Corona Thread |OT| Nu variant, who dis?

[Tripon]

The Whites are at it again.jpg



https://www.yahoo.com/news/open-immediately-wisconsinites-head-bars-115226028.html

After the Wisconsin Supreme Court struck down the state's stay-at-home order, which immediately lifted restrictions on businesses and gatherings, some bars opened their doors (and taps) Wednesday night as patrons began trickling out.

The ruling applied to Gov. Tony Evers' statewide order to lock down Wisconsin amid the public health emergency of the coronavirus pandemic. Evers intended to keep the order in place until May 26. However, localities are still imposing and extending their own stay-at-home orders, meaning not all businesses in the state may immediately open.

Photos showed small gatherings of Wisconsinites out at bars and restaurants shortly after the ruling came down, while some establishments posted on social media they were staying closed.

What bars in Wisconsin were like Wednesday night
More than a dozen people had flocked to State Street Pub in Green Bay by 7 p.m. Wednesday. Owner Tera Hansen chose to open as soon as she could, and people started dropping in without any kind of announcement on social media.

At Lenny's Tap, about a mile and a half away, four employees wearing masks served about 20 patrons who stopped by for a drink. Owner Marty Leonhard said the bar's beer distributor had already delivered two shipments by 8 p.m.

Nick's, a bar in Platteville, posted a photo and video on Twitter of two dozen or so patrons at the bar.

https://twitter.com/nicksonsec/status/1260746591918608386

[Kestastrophe]

MAGAts so starving they're resorting to eating themselves

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/05/fight-erupts-at-michigan-capitol-over-doll-with-a-noose-around-neck.html

[Madrun Badrun]

http://art19.com/shows/high-and-mighty/episodes/a3fafa99-f280-4b10-8536-f0dcb52a03ac

this was a good listen, epsiecally the end.

[Ghoul]

how did NZ deal with this so well...

[Tripon]

SHEPHERD, Texas — When Jamie Williams decided to reopen her East Texas tattoo studio last week in defiance of the state’s coronavirus restrictions, she asked Philip Archibald for help. He showed up with his dog Zeus, his friends and his AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

Archibald established an armed perimeter in the parking lot outside Crash-N-Burn Tattoo, secured by five men with military-style rifles, tactical shotguns, camouflage vests and walkie-talkies. One of them already had a large tattoo of his own. “We the People,” it said.

“I think it should be a business’s right if they want to close or open,” said Archibald, a 29-year-old online fitness trainer from the Dallas area who lately has made it his personal mission to help Texas business owners challenge government orders to keep their doors shut during the coronavirus pandemic. “What is coming to arrest a person who is opening their business according to their constitutional rights? That’s confrontation.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/businesses-chafing-under-covid-19-121824076.html

[Ghoul]

it's an island

then explain UK? Holy fuck Brazil, India and Mexico..... But mainly US.

[Madrun Badrun]

It's an island run by competent people and not next to europe. 

[stufte]

Can Canada just invade us already? I'm ready for the Tim Hortons revolution.

[ToxicAdam]

The equivalent state (in terms to population density) to NZ is Maine.

[Madrun Badrun]

Can Canada just invade us already? I'm ready for the Tim Hortons revolution.

We aren't actually doing that good (unless you exclude Quebec, then we are doing OKish)

[Madrun Badrun]

I'm pretty sure he is right at the US being at 100K deaths now.  I'm pretty sure reporting is not all accurate.  Do all states report care home deaths?  Also, I read that Flordia doesn't report covid deaths unless there is an actual test done, even when the symptoms are clearly covid.   

And the sad thing was that the lockdown was working. 

[Mandark]

Grand re-opening, grand closing.

[Tuckers Law]

KN95’s we’re supposed to wear at my job when interacting with clients don’t fit well enough on my face, leading to my nose frequently being exposed if I ever move my jaw from a close-mouthed position. 

[Tripon]

KN95’s we’re supposed to wear at my job when interacting with clients don’t fit well enough on my face, leading to my nose frequently being exposed if I ever move my jaw from a close-mouthed position. 

Check if it's made by a company that's FDA approved. The FDA did a clean up recently because so many companies were claiming their masks were KN95s when in reality, they were blocking as low as 35% particulates which would be lower than a regular cloth mask.

[Bebpo]

https://twitter.com/_parisimone/status/1260766954413076487

I feel like this whole pandemic is just giving comedy/satire writers the perfect script for the next zombie movie.

Zombie invasion? Hey the bars are open let's all go out and hang there.

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Yes, I know Shaun of the Dead sorta did this already

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[Nintex]

We go to the Winchester grab a pint and wait for all this to blow over.

I hear big Al's got a shotgun behind the bar.

[Madrun Badrun]

Favorite part was 2 of the 3 employees shown with their mask on their chins.

If other people are not willing to protect you from them why would you protect them from yourself?

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1261013685641908232

I don't think Trump understand his low poll numbers are because people think he's doing a bad job, not that people blame him that coronavirus exists.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1261032562912354304

[Occam]

I legit don't think he understands that you aren't safe forever if you test negative. He seems genuinely baffled that someone could be negative one day and positive the next day and blames it on testing because he doesn't understand any of it.

It's almost like he is a moron.

[stufte]

Stufte, did your daughter recover? How'd the rest of your family avoid catching it?

I got it soon after she did. I tested positive, but my wife and youngest either avoided it or were asymptomatic. We are all fine now, except that my voice is still gone from all the coughing.

[Occam]

Was your sense of taste/smell gone completely? How long did it take to come back?

[Tripon]

no bore members dyin' of the cabrona

James. 

[Madrun Badrun]

[stufte]

No I never lost my sense of smell, and I can still taste the full oaky flavor of the schlongs.

[Tripon]

A patient battling COVID-19 in Florida admits that he used to believe the pandemic was being blown out of proportion. But, after he and his wife were hospitalized with serious infections, he’s urging people to take coronavirus seriously.

“I don’t want to see anybody go through what I went through,” Brian Lee Hitchens, a ride-share driver in Jupiter, Florida, told WPTV-TV in West Palm Beach in an interview from his hospital bed. “This wasn’t some scare tactic that anybody was using. It wasn’t some made-up thing. This is a real virus that you’ve got to take serious.”

Just last month, Hitchens said he was skeptical about coronavirus and didn’t think the crisis was real.

“I thought it was maybe the government trying something, and it was kind of like they threw it out there to kinda distract us,” he told the TV station.

“I’d get up in the morning and pray and trust in God for his protection, and I’d just leave it at that. There were all these masks and gloves. I thought it looks like a hysteria,” he added.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/florida-man-brian-hitchens-coronavirus-warning-001955197.html

[Tripon]

[Occam]

Respiratory droplets created during ordinary conversation can hang in the air for up to 14 minutes, a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found. That may help explain how asymptomatic people can infect others.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/05/12/2006874117


Outside of your home, masks should be mandatory everywhere.

[Bebpo]

Respiratory droplets created during ordinary conversation can hang in the air for up to 14 minutes, a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found. That may help explain how asymptomatic people can infect others.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/05/12/2006874117


Outside of your home, masks should be mandatory everywhere.

Well that would be incredibly bad.

[Occam]

Why? It would prevent most new infections.
Those countries where everyone is wearing masks while outside have the lowest infection rates. This isn't exactly a shocking revelation.

[Bebpo]

No, I meant if this thing was airborne for 14 mins whenever anyone talked. Past studies had said it wasn't airborne at all outside of the 3 hour thing when aerosol'd in labs.

If it's airborne then basically the world is even more fucked.

[Ghoul]

A patient battling COVID-19 in Florida admits that he used to believe the pandemic was being blown out of proportion. But, after he and his wife were hospitalized with serious infections, he’s urging people to take coronavirus seriously.

“I don’t want to see anybody go through what I went through,” Brian Lee Hitchens, a ride-share driver in Jupiter, Florida, told WPTV-TV in West Palm Beach in an interview from his hospital bed. “This wasn’t some scare tactic that anybody was using. It wasn’t some made-up thing. This is a real virus that you’ve got to take serious.”

Just last month, Hitchens said he was skeptical about coronavirus and didn’t think the crisis was real.

“I thought it was maybe the government trying something, and it was kind of like they threw it out there to kinda distract us,” he told the TV station.

“I’d get up in the morning and pray and trust in God for his protection, and I’d just leave it at that. There were all these masks and gloves. I thought it looks like a hysteria,” he added.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/florida-man-brian-hitchens-coronavirus-warning-001955197.html

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Damn Violent J got hit pretty hard huh? lol.

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-barber-cutting-hair-illicitly-during-lockdown-tests-positive-n1207076

 

[Ghoul]

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/ambiej/status/1261016361175855104

[Ghoul]

Posted that in late stage, pretty dark tbh.

[Leadbelly]

I'm hoping the mortality rate isn't as high as his estimate. It will be a real problem if or when the second wave comes.

[team filler]

second wave 



 

[Leadbelly]

The UK had an explicit policy of letting as many people get infected as they can as quickly as possible

I will point out actually. This isn't true. The UK had a mitigation strategy. The purpose was not 'herd immunity' this was a miscommunication. Herd immunity was a side-effect of the mitigation strategy. One believed to be beneficial in the long run.

Sweden has a very similar strategy as the UK originally had.

[BisMarckie]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-slovenia/slovenia-calls-an-end-to-its-coronavirus-epidemic-relaxes-some-border-controls-idUSKBN22R02B

First the Yugoslav War and now Corona-Chan, Slovenia best Balkan country confirmed.

[Tripon]

The UK had an explicit policy of letting as many people get infected as they can as quickly as possible

I will point out actually. This isn't true. The UK had a mitigation strategy. The purpose was not 'herd immunity' this was a miscommunication. Herd immunity was a side-effect of the mitigation strategy. One believed to be beneficial in the long run.

Sweden has a very similar strategy as the UK originally had.

https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1238390547783528448

March 13th.

[Leadbelly]

The UK had an explicit policy of letting as many people get infected as they can as quickly as possible

I will point out actually. This isn't true. The UK had a mitigation strategy. The purpose was not 'herd immunity' this was a miscommunication. Herd immunity was a side-effect of the mitigation strategy. One believed to be beneficial in the long run.

Sweden has a very similar strategy as the UK originally had.

https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1238390547783528448

March 13th.

It's not playing for some reason, but I get the point by the caption. What do you think you are hearing in this?

'Reduce the peak' is the key point. The UK had a mitigation strategy not a policy to let as many people get infected as quickly as possible. That was not the purpose of the strategy. The purpose of the strategy was to mitigate the effects of the virus. To try and control the amount of people infected by the virus and to protect the most vulnerable. The consequence was a lot more people over time would be infected, which they believed would be beneficial in the long run. I will mention that they did clarify this a number of times. The purpose wasn't to let the virus loose through the population.

And the reason they did a u-turn on it was because of Neil Ferguson's model that modelled a mitigation strategy, a suppression strategy and no strategy. His model showed that a mitigation strategy might cost 250,000 lives and no strategy at all would cost 500,000 lives.

I will also mention actually, as I have already done a number of times already, early on in fact. It didn't come from Boris Johnson, no matter how much of a buffoon you think he is, it came from the scientific advisers. In much the same way, Sweden's strategy didn't come from the Swedish politicians, it came from the scientific advisers.

[Ghoul]

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1261287057961504769

[Tripon]

The UK had an explicit policy of letting as many people get infected as they can as quickly as possible

I will point out actually. This isn't true. The UK had a mitigation strategy. The purpose was not 'herd immunity' this was a miscommunication. Herd immunity was a side-effect of the mitigation strategy. One believed to be beneficial in the long run.

Sweden has a very similar strategy as the UK originally had.

https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1238390547783528448

March 13th.

It's not playing for some reason, but I get the point by the caption. What do you think you are hearing in this?

'Reduce the peak' is the key point. The UK had a mitigation strategy not a policy to let as many people get infected as quickly as possible. That was not the purpose of the strategy. The purpose of the strategy was to mitigate the effects of the virus. To try and control the amount of people infected by the virus and to protect the most vulnerable. The consequence was a lot more people over time would be infected, which they believed would be beneficial in the long run. I will mention that they did clarify this a number of times. The purpose wasn't to let the virus loose through the population.

And the reason they did a u-turn on it was because of Neil Ferguson's model that modelled a mitigation strategy, a suppression strategy and no strategy. His model showed that a mitigation strategy might cost 250,000 lives and no strategy at all would cost 500,000 lives.

I will also mention actually, as I have already done a number of times already, early on in fact. It didn't come from Boris Johnson, no matter how much of a buffoon you think he is, it came from the scientific advisers. In much the same way, Sweden's strategy didn't come from the Swedish politicians, it came from the scientific advisers.

Dude, he literally says the words herd immunity.

[team filler]

 

[Madrun Badrun]

While Covid-19 is a different kind of disease, with a much lower mortality rate, the dramatic socio-economic ramifications of the pandemic raise an important question: could the crisis end up playing a similar role for the late-modern world as the Black Death did for the late-medieval one?

Will this pandemic, too, remake the world as we know it?

 

I doubt anything will really change other than our willingness to shut down borders at the first signs of issues and 'medical' surveillance in public areas. 

[CatsCatsCats]

It should though. People should be seeing these gaping holes in our society and figuring out how to reshape it in ways that plug them and plug them tight

[Leadbelly]

The UK had an explicit policy of letting as many people get infected as they can as quickly as possible

I will point out actually. This isn't true. The UK had a mitigation strategy. The purpose was not 'herd immunity' this was a miscommunication. Herd immunity was a side-effect of the mitigation strategy. One believed to be beneficial in the long run.

Sweden has a very similar strategy as the UK originally had.

https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1238390547783528448

March 13th.

It's not playing for some reason, but I get the point by the caption. What do you think you are hearing in this?

'Reduce the peak' is the key point. The UK had a mitigation strategy not a policy to let as many people get infected as quickly as possible. That was not the purpose of the strategy. The purpose of the strategy was to mitigate the effects of the virus. To try and control the amount of people infected by the virus and to protect the most vulnerable. The consequence was a lot more people over time would be infected, which they believed would be beneficial in the long run. I will mention that they did clarify this a number of times. The purpose wasn't to let the virus loose through the population.

And the reason they did a u-turn on it was because of Neil Ferguson's model that modelled a mitigation strategy, a suppression strategy and no strategy. His model showed that a mitigation strategy might cost 250,000 lives and no strategy at all would cost 500,000 lives.

I will also mention actually, as I have already done a number of times already, early on in fact. It didn't come from Boris Johnson, no matter how much of a buffoon you think he is, it came from the scientific advisers. In much the same way, Sweden's strategy didn't come from the Swedish politicians, it came from the scientific advisers.

Dude, he literally says the words herd immunity.

Right. And most experts right now are literally saying the words 'herd immunity'. The virus isn't going away until there is herd immunity. Pretty much most experts agree on this point.

Obviously context matters right? And the context is, the UK decided on a mitigation strategy with the purpose of mitigating the spread of the virus. The other option was trying to 'suppress' the virus with a total lockdown. The UK originally decided on the former. The reason, as you already know was because it allowed for a 'degree' of herd immunity. The purpose of the strategy wasn't for instance to let the virus ravage through the population. And this was what people were hearing with the mention of 'herd immunity'. Partly because of the way it was presented. An this is why the government clarified what was meant by that.

[Madrun Badrun]

Nah the people who see the holes are the ones who already knew they were there and also the ones that will need to go back to work or starve. 

[team filler]

It should though. People should be seeing these gaping holes in our society and figuring out how to reshape it in ways that plug them and plug them tight

[Madrun Badrun]

The other option was trying to 'suppress' the virus with a total lockdown.

This is completely wrong and what we have been saying for the last 2 months.  A suppression strategy is like South Korea and Taiwan where you have the testing capacity to do contact tracing.  Mitigation strategies are not some binary thing.  The rest of the world took stronger mitigation strategies which included lockdowns early on, the UK and Sweden did not and the numbers are evidence that that was wrong.  The initial UK mitigation strategy was basically to just protect old people and let the rest get it without any real consideration of how this could potentially overwhelm the NHS.  The idea that they should work to get to herd immunity faster was laughable at the time.  Note it's not that herd immunity is laughable, its the idea that in Feb when nothing was in control and there were supply shortages, which still haven't been solved months later, that this should be even a consideration.  You should not be aiming for herd immunity strategies in Feb, nor in Mach, nor May.  They should have done everything they could do to prevent the spread of the virus to everyone not just old people then.  They did not do this solely because of economic considerations, which is and was completely obvious to everyone.  If most people need to get it anyways, the only reason you don't do this as slowly as possible is to protect the economy, or because you have the hospital and supply capacity to do so, which hardly any country has.  The idea that this advice comes from scientists is also completely wrong as it ignores the obvious facts of government and economic pressures as well as why these scientists were picked for the job and why.  Their purpose is to give cover to politicians and it works because of people like you.   

[Leadbelly]

The other option was trying to 'suppress' the virus with a total lockdown.

This is completely wrong and what we have been saying for the last 2 months.  A suppression strategy is like South Korea and Taiwan where you have the testing capacity to do contact tracing.  Mitigation strategies are not some binary thing.  The rest of the world took stronger mitigation strategies which included lockdowns early on, the UK and Sweden did not and the numbers are evidence that that was wrong.  The initial UK mitigation strategy was basically to just protect old people and let the rest get it without any real consideration of how this could potentially overwhelm the NHS.  The idea that they should work to get to herd immunity faster was laughable at the time.  Note it's not that herd immunity is laughable, its the idea that in Feb when nothing was in control and there were supply shortages, which still haven't been solved months later, that this should be even a consideration.  You should not be aiming for herd immunity strategies in Feb, nor in Mach, nor May.  They should have done everything they could do to prevent the spread of the virus to everyone not just old people then.  They did not do this solely because of economic considerations, which is and was completely obvious to everyone.  If most people need to get it anyways, the only reason you don't do this as slowly as possible is to protect the economy, or because you have the hospital and supply capacity to do so, which hardly any country has.  The idea that this advice comes from scientists is also completely wrong as it ignores the obvious facts of government and economic pressures as well as why these scientists were picked for the job and why.  Their purpose is to give cover to politicians and it works because of people like you.

Now we've moved on to semantics. lol

The terminology is what the government and scientists have used to describe these particular strategies. The terminology is what Neil Ferguson used for instance when modelling the two strategies.

And in terms of the strategy coming from scientists, you say it is wrong. Could you show me the evidence of this please?

I mean, I can give you examples of scientists genuinely believing in this strategy. I wouldn't just pull something out of my arse. I'm sure you wouldn't either, would you?

[Mandark]

The UK's policy was to avoid restrictions that other European countries were putting in place, much less the total shutdowns that China etc. imposed. This was all very public at the time.

[Leadbelly]

Just to add:

A Swedish expert talking about this strategy.



Now whether or not it is the right approach, that remains to be seen, but I think there are experts that genuinely believe it is the right approach. It is not some government conspiracy.

[Mandark]

doesn't sweden have a way higher death rate from covid19 than the other nordic countries?

[Leadbelly]

Don't know. The curve is flattening though.

[Great Rumbler]

doesn't sweden have a way higher death rate from covid19 than the other nordic countries?

Sweden   29,207   +625      3,646   +117
Denmark   10,791   +78         537   
Norway   8,206   +10         232   
Finland   6,228   +83         293   +6   

[Mandark]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/finland/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/

yup, not only does sweden have a much higher death rate than its neighbors but its trend is worse

[Mandark]

"So what's the future like?"

"Well, there's a plague. But people are doing some pretty nifty data visualizations with it!"

[Great Rumbler]

Don't know. The curve is flattening though.

more like flatlining lmao