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Can't wait for the part in the thread where they talk about Angry Joe as a big rich dude using his highly paid attorneys to shut down the accusations like he's a billionaire with a corporate law firm on retainer.
For people saying it should go to court what evidence are you expecting someone be able to provide of sexual harassment and predatory behaviour a couple of years prior? We know from the Ubisoft case alone predators can be cunning in their methods to eliminate any potential angle of proof. Coupled with the data on how often people are prosecuted around rape, let-alone verbal harassment, and what real avenues do victims have? Especially when faced with the might of a legal team backed by Joe’s resourses and his ardent and active fan base.
just noticed this is page 343343 - STINKLES IS INNOCENT. FREE FRANK!
Quote from: benjipwns on June 23, 2020, 07:59:36 PMCan't wait for the part in the thread where they talk about Angry Joe as a big rich dude using his highly paid attorneys to shut down the accusations like he's a billionaire with a corporate law firm on retainer.Quote from: Kyuuji, https://www.resetera.com/threads/angryjoe-responds-to-sexual-assault-allegations.234028/post-37880881For people saying it should go to court what evidence are you expecting someone be able to provide of sexual harassment and predatory behaviour a couple of years prior? We know from the Ubisoft case alone predators can be cunning in their methods to eliminate any potential angle of proof. Coupled with the data on how often people are prosecuted around rape, let-alone verbal harassment, and what real avenues do victims have? Especially when faced with the might of a legal team backed by Joe’s resourses and his ardent and active fan base.
And getting lawyers involved is so scummy.
Hey you don't need to condemn Joe at all costs, but could you people maybe not fall for this kind of "Oh he's being so measured/level headed/reasonable" shit? There's no actual value in reacting camly if what he's saying is still so dismissive and still contributes to silence women.
Why would you need lawyers to send C&D letters when the other party has zero proof? If they truly believe victims of sexual assault then they must know how harmful legal action is to holding predators, rapists, etc accountable because courts and other legal avenues tend to side with the abusers. All lawyers do is, "Shut up, or we'll make your life hell". And what is the victim's recourse unless they have a lot of money too? They'll lose because they cannot prove their accounts. Lawyers are an easy way to swing the law at victims to silence them from speaking their truths.
It's almost worth becoming a Youtuber/Twitch-e/"Games Journalist" to get some attention...
Just don’t see how it doesn’t look like he’s bullying her down with a C&D instead of having the conviction to go straight to court
QuoteWhy would you need lawyers to send C&D letters when the other party has zero proof? If they truly believe victims of sexual assault then they must know how harmful legal action is to holding predators, rapists, etc accountable because courts and other legal avenues tend to side with the abusers. All lawyers do is, "Shut up, or we'll make your life hell". And what is the victim's recourse unless they have a lot of money too? They'll lose because they cannot prove their accounts. Lawyers are an easy way to swing the law at victims to silence them from speaking their truths.
stufte choked me, gaslit me and tried to grope me. He repeatedly said: Call me a game developer!
I don't believe him, and if he is innocent, he is doing everything to make himself seem guilty.
that’s not to say that joe is guilty at all, just when people flaunt lawyers and demand the victim use the legal process if they want to say anything it’s a huge red flag to me.
QuoteWhile this may kill whatever streaming career I may have had, I don’t regret speaking up now, I only wish I had done so sooner and apologize to anyone he may have assaulted since April 7th, 2018.
While this may kill whatever streaming career I may have had, I don’t regret speaking up now, I only wish I had done so sooner and apologize to anyone he may have assaulted since April 7th, 2018.
Where did she mention he assaulted her though?
She never phrased it as assault
It’s honestly hard to take your alleged concern for facts seriously when you can’t even keep up with the fact she never claimed he assaulted her
Early IGN was wild in that it had a babes section, car section, music section, celebrity section insert section here. It was trying to appeal to then usual demo of young males with all of the shit that was popular in the early 00s.Looking back it’s crazy what they were doing.
Quotethat’s not to say that joe is guilty at all, just when people flaunt lawyers and demand the victim use the legal process if they want to say anything it’s a huge red flag to me. They can't seem to decide whether you're supposed to do nothing or immediately take all the receipts to the nearest court.
I don’t like how slick his reply is.
https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/1275580362475831296Can't cancel Angry Joe today.
While this may kill whatever streaming career I may have had, I don’t regret speaking up now, I only wish I had done so sooner and apologize to anyone he may have assaulted since April 7th, 2018.***I have been told by medium I must remove the conversations with AngryJoe, I have not done so myself but I am complying with their request, I have approval from the other party on Instagram to use these messages***
just realized we're in a glut of Adjective Joes being sex pests first Sleepy Joe now Angry Joe
Quote from: Vanillalite, post: 37882000, member: 340Early IGN was wild in that it had a babes section, car section, music section, celebrity section insert section here. It was trying to appeal to then usual demo of young males with all of the shit that was popular in the early 00s.Looking back it’s crazy what they were doing.So wild
What a trump way to handle it. Way to show other people that if you speak up we will c and d you as anyone with enough money can do a c and d.Fucking trash. I saw on the other thread bout him that he is apparently a homophobe and a transphobe? He also really really enjoys his guns? He caters to incels?
Quote from: Vertigo on June 23, 2020, 08:36:45 PMQuote from: Vanillalite, post: 37882000, member: 340Early IGN was wild in that it had a babes section, car section, music section, celebrity section insert section here. It was trying to appeal to then usual demo of young males with all of the shit that was popular in the early 00s.Looking back it’s crazy what they were doing.So wild Wait until they find out what was published and available in SUPERMARKETS once upon a time.
What a trump way to handle it. Way to show other people that if you speak up we will c and d you as anyone with enough money can do a c and d. Fucking trash. I saw on the other thread bout him that he is apparently a homophobe and a transphobe? He also really really enjoys his guns? He caters to incels?
We know that women don't speak out because they have a concern, backed by data and history, that their allegations won't be believed, taken seriously or handled appropriately by authorities or those in positions of power. This has led to a breaking point where women have start speaking out publically about the people that have harassed and assaulted them.The response when they speak out against people in positions of wealth and influence?"Go to court!"
So seems confirmed MS won't have any sort of FB integration in their system. I suppose they didn't think people would assume it could be a possibility?Jeff Gerstmann continues to be a loser. Carry on.
A cease and desist letter will cost you a couple hundred bucks.People in position of wealth and influence
How much does a cease and desist letter cost?Most lawyers are going to charge on an hourly basis, and these hourly rates can range anywhere from $50 to $950 per hour. For something such as a cease and desist letter, plan on spending $125 to $300 per hour to have a letter written up.Most cease and desist letters will take up to two to eight hours to write up a letter due to the fact the attorney will have to conduct research for you as well as ensure that you have the right to send one out legally. It is wise to set aside as much as $750 to $3,500 to complete the entire process; however, if it’s something as simple as “warning” someone, it could be as little as $200 to $400. For example, AllisonTaylor.com states that the generation of a cease and desist letter with their firm can be around $1,200, but again, this is going to depend on the complexity of your situation.
Quote from: Kyuuji, https://www.resetera.com/threads/angryjoe-responds-to-sexual-assault-allegations.234028/post-37883608We know that women don't speak out because they have a concern, backed by data and history, that their allegations won't be believed, taken seriously or handled appropriately by authorities or those in positions of power. This has led to a breaking point where women have start speaking out publically about the people that have harassed and assaulted them.The response when they speak out against people in positions of wealth and influence?"Go to court!"
I dont think Angry Joe is making Pewdiepie level of money.
Let me use my fortune to brow beat my victim into silence about what I did to them. That makes me an Ally.
So WTF is happening with Stinkles?
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 23, 2020, 08:52:11 PMQuote from: Philip Cardgage on June 23, 2020, 08:51:04 PMSo seems confirmed MS won't have any sort of FB integration in their system. I suppose they didn't think people would assume it could be a possibility?Jeff Gerstmann continues to be a loser. Carry on.Jeff hasn‘t been the same since the whole founding Gamergate thing kinda blew up.He hasn't been the same since selling GB to Viacom. He's obviously only there for contractual reasons
Quote from: Philip Cardgage on June 23, 2020, 08:51:04 PMSo seems confirmed MS won't have any sort of FB integration in their system. I suppose they didn't think people would assume it could be a possibility?Jeff Gerstmann continues to be a loser. Carry on.Jeff hasn‘t been the same since the whole founding Gamergate thing kinda blew up.
Sorry guys that’s an error. That’s two innacurate Halo stories this morning but understandable.It’s not impossible H5 could come to PC one day but it’s not being worked on at this time. Black and white, no semantic trickery.
Not surprised in the least. Still, that amounts to sleaziness and creepyness, not actual crimes?
This is exactly where I’m at right now. But I don’t want to get banned lol
QuoteBut the details about those photos can easily be verified. Era, do your thing....are you encouraging doxxing?
But the details about those photos can easily be verified. Era, do your thing.
I honestly have nothing to lose by coming forward and finally saying who did this to me, I’m still a small partner/streamer who streams for fun, goes to school full-time and has a career as a programmer ahead of me.
You fucking heard me. Do not belittle the trauma of abuse by equating it to one public figure quote tweeting another public figure. Greg did not 'brigade' Bob, he spoke directly to him on a public platform. Bob does the exact same thing to other people in the game's press all the time. By this metric, Bob 'abused' Jeff Canatta by quote tweeting his tweet about the TLOU2 and publicly dunking on him repeatedly with Jason Schrier and others. If Bob doesn't want to interact with Greg. doesn't like him? Fine, that's his business. But this shit is petty and absurd, and suggesting it is at all similar to gamergate harassment is ludicrous.
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 23, 2020, 08:49:30 PMA cease and desist letter will cost you a couple hundred bucks.People in position of wealth and influence QuoteHow much does a cease and desist letter cost?Most lawyers are going to charge on an hourly basis, and these hourly rates can range anywhere from $50 to $950 per hour. For something such as a cease and desist letter, plan on spending $125 to $300 per hour to have a letter written up.Most cease and desist letters will take up to two to eight hours to write up a letter due to the fact the attorney will have to conduct research for you as well as ensure that you have the right to send one out legally. It is wise to set aside as much as $750 to $3,500 to complete the entire process; however, if it’s something as simple as “warning” someone, it could be as little as $200 to $400. For example, AllisonTaylor.com states that the generation of a cease and desist letter with their firm can be around $1,200, but again, this is going to depend on the complexity of your situation.
QuoteI honestly have nothing to lose by coming forward and finally saying who did this to me, I’m still a small partner/streamer who streams for fun, goes to school full-time and has a career as a programmer ahead of me. https://twitter.com/WookieMonsterTV/status/1275046108008452096?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
is she really a marine?
Brigading is abuse. Period. Most of you will never know what its like to be mass attacked by the alt right, and I hope you never do. But I do (during gamergate), and Bob does (during gamergate and his dealings with Colin/Greg), and so do a lot of other people. It is abuse. It is traumatizing. Its something we will never be over and we don't owe anything to the people who had a hand in it.
I mean that was the whole industry at the time. I recently just went through a old stack of EGM's from the early 2000's and threw them all out and the advertising in those magazines was fucking WILD. Like, shit that would NOT fly at all today. The late 90's early 00's were the fucking wild west in the video game industry when it came to objectification and perpetuation of sexism of women in and around gaming.
Colin abused, harassed, and gaslit Bob for *years* while Greg and others in the IGN/KF clique said and did nothing. This includes calling the cops on Bob, brigading him, doxxing him, accusing him of being mentally ill, on and on and on and on. And Greg (and others) watched it all and said nothing against Colin or in support of Bob. When Bob called Mitch Dyer out on his complicity in enabling Snek Man, Mitch told Bob he needed to get help and then blocked him.
https://twitter.com/WookieMonsterTV/status/1261125454469226503all this to stream endless hours of Star Wars: The Old Republic
I really don't understand how people here seems to be shocked. I was a big reader of IGN at the time and you could see how these people used to treat other writers who were completely focused on Nintendo at the time. The constant jokes and comparing Nintendo players to adult childs and all the supid comments. Man, if they treated even their own colleagues like that, imagine minorities like women and black people. That was sooooo clear. Sometimes I believe people are blind or they just don't have feelings. I don't know... really...
