Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Her explanation would make sense if it was, like... Dido letting eminem sample Thank you for Stan, a song thats clearly not relaying an actual incident that eminem was involved in.

But AFAICS this shits like licencing your music for OJ Simpsons if I Did It: The Movie soundtrack

[Raist]

Sorry if I mistyped. My partner is two-spirit Métis, Anishinaabe and informed me it should be LGBTQIA2S

Give it a couple more years and it will beat that Welsh town's record.

[Pissy F Benny]

got a link? that seems like a piss take

[Nintex]

LGBTQIA2S

WWG1WGA

LGBTQIA2SWWG1WGA

WWG1WGALGBTQIA2S

 

[HaughtyFrank]

got a link? that seems like a piss take

What does LGBTQIA2S+ mean?
LGTBQIA2S+ is an acronym for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer and/or Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Two-Spirit, and the countless affirmative ways in which people choose to self-identify.

https://portlandartmuseum.org/learn/programs-tours/object-stories/powerful-self-lgbtqia2s-lives-today/

Two spirits sneaking in 2 whole characters 

It's kind of funny that those who are breaking labels become obsessed with labels themselves.

I wonder when someone will question why the L of Lesbians should be in the first spot

[Nintex]

I'm pretty sure the S belongs to Sonic

[Tuckers Law]

If I’ve learned anything in my time with the internet, it’s that furries are not to be trusted.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

yall need to leave vanessa carlon alone.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

got a link? that seems like a piss take

What does LGBTQIA2S+ mean?
LGTBQIA2S+ is an acronym for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer and/or Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Two-Spirit, and the countless affirmative ways in which people choose to self-identify.

https://portlandartmuseum.org/learn/programs-tours/object-stories/powerful-self-lgbtqia2s-lives-today/

Two spirits sneaking in 2 whole characters 

It's kind of funny that those who are breaking labels become obsessed with labels themselves.

I wonder when someone will question why the L of Lesbians should be in the first spot

white bitches get that first ride
they get on and it's like they're no snide
let them white bitches go whole wild
cause when I go whole, they go wide

[Pissy F Benny]

is there an authority on who and what gets added to the lgbt(plus all the others) alliance? genuine question

[Nintex]

Sonic's life matters

Something I edited together at work during down time.

Thank you hero

[Uncle]

is there an authority on who and what gets added to the lgbt(plus all the others) alliance? genuine question

there isn't even an authority on who gets to make pride flags, most of them materialized out of nowhere in the mid 2010s when random tumblr users spawned every non binary identity

https://gender.wikia.org/wiki/Pride_Flags

sometimes they have competing visions so they throw their hands up and say both are fine




like most things it's based on what the average human can tolerate

cooler heads look at LGBTQIA2S+ and realize this is starting to look ridiculous to everyone outside the bubble, and they have to scale back to keep from being a laughingstock, so you usually just end up with the short, punchy LGBT

human tolerance for ridiculousness is also why plural systems with headmates and furries have been prevented from joining the party

[headwalk]

reddit is the best example of the dead internet theory in action. i swear 90% of it is just bots riffing off each other and it's just a massive machine learning petri dish.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

is there an authority on who and what gets added to the lgbt(plus all the others) alliance? genuine question

check the excel sheet

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-these-kids-just-put-a-murder-confession-in-a-song-a-thousand-miles-remix.435452/page-3

Era needs to stay outta black folk business more.

Especially when that business is an ongoing war between 2 rival Jacksonville gangs that has left dozens dead.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

LGBTQIA2S

WWG1WGA

LGBTQIA2SWWG1WGA

WWG1WGALGBTQIA2S

 

wow thanks dicks, all these keys were tsken and nobody claimed them

[Pissy F Benny]

is there an authority on who and what gets added to the lgbt(plus all the others) alliance? genuine question

there isn't even an authority on who gets to make pride flags, most of them materialized out of nowhere in the mid 2010s when random tumblr users spawned every non binary identity

https://gender.wikia.org/wiki/Pride_Flags

sometimes they have competing visions so they throw their hands up and say both are fine

(Image removed from quote.)


like most things it's based on what the average human can tolerate

cooler heads look at LGBTQIA2S+ and realize this is starting to look ridiculous to everyone outside the bubble, and they have to scale back to keep from being a laughingstock, so you usually just end up with the short, punchy LGBT

human tolerance for ridiculousness is also why plural systems with headmates and furries have been prevented from joining the party

and nonces, who have apparently tried sneaking into the party a few times

[Propagandhim]

Sonic's life matters


 

Something I edited together at work during down time.

Thank you hero

Welcome to the cookout, Sonic the Hedgehog

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-else-hoping-to-see-the-housing-retail-estate-market-do-a-hard-reset.435842/page-4

I have a yard, and I wouldn't want to give it up. Lots of people like having them, hence, why they want houses with them.

Would you rather have a yard, or let other people have affordable housing? Tear down all single family homes and replace them with rowhouses and apartments. Put in public park

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-else-hoping-to-see-the-housing-retail-estate-market-do-a-hard-reset.435842/page-4

I have a yard, and I wouldn't want to give it up. Lots of people like having them, hence, why they want houses with them.

Would you rather have a yard, or let other people have affordable housing? Tear down all single family homes and replace them with rowhouses and apartments. Put in public park

 

imagine being a person

[Potato]

Trump says some racist shit and rabble rouses on Twitter resulting in domestic terrorism - gets banned, Resetera rejoices "what took them so long", " these social media companies need to take responsibility".

Teenagers boast about killing each other on Instagram and YouTube - no ban, Resetera says "stay out of black folk business"

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Making my way downtown
Walking fast, faces pass and I'm homebound
Staring blankly ahead, just making my way
Making a way through the crowd

BLM

[NekoFever]

is there an authority on who and what gets added to the lgbt(plus all the others) alliance? genuine question

there isn't even an authority on who gets to make pride flags, most of them materialized out of nowhere in the mid 2010s when random tumblr users spawned every non binary identity

https://gender.wikia.org/wiki/Pride_Flags

sometimes they have competing visions so they throw their hands up and say both are fine

(Image removed from quote.)


like most things it's based on what the average human can tolerate

cooler heads look at LGBTQIA2S+ and realize this is starting to look ridiculous to everyone outside the bubble, and they have to scale back to keep from being a laughingstock, so you usually just end up with the short, punchy LGBT

human tolerance for ridiculousness is also why plural systems with headmates and furries have been prevented from joining the party

LGBTQIA2S isn’t even the final form.

The adult social care and services scrutiny panel considered other options including LGBTQ+ and LGBTQQIP2SAA.

[…]

LGBTQQIP2SAA stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, queer, intersex, pansexual, two-spirit (2S), androgynous and asexual.

[Nintex]

Making my way downtown
Walking fast, faces pass and I'm homebound
*bang* *bang* *click* *bang* 

Staring blankly ahead
*yaaargh* 
Just making my way
*boom* *bang* *honk honk* *thud*
Making a way through the crowd
*ratatatatatata* *ping*

And I need you
And I miss you
*wooosshshh BOOM* 
And now I wonder
If I could fall into the sky
*bang bang*

Do you think time would *bang*

*thud*

...




Also vanessa can't stop Nintex from creating a CALL OF DUTY MONTAGE with her song

[FUME5]

is there an authority on who and what gets added to the lgbt(plus all the others) alliance? genuine question

Some dickhead in a discord channel said that he had no problems with lgbtq people, only the lgbtq organization.

He was unable to provide the details of said organization.

[Don Rumata]

The LGBTQ term seems confusing.
First, i don't understand why you need "Q" mentioned, when the other letters already (broadly) cover all basis.
Then i don't understand why you need to separate "L" and "G", and the inclusion of "T" confuses gender identity with sexual preferences, complicates the whole thing.
It follows that everyone felt like they needed to have their variation, however small, included in.

But at least "LGBT" has mainstream recognition without sounding parodistic, so it's probably the best one to use.

[Uncle]

The LGBTQ term seems confusing.
First, i don't understand why you need "Q" mentioned, when the other letters already (broadly) cover all basis.
Then i don't understand why you need to separate "L" and "G", and the inclusion of "T" confuses gender identity with sexual preferences, complicates the whole thing.
It follows that everyone felt like they needed to have their variation, however small, included in.

But at least "LGBT" has mainstream recognition without sounding parodistic, so it's probably the best one to use.

Q is sometimes said to be questioning, but originally queer, which was meant to be an umbrella term for everything not already represented by LGBT

non-binary? asexual? ehh you're queer, that covers everyone else

what's happened is not exactly this but thematically similar



"there we have one perfect standard, LGBT, it covers everyone" "wait now we need a new standard!"

[Cauliflower Of Love]

never thought I'd see the day that the bore becomes bigoted against the queers.

yall acting like a bunch of european cigarettes.

[Uncle]

never thought I'd see the day that the bore becomes bigoted against the queers.

yall acting like a bunch of european cigarettes.

just people like me going on boring rants
 

I don't think it's bigoted to take specific issue with a couple details completely unrelated to rights or personhood or literal hatred

[remy]

post more hog

[Mupepe]

Nothing wrong with LGBTQ... and they can keep adding letters if it makes some feel included. It’s whatevs. I stopped caring about the individual letters a long time ago and just assume it’s a constantly evolving term for people who feel sidelined or targeted.

[Potato]

I just want to know what "two spirits" means?

[Tektonic]

I just want to know what "two spirits" means?

Two-Spirit is a modern, pan-Indian, umbrella term used by some Indigenous North Americans to describe Native people in their communities who fulfill a traditional third-gender ceremonial and social role in their cultures.

So more cultural appropriation?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

bunch of twats taking whats not theirs in their name.

[BikeJesus]

So what is the income level that people lose their any right to sympathy and right to their humanity?

In your, and the rest of racist reeeees case, it isn't income level, it's skin colour.

[HaughtyFrank]

It really impresses me how the simple statement of "Pretty fucked up how these kids are killing each other" gets twisted into anti-blackness

watching marathons of america's deadliest gangs and warping your brain so much that you decide this darn hip hop music should be taken off shelves, but woke.

how can you be so sheltered about the issues of gang violence and their systemic origins to miss vanessa's ultimate point about black vs white violence (which is still true btw no matter you frame it, black metal gets more a of a free pass than whatever flavour of the month ghetto bashing this is), so ignorant of history that you fail to realise this entire genre is built off black violence and black bodies (what do you think any of your golden age hip hop heroes were talking about), and the issues of profiting off gang violence go far beyond royalties for a random sample; and on top of all of this have the audacity to lecture others about perspective when they're only window into this whole issue is a youtube video they watched mere hours ago.

you can absolutely have a complex discussion about everything that has lead to this point, but not here, not on a forum where a large proportion of users show vehement disdain for hip hop and black culture, and especially not on a forum with blinkers on when it comes to larger and more complex issues around society and culture.

but pls continue to think of the children you are all helping so much thank you.

Feels Tipper Gore in here. I like how the argument is Carlton should have known local Jacksonville beef on a micro level, lol. Ultimately sampling isn’t a fucking endorsement, the assumption they killed the people involved is a leap…they aren’t the first rappers involved in gang beef to shout out their local enemies death. This just promotes not passing hip hop samples with the assumption that the sampled artist is responsible for the content of the song and needs to do due dilligence. She passed other tracks sampling it because it gets her cash, their only connection is some other artist thinks that melody line is dope enough to sample.

There’s a certain element on Era that’s feasting between this and the Naomi Osaka post, and fucking stop it. Imagine having issues with gangsta rap and sampling in 2021.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-these-kids-just-put-a-murder-confession-in-a-song-a-thousand-miles-remix.435452/post-66476375

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-is-amazing-and-the-warmest-place-on-the-internet-but-is-my-bubble.435719/

 

[SmokyDave]

It really impresses me how the simple statement of "Pretty fucked up how these kids are killing each other" gets twisted into anti-blackness

Listen, none of this stuff has any effect on anybody. It's all just the same as Bob Marley singing about shooting the sheriff. Those kids probably don't even have any opps, let alone smoke 'em. The whole thing is all made up by the media. None of this stuff has any tangible negative effect on anybody anywhere, it's all love.

Now, if we want to talk about the propogation of negative values in modern culture, we want to look at video game tits. That's where the real struggle for the soul of our youth lies. We need to stop them liking video game tits. Cover up the femoral arteries and maketh the man, as Winston Shakespeare said.

I can't even imagine trying to explain to a reset poster how I can enjoy a Pooh Shiesty album and still find the Jacksonville gang stuff troubling. Probably cause a short circuit.

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-is-amazing-and-the-warmest-place-on-the-internet-but-is-my-bubble.435719/

 

This is most of the first page:

User Banned (3 Days): Dismissive Drive-By in Sensitive Thread

wall of text man

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

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Fucking howling

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

fuck, help, i was reading the OP fully baked and I literally had the same thought ahahahaha

Fucking howling

Yeah, that got a laugh out of me as well.

I like this place. It's a bit strange with how things are handled, but it's pretty decent. Most people I've talked to here have been pretty nice.

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

wall of text man

lol

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

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The perfect first post doesn't exi....

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

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Literally laughed out loud.

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

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lmao

.....

God I hate posters like this. They made a vulnerable post, and this is how you reply? Instead of something like “sorry but do you mind if you just space out the text more so it’s easier to read?”

His mom right now:

[Nintex]

It really impresses me how the simple statement of "Pretty fucked up how these kids are killing each other" gets twisted into anti-blackness

Listen, none of this stuff has any effect on anybody. It's all just the same as Bob Marley singing about shooting the sheriff. Those kids probably don't even have any opps, let alone smoke 'em. The whole thing is all made up by the media. None of this stuff has any tangible negative effect on anybody anywhere, it's all love.

Now, if we want to talk about the propogation of negative values in modern culture, we want to look at video game tits. That's where the real struggle for the soul of our youth lies. We need to stop them liking video game tits. Cover up the femoral arteries and maketh the man, as Winston Shakespeare said.

I can't even imagine trying to explain to a reset poster how I can enjoy a Pooh Shiesty album and still find the Jacksonville gang stuff troubling. Probably cause a short circuit.

I hear the YMCA is a danger to democracy. Are we banning it before or after the tanks roll down Pennsylvania Avenue or are we going to ignore all the radicalization.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-is-amazing-and-the-warmest-place-on-the-internet-but-is-my-bubble.435719/

 

This is most of the first page:

User Banned (3 Days): Dismissive Drive-By in Sensitive Thread

wall of text man

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

wall of text man

Fucking howling

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

fuck, help, i was reading the OP fully baked and I literally had the same thought ahahahaha

Fucking howling

Yeah, that got a laugh out of me as well.

I like this place. It's a bit strange with how things are handled, but it's pretty decent. Most people I've talked to here have been pretty nice.

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

wall of text man

lol

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

wall of text man

The perfect first post doesn't exi....

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

wall of text man

Literally laughed out loud.

User Warned: Dismissive Drive-By

wall of text man

lmao

.....

God I hate posters like this. They made a vulnerable post, and this is how you reply? Instead of something like “sorry but do you mind if you just space out the text more so it’s easier to read?”

His mom right now:

royalan back y'all

[Transhuman]

A gaming internet forum is no place for lighthearted fun

[HaughtyFrank]

I suspect that most of the people who screamed at Royalan have either been banned or left so they figured they might as well sneak him back in.

[nobody of note]

.....

God I hate posters like this. They made a vulnerable post, and this is how you reply? Instead of something like “sorry but do you mind if you just space out the text more so it’s easier to read?”

His mom right now:

Checked his recent post history to see if his mom has wronged him and unrelated but lol:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/unemployment-peeps-is-there-no-way-to-access-your-money-before-you-get-your-card.435731/#post-66387212

Long story short I filed for unemployment like 2 months ago and I finally had my status changed to “Paid” for my claims after I got on the phone with them last week

I’m (impatiently) waiting for my card to come in. I believe it’s been 4 business days now?

I looked online and there’s an “emergency cash transfer” but.... it literally requires your EDD card information to even request it. How the hell am I supposed to have my EDD card information if I don’t have my damn card lol like what’s even the point of having this option unless I’m missing something?



There must be SOME way... right? otherwise I have some appointments I have to cancel tomorrow lol

I wish they automatically just did a direct deposit to your already existing cards ugh but I’m sure there’s valid reasons for doing it this way

Confirms that this is a pity party that he can't spend his unemployment on Botox:

Are these appointments the luxury cosmetic procedures you were talking about?

One of them yes

let me be vain in peace :-(

Thread is very killed with the greatest possible response:

Can you ask your mom to lend you some money so you dont have to cancel any appointments?

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/were-you-held-back-a-grade-or-put-into-a-special-needs-program.436235/

I was a special needs student growing up.

No wonder you signed up for The Bire.

[Rahxephon91]

I really don't like that guy.

[Pissy F Benny]

a hot new bire beef?

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/were-you-held-back-a-grade-or-put-into-a-special-needs-program.436235/

I was a special needs student growing up.

No wonder you signed up for The Bire.

The silence from Slayvern is deafening.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

user script edited

[Pissy F Benny]

slayven is neps fursona?

[wsippel]

It really impresses me how the simple statement of "Pretty fucked up how these kids are killing each other" gets twisted into anti-blackness

Listen, none of this stuff has any effect on anybody. It's all just the same as Bob Marley singing about shooting the sheriff. Those kids probably don't even have any opps, let alone smoke 'em. The whole thing is all made up by the media. None of this stuff has any tangible negative effect on anybody anywhere, it's all love.

Now, if we want to talk about the propogation of negative values in modern culture, we want to look at video game tits. That's where the real struggle for the soul of our youth lies. We need to stop them liking video game tits. Cover up the femoral arteries and maketh the man, as Winston Shakespeare said.

I can't even imagine trying to explain to a reset poster how I can enjoy a Pooh Shiesty album and still find the Jacksonville gang stuff troubling. Probably cause a short circuit.

Speaking of video game tits, let's give ERA an aneurysm:



That's what the world's largest video game market looks like. You got your work cut out for you, ERA. I don't think angry tweets or Waypoint editorials will impress those guys though...

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Benji has been letting his mod admiral duties slip. The Hunter has been duration pending for almost a month.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-seen-as-bigger-threat-to-democracy-than-russia-or-china-global-poll-finds-income-inequality-rank-1-poll-of-53-countries-with-50-000-respondent.420752/page-6#post-64443536

[Tektonic]

don't forget Neogaf.

The Atari 7800 is a highly underrated system that I strongly recommend, especially now that you can get one for a reasonable price in most of the countries it was available in, and it's awesome software library being a mixture of 80's arcade goodness, along with game design commonly found on computers. Overall it's a great representation of the gaming industry of the time.

Some history, the Atari 7800 was originally supposed to release proper in 1984, and was test launched earlier that year in California and Texas, Texas being invite only. But there was a problem during the sale of Atari assets to the new Atari Corporation, primarily GCC the creator of the 7800, was demanding royalties holding things up. Even though Atari engineers did work with them on the hardware GCC basically had ownership and so held all the cards. Eventually a deal was made and a lot of these assets were moved over to Atari Corp. The 7800 itself was a separate deal from all the other Atari assets acquired by Atari Corp, and CEO Jack T had to pay for the console separately from the 2600 and the 5200. Despite the myths of Jack not wanting to have anything to do with game consoles, he decided to go ahead and pay what was owed, and even payed GCC extra money to finish developing the contracted software they were originally supposed to release for the 7800 in 1984l, even going so far as to having banners for the 7800 at the 1985 CES along with the 2600 and 5200 on physical display, both of which Atari Corp decided to manufacture new cartridges for, and release new games that were not previously available pre-asset sale, including the popular Lucas Arts classic, Rescue on Fractulus for the 5200.

Everybody knows that Nintendo had some unpopular policies that repelled western developers and even in some cases, Japanese developers from releasing software on their console, the most infamous of which was the console lock-out, a policy that made it so that you could not release NES software on a competitors game machine for 2-3 years, and while a rumor it is said that in some specific cases, a deal was made so that for some software couldn't EVER release on other systems. While many people don't know this, most people that are likely to post on a gaming forum are likely privy to this information.

What you likely didn't know however, was how early this policy was in place. Believe it or not it was in place not only before the NES actually released in the US proper in 1986, but even before it was market tested in 1985. Michael Katz, hired to be in charge of Atari's games and consoles division with the title Executive Vice President, was supposed to gather software titles for the 7800 as it was being readied for launch. It turned out that a lot of western developers were not interested in developing games for the 7800 because it, along with every other competing manufacturer during that time were underspecced. In 1985, the Atari Corp's own Atari ST, and the Commodore Amiga were out among other sophisticated 16-bit and later 32-bit computers. This honestly was not too surprising overall, but what was a surprise though is that when Katz had tried to broker deals with Japanese software developers most of them were locked up or required high payouts. Atari Corp was a new company and wouldn't have the cash to invest in payouts until late 1986 at the earliest, and had to spend a large amount of money repairing relationships with retailers, marketing the 7800 and the ST computer, while also investing in software for both.

In the end, Katz had to resort to creating a 'short team' and a 'long-team' at Atari, the Long-team would have longer development cycles for games, while the short-team would have a shorter dev cycle, or license ip to bring to the 7800 from various software developers. For third-party, because western developers lacked interest in developing for weak hardware, and Nintendo had gobbled up nearly all the relevant Japanese developers, they could only broker deals with a handful of computer software houses that didn't mind developing software on console hardware. The strategy was to try and create a structure that would allow for games to be released as close together as possible to prevent game droughts, though in the end this would only work half the time.

Atari, as well as competitor Sega with their Mark III (Master System) console would have problems getting into retail stores also due to Nintendo, which had brokered contracts with several of them to take up most of the isles, or in certain cases be the only system sold. This is why many people had no clue either of these two consoles existed, if they did they were either reading the newspaper columns in the early years or they were keeping tabs on the industry through niche sources or magazines. While Atari would greatly improve their retail footprint, including buying out a retail company and creating branded stores (which would backfire and lose them tons of money on the computer end) they could never match Nintendo's much larger retail footprint, an advantage they had from the start and only grew with time.

One thing to remember is Nintendo had already dominated Japan and had come to the US already having a manufacturing network, which it added on to. This allowed Nintendo to produce a astronomical amount of consoles in comparison to Atari or Sega. The retailer contracts they brokered allowed them to stuff software and hardware on retailer shelves and this was done before launch. It didn't help they had more cash than either for advertising too.

In order to try and explain why Nintendo's stock volume and early high sales were such a shock to analysts in the industry, the industry had a crash that was already in recovery despite common myth. Coleco, the company behind the popular Colecovision console, had survived the crash and saw a slight uptick in Colecovision sales, however the profits were not considered significant, so when Coleco who had tried and failed to salvage their Adam computer, which bombed astronomically in the marketplace, lost an astronomical amount of money due to said Adam computer, but saw a massive surge in profits in the toy industry, they decided that they would drop out of electronics entirely missing the chance of having the gaming industry to itself. Despite this several companies were considering jumping in, one of which had released a machine that costed nearly $3000 thinking a computer laserdisc machine would be amazing enough to sell at that price. Software companies were slowly trickling back to the 2600 as the year went on. Later that year Atari Corp announced they had sold 1 million consoles in 1985, which led to Atari Corp to ponder whether they should refresh the aging 2600 platform, which they would eventually do..

Later industry analysts, including Atari's own research team, estimated that Atari could manufacture a set amount of 7800's and 2600 Jr's by the end of 1986. This would follow with sales between 1-2 million units by the end of 1987 and 3-5 million by the end of 1988, with the competition selling along these same estimates. By 1988 the industry was expected to see a rebound in profits, the only part the analysts got right.

Of course, things didn't work out that way, Nintendo already had a major manufacturing and distribution network from Japan, which they added on to after deciding to release their system in the USA and onward with plenty of cash to do so. Sega was the only competitor that sold within the framework that the analysts expected, but Nintendo's network and retail footprint had completely forced Atari to rethink about going for the number one title. Atari sold out every single console that they were able to manufacture in 1986, the problem was the amount of hardware that Atari sold in 1986, was only a bit over 100,000, plus what was purchased during the 1984 testing phase gave them a total estimated 130,000 to 140,000 units sold, while Sega sold 125,000 with a surplus on shelves. Meanwhile, Nintendo had sold over 800,000 units and the holiday season was only half way finished, they would ship over 1 million to retailers by the end of 1986 and sell through that shortly by January,

Reevaluating, Atari Corp decided that chasing from behind like what Sega and partner Tonka were considering was likely an expensive and pointless endeavor. Atari had already concluded that between their retailer disadvantages and their limited capability to restock software and hardware, that it was not possible to actually win the race against Nintendo, and instead decided to switch to a profit model. The 7800 was already cheaper than the competition and made money per sale, so they decided to go for a tiered system. Atari had positioned the 2600 jr. as an entry level system from the start and decided to go all in on that idea. Now, they needed a third-tier. The new refreshes (XE and XL) of the popular Atari 400 and 800 computers weren't doing so hot, so it was decided to take the excess parts and repackage the base 65XE computer into a console shell, creating the XE Game system. This was positioned as the expensive top tier console because of its unique and large computer library containing software not commonly seen on home consoles, and the ability to transform the console into a XE computer itself. Of course, the 7800 was in reality graphically stronger than the XE game system, but the XE held up on its own. It was a successful console commercially but I'll talk about that one in a different thread as there's a lot of details to go over.

At this point Atari had finalized their game plan, Entry-tier pricing: 2600 Jr, Mid-tier pricing: 7800, High-tier pricing: XE game system. The idea was to make the best games they can, throw jabs at the competition to grab as many dissenters as possible, while making the most of their existing software partnerships and retail presence with the goal of selling software and hardware at a profit all the way until all 3 products were eventually discontinued, and it worked. Not only was the 2600 jr still a big seller, selling more than the 7800 and Sega's machine in the US, but the XE game system sold out in stores, every unit that Atari could produce in time for the 1987 holiday season was sold, and it would continue to sell well in 1988, although it would be more popular in Europe, while the 7800 would have been more popular in the US comparatively.

Moving on to the games now.

The result of Atari's partnerships and advanced hardware capabilities created a library that contained a mixture of computer games, arcade games, and unique titles, making the Atari 7800 an underrated and unique console. While it was more powerful than the competition, the mindshare and retail domination of the NES had made tile-based scrolling action games, platformers being the most common, the titles that appealed to the general public. Most consumers that brought the NES were parents of children or were coming off of the 2600 and not so much the Colecovision, Intellivision, or home computers. So the general public were wowed by games that followed the tile-scrolling framework, and there were many many many games released with that framework on the NES.

In terms of hardware capabilities in general,

Atari 7800>Sega Master System>Nintendo Entertainment System>Atari XE Game System

In terms of tile-based scrolling games specifically,

Sega Master System>Nintendo Entertainment System>Atari 7800>Atari XE Game System

For tile-based scrolling games, the 7800 wasn't specifically build for them and the Atari 8-bit computer line, which the XE Game System was based on, did. However, due to raw power the 7800 can surpass the XE through software on tile-based scrolling games, and this also applies for the first couple of 'generations' of the NES, however with the NES's enhancements in later games, it would gain a major advantage for this specific style of software.

       


The 7800 had an amazing mixture of software from the 3 core industries of gaming, Console-Arcade-Computers. You got a taste of each without a heavy focus on just one style. Atari also released a bunch of cool originals, here are some of the games I would recommend as the library is filled with gems.

In no specific order

Arcade

Xenophobe
Xevious
Robotron 2084
Food Fight
Ms.Pacman
Pole Position II
Mario Bros.
KungFu Master
Joust
Galaga
Ikari Warriors
Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong Jr.
Commando
Dig Dug
Centipede
Rampage
Asteroids
Crossbow
Hat Trick
Mat Mania Challenge

Computer

F-18 Hornet (polygons!)
Dark Chamber
Tower Toppler/Nebulus
Impossible Mission
Ace of Aces
Choplifter
Fight Night
Super Huey UH-IX
Tomcat: The F-14 Fighter


Original

Ninja Golf
Alien Brigade
Ballblazer
Desert Falcon
Scrapyard Dog
Midnight Mutants
Fatal Run
Meltdown
Motor Psycho
Planet Smashers

Sport

One-on-One basketball
Mean 18 Ultimate Golf
Basket Brawl
Pete Rose Baseball
Realsports Baseball
Summer Games
Super Skateboarding
Touchdown Football
Winter Games

and with over 100 prototypes and homebrews that you should also consider. The homebrew scene is very active and new games come out pretty much every year.

Assuming you bothered to read the wall of text at the start of the thread, the 7800 is a great system to collect for with fun games, just a victim of unfortunate circumstance and unforeseen market conditions. If Nintendo hadn't already had a console out in japan giving it such a major advantage when they came to the US, or if Sega was the only competitor maybe things would have been different, but you still got long-term support, you still got great software, you still had Atari selling software and hardware at a profit, so distant from the NES or not it did it's job and helped revive the brand along with the XE system and the ST, depending on your country. Strangely, the ST line would end up helping destroy the brand as the ST line evolved years later ironically.

To bad that ST console never came out, but technology was advancing so fast they went from that to the Panther then rapidly to the Jaguar in a 3 year period so can't really blame them, but having easy access to all those games the ST and Amiga shared and ST exclusives would have been awesome. Commodore did release a console though, in fact they released two, and they were not very well executed...

But back to Atari, I recommend people take a look at the 7800 and recommend buying one to play its stellar lineup of games, especially since they're cheap and you no longer have to worry about waiting in game droughts for releases like an N64, unlike back in the day. :messenger_grinning::messenger_grinning::messenger_grinning:

The time it takes to read the OP's wall of text is longer than the time it takes to play and get bored with the entire 7800 library.

[Straight Edge]

At least it's a screed about video games and not a problematic tweet.

[benjipwns]

User Banned (1 Week): Downplaying the Effects of Climate Change

The earth has been way hotter than it is right now
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been


Also compared to the past 500 million years CO2 has been very low in recent times. Us focusing on only the change in the past 200 years is like us focusing on the last few seconds of the past year. Is CO2 increasing, yes, is temperature increasing, yes. Has this happened in the past, yes. We will adapt as a species as we always do and we will be better off spending time and effort on adapting to these changes than trying to stop them. CO2 is one of a thousand different variables.

[Transhuman]

I wonder what the report message(s) said.

[Potato]

I wonder what the report message(s) said.

I imagine it went something like this:

 


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[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/teaser-trailer-for-neill-blomkamps-new-film-demonic.435878/#post-66401885

User Banned (2 Weeks): Making Fun of Ethnic Names

Lol this is a new low even for reee

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/please-stop-referring-to-games-as-built-from-the-ground-up.436586/

Please:

- not even a house is built from the ground up. A foundation with utility and energy conduits is laid first, much of it below ground. Getting this part right is arguably more crucial a feature than proclaiming that building began on the ground and only built upward.

- it is really not how software and systems are constructed anyways. You may start with a core, or with a sub-system, or engine, or pie-in-the-sky idea, but not on the ground. Especially in spacefaring games that allow multi-dimensional orientations (and in space itself, which, hello, has no ground)

- a finished below-ground basement often becomes the gaming room in a home - why exclude gaming rooms and money-saving apartment dwellers from this?

- a house of cards is built from the ground up, too. So is a tower of lies. So are weeds. Why even leave games and game makers open to these comparisons?

- It's been overused by multiple gaming platform makers, all at the same time, and has been worn out, like wearing out a song on the radio.

- We got people on the forum using the phrase now, unironically so, and it's lost all meaning in discourse here. It has not won a single "which platform is best" argument, either

So, please. This rhetoric is tired, it doesn't stand up to analogies, and it can lead to misunderstandings. Find another way to say "exclusively and specifically for", and save the world. Thank you.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/please-stop-referring-to-games-as-built-from-the-ground-up.436586/

Please:

- not even a house is built from the ground up. A foundation with utility and energy conduits is laid first, much of it below ground. Getting this part right is arguably more crucial a feature than proclaiming that building began on the ground and only built upward.

This is the most "weeeellll akkkshuuuallllyyy" comment I've seen in a long, long time. What a fucking dickhead.