Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Joe Molotov]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2020-ot5-guidance-recommends-quarantining-poliera.178039/post-31770897

The solution to this, then, is two fold. One, take repeat offenses seriously, perhaps even research the poster's history for a history of such things. Two, consistent moderation, the failure of which to remain so, would result in a demod.

 

a secondary moderation team that *solely* goes through moderator actions and adjusting as necessary. A sort of "moderation of the moderators" idea that talks to the team directly to discuss problem posts, bans that look extreme or too light, and I think it may be worth revisiting something like that again.

 

Stop I am dying of laughter.

Oh shit, Internal Affairs is getting involved. This is serious.

[Propagandhim]

A third moderating group that settles disputes between the first two moderating groups.  Please and thank you.

[benjipwns]

It's called the Mod Admiralty.

[benjipwns]

User Banned (2 weeks): engaging in metacommentary and hostility over a series of posts and threads over a number of days

So they banned Ketkat for using the PoliEra thread properly?

[benjipwns]

User warned: ableist slur

Every character on The Walking Dead. Not because of them being evil but because of how horrifying the writing is.

You read my mind lol

My gf and I started the show with the pandemic and they're all such a bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged fucking morons. No wonder they all die. "We're short on ammo" - said by everyone before unloading a full clip on a walker a mile away.

[benjipwns]

they banned her because her empowerment was too fierce for them. They could never tame her.

And they still only gave her two weeks, despite her being a formerly permanently banned member for doxxing, harasssssment, murdering good relations and then spending two weeks modwhining like this.

That's a survivor. Unlike incelsiorlef.

This is why nobody stans for incelsiorlef when we have queens like sabrina (duration pending), Ketkat and Nepenthe.

[nachobro]

guys please excel is focusing on the important issues in these trying times

We can't just cancel a wrestler because he has different political views than us. It's a tweet that he liked, who cares?

Hahahaha

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aew-dynamite-ot2-joindarkorder-up-blood-and-guts-postponed-dynamite-continues-live-shows-with-no-audience.162186/post-31754112

[benjipwns]

Good luck choosing between your two rapists, America. You had your best chance at becoming something better in our lifetimes and you fucked it up completely.

And good on you, Bernie. Screw forcing people to go out and vote amidst this mess.

I hope some of the routine maintenance includes dealing with shit like this.

[benjipwns]

PoliEra tries to get back to normal by...rehashing third party myths:

In Michigan in 2016, Stein got ~50k votes and Trump won by ~10k votes. If Stein wasn't on the ballot, all it would have taken was 1 in 5 green party voters to vote for Clinton instead of staying home. I think the comparable margins in WI and PA were smaller but you get the idea.

Anecdotally, I don't think a single person I ever met who voted 3rd party would have vote for one of the major two parties if they were the only ones on the ballot.

But obviously, such anecdotal data and "logical reasoning" are beyond flawed as methodologies, which is why I asked if there was any study on this issue.

Is there any evidence that this matters?

It matters a lot for the kind of people that will vote no matter what out of civic duty, but don't like either candidate. Biden is winning that group handily in polling.

These people don't exist. Chikor is on the right track based on all knowledge about third party voters. They just don't vote otherwise.

It changes when there's a transcendent third party candidate like Perot, or when the major parties are shedding voters to "undecided" as was in 2016. Both Johnson AND Stein quintupled their support in 2016 not because of anything they did, they were the same candidates as four years earlier with only one party making a blatantly stronger effort at winning votes. (The Green Party is a mess, not an actual national party.)

Polling IS different, people POLL differently, more willing to "vote" third party since they understand it's a poll. Third options in polls always poll twice as high as in votes. Survey research shows this versus applied surveys across most all subfields not just politics. (i.e. Letting a person know it's a poll versus them participating in a controlled experiment.)

Plus the instinct to vote for a winner has been shown to be much stronger than to vote to send a message. (Even in multi-party systems!)

[benjipwns]

Generals Kyuuji and Xastazm reporting for duty?

[BrokenEchelon]

Watching these loony tunes self-destruct gives me life.

[benjipwns]

It isn't so much "Space of like minded people we thought to hoped it was," but we do expect some manner of decency and, failing that, moderators that levy bans and warnings fairly and, as much as possible, without bias. It has become clear since Super Tuesday that there was some fundamental breakdown of that position. If it were only disagreements, that would be one thing, but it's disagreements that flare into outright volatility and bullying, bad faith arguments meant to bait users into responding and getting banned, all the while emotions run hot and high.

I'm sorry, plagiarize, but this take seems a bit misplaced. While I would never expect us to be a place for Trumpist swine, sometimes being part of a big tent like the Democratic Party means running an impossible plate-spinning display. It feels that, in this metaphor, moderators simply assumed they would break plates and ignored half of them in favor of the ones closer at hand.

Nobody here is deriding our differences as weaknesses; the myriad positions from which we speak are important in their own right -- but of something darker, an in-fighting that is not based in policy, for which we mostly share, but the path toward that policy, and the helpless, agonizing panic many of our users feel.

what

[remy]

Does BDubz own the site now or he just Ceriums neoliberal slave running the site for free in exchange for clout?

So funny seeing him be like aww shucks this is out of my hands, you're in charge bitch act like it

[benjipwns]

I've seen some dismissive reaction to the "late night socialism posting" and speaking only for myself i'd ask people to be understanding given that Marxist theory is very applicable to current politics and I usually end up posting at night.

I think that's true, but I also do think there's a desire to just not see socialist political thought in this thread at times, as evidenced by the weird reactions to The Hunter and I (and to be fair, a few other people who saw his posts and jumped in) debating about Native Americans and human nature and whatever. People were being openly dismissive of our conversation just because it was about "old stuff" instead of polls.

stost what this sound like

[ShutUp]

Suddenly the warnings and bans need to be fair and not showing bias

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/man-arrested-in-saudi-arabia-for-breaking-curfew-while-hiding-in-a-cardboard-box.187818/post-31729353

[benjipwns]

I didn't see the maintince message when it was up, thankfully someone on NeoGAF.com did and preserved it:

[benjipwns]

why is it when I post extreme hyperbole, it shows up on that forum unfiltered

it's been happening to the best of us 

[benjipwns]

More SOCIALIST lies that were debunked years ago by the first team that ran the forums that nobody remembers the names of or that they even existed.

[benjipwns]

Noone goes to OT and tries to start shit with socialists and victims. Talking about a two party system which there is inveriiably one winner is not a bad faith argument. It isnt Ban bait. But OT is a minefield just because you want to defeat a fascist. Whoever the other side is. (is so absurd there even is an other side) They dont go through this? I think if they do its to a much lesser degree. So something is wrong.

I think downplaying the importance of beating Trump should be bannable.

[benjipwns]

That is the problem, Morrigan! That while moderators say "both sides," it is not PoliEra posters baiting people with derisive comments on, GULAG or Tienamen Square! Time after time it was that we are murderers for explicitly supporting possible change, as if we would not otherwise support their alternative if given the chance! Do you think anyone here would not want Medicare for All? Of course not, we ALL do! But the path to that isn't directly from Trump, it's to fight for it and take any agonizing step toward it we can. Many people will die in the process, but a step toward progress is better than resignation because our steps were not strident enough.

Calling people who will hold their nose and vote for Biden rape-apologists or victim-blamers, or calling Biden a rapist to the faces of people who call for an investigation is needlessly hostile and even attempting to talk back to that is bannable.

The vitriolic response since Super Tuesday has been out of control, and the moderator response is seen as lacking. I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say that this vitriol is the cause of the breakdown in PoliEra, nor do I think I'm being unreasonable as I call for some additional measures to ensure that rhetoric does not get out of hand, and especially, does not break down further into ad hominem and harassment!

If what you think is wrong here is that both sides have been emotionally compromised by what feels like decades by now of Trump, the trauma of which has launched us all into some morass of spitefulness, you may be correct. Hell, I think so, too. But it looks more to me as one side in particular is being mostly vitriolic when faced with people who would rather repair the house than burn it down.

Surely you have seen the difference between Etcetera and PoliEra? The difference is literal night and day!

Because emotions are running high, it's easy to mistake ...misstep for malice. I can understand that, which is why I am not being vitriolic toward moderators who are doing what they can.

But that is predicated on moderators doing what they can, and ever since Super Tuesday, it really did look as if you were losing ground all the same.

Help us to help you.

[benjipwns]

Voting for Biden isnt minimizing rape. Going to a thread to share inflammatory comments to survivors and those uncomfortable with voting for someone accused of sexual assault is minimizing rape.

I've literally never seen this user before.

I don't think I've ever seen this person post before.

I've never seen that poster here before. And fuck 'em either way.

Literally never seen that user before

[benjipwns]

This is how I feel. The permanent ban of kirblar was the canary in the coal mine. This forum has been overrun by toxic posters and the admins have actively encouraged it.

I don’t know what lead to Kir getting permed but any community that doesn’t want him probably doesn’t want me either.

Yeah Kirblar getting perma'd blew my mind. Dude has made nothing but reasonable posts his entire time here.

But what do you expect? The head admin of the forum is admitting in this thread that he's scared to share his opinions.

Kirblar was one of the more data-driven people here and actually helped change my perspective on a lot of things - I definitely think he contributed a lot to this community.

It is absurd that someone as talented as he was at spurring discussion was banned. It was a horrible decision that reflects very poorly on this community.

I was gutted to see him get perma'd in all honesty. Felt like a very important, level-headed voice got snuffed right out.

[benjipwns]

[benjipwns]

Its not really that people need to pitch people on voting in this thread but I haven't really seen a deep dive in on what the melding of bernie and biden's FP staff could look like. I was just tossing out potential topics of discussion that could also serve as motivators to vote in a sense.

the things we lose out on thanks to the invasions from other threads

[D3RANG3D]

[Uncle]

Is anyone mad about ketkat being banned? That went over well the first time.

the thing ketkat was known for and generated so much angst was mental health era

last time she was banned (november, during trans awareness week no less!) there was a brief rebellion in a thread about how people speak about trans issues, and a short half page interlude in the mental health thread

however even then she hadn't posted in mental health era since september, and she has yet to post in the thread again since, and no one has mentioned her once since then, no one seems to care that she's banned again

by the way no one should under any circumstances read mental health era, it is wall to wall suicide posts with for the most part no one trying to offer comfort or help
 

[benjipwns]

I still can't believe B-Dubs said he was afraid to post in PoliEra. He made a thread specifically to point to his old problematic NeoGAF.com posts a couple weeks ago. The staff there are so goofy.

[thisismyusername]

Voting for Biden isnt minimizing rape. Going to a thread to share inflammatory comments to survivors and those uncomfortable with voting for someone accused of sexual assault is minimizing rape.

I've literally never seen this user before.

I don't think I've ever seen this person post before.

I've never seen that poster here before. And fuck 'em either way.

Literally never seen that user before

NinjaScooter with the actual reasonable fucking take:

the other choice is to vote for neither.
Sure there is appeal for some in voting to get Trump out, no matter what, but some people may not be able to reconcile the credible allegations against Biden (or any number of other things they may think make him unqualified to be President) and thats okay. That’s perfectly reasonable. It’s the job of the DNC and the candidate to win peoples votes, not just expect them to be handed over.

 

[Joe Molotov]

This is how I feel. The permanent ban of kirblar was the canary in the coal mine. This forum has been overrun by toxic posters and the admins have actively encouraged it.

I don’t know what lead to Kir getting permed but any community that doesn’t want him probably doesn’t want me either.

Yeah Kirblar getting perma'd blew my mind. Dude has made nothing but reasonable posts his entire time here.

But what do you expect? The head admin of the forum is admitting in this thread that he's scared to share his opinions.

Kirblar was one of the more data-driven people here and actually helped change my perspective on a lot of things - I definitely think he contributed a lot to this community.

It is absurd that someone as talented as he was at spurring discussion was banned. It was a horrible decision that reflects very poorly on this community.

I was gutted to see him get perma'd in all honesty. Felt like a very important, level-headed voice got snuffed right out.

How do these guys obvious Russian troll bots keep getting in?

[BIONIC]

Sounds like another glen alter. Does he have 5000 Facebook friends?

[benjipwns]

 @BisMarckie

gets BAs in all those and then does the MA in English

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one of the fields I can dunk on

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[benjipwns]

So, mods. Going forward, if you want to make an effort in this thread. Make an effort. Coming in late and playing catch-up when the damage is done, and then saying, oh well, could be worse. Blaming each other. Great look. Wonderful. Maybe you'll make the investment next time? I understand that isn't an excuse or an out or even a good look. It's an actual failing. Because you failed. And we appreciate your effort in giving credence to those failures. But it's so empty at this point. So. Empty. Maybe suggesting the loss of valued contributors is a good thing, in the long run, isn't an actual good thing. It's a shame. It's neglect. And if that's your new normal, there's a reason you couldn't be fucked.

                                                          So. Empty.

[benjipwns]

I'd appreciate a Discord invite. PoliEra is literally how I get my news these days, and I'd hate to miss out on the community's commentary.

[Momo]

Voting for Biden isnt minimizing rape. Going to a thread to share inflammatory comments to survivors and those uncomfortable with voting for someone accused of sexual assault is minimizing rape.

I've literally never seen this user before.

I don't think I've ever seen this person post before.

I've never seen that poster here before. And fuck 'em either way.

Literally never seen that user before

NinjaScooter with the actual reasonable fucking take:

the other choice is to vote for neither.
Sure there is appeal for some in voting to get Trump out, no matter what, but some people may not be able to reconcile the credible allegations against Biden (or any number of other things they may think make him unqualified to be President) and thats okay. That’s perfectly reasonable. It’s the job of the DNC and the candidate to win peoples votes, not just expect them to be handed over.

 

Lets just be honest, that thread is a DNC campaign and they see it as their job to get Biden elected

[VomKriege]

No one even likes Biden, there wasn't any Joe stans yet people were throwing anger fits at the primary dragging and now they are super invested in forcing him down everyone's throat.
 

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It's because they're fans of the Party and the Process. 

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[VomKriege]

It's a coincidence. The tech team works separately from the moderation team.

How goddamn convenient that separate teams should have plausible deniability regarding the others' uses. A unified system can be immensely helpful, even downright necessary.

Those maintenances have been getting out of control, we need a summit !

So many folks here have blocked you that you are both speaking into a void that consists of the two of you speaking solely to one another, but you're both too goddamn pathetic and narcissistic to realize it. You're opinions within this topic are downright amoebic - they represent a singular view obscured by the outside world.

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2020-ot5-guidance-recommends-quarantining-poliera.178039/post-31782960

[benjipwns]

They've spent their quarantine reading up on Joe Biden and now enthusiastically and legitimately support him and think he's the most qualified candidate since the last one. Just like they love his historical Vice Presidential pick of a [adjective] [noun] who comes with [verb] and will [verb] the [noun]. No coincidences or conspiracies necessary.

[benjipwns]

Who has said that, anyway? Serious and sincere question. I'm just confused that I keep seeing this line being repeated. It feels like there has been some sort of misunderstanding somewhere.

We were told this on Discord by a mod. I doubt anyone could get the screenshot because the server gets wiped regularly due to doxxing (another fun thing), but maybe someone took it back then when it happened.

In general, the only mods who are left who were members of this community either left it or have been run off. And given the harassment allowed in this thread (that I repeat, would absolutely get a harsher ban in any other community thread), it's hard to see how this thread is a community like those others. It isn't moderated the same way at all, and the mods that are currently still mods* seem to be okay with that.

[VomKriege]

Yes Kirblar gets a lot of shit from poliera

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2020-ot5-guidance-recommends-quarantining-poliera.178039/post-31783677

[VomKriege]

So far my notes on how to improve ERA and PoliERA :
- Purge the lunatics.
- Have moderation special counsels reviewing moderators.
- Execute sphagnum.
- Always action reports if the user making them went above and beyond to check all the boxes.
- More community specific mods.
- Have a point system for past offences, also a statute of limitation on how long they can be counted into histories of histories.
- Longer bans for some infractions, but softer ones for regular users.
- Have the technical staff of the forum held accountable to Prominent Resettlers who were on Gaming-Age wow isn't it crazy.

[benjipwns]

- Integrating the technical/ad/moderator teams and assigning tasks based on the progressive stack
- Moderator elections
- Ban referenda, as in have referendums for bans, not that referenda are banned, though they might need to be if abused

[BIONIC]

- BAN THE MODS AND KILL THEM

[jorma]

So far my notes on how to improve ERA and PoliERA :
- Purge the lunatics.
- Have moderation special counsels reviewing moderators.
- Execute sphagnum.
- Always action reports if the user making them went above and beyond to check all the boxes.
- More community specific mods.
- Have a point system for past offences, also a statute of limitation on how long they can be counted into histories of histories.
- Longer bans for some infractions, but softer ones for regular users.
- Have the technical staff of the forum held accountable to Prominent Resettlers who were on Gaming-Age wow isn't it crazy.

yes... yes i think these could work. Except the purge the lunatics one of course, but i'm sure that was just a bad faith suggestion from someone who actually wants to improve the forum.

Make it happen you COWARDS!

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/god-of-war-marks-its-second-anniversary.188226/

Today is God Of War's second anniversary, after releasing 20th April 2018. I think we can expect something from SSM later through a blogpost or something to celebrate, and so I will update the thread throughout the day.

[Pissy F Benny]

They should say fuck it and make benji a mod

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-we-living-in-an-extraordinary-time-or-have-there-always-been-this-many-troubling-events-occurring-throughout-modern-history.188163/

Between global pandemic, climate crisis, mass shootings, Trump (and the rise of proto-fascism), the sexual assaults and harassment that predicated the Me Too movement, and whatever else that's been going on, there's just been a firehouse of anxiety-inducing, troubling events occurring over the past 4-5 years. So my question is, is this "normal"? Has there consistently been this volume of tragedy and injustice occurring in and around us? It feels out of the ordinary, but maybe I just haven't been paying attention.

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[Propagandhim]

Asking or nurses who have panic attacks over forum bullshit if normalcy has changed.   

[benjipwns]

remember that time NeoGAF.com had a nurse admit to harming people deliberately and they covered it up and banned the person who pointed it out, I'm glad ResetERA.com has implemented many controls to ensure something like that could never happen again, even if they do need to implement everything Vom's cataloged to make sure we can feel safe again

[Pissy F Benny]

remember that time NeoGAF.com had a nurse admit to harming people deliberately and they covered it up and banned the person who pointed it out, I'm glad ResetERA.com has implemented many controls to ensure something like that could never happen again, even if they do need to implement everything Vom's cataloged to make sure we can feel safe again

Isn’t said nurse now a moderator

[Ghoul]

lol at the mod being brave and basically saying listen KetKat it's not all about her. He also hands their notice in to avoid another summit. They really should just perm her.

She's just so fucking self centred and toxic, yet claims to be fighting the good fight. She's like a military Vegan and always ready to jump down your throat about it.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-just-realized-that-mario-sonic-co-were-the-only-ones-to-attend-the-2020-olympics.188253/

Mario isn't real OP

But that is a sex  toy of Mario, who is a fictional character.


Mario did not attend anything because Mario isn't real

It will be if it happens next year, and Mario won't be there because Mario isn't real.

It's still real to me damnit, unlike Mario who 100% isn't real.

Mario is fictional from  Brooklyn.... not real Brooklyn though, because he's not real.


That's a fake place. Why are we talking like Mario is real.

He's not real.


No he's from fake Brooklyn.... He's not real! He's not going to any Olympics because he's totally fake. Made up, invented, pas vrais.

[VomKriege]

excel forced into the menial work of being a mediocre joke account is really a riches to rags story.

[Pissy F Benny]

Excel should try telling movie bob that Mario isn’t real

[Momo]

Excel should rebrand and come back as PowerPoint

[joeboy101]

They should say fuck it and make benji a mod

Wonderment would be getting even more embarrassed.

[BisMarckie]

@BisMarckie

gets BAs in all those and then does the MA in English

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one of the fields I can dunk on

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I loved going to college as much as the next guy, but usually the goal is to waste as much time as possible to get ONE undergrad degree.

[VomKriege]

So making generalities about the Chinese is bad.
But doing the same for the Russians is OK because it hasn't escalated to hate crimes. (Reported in the media.) (Says who ?)*
Despite "racism" being really only the systematic kind that permeates everything and not just the overt incidents which are actually a poor measure of it.
Furthermore edgy jokes from the Internet in the 90's totally paved the way to GamerGate and the USA becoming a Neo-Nazi state in 2016 so we know words have force and meanings that could only manifest as violence down the road.
A Nazi state that, by the way, can only brought down by electoralism and voting for the most generic, consensual candidate available.

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Never mind that the constant and casual characterization of Russians as a bunch of duplicitous & treacherous fucks always scheming in the shadows obviously fawns support for aggressive hawkish policies towards those countries that can and could translate to material hardships and violence for their ordinary citizens. Those don't count, somehow.

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[VomKriege]

patientzero got a 1-day ban.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2020-ot5-guidance-recommends-quarantining-poliera.178039/post-31782960

Oh Mods... Are you doing that because PoliERA bitched yesterday about sphagnum only getting a day that one time ?

[bork]

You have been banned for the following reason: User Banned (Permanent): Participating in off-site harassment campaigns.



I always got banned for ruffling poliera’s feathers.  I guess the off-site harassment was fine for the year I’ve been here until today of all days

"off-site harassment campaigns"