Vom, but I'm not sure if I'm going to need it or not in a month, so I'm just going to save it for now.

Like-uidity trap.

[Madrun Badrun]

OK that was good.  Here have Vom's like. 

So first they said boris was in the hospital as a precaution.... when there is nothing to be done in a hospital for corona besides getting hooked up to the vent, and now he's in the ICU as a precaution. One does have to wonder what exactly he is doing in there, as a precaution.

Ya if he's in the icu there is something concerning.  I wonder if they had to make a third completely sperate area in the hospital just for him since he's a vip.  TBH hope he gets better, he's not one of the people I want to die. 

[VomKriege]

French Minister of Health promised a "massive test campaign" for at risk demographics. Good. I'll believe it when they'll start proper.

[Madrun Badrun]

James made the wrong bet. 

[TEEEPO]

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1212679425629859840

[thisismyusername]

BOJO is in intensive care now...

Bojo about to break out Star NHS and come back.
ゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴ

[who is ted danson?]

Fuck, Dominic Raab filling in for BoJo. Last guy you want making decisions in a situation like his. Dude is gonna euthanize poor Bozza.

https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1109110453073047553

[Madrun Badrun]

Also if it's a precaution, it seems strange that they waited until night time to do it.

[Tasty]

i don't want to suck china's dick too hard here but maybe you guys are just experiencing a lot of cognitive dissonance that a country of a billion poor ass rice farmers who allegedly eat bats was able to mobilize its resources and effectively contain/suppress the outbreak while the apex civilizations are still squabbling over distribution of masks and constitutional rights.

The benefits of totalitarianism are tempting, but must be rejected.

[BisMarckie]

I don’t trust shosty per se, so who knows? We may never find out.

[Propagandhim]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1247254690481549312


Yeesh.  Of those admitted to the ICU, those that fit Johnson's profile : 45.8% - 57.6% die. 

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1247243903855661061

[BisMarckie]

Boris is a buffoon, but man, nobody deserves to die this horrible death. 

[Mandark]

shosta, you brought up china's stats to compare them to south korea's (which are both rather low), so if there's some fudging of the numbers it doesn't have to be on a huge scale to be relevant to the point you were making

[Madrun Badrun]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1247254690481549312


Yeesh.  Of those admitted to the ICU, those that fit Johnson's profile : 45.8% - 57.6% die. 

TBH I think most of those people would not have had doctors constantly monitoring them and probably wouldn't even have made it to a hospital bed before moving to the ICU, which will skew the stats towards dying. 

[Propagandhim]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1247254690481549312


Yeesh.  Of those admitted to the ICU, those that fit Johnson's profile : 45.8% - 57.6% die. 

TBH I think most of those people would not have had doctors constantly monitoring them and probably wouldn't even have made it to a hospital bed before moving to the ICU, which will skew the stats towards dying.

Right.  Adding to the likely possibility that they put him in the ICU despite not being sick enough because of his political status.  Could be wrong, though.

[Madrun Badrun]

We will be at over a million active cases by tonight.  US is already over 1000 today.  Canada had another bad day, and going by cbc numbers, tomorrow will be bad too.   

[thisismyusername]

They're saying both the nature of the virus and long-distance public transportation across prefectures could be devastating to the country if they continue down this path.

Older rural population of Japan be like "do it, bring our kids back to us. "

[Madrun Badrun]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1247254690481549312


Yeesh.  Of those admitted to the ICU, those that fit Johnson's profile : 45.8% - 57.6% die. 

TBH I think most of those people would not have had doctors constantly monitoring them and probably wouldn't even have made it to a hospital bed before moving to the ICU, which will skew the stats towards dying.

Right.  Adding to the likely possibility that they put him in the ICU despite not being sick enough because of his political status.  Could be wrong, though.

There is a big difference between not being sick enough and being privileged in a time when everyone is under-resourced.  I'm sure if he is in an icu, he would also be in an icu if no one else was sick. 

[VomKriege]

Oh wow you're right. You are sucking that ChiCom dick hard.

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My earnest opinion : China numbers are accurate until proven otherwise.


To be honest I don't care much for the constant comments everywhere about they're covering up the numbers, man ! Not just China, but Iran, Japan and every other country. It's not healthy skepticism most of the time IMHO.

Still, governments lie. Authoritarian regimes lie. Marxist Leninist Popular Democracies lie. Massive health crisis are minimised all the time, even if it's more incompetence than malice. And even with some sympathy for China, I certainly believe they have better control over the means to do so than liberal countries.

[close]

[Madrun Badrun]

It's strange that while everyone is getting Wuhan flu, Shosta gets Yellow fever. 

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1247254690481549312


Yeesh.  Of those admitted to the ICU, those that fit Johnson's profile : 45.8% - 57.6% die.

Things skew poorly for him since he has multiple negative factors (middle aged, male, obese).
Bear in mind the obese mortality is pulled up by men and down by women. As well as up by the 50+ demographic and down by the under 50s.

Therefore male+obese+older likely has a higher mortality rate than any one category.
I don't know much about his politics, but it was always good for a laugh to happen upon stuff 

[Madrun Badrun]

It will be intresting to see how many data gathering methods remain in effect in China for the comming years.

[OnlyRegret]

If any mass death was actually happening, we'd know about. Can only cover up so much when you have oh so many places for things to leak. Millions of individuals with global communications access.
Understated, possibly, this virus seems way too contagious to be put away easily. Cover up debates is mainly geopolitical dick thrusts between the American state with its (media) subsidiaries and opponents.

[Mandark]

also how you gonna quote vom asking a question and write a paragraph without ever answering it

the answer fwiw is yes

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/soapachu/status/1246793653294686208

[OnlyRegret]

Checked Worldometer, Finland is indeed currently at -1 for the day

[Occam]

US blocks millions of N95 face masks headed for Canada

“Never again in the history of Canada should we ever be beholden to countries around the world or companies around the world for the safety and well-being for the people of Canada,” Ford said Friday. ”I’m not going to rely on President Trump, I’m not going to rely on any prime minister or president from any country ever again.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/us-blocks-face-masks-canada-n95-protection-equipment

[Tasty]

”I’m not going to rely on President Trump, I’m not going to rely on any prime minister or president from any country ever again.”

Cucked

[Potato]

i don't want to suck china's dick too hard here but maybe you guys are just experiencing a lot of cognitive dissonance that a country of a billion poor ass rice farmers who allegedly eat bats was able to mobilize its resources and effectively contain/suppress the outbreak while the apex civilizations are still squabbling over distribution of masks and constitutional rights.

Why is it so hard to believe that a totalitarian regime that routinely makes whole groups of people disappear is also probably not reporting on the number of deaths being caused by a virus that originated in said totalitarianism regime?

[OnlyRegret]

And related to all things China

https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-call-for-the-resignation-of-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-who-director-general

[Nintex]

Hopefully Boris takes some of that magic malaria drug and it works and he recovers.
To echo the prophet of our times, "What does he have to lose?"

Still it would be a fitting but sad end to his story arc.


Also you can't trust the Russians with much but you can trust them when it comes to reports of the health of world leaders.
They are seldom wrong when it comes to that and usually the first to report on it.

[ToxicAdam]

Just a personal anecdote, but I am very worried that the bore's like-economy is going into a recession and I request a mod bailout. 

The more worrisome aspect is there is no backup plan if filler gets sick.