Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[bork]

I wonder which furry mod with a seven year car loan and is making a shitty fan comic about an overwatch character issued those warnings 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ign-re-reviews-overwatch.208434/#post-34426755

*(looks at hours spent playing)*

........

I cannot argue too much.

Total in-game play time: 20 minutes
Total time spent looking at Lucio's character profile: 300 hours

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a2-2b.208413/

Both of their designs are gross, but A2's in particular gives me "rape manga victim" vibes every time I look at her. Just find some damn pants, please. It's not like anyone else is using them.

It's just really unpleasant to look at. Neither of their personalities were great, but it's the visual designs being so blatantly fetishistic that really pushes me away.

 

Also, "personality"? Neither of them is particularly expressive but I didn't learn a damn thing about A2's "personality" throughout the entire game (and yes, I played through Ending E).

You do get a fair bit of A2's characterisation and story in the sidequests. Specifically the one with her aquaintance in the home base. (I forgot all the names).

Yeah, I skipped most of them. A main character's personality should not be relegated to side quests.

 

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a2-2b.208413/page-2#post-34427964

People & even Yoko Taro himself sexualizing the utter shit out of both 2B & A2 is honestly the worst fucking thing that happened with NieR finally getting more popular. As much as I cry every time I think about us actually getting a NieR Remake or whatever else you want to call the new version of Replicant, I genuinely dread it too due to all the awful shit people will say & draw about Kainé solely because of her having a dick & people fetishizing the hell out of trans & intersex women. There's so much to love about the games & reducing it to "look NSFW & sexualized art of 2B &/or A2 haha" & "waifu wars" is actually insulting.

Kaine >>>>> a2 > 2b

The only good answer!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a2-2b.208413/page-3#post-34428549

There's so much to love about the games & reducing it to "look NSFW & sexualized art of 2B &/or A2 haha" & "waifu wars" is actually insulting.

Valid point but

The only good answer!

Do you not see the irony here?

You're literally engaging in the "pit women against each other" culture that pervades gaming/media spaces

lmao it's a fucking joke hence the "", it's because Kainé is my favorite fictional character. I'm also not straight up sexualizing the both of them like many cishet men in this thread are doing which is what I was actually talking about.

 

[bork]

The original ResetEra takes Twitter account is gone, but someone started a new one.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ReseteraTakes/status/1262912082426691584

https://mobile.twitter.com/ReseteraTakes/status/1263081254238502912

[Ghoul]

add something that also goes with the narrative or get out.

[porkbun]

Exclusively?

Does that mean it will no longer be on YouTube?

That's pretty weird. Not sure how smart of a move this was on Joe's part. 

Eh, even if he loses a few million subscribers, he's still getting paid $100 million (if not more if they also gave him stock options), got a huge amount of mainstream press (Forbes called him the new Howard Stern), can still make money off of the ad reads he does before the show, and has full control of the content.  He has said a lot that he gets "strikes" from YouTube either because of complaints about what he says or just playing videos/music in the background that trigger the DMCA bots.

I don't really listen to him anymore since Redban left and the show became Oprah for brah dudes, but I respect the guy's hustle.  Getting paid $100 million for getting stoned and talking to people in your house is a pretty good gig.

[Pissy F Benny]

At least this will reduce the chances of waking up to an interview he did with some whiny nerd like Tim pool or Jordan p (lol) playing when I fall asleep watching YouTube vids

Now that is sucking the corporate teet it probably means she will never have Alex Jones on again

[Momo]

I probably wont be listening to a JRE podcast again post switch

[Transhuman]

Why not start your new life today

[Ghoul]

Alex will find a way onto JRE for sure.

[Uncle]

I don't go looking to watch them but sometimes it just comes up with someone interesting, or I hear a clip and then have a hard time turning it off, weird that that can't happen anymore

[bork]

I don't go looking to watch them but sometimes it just comes up with someone interesting, or I hear a clip and then have a hard time turning it off, weird that that can't happen anymore

I think they said that clips will still be uploaded to Youtube?

[Pissy F Benny]

Joe Rogan blasts Social Justice Warriors vids still live on

[Momo]

Why not start your new life today

tbh if i find a similar podcast guest wise (minus the endless stream of unfunny comedians) with a host that's even slightly smarter than Joe i'm there.

[ToxicAdam]

Conan O Brien has top guests on his.  Although they all focus on the entertainment industry. He's not going to have an ultra-marathoner on there are some guy who wrote the definitive book on edibles.

[Transhuman]

Why not start your new life today

tbh if i find a similar podcast guest wise (minus the endless stream of unfunny comedians) with a host that's even slightly smarter than Joe i'm there.

I think you'll be hard pressed to find some else as smart as Joseph Thadius Rogan

[Momo]

Conan O Brien has top guests on his.

Does he do longer ones? I used to like watching Conan when he was on TV but i cant stand the short format anymore

[BisMarckie]

I bet etiolate would know the best podcasts to listen to.

[Pissy F Benny]

Why not start your new life today

tbh if i find a similar podcast guest wise (minus the endless stream of unfunny comedians) with a host that's even slightly smarter than Joe i'm there.

trashys life long dream is to be the latest addition to rogans giant stable of unfunny comedian friends

[ToxicAdam]

Does he do longer ones? I used to like watching Conan when he was on TV but i cant stand the short format anymore

 His podcast is an hour long and usually it's about 45 minutes of interview with a celeb (recent ones: Nick Kroll, Ted Danson, Mike Myers, JJ Abrams) and 15 minutes of him fucking around with his co-workers/reading ads.

[Uncle]

I don't go looking to watch them but sometimes it just comes up with someone interesting, or I hear a clip and then have a hard time turning it off, weird that that can't happen anymore

That's the idea behind still having clips on YouTube;  see an interesting clip and you'll have to go to Spotify for the rest.

by clip I mean a direct link to the middle of a long discussion that continues

the difference between not bothering to turn something off, or having it just end after the relevant bit and not wanting to go to the trouble of seeking out the rest

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

you know, this is all background radiation to what era is, and does, and all that, but I never thought about it in those specific terms

one of the single most important skills in life is networking, making broad connections with others, getting employment, getting people to vouch for you

era and their way of thinking completely destroys networking, because one problematic person in your network poisons everyone else, in their eyes

you have to second guess and interrogate everyone you know in order to stay pure

its back to era running - by accident or by design - the cultist / extremist playbook.

Cut your friends and family out of your life, they are disbelievers!
Don't go to other websites, they are all disbelievers who will persecute you!
Don't worry about your mental health and your increasing doubts, go to our thread and we will fix you!
Don't speak up or question our decisions, we know best and will stifle any dissent!

[Momo]

I guess I can give Coco a whirl, whats the harm 


I suppose he'd be doing a lot of entertainment industry people, anyone else you can suggest with scientists, businessmen, current year social commentators? Can be different podcasts, but not Dave Rubin please. 

[thisismyusername]

Read today his video episodes are also moving to Spotify;  will be interesting to see if we ever get metrics on his views what being behind a paywall does for something like that... or likely forced ads people can't ad-block away like on YouTUbe.

Apparently, all his stuff will still be "free."

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAYSqQLFP_l/

Announcement: the podcast is moving to @spotify!
Starting on September 1 the podcast will be available on Spotify as well as all platforms, and then at the end of the year it will move exclusively to Spotify, including the video version.
It will remain FREE, and it will be the exact same show. It’s just a licensing deal, so Spotify won’t have any creative control over the show. They want me to just continue doing it the way I’m doing it right now.
We will still have clips up on YouTube but full versions of the show will only be on Spotify after the end of the year.
I’m excited to have the support of the largest audio platform in the world and I hope you folks are there when we make the switch!

We'll see if the latter holds for the former.

[Momo]

I'd even listen to fucking Tim Pool if he got guests on and it wasnt just him and his two fuckbeards reacting to things

[Momo]

also not h3h3 podcast, way too meta

[thisismyusername]

TIMU:  Yeah but I'm not sure people can ad-block Spotify as easily as YouTube?

...Which is probably why he's switching. He's all about the ad-money.

[Uncle]

as far as losing userbase, not just because people wouldn't be able to ad block, some can't even listen in their country

[Transhuman]

Why not start your new life today

tbh if i find a similar podcast guest wise (minus the endless stream of unfunny comedians) with a host that's even slightly smarter than Joe i'm there.

trashys life long dream is to be the latest addition to rogans giant stable of unfunny comedian friends

That reminds me of this funny Joe Rogan joke I heard once.

[bork]

as far as losing userbase, not just because people wouldn't be able to ad block, some can't even listen in their country

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VPN?

[Uncle]

if they're not already paying for it I wouldn't start just to listen to joe

[porkbun]

if they're not already paying for it I wouldn't start just to listen to joe

It's not going to be behind a paywall.  It will be available for free and (at least as far as I know) ad free except for the "live" reads Joe does.

[Momo]

Bryan Callen has a podcast without that dweeb Brendan Scrub?

[Tripon]

Bryan Callen has a podcast without that dweeb Brendan Scrub?

Bryan Callen's dad was some sort of international banker. 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Imagine not understanding the point of an op ed section.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/abolish-op-eds-nyt-gives-scott-walker-former-governor-and-ongoing-financial-charlatan-a-platform-to-argue-that-states-shouldnt-be-bailed-out.209337/

The New York Times has abdicated all responsibility to truth and honesty via the Op-Ed section....And they'll tell you Op-Ed is just Opinions but it's in the same newspaper, there's no rebuttals or anything. It is a dereliction of duty as an outlet of supposed journalistic integrity to allow such unfettered pieces to be proliferated

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Yet incelsheet reads buzzfeed daily

[Pissy F Benny]

excel bases her opinions on hot takes from randos on twitter, aka the real journalists

[bork]

if they're not already paying for it I wouldn't start just to listen to joe

It's not going to be behind a paywall.  It will be available for free and (at least as far as I know) ad free except for the "live" reads Joe does.

He means paying for a VPN.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I like how that thread didn't take off.



Expecting a self bump soon.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Let me first preface this by saying that this idea is radical. It's probably unworkable, utopian and completely batshit stupid, but it's also something to think about.

This idea comes off of the back of the recent harrassment experienced by Twitch streamer "FerociouslySteph", in which Steph stated that Voice Chat (VC) is a distinct disadvantage at the top levels of play in competetive gaming because society is full of shitheads who can't just let gamers play games without targeting protected characteristics (my words, not theirs). A woman playing a competetive game at the top tiers of play will forever be at a disadvantage in VC purely because all the cis-white gamerbros around her will use her sex or gender to belittle her as soon as they possibly can, as speaking up in VC immediately exposes her identity. Someone fighting the psychological assault of their own team will never perform as well as their co-ordinated opponents. And so most women just don't bother with VC. It isn't designed for them.

A lot of people claim that if that's the problem, then women could just mute VC. Yes, what a great argument. To prove that there isn't a problem after all. What a fantastic way to tell women to just shut up and stay quiet like the good little servants they were born to be! But more importantly if that's the "solution" then surely VC isn't important and therefore arguing in protection of it is just moot? If it's unimportant enough that some people should "just mute" and supposedly not matter then it's unimportant enough for it to be removed entirely.

It's a stupid rebuttal. I hope we're all clear on that?

And then someone in the comments to the article above posted about how we need to push usage of voice chat harder:

Honestly, if anything, we need to push usage of voice chat harder. Women play games. A lot of women play games. So do LGBTQ+ people, and people with “non-standard voices”. And the fact is, by sheer numbers, the stable, non-assholeish people outnumber the manbaby rage children by a pretty huge margin, and yet we have more or less completed ceded the field to them uncontested.

Lots of women end up opting out of VOIP because they are afraid of being harassed, and that is a perfectly valid fear, but the end result is that by opting out in large numbers, women in games even less visible. And that lack of female voices makes women seem like even more of a minority then they factually are, to such an extent that when a woman does actually speak up she has an even higher chancing of standing out as an “other”, and is far more likely to be harassed because of it.

If 80% of a games player base can be assumed to be non-toxic, normal people, but they refuse to use VOIP just because they don’t want to deal with 20% who are toxic, then all we’ve done is given said toxic players an echo-chamber, and helped to craft the illusion that they’re the majority, that their behavior is the norm, and that they are at all resprestiative of “gaming culture”.

The only way to deal with a vocal minority of toxic players is to drown them out with am even more vocal majority of diverse voices, and stop letting these absolute morons dictate the conversation as if they have any actual power outside of petulant whining.

And that got me thinking about this crazy idea.

Yes. Push voice chat harder. Normalise women playing games. Crush society's preconceived notions of sex, gender and misogyny, but do it to the extreme. If we live in a society where women are socially belittled in every way possible in ways that cis-white males could never understand, why not tip that balance in your digital online ecosystem where you have the ability to do so? Why not do it in a way that would cause so much furor and uproar that it would completely destabilise the zeitgeist and make gamerbros the ones who are scared to speak in VC?

Design most of your game so that it's gender agnostic and appeals to everyone, but then give every woman the power to kick harrassers from any match.

It's such a fucking insane idea and I LOVE it. Suddenly men are the ones who need to consider if joining VC is worth it. Suddenly men are the ones who know how it feels to be the targeted demographic, purely because a woman might hear their (generally) lower timbre and realise "holy shit, there's a man in this game and I'm the one with power." Society's issues are omnipresent and this won't suddenly fix that overnight, and in a lot of ways this could be seen as an insult to the social cause due to the "triviality" of gaming but you've got to break some eggs to make an omelette. And could you imagine the headlines that this would generate? Maybe, just maybe the reaction to doing this is so uproarious that it begins a new movement further empowering women in video games, normalising the landscape in such a way that video games are no longer a "boy's thing" (which they certainly still are, especially in competetive play), especially if you make a pointed effort to actively disrupt the societal dynamic.

Now duh this would cause a world of potentially impossible problems with no workable solutions. You're overpowering women for the sake of destabilising the imbalance between the sexes, but why shouldn't that happen in a high profile case at least once?

First of all how would you prevent abuse of the system? How would you stop some women from kicking whoever they want regardless of whether or not they've even spoken up? Frankly you probably can't, but isn't that the point? That women, who have spent their whole lives in the working sector fighting for equality and in many situations losing out to their equally (or often lesser) skilled male opponents, are now able to use that power however they want? It has a beautiful symmetry to it in a way.

Perhaps even more obviously how do you determine who is genuinely female? (and of course by this I am also including trans women. That just isn't up for debate.) Do you resort to legal documentation? How do you ethically justify that requirement just for a feature in your video game? But then do you just take them on their word? And then who's to stop men from gaming the system and trying to gain the privileges of women in your closed ecosystem? Again, the answer is probably that you can't. There's also the risk of accidentally misgendering someone either at the privilege granting level or during gameplay. This is a theoretical system that unfortunately relies on a lot of other theoretical systems working flawlessly in unison.

And even providing you make this system work in a game, how do you stop it from devolving into a complete cesspool ruled by one group who possess a protected characteristic at the expense of those who do not? Simply, you can't. Unless you just don't speak. Tipping the balance.

I think it's an incredibly powerful idea, and I'd love for it to come to fruition in some way in reality. But given the cost of development of video games and the risk of alienating your male demographic I highly doubt that any big company would implement a system like this in any meaningful way. Which to me just feels like yet another way that imbalance would win out over prioritising the interests of women in a given medium.

And of course this post focuses on gender (or arguably more noticeably, given the nature of VC, sex), but who's to say that you couldn't empower minorities in this same way? The only reason that I didn't delve deeply into that idea is because VC is more likely to reveal sex first, and race second especially with regional matchmaking where you're much more likely to encounter someone who is probably of your own race. One is no more important than the other though, please make no mistake.

This idea could spearhead something huge if a company big enough took it seriously, genuinely seriously enough and valued women more than the potential outcome of implementing a system that might doom their game and have nobody play it. I'd argue that the buzz it would create might mitigate that but I get it. I also get that some of you reading this might think that the idea itself is fucking stupid. It would never work so it isn't even worth contemplating. Some of you might disagree with the ideology, and I can guarantee this thread will appear on the twitters and forums of incels who are complaining about how "REEEEEra is trying to censor the whole world!!" and that Vexii is some SJW fuck spreading cancer to the masses.

But to all of that I'll simply quote: "we can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

[Pissy F Benny]

stop trying to oppress gamers lefty scum

[HaughtyFrank]

The real problem with this idea

So...you want women to essentially doxx themselves to a game company to be able to kick people from voice chat? I don't think many are going to be willing to do that, especially trans women.

Isn't thinking that women can do no wrong and wouldn't abuse this power its own kind of sexism?

[bork]

Did they give up on closing all the Excel threads that just contain tweets?

[HaughtyFrank]

I'd advocate, but i know it will probably not happen, is that when I report someone in a game someone would listen to it. If there was toxic behavior. The video game company would send the info of the player to a local police station. Then the police would fine the person.

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The real problem with this idea

So...you want women to essentially doxx themselves to a game company to be able to kick people from voice chat? I don't think many are going to be willing to do that, especially trans women.

Isn't thinking that women can do no wrong and wouldn't abuse this power its own kind of sexism?

He (of course it's a he) got you covered fam

First of all how would you prevent abuse of the system? How would you stop some women from kicking whoever they want regardless of whether or not they've even spoken up? Frankly you probably can't, but isn't that the point? That women, who have spent their whole lives in the working sector fighting for equality and in many situations losing out to their equally (or often lesser) skilled male opponents, are now able to use that power however they want? It has a beautiful symmetry to it in a way.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

M'lady
*tips fedora*

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Also I like how he prefaces his legendarily dumbfuck idea with "I'm sure those alt-right forums are going to post this and complain about muh ess jay dubyas" and not just on the merits of what a spectacularly idiotic concept he has proudly come up, like a potty training child who has successfully taken a huge shit

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

This is one of the dumbest of not the dumbest idea I've seen on Era and Era has no shortage of dumb ideas.

Dumber than perpetuating a cycle in which women are harrassed simply for speaking at all? Dumber than perpetuating a cycle in which women are doxxed for pointing out the inherent sexism in competetive gaming?

[Joe Molotov]

Can women ban other women? Or is there a ban hierarchy, where cis women can only ban men, trans women can ban cis women, black trans women can ban white trans women?

[BIONIC]

excel bases her opinions on hot takes from randos on twitter, aka the real journalists

Sounds like our US politics thread 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kotaku-stadia-exclusivity-will-keep-serious-sam-4-off-ps4-and-xbox-until-2021.209427/

This threads getting pretty good with the "just another launcher bro" comments from the PC crowd

[Coitus]

Society's issues are omnipresent and this won't suddenly fix that overnight, and in a lot of ways this could be seen as an insult to the social cause due to the "triviality" of gaming but you've got to break some eggs to make an omelette. And could you imagine the headlines that this would generate?

Using a phrase attributed to a French Royalist to justify your proposed Committee for Female Gamer Safety. 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

[jorma]

And even providing you make this system work in a game, how do you stop it from devolving into a complete cesspool ruled by one group who possess a protected characteristic at the expense of those who do not? Simply, you can't. Unless you just don't speak. Tipping the balance.

Not hard to see where he got the idea from to be honest. 

[HaughtyFrank]

Nothing about this would work in reality, or even holds up to any kind of scrutiny.

"Wtf, why is this woman locking my thread"

[jorma]

And even providing you make this system work in a game, how do you stop it from devolving into a complete cesspool ruled by one group who possess a protected characteristic at the expense of those who do not? Simply, you can't. Unless you just don't speak. Tipping the balance.

Not hard to see where he got the idea from to be honest. 

and in this light, the lock message from a mod is pretty chefkiss 

The suggestions in the OP are so bizarre and unworkable that this thread needs two lock messages.

[Joe Molotov]

A one...a twooo-oooo...a three....three lock messages.

[DJ Bedroom]

Isn't multiplayer the equivalent of a slur for those nerds anyway?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

A one...a twooo-oooo...a three....three lock messages.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nature-has-reached-a-verdict-canada-us.209508/

zero effort thread containing a tweet from a rando and that's it again.
Guess Bitch Dubs is still on vay kay